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SAH-27A Peregrine Next Generation Attack Helicopter Released

Soviet Bloc
08-05-2005, 00:24
SAH-27A "Peregrine" Next Generation Attack Helicopter

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The SAH-27A Peregrine has a sole purpose on the battlefield... To descend upon its prey like a famished hawk on a scurrying rabbit, at speed unmatched, and tearing the animal to shreds before its prey has even realized what has occured. The scene is the same, the powerful, graceful SAH-27A descending upon and ultimately wiping the poor, pathetic, scurrying rabbit of an opponent from the face of this earth and to whatever realm they believe exists after death. That is their sole piece of solace in an encounter with this bird of prey, for they will not be given mercy, compassion, or a quick demise, instead they shall be given a time of pure suffering and pain, of which they will contemplate and brood on why the hell they ever decided to take arms against the Armed Republic.

Armed with a ferocious twin-barreled 30mm SQB-32MX automatic cannon, and the ability to carry ATGMs, air-to-air missiles, electronics packages, guided bombs, and additional fuel tanks, the SAH-27A provides a new dimension to the helicopter doctrine, the ability to dominate both air and ground targets with a ferocity unmatched by dozens of other attack helicopters. The SAH-27A, within itself, has the confined power of a flight of attack helicopters, its immeasurable power waiting to be unleashed upon an enemy of the Armed Republic, an enemy with a sudden urge to experience death, first-hand, and that lacks the determination or knowledge to survive. Because, against the SAH-27A, there will be no survivors, a one-sided slaughter where the SAH-27A will prevail, a victor amid the horrors of war, death, and destruction, standing proud, above its brethren, for the SAH-27A is the next generation.


Propulsion
The SAH-27A utilizes twin fully enshrouded, fully armor protected SB-TFM/HT-TP2 turbines each producing some 3,450 horsepower, capable of propelling the helicopter to the absolute maximum for helicopter design, roughly two hundred and fifty miles per hour (250 MPH). However, the notable features of the propulsion system for the SAH-27A does not end there, included is the advanced No Trail Rotor - Vector Assist [NTRVA] counter-torque system. Instead of using a conventional tail rotor, or in the case of other no tail rotor systems, twin counter-rotating rotors, instead uses a vent and duct system to utilize exhaust and vectored thrust to counteract the torque in a safer, more efficient way, reducing the mechanical complexity of a rear rotor, and reducing the sheer complexity of having twin counter-rotating rotors.

Aside from that, the SAH-27 also utilizes the Advanced Helicopter Vectored Thrust System [AHVTS], a comprehensive horizontal and vertical plane movement assist system. To make the helicopter even more manueverable, the SAH-27A sports a second series of exhaust ports that are connected to an engine thrust vectoring system, giving the SAH-27 the ability redirect its engine-produced thrust behind it, at angles, to the sides, or even forward to a small degree. This allows for the unparalleled manuevering properties of the SAH-27A and gives the helicopter an ability no other can match: side-ways movement. To aid in sideways movement, there is one massive vent system on each side. Engine thrust is redirected through these vents (on either side) to provide thrust in either of the two directions. Secondary systems just inside of each vent allow it to also move at sideways angles, such as moving sideways and down, or sideways and up. The SAH-27A can move at nearly ninety miles per hour sideways and even faster moving at an angle. All of these features combine to make it supremely maneuverable.

An armored drop down shutter prevents shrapnel or debris from entering the engine through the side vents.

Using the sideways movement noted above and the SAH-27As primary avionics computer, the SAH-27A can execute maneuvers never once possible for a helicopter. Using the side vents and their secondary up/down thrust vectoring system, the SAH-27A can execute barrel rolls by diverting 75% thrust to one side, then diverting the remaining thrust to the other side while simultaneously edging the secondary up/down thrust vectoring system to a down position (vectoring the thrust downwards). This will accelerate the one side, while the other side shoots upwards. The computer will allow this to happen and automatically correct itself. The maneuver usually happens too fast for any serious side effect to occur to the rotors (since the computer automatically slows them down, alters their pitch and angle of attack during the maneuver).


Design

The SAH-27A was designed to survive and kill, pure and simple. Everything about her is survival... Specific survivability features include titanium armor plated cockpit, redundant flight control system separated by fuel tanks, manual reversion mode for flight controls, foam filled fuel tanks, ballistic foam void fillers, and a redundant primary structure providing “get home” capability after being hit. The reason the engines are located above the fuselage [and not hanging out the side] is to reduce the chance of a hit on either engine.

All of the aircraft's glass are bulletproof and the cockpit itself is surrounded by a heavy tub of titanium with a reinforcing kevlar layer and a layer of carbon whiskers. Titanium armor protects both the pilot/WSO team and critical areas of the flight control system. Fire retardant foam protects the fuel cells which are also self sealing in the event of puncture.

The redundant primary structural sections allow the aircraft to enjoy better survivability during close air support. Seperation of all of the crucial battle and flight systems. The wheels poke out of the aircraft which lets the helicopter perform emergency landings without significant damage to the aircraft [wheels automatically deploy a small amount when damage control systems activate, also automatically deploy in rapid descents (unless disengaged by pilot)]. Dual engines are mounted above the aircraft's fuselage with enough space in between that in the event of a fire on one engine it doesn't spread to the other (an emergency freon extinguisher system is also present to prevent that from happening); if one is destroyed, the other can propel the craft to safety. This redundancy allows the pilot to control a battle damaged SAH-27, even after losing all hydraulic power. Furthermore, redundant primary structural and control surfaces enhance survivability.


Stealth

The SAH-27A was built with stealth in mind. Its shape allows for the scattering of most radar signals away from any receiver in any direction. It was also coated with radar absorbing materials. Its weapons are held internally to minimize RCS (at least for some missions) and its main cannon is detachable as it presents a considerable cross-section when present. If a wing pylon is added, it is coated in radar absorbant material and produced from a carbon fibre composite, transparent to radar. All external obstructions are coated in RAM and produced from carbon fibre composite.

In the area of infrared stealth, the SAH-27A is king. Since the primary threat to helicopters is shoulder-launched, short-range infrared-guided missiles, the SAH-27A contains numerous heat-signature reducing systems. All along the tail assembly are heat dissipators, which take the engine's heat and dissipates it over a wide area, meaning, its a larger but much, much weaker heat signal to lock on to. The rotor assembly is air cooled, of course, and produces little heat. The vectored thrust systems are near infrared signature-less due to a series of dissipators and cooling systems on the helicopter's inside. Meaning the exhaust fired out the thrust vectoring ports and the side vents is hardly above the air temperature around it (especially at lower altitudes), meaning there's a much less chance of the missile getting a lock-on.

Armament
The SAH-27A was designed, as a base helicopter, to be fairly stealthy while providing ample weapons ability. However, the stealthy version lacked the sincere punch of a dedicated attack helicopter so the helicopter was modified to accept additional weapons pylons, making it a truly lethal force on the battlefield.
Within the SAH-27A, there are two dedicated air-to-air missile bays capable of each housing two medium/small air to air missiles [equivalent to an FIM-92 Stinger] in a side-by-side magazine format (when one is fired it is quickly dispensed and the second missile slides into the first's position. Aside from the two dedicated air-to-air bays, there are two other internal bays, each can hold three medium or large sized munitions [equivalent to a Hellfire or other ATGM]. When an ATGM is selected to fire from one of the ATGM bays and the button is depressed, pneumatic doors which cover the bays are instantly recessed into the helicopter's body [unless already opened] and a sharp blast of compressed air, assisted by a mechanical arm, propels the missile from the bay [after locks have been disengaged] fast enough to where the missile clears the helicopter and out to a distance of roughly thirty yards where the missile's rocket motor will engage, propelling it to its target.

Besides the internal hardpoints, the SAH-27A maintains three external hardpoints for the additions of bombs, rocket pods, additional cannonry, electronics, camera/recon devices, or external fuel tanks. However, two of the hardpoints [on the sides] are required when adding the stub wings, which do carry gear which can allow for the addition of electronics, additional fuel tanks, etc.
When modified for a gunship or anti-tank role, the SAH-27A can be outfitted with two stub wings, each providing two pylons and a wingtip point to carry as manny as eighteen additional missiles [two air-to-air (wingtip), sixteen ATGM (in four-missile pods on each pylon)].

One interesting note of this aircraft is its mini-turret, the AS/ET-15A, which houses three sensors: electro-optical, thermal, and a laser system. The turret can rotate a full 360 degrees and track/target effectively anything. The system is wired directly into the weapons service officer, who translates all targetting data into readable data to be consumed by the pilot. The WSO can operate the turret, rotating it and locating targets using the optical sensor or thermal sensor for low light conditions. He can then designate that target with a laser, in order to guide in other aircraft, attack helicopters, or to guide his SAH-27A's own launched laser guided munition. An example would be that the aircraft enters the area of conflict, the WSO finds an enemy tank, lights it up with the laser. He then launches a laser guided munition as they pass nearby, he guides it to its target as they pass while the pilot engages a seperate target. The AS/ET-15A also contains its own SIRR-12, which is a targetting system, meaning the turret can operate alone (it rotates, finds enemy target with its thermal imager, lights it up with laser, tracks it while pilot/WSO fires off munitions).

The SAH-27A also utilizes the SQB-32MX Twin-Barreled 30mm Automatic Cannon, a refined killing machine that's served on four of the ARSB's helicopters, and can be directly tied to operate with the AS/ET-15A such as a ground suppression tool, automatically targetting and wiping out enemy air defense vehicles while the pilot/WSO team concentrate on enemy tanks or other units.

SQB-32MX Twin-Barreled 30mm Automatic Cannon

Caliber: 30mm
Weight: 350 lb. (Estimated)
Length: 6 ft. (Barrel) 9.2 feet (Full unit/firing apparatus, excluding housing)
Rate of Fire: 3,200 RPM
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps [HE]; 1450 fps [AP]
Maximum Range: ~2 mi. (practical)(4000 meters; 4km)
Shell Weight: 3.3 lb [AP]; 4.8 lb [HE]



Modularity

Due to the types of roles it must fill, this aircraft was meant to be modular. Meaning anything can be replaced or taken off to mission-specific guidelines. Examples are for reconaissance, the cannon can be removed as well as pylons, making it much stealthier. For anti-armor roles, cannon added as well as heavy pylons for even more munitions. And for air-to-air roles, cannon removed (or added) as well as the medium-duty pylons. Systems can be removed and replaced easily.

Modularity also helps in its maintenance. The SAH-27A was designed to not be a pain in the ass to field mechanics in the battlefield and it utilizes take-out/drop-in maintenance techniques, the affected equipment can be basically pulled out and replaced with minimal effort. Meaning, the mechanics can pull out ruined equipment, drop in new replacements, and then, while the helicopter is gone, fix the old one and when it comes back in, drop it back in and repair the other.

Systems

3ADS (ARQ-690)- Integral Fire Control System- This system is a series of infrared, IRST, millimetric wave radars, and flat panel directive wave radar systems designed to give the commander an all-around view of the tank and anything within its viewing range. The system utilizes these modes of detection located in many different 'banks' of sensors which are usually armor protected. The system is connected to a threat identification computer as well as a fire control computer (which is then linked to the AEISCN or Soviet Bloc DefenseNet) giving the crew the ability to fire on targets while watching targets on the sides and rear (which can be miles away but being detected using another unit's sensors) and even fire on those targets using ATGMs or other sutiable weaponry.

HTS-2S: This suite includes all the information gathering equipment that one could possibly wish for, including radar, millimeter wave, infrared, optics, a laser rangefinder and nightvision. All those sensors are extremely resistant to jamming and countermeasures due to the short wavelength used, which bypasses all but the most advanced jamming devices with brute force. One of our unique features is the ability to track and determine the direction of incoming weapons fire by analyzing the disruption of the air particles then extrapolating the origin of the incoming bullets/missiles/etc. With a range of 40-44 km, depending on conditions, and the ability to track over 400 objects at the same time. (Housed in fuselage, foreign developed)

CMSQ-74A: Includes radar jammers, radar warning receivers, laser warning receivers, millimeter wave warning receivers, infrared countermeasures, and chaffs dispensers. These features will significantly increase the survivability of the helicopter by disrupting enemy communications, decreasing the detectability of the helicopter, and alerting the crew of incoming dangers.

ARENA Mk. III- The ARENA Mk. III is a revolutionary new system, using a mini-turreted microwave emitter as its active missile defense system. The emitter uses microwaves to fry an incoming missile's electronics at ranges of several hundred meters, rendering the missile useless and likely either causing it to crash or detonate prematurely.

JOA-AMRQ/R72- This system is the SAH-27As advanced medium range radar. (Housed in fuselage)
JOA-MMRQ/M8- Millimetric Radar (housed in the JOA-TTJP-FF-1 Forward facing self-sustainable system housing)
SB-ALDRS-58D - Joint LIDAR/LADAR system with emitters, receivers, and central processing unit. (Housed in fuselage with emitters in housings)
JOA-PRQ/P4- Passive Radar (Housed in fuselage)
JOA-IIQ/FR9- Infrared (housed in the JOA-TTJP-FF-1 Forward facing self-sustainable system housing)
JOA-STQ/S81- Infrared Search and Track system (housed in the JOA-TTJP-FF-1 Forward facing self-sustainable system housing)

AEISCN-09: Shares target information with other friendly units in the field along with other information, also allows friendly units in large numbers to make coordinated attacks through out the battlefield. Also allows friendly units to instantly reorganize into new squadrons and divisions for new assaults and also relays all information back to command. This system also checks in every thirty seconds (or shorter/longer; can be adjusted) with GPS and military satellites to update terrain and enemy movements. Also tracks and labels targets and sends their coordinates and readings through satellites and ground antennae to control centers, ground forces, air forces, and naval forces. AEICSN-02 also connected to the world-wide Soviet Bloc Offensive/Defensive Military Operations Net. (Housed in fuselage)

JOA-ACDAMS-02: Anti-missile and countermeasure deployment system. Automatically launches countermeasures and scrambles enemy radar as well as providing the pilot with paths that provide a chance to out-maneauver the missile (not likely). If feature is engaged, when a certain missile threat level is detected (set in by pilot or CO) the helicopter can act on its own to effectively out-maneuver the missile through maneuvers a normal human could not even think of. Downside of this feature: May cause blackout of pilot due to excessive G-forces, if the pilot is found to be unconscious, the helicopter will act on its own until the pilot regains consciousness by heading for a friendly area and by engaging threatening targets.(Housed in fuselage)

AHUD-8CA: Advanced Heads-Up Display, displays all information about enemy unit including possible routes. Provides direct fire scenarios and target areas. Can be configured to cover entire window-area of cockpit. This system also utilizes the visor on the pilot/WSO's helmet. Using this, it can display all information on the pilot and WSO's helmet visors. The system also tracks the WSO's retina or head movements to move the mounted gun. To fire cannon, buttons are located on the pilot's collective and the WSO's weapon joysticks.

JOA-AFCS/OG- Advanced Flight Control Systems, Optical Guided- Advanced system that uses high-intensity fiber optics for flight controls, allowing quicker, more effecient maneuvering and decreasing the weight by removing heavy copper and gold wiring. Is also quadruple redundant. It is also immune to electromagnetic pulses (Housed in fuselage)

JOA-AEAS- Advanced Exhaust Assist System

FLIR, Laser Designator (housed on under-body hardpoints)

ACST-30 uses the computer to utilize information from the aircraft's radar and other sensors to track an aircraft in front and below the SAH-27A in a small cone that radiates outwards. This allows the cannon to actively target and engage targets automatically with approval of the WSO. This means that the SAH-27A only has to point its nose in a general direction while its cannon moves and locks onto the aircraft then opens fire either on its own or by the pilot's control. the firing solution computer for the ACST-30 is a small version of the ALMRS/TTAC-03Mk II.

ADVSCAD- Advanced Deep Visual Scan Canopy Awareness Display System- This system is a series of projectors located through-out the cockpit that project data onto the canopy in a seemingly ‘deep’ environment. Using known faults in the human eye, the system projects data that seems out in the air surrounding the canopy, when in reality it is on the canopy glass. This system shows targeting information, enemy whereabouts, heading information, aircraft information, battle information, command information, radar information, and others. It is fully configurable and can be modified to suit pilot needs or requests. [USED IN PLACE OF DNI TECHNOLOGY IF REQUESTED]

AFFC/SIRR-12: This is the SAH-27As active electronic camoflauge system. A series of five passive radar receivers detect an incoming radar pulse, it is quickly analyzed and a pulse of similar nature with the same frequency, wavelength etc. is deployed, cancelling the radar waves out (active wave cancellation). This effectively means the aircraft can become invisible to most if not all types of radar at any range (only limited by the aircraft's radar's range). (SEE COUNTERMEASURE SECTION)


Crew and Helicopter Survivability

JOA-AHES/RES- Advanced Helicopter Ejection Seat/ Rotor Ejection System- In the event of a critical hit on the helicopter, the pilots can activate their ejection seats, which will signal the turbine to shut down, the rotor shaft to lock up at a certain point and eject the rotors down and away from the helicopter, leaving a clear path of exit for the ejection seats. After the rotors are ejected, the cockpits are blown off by explosive charges and the ejection seats are fired. The entire process takes roughly 3 seconds.

JOA-AAHCS- Advanced Autonomous Helicopter Control System- In the event the pilot and WSO are killed or incapacitated, this feauture can be activated manually or automatically (in event of pilot and WSO death) to automatically pilot the helicopter. Granted, this 'robotic' helicopter is not quite as efficient or deadly as a human-piloted one, but if it weren't for this system the helicopter would be lying in pieces on the ground, so, in the end, this 'robotic' helicopter could prove useful. When this feuture is activated, the helicopter will continue on entered waypoints, track and engage enemy targets, and destroy objectives along a pre-entered waypoint path. If crews of multiple helicopters are killed but the helicopters are still in operating condition, this system automatically communicates with the other helicopters, trade target information, and set up attack plans. If a commanding officer does not want these pilot-less helicopters to engage targets on their own, they can be configured to return to the home airfield, preventing large amounts of time and money being spent on purchasing new helicopters, searching for crew members, cleaning up the pieces, and defending the crash site. Also, when configured, the helicopter with this feature can be operated by a crew that is at the home base, becoming an Unmanned Aerial Combat Vehicle of sorts, or controlled by other WSO's.

Stub wings, rear boom, rotor, and most of the other parts of the vehicle which are external and 'obstructive' are coated in radar absorbant materials and made of radar-transparent carbon fibre in order to reduce radar cross-section. Chaff, flares, radar warning receivers, IFF, infrared reduction gear, and a number of other survivability systems are utilized, including a foam filled, self-sealing fuel tank to prevent leakage and ignition [coupled with a freon fire extinguishing system] with enhanced carbon composite armour. The fuel system is outfitted to deny any explosions, with an extensive valve network designed to stem the flow of fuel in the event an explosion or fire is imminent. The tail section is armoured and strengthened to increase survivability to the anti-torque vent system.

Other surviability measures include:

Shielding of vital components by less important ones with armour composite plates in between and on outer shell;
Main rotor made of extensive composites and reinforced to ensure survival in any event;
Back-up emergency hydrualics systems stored deep within the SAH-27A to allow it to still function properly if main hydraulics fails;
Armored pilot's cockpit is fitted with ceramic armoured fuselage, bullet-proof windshields and armoured partition between crew members;
Dampening zone in front of pilot that can crush inwards in event of a controlled crash and can increase survivability in an unplanned crash;
Enhanced frame design also improves survivability.


Countermeasures

The SAH-27A maintains a single electronic countermeasures system (the AFFC/SIRR-12) which is an active radar cancellation system and utilizes a small radar dome underneath the aircraft to locate the incoming radar pulses of a radar-guided missile, it then fires its own radar pulses at a set frequency and size (determined from the missile's radar pulses). This confuses the enemy radar (by canceling out its own waves) and usually causes it to believe that it has reached its target, it then explodes... This system is networked with five panels of radar emitters facing forward, to the right, left, rear, and to the ground and can project the cancellation waves against most radar-emitting sources (it even works on ground radar). It works by canceling out the radar wave, meaning the station that sent the wave will never notice a ‘black spot’ or any type of return as the wave is cancelled out. The small ‘pod’ with the system in it is the active anti-missile portion of the system. The panels are the anti-ground radar portion. The anti-missile portion also doubles as to cancel aircraft radar as well.

The system's range is limited as well as the power of the signal. Some ground stations are far too powerful to cancel out. However, the system works beautifully for close range air defense (as well as against missiles and other aircraft), since the radars used are not as powerful and with smaller range. The system also works at very long ranges, basically cancelling out the incoming signal (but it leaves a 'black spot' which could be noticed).

This system also has a new feature, ARCMD (Active Radar Confusion and Mis-Designation). This allows the system to actually selectively alter the incoming radar wave and sending back an altered wave depicting a large object or many objects, confusing any pilot while overloading a radar-guided missile's computer. It can also 'project' as being somewhere else.

The secondary portion of this countermeasures suite is its short computer jamming system which can jam radars at their computer core and infrared systems. This is accomplished by using a localized microwave emitter located in the same ‘pod’. The emitter fires an intense, but short pulse of microwaves which would strike the missile and effectively ‘melt’ the circuitry as well as royally fuck up anything made of metal.



Direct Neural Interface- Helicopter

The DNI-H is a Direct Neural Interface system (originally developed for the VEPR NGCS Infantry Combat System) that allows the pilot to actively pilot the aircraft using his own mind. Targetting information is transferred directly into the pilot/WSO's vision and the pilot/WSO can operate all aircraft systems using their own mind. The DNI is a neural implant that intercepts signals from the crew's mind and transfers it directly to a computer system (or vice versa; computer to mind). The Active Neural Pilot System (ANPS) allows the pilot to pilot and control all facets of the aircraft through his mind, mating man and machine to create a perfect killing machine. Since the system is all neural, the pilot does not have to move (although emergency controls are present in the event of a DNI-H failure) and pilots the aircraft using his own thoughts and movements. What was once 'moving' his arm is now controllong pitch, yaw, roll, etc. etc. The flawless interface gives the pilot/aircraft combination near unlimited power and potential.

Targetting information is gleaned from all active and passive detection systems and organized into easy-to-understand, readable displays in the pilots and WSO's minds. Each system is seperate and shows each seperate crewmember information specific to their mission (pilot sees weapons, tracking, flight data; WSO sees weapons, tracking, general flight [heading, speed], enemy, and intelligence data). A central computer system takes all data and turns it into two streams (one to each crewmember) which then enter the crewmember's mind directly by stimulating different portions of the brain. The Weapons Service Officer has the ability to control tracking system as well as weaponry using his mind although emergency controls are present. The Pilot has the ability to fly the aircraft, fire weaponry, and cycle through data as he sees fit without moving a single muscle, aside from the eye...






General Specifications of the SAH-27A Next Generation Attack Helicopter

Powerplant

Twin SB-TFM/HT-TP2 turbines each producing 3,450 horsepower

Flight Statistics

Vertical Climb Rate - 1250 feet per minute
Flight Speed (at rated altitude: 1200 ft) - 247 mph [Maximum Dash Speed (MDS)]; 230 mph [Short Sustained Cruise (SSC)]

Hovering Ceiling- 14,100 feet

Service Ceiling-18,800 feet

Range- 565 nm [Maximum Range; Internal Fuel], 1560 nm [Self-Deployment Range]


Dimensions

Length- 56 feet

Width- 14 feet

Height-16 feet

Main Rotor Diamater- 51 feet

Crew

Pilot
Weapons Service Officer
[Seated in Tandem]



COST

Unfortunately, not for sale yet. Will be sold only to allies. We may consider orders if you post your interest.



OOC- Comments? Questions? Criticism?
Leafanistan
08-05-2005, 00:30
Any interest in selling your DNI technology to me. At least 1st generation version with scientists to teach our scientists how to make these?
Pushka
08-05-2005, 00:30
OOC: So how much is it for the allies. Oh and also, i am talking to Maccabees about something helicopter wise, he hasn't responded to my TG in 2 weeks. I think its a grand idea but i need some advice, unfortunately it has nothing to do with nuclear engineering which is my field of expertiese, can you help me with that? I'll have to talk over the TGs cause my instant messenger is fucking up.
Greater Valia
08-05-2005, 00:32
OOC: Side scrolling is very bad. But I like your picture, draw it yourself?

IC:

The Valian Ministry of Defense has expressed great interest in the SAH-27A and would like to be notified when it will become available for sale to foreign nations. We would also like to know how it would fair against our current Tiger, and Rooivalk attack helicopters in air to ground, and air to air combat.

In other news the Valian Ministry of Foreign Affairs is interested in a possible Alliance with the Soviet Bloc.
Shenyang
08-05-2005, 00:33
The Shenyang High Council would like to voice its interest in procuring SAH-27A Peregrines once they come onto the international market.
Teh ninjas
08-05-2005, 00:37
Nicely done as always SB. I especially like the pic. Expect a large order from me once/if this beauty goes on the market.
Soviet Bloc
08-05-2005, 00:42
OOC- I know, I hate side-scrolling too... But... Well. Deal with it, hehe. And I did draw the picture myself, I like it.

Pushka, send me a TG, I'll help with what I can.

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Leafanistan, we will consider selling you a base first generation type of direct neural interface technology.

Pushka, for allies, we will sell the SAH-27A for $27 Million USD.

Greater Valia and Shenyang, we will consider both of your requests, however, we can not assure you that either of you will be cleared for sale.

Greater Valia, your interest in an alliance has been noted and has piqued the interest of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Currently we are contemplating an alliance and its obvious benefits. Furthermore, we wish to know more of your nation. Thank you for your interest in the SAH-27A Peregrine NGAH.
Pushka
08-05-2005, 00:49
OOC: There do you get such cool pics?
Greater Valia
08-05-2005, 01:05
OOC- I know, I hate side-scrolling too... But... Well. Deal with it, hehe. And I did draw the picture myself, I like it.

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Greater Valia, your interest in an alliance has been noted and has piqued the interest of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Currently we are contemplating an alliance and its obvious benefits. Furthermore, we wish to know more of your nation. Thank you for your interest in the SAH-27A Peregrine NGAH.

Greater Valia; Parliamentary government completely controlled by the Technocratic Party. Although other political parties exist they are in the extreme minority and most have been barred from elections (White Nationalist Party, Islamic Supremicist Party, and the Radical Socialists to name a few) due to terrorist ties and attempts to destroy the current goverment. Defence is a priority consuming nearly 43% of the annual government budget at over 17 trillion bank notes. (ThirdGeek stats here (http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=greater+valia))

Greater Valia also enjoys a diverse ethnic population with no clear minorities. (35% Caucasian, 25% Black, 25% Arab, 20% Asian, 5% Other)

Major Political Parties:

Social Democrats: 3%
Progressive Socialists: 7%
Technocrats: 75%
Conservative Reformists: 5%
Christian Democrats: 7%
Islamic Democrats: 3%

OOC: Thats part of my fact book in progress. If you have AIM, MSN, or ICQ lemme know if you want to know more about me, etc.
The Silver Sky
08-05-2005, 01:09
NICE! I hope you open this up to the international market, I'd buy all of the first shipment, I've been needing a stealth attack helicopter to replace my comanches, do you think you these could be fielded on Naval Ships?

All and all a great helicopter, except how do you get a 565nm combat range, it must carry a lot of fuel, most jets don't get over 400nm max range *cough*Superhornet*cough*350nm*cough

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Soviet Bloc, how would an alliance sound, I know I'm a relatively new nation but I'm pretty open, if you have MSN messenger you may be you could get to know my nation better.
Geisenfried
08-05-2005, 01:13
OOC: Awesome 'copter!

IC:
From the desk of the King

While we understand that the Soviet Bloc will not be selling these excellent helicopters to the international market quite yet, we would be most interested in buying some when you do open them to the market.

HRM King Alexander I
Space Union
08-05-2005, 01:25
Top of the line quality! All your products of course are top quality. This new helicopter interests my armed forces. We are currently in need of a new helicopter to fill in the role of air-to-ground niche. If/when this does go on sale you'll get a big order from me. Could we discuss this matter on putting this on sale? We will pay you $30 million for each instead of the $27 million its going for your allies.

President Harsimran Mann
Technocratic Republic of Space Union
Soviet Bloc
08-05-2005, 01:26
OOC- Silver Sky, we'll consider an alliance, I do have MSN its action_jackson87@hotmail.com feel free to add me. Thank you for the comments.

You have to remember that the F/A-18 is a carrier based aircraft (and so it carries less fuel = less weight) and has two fuel-guzzling jet engines. Helicopters generally use fairly efficient turbines and often have a fuel reserve of nearly what a jet aircraft can have [depends on helicopter, and if external tanks are used].

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We thank all nations for their interest in the SAH-27 helicopter and we encourage others to state their interest so that we may compile a roster of interested nations to assist our decision on whether to release it for export sale. Once again, thank you for your interest.

Shenyang, in your request on how they would fare against the Rooivalk and Tiger attack helicopters, we are one hundred percent certain that on a fair battlefield, the SAH-27A should be able to defeat both in the air, especially considering it does have air-to-air fire control systems. Also, the SAH-27, in its gunship configuration can carry more armament and has better fire control systems, especially the mini-turreted laser designator/tracking system which allows the SAH-27 to guide laser guided bombs, rockets, missiles, and aircraft to a specific point while simultaneously engaging and destroying as many as three other targets (cannon, two missiles).
Leafanistan
08-05-2005, 01:28
Leafanistan would like to present hte offer of $1 billion US for the acquisition of DNI technology. If you feel this is unjust in any way just ask and we'll work somethign out. ;)
Greater Valia
08-05-2005, 01:34
Shenyang, in your request on how they would fare against the Rooivalk and Tiger attack helicopters, we are one hundred percent certain that on a fair battlefield, the SAH-27A should be able to defeat both in the air, especially considering it does have air-to-air fire control systems. Also, the SAH-27, in its gunship configuration can carry more armament and has better fire control systems, especially the mini-turreted laser designator/tracking system which allows the SAH-27 to guide laser guided bombs, rockets, missiles, and aircraft to a specific point while simultaneously engaging and destroying as many as three other targets (cannon, two missiles).

OOC: Erm, I asked that but thanks for answering it! Do you think you could set up some sort of field trial? Like the Perregrine vs. other top of the line RL attack helicopters?
The Silver Sky
08-05-2005, 01:39
OOC: I've added you, SB, and yeah your right about larger range, my brain isn't fuctioning, i guess I head the ball too many time at todays soccer game :p

IC: As said before this is a great helicopter, The Silver Sky would be willing to pay a good amount to money to buy this product, and that's saying something considering we manufacture most of our own weapons.
Layarteb
08-05-2005, 01:44
This looks very familiar.
MassPwnage
08-05-2005, 01:50
ooc: ARGH! Competition sucks! I'm currently designing a medium tank and you rearend me by designing what i was thinking about for the future, ARGH! :p
Soviet Bloc
08-05-2005, 05:53
OOC- Hmm, I'll think about setting up a trial.

Layarteb, its basically a heavily modernized SAH-25 [which would've been the JOA helicopter]. Hope ya don't mind, I intend on getting a few new pieces of technology (already gathering some).

Leafanistan, we will sell you a first generation basic form of direct neural interface technology, the ability to control some functions on a computer using neural pathways. From this, you can likely develop a more advanced form.
Doomingsland
08-05-2005, 15:13
OOC:W00t, been waiting for a new attack heli.

IC:

We would like to make an offer for production rights. Would ten billion USD suffice?
UNIverseVERSE
08-05-2005, 15:36
To: Foreign Exports Office, Soviet Bloc
From: Diplomatic Protection Equipment Department, UNIverseVERSE
Subject: The SAH-27A Peregrine Attack Helicopter

Greetings sirs. While we recognize that this helicopter is not for sale yet,
we wish to arrange the possible purchase of a as yet undefined quantity of
these helicopters, although, in all probablitlity, looking at it by in large in
the current frame of things, we will need about 40 or 50. There will not be
used for combat operations, but rather for protection of our embassies. If
this is not possible without the arrangement of friendly relations between
our nations, and possibly an alliance, then we are quite ready and willing to
allow you to establish an embassy in our nation, and we would be
interested in pursuing a trade and defense pact between us.

Even if the offers I have presented here are not acceptable in their current
forms, we would be interested in negotiating accepable terms.

What do you say?

Louise Hartman, Permanent Undersecretary of State.
Tyrandis
08-05-2005, 16:22
OOC: *whistles* Very, very nice.

Just one question, how do you fit a conventional destructive-interference cancellation system into this thing? From what I know, the equipment needed for it is quite bulky, since you'd have to get not only the RWR sets in the frame, but also a pretty big computer since calculating the out-of-phase emission is extremely complex, esp. when considering geometry of how the incoming waves bounce off your aircraft.
Pushka
08-05-2005, 18:35
OOC: How does the DNI thing work? I have something similar in my HS/HZ battle system for my "Red Devils" black ops regiment, i basically said that a soldier could access the features of the helmets by concentrating his eyesight on one of the icons on helmet's display. Although there are prototypes of such helmets in real life (from what i've heard there was a game, you put on a helmet and on the screen you see a stick figure trying to balance on a rope, two red squares are to the left and right of it. You make it tilt right or left by concentrating your eyesight on one of the squares), but nevertheless i was critisized and replaced the whole thing by having a small key pad strapped to the soldier's wrist. Anyways, how exactly does your system work? How does it recognize commands from the brain?
Concremo
08-05-2005, 18:40
To: Soviet Bloc
From: Conremo

The Grand Liraton government of Concremo have decided to ask the Soviet Bloc for assistance i designing and manufacturing the FSAH we have been working on for some time.

OOC: The FSAH will be revolutionary, i am offering a non-negotiable 50% of proffits in exchange for assistance. I have made the images and have a good idea of weapons. I need help with the radar etc especially, so it would be appreciated if you have nothing better to do.

TG me with your msn, and we can discuss it further if you want.
The tokera
08-05-2005, 19:55
the Tokera would be interested in spending $100 billion USD on this great attack helicopter. I truley hope you will release it for international sale soon. Would you consider selling me the plans to some of your systems such as ADVSCAD,AHUD-8CA,AEISCN-09, and several other systems to be employed in my own design? If not I do understand and thank you for your consideration.

Toulouse of the Tokera
Leader of The Tokera military
Pushka
08-05-2005, 20:04
OOC: You draw your pics yourself? Do you use photoshop?
Soviet Bloc
09-05-2005, 00:41
OOC-

Concremo, here's my email for MSN: action_jackson87@hotmail.com . You can add me, along with most anyone else who hasn't added me already.

Pushka, I had a massive development thread where I went from the original VEPR (and S2) infantry combat systems to the eventual VEPR NGCS which utilized the DNI system. It works much the same as yours, except a surgical implant is required and placed in the brain stem. It cannot operate alone unless 'plugged' into a system such as the VEPR NGCS, an aircraft, tank, etc. or provided a power source. Now, that's just for the VEPR NGCS movement attributes (it has a skin-tight layer of micro-muscles that interfaces with the technology and basically gives a soldier an enhanced strength. The system is very expensive, well over half a million per unit and so far has only spread to the airborne forces and special forces, costing us trillions [and no it wasn't an instant deployment, we began with only six hundred soldiers outfitted with it]). The rest are small receivers which do intercept brain waves, however, to get to the most intricate levels, you have to do some nano-engineering to implant interception devices which can intercept, transmit, and do both at the same time [such as when the system is inactive so it doesn't mean you're brain-dead]. Unfortunately, the device has its draw backs. So far, the instances are few in vehicle uses (such as SAH-27, ST-04, ST-29, etc.) which don't intercept movement commands and relay them to the micro muscles, but in the VEPR NGCS, the instances of neural diseases are staggering, with some receiving permanent brain damage, epilepsy, uncontrollable seizures, advanced Alzheimers, etc. But, don't fear, the vehicle users won't have to worry about those, the worst that could happen would be minor seizures and epilepsy, which would both occur as the recipient gets use to the DNI technology. Well, if you have any further questions I can... Answer them?

Tyrandis, its not a big system, it probably can't defeat a fighter's radar, but it sure as hell can defeat tank-based radar, small SAM units, AAMs, SAMs, and other helicopter's. As for the calculations, most aren't done on the aircraft, per se, but done with all available units courtesy of the ARSB DefenseNet [on our's, it can be replaced with a similar system], which allows data sharing, etc. and gives a force the ability to operate as one giant supercomputer. However, if the units are on a reconaissance mission and far from friendly units, the system itself probably couldn't defeat more than an AAM or small SAM and its battery radar, unless there's two or more within a short distance of each other, then they have the collective ability to potentially disable fighter radar and small ground-based radar. Alone, their systems won't work well, but get them in numbers and you'll have a hard time getting past it.

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Doomingsland, your offer is being considered.

UNIverseVERSE, we are currently considering your offer, and it is likely to be granted due to the small number of helicopters required. We would look forward to an embassy exchange.
Roach-Busters
09-05-2005, 00:42
We're both allies of Doomingsland. Would you sell to me?
Soviet Bloc
09-05-2005, 00:46
OOC- Pushka, I did draw it myself... With MS Paint, lol. I'm sad.
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Tokera, we will consider your offer, we can not guarantee that it will be granted, however.


RB, once again, we'll consider. When we decide, they will be posted, thank you for the interest.
Layarteb
09-05-2005, 00:57
Word SB just saying that's all. I have no objections. I do love that picture though.
Soviet Bloc
09-05-2005, 02:17
Bump.
Omz222
09-05-2005, 02:52
OOC: An astonishingly well-done piece of work there. The basic layout seems interesting, along with the armour panels, though I still don't understand why a lot of efforts has been put to stealth and active ECM systems, when helicopters are rather designed to act as an "airborne anti-tank platform" and support ground forces instead of penetrating deep into enemy territory... the loadouts seems nice, and I like the idea about putting the sensors into a turret (similar to what I'm doing for my bombers). The direct neural interface though, does seem a bit too advanced for my taste.

Anyways, any possibility for doing some business? If this is something too sensitive to acquire in large numbers, I suppose that we could have a tech exchange if desired (hope that you'll have a need for strategic bombers soon).
Soviet Bloc
09-05-2005, 05:17
OOC- I've put that emphasis in there to make it as survivable as possible, what I invision it doing is sneaking up on armored forces [or anti-aircraft batteries and SAM stations], in numbers of course, with their active cancellation systems allowing them a good chance at either avoiding conflict or preventing surface to air missiles from having any great effect. Then, they'll deploy their weaponry, possibly utilizing two helicopters to light up targets while the others stay at a distance, possibly beyond a ridge or tree-line, firing munitions to be guided in by the other helicopters, to minimize losses and to confuse an enemy force.

With the equipment I've put on them, I intend to keep them from getting shot down, to make up for the cost and technology placed in them.

They can be used for reconaissance, the cannon can be removed [which is a source of major RCS on the unit].

Otherwise, the DNI, I get that all the time, I use it [which can be changed in an RP but usually it wouldn't make much of a difference, primarily just a better reaction time, etc.], but those who buy it don't have to, they can utilize auxiliary, conventional systems [the deep scan visual display system, etc.].

Strategic bombers, yeah... I need some, I have very few in my inventory and most are some mildly improved Soviet-era pieces of equipment [I do have B-52s and B-1s as well]. So yeah, I'll consider a nice trade, tell me what you have, because a new strategic bomber sounds good, especially an Omzian-design.
Omz222
09-05-2005, 05:47
OOC: Hmm, quite interesting, though to be truthful with the necessary ELINT equipment it is still possible for an enemy to detect active cancellation emissions, as these are active systems rather than passive; however, I think that with the current systems, this thing will be excellent for both the destruction of armoured forces, and special operations against SAM sites (especially long range Patriot or SA-5-types, exploiting their general lack of low altitude capabilities) as well.

With the strategic bombers, just click the first link in my sig ("Omzian Aircraft and Missiles" I believe), and scroll down to the bomber section. For your situation, since you do need replacements especially for the relatively-old B-52s and B-1Bs, the B-101D might be a good solution (though we don't export them to a lot of people, you being allied is the exception), though it sacrifices stealth for sheer speed. Tell me what you are interested, and we can arrange an exchange.
Soviet Bloc
09-05-2005, 06:33
OOC- Beautiful aircraft. I had plans for my own heavy supersonic bomber but it never panned out. Your's is better than what it ever would have been anyways.

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OFFICIAL RELEASE - Omz222
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"After considerable urging from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, we at Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation have allowed for the full production rights to be traded to your nation [of which the the MoFA will reimburse us several billion USD] in exchange for a number of B-101D bombers. As soon as the deal is signed, we will transfer full production rights along with design schematics and a five-aircraft flight to be used for training and prototype purposes."


Statement Issued from the Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation - Foreign Sales Directorate


Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation


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Armed Republic of Soviet Bloc
OFFICIAL STATEMENT

"We have decided to offer the production rights in exchange for sixty of your B-101D bombers, of which will become the primary long-range heavy bomber in use by the Soviet Bloc Air Force. If the number is too high, we can offer monetary reimbursement or provide exceptional discounts at state-sponsored corporations, such as Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation or GTI Industries, the sole producer of all Soviet Bloc infantry equipment, including the VEPR Next Generation Infantry Combat and Situational Awareness System.

We wish to congratulate the designers of the aircraft as it is a truly exceptional piece of work which will undoubtedly serve well within the ranks of the SBAF. We wish to thank you in advance, our strategic forces have needed a severe overhaul to keep pace with the rapid acceleration of the rest of the Armed Republic's military.

Once again, we look forward to future dealings with your nation, which occupies a high position in the eyes of the Armed Republic of Soviet Bloc, thank you."

-Ministry of Foreign Affairs [Under Coordination from Kagan Viktor R. Dokhturov]
Armed Republic of Soviet Bloc
Doujin
09-05-2005, 06:44
-snip-


OOC: Check your telegrams, SB
Soviet Bloc
09-05-2005, 06:48
OOC- Just replied.
Omz222
09-05-2005, 06:54
OOC: Thanks. One of my original attempts to get back in serious aircraft making, after a whole bunch of upgrades of existing RL aircraft. /OOC

Though we are both surprised and delighted that our friends and allies in Soviet Bloc is willing to accept our existing proposal and is heartwarmed by the compliments of the Soviet Bloc military, it was and still is our intention to set up a technology exchange where domestic production licenses would be exchanged, as in our eyes the attack helicopter is too valuable to just provide sixty bombers in return.

Thus, although we are aware of the existing reqirements of the Soviet Bloc Air Force, we would like to offer a domestic production license (DPL) allowing the production of up to 600 bombers for uses within the Soviet Bloc military, or more or less if desired. In hopes for a more balanced deal between the two nations, we wish that the Soviet Bloc Air Force would consider the domestic production license option.

As we await for the answer and eventual finalization of the contract, we are optimistic about the prospects of accepting the attack helicopters into service, as a weapon system that will literally transform the capabilities of the existing Omzian Army Aviation. If Soviet Bloc accepts our offer of a limited DPL for the B-101D, then it is expected that a full set of technical documentations will be transfered electronically to Soviet Bloc, along with the dispatch of a team of engineers to assist in converting existing aircraft manufacturing facilities in Soviet Bloc to produce the B-101D bomber, while a total of two aircraft will be provided as examples and training platforms.

FltAdm (Ret) Jonares Logan,
Minister of National Defence

Ankar Gohen,
Omzian Military Aerospace Corporation
Doujin
09-05-2005, 06:56
OOC- Just replied.
OOC: Last hijack, sorry guys - I replied, I think - If I didn't ask, do you have AIM? It says you do on here but I can't get your S/N from it.
Soviet Bloc
09-05-2005, 07:19
OOC- Doujin, if AOL, for me, ever decides to work, my SN is AC710N87.

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Armed Republic of Soviet Bloc
OFFICIAL STATEMENT

"Very well, we most graciously accept the domestic production rights for six hundred B-101D bombers, in exchange for the full and unlimited production rights to the SAH-27A Peregrine attack helicopter. We eagerly await all technical data, the engineers, and the two test aircraft in order to familiarize and train an initial batch of engineers, technicians, pilots, and other support personnel to provide extensive training in order to bring the B-101D into a prominent role in ARSB Air Force aviation.

Already we have two production facilities, one courtesy of Dat' Pizdy Aviation, a subsidiary of DPAC, and the second a government operated contract facility. The two will act as initial production points to produce a number of initial aircraft for introductory service and training. Production then will be expanded after a series of new facilities are built and a number of others purchased, all to produce parts for the aircraft.

If required, we can do the same with you, providing a number of engineers and technicians to provide initial training and familiarization, especially with the direct neural interface technology, if you decide to utilize it [which you do not have to].

Once again, we look forward to the B-101D serving within the ranks of our Air Force, as we hope the SAH-27A fulfills your expectations."

-Ministry of Foreign Affairs [With Ministry of Defense and Kagan's overview]
Armed Republic of Soviet Bloc
Greater Valia
09-05-2005, 07:28
OOC: Have you decided to make the copters' available for export? And what about that alliance?

(to Soviet Bloc)
Soviet Bloc
09-05-2005, 07:46
OOC- Well, my first priority is sleep, but tommorow afternoon, hopefully, if i have the time, i'll talk to you over MSN about the alliance. Official export for non-allies has yet to be confirmed.
Pushka
09-05-2005, 23:56
OOC: Please check your TGs once you get back, i got a crazy idea.
The Silver Sky
10-05-2005, 00:09
OOC: Wow Pushka's got an idea, this should be good! And Soviet Bloc, when do you think this will be avaliable for export?
Soviet Bloc
10-05-2005, 00:56
OOC - I don't know, it won't too soon, but it should be within the next few days, maybe a week or two at most, depending on how things go.
Doomingsland
10-05-2005, 01:02
OOC:Can I have my prod rights now?
Soviet Bloc
11-05-2005, 06:00
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/Chlevenkov/datpizdylogoII.png
OFFICIAL STATEMENT
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"After careful consideration, Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation, and the Armed Republic of Soviet Bloc, have decided to sell the production rights, or a certain amount of units, of the SAH-27A Peregrine Next Generation Attack Helicopter to the following nations:



-Greater Valia [Cleared for Production Rights If Requested] [$62.5 Billion USD]
-Shenyang [Cleared for Purchase or Production Rights If Requested] [$62.5 Billion USD]
-Teh Ninjas [Cleared for Purchase or Production Rights If Requested] [$50 Billion USD]
-The Silver Sky [Cleared for Purchase or Production Rights If Requested] [$62.5 Billion USD]
-Geisenfried [Cleared for Limited Purchase]
-Space Union [Cleared for Limited Purchase]
-Doomingsland [Cleared for Production Rights] [AUTO]
-UNIverseVERSE [Cleared for Very Limited Purchase ~40]
-The Tokera [Cleared for Limited Purchase]
-Roach Busters [Cleared for Limited Purchase]


If you are cleared for purchase or production rights you may either make a purchase of limited numbers and/or a purchase of production rights. If cleared for Limited Purchase you may make an order of fewer than two-thousand units. If cleared for a Very Limited Purchase, you are cleared to purchase less than five hundred units [UNIverseVERSE received this due to their intent to only purchase a few dozen].

Production rights automatically granted to Doomingsland for a flat price of $55 Billion USD. Further production rights that have been granted are next to the names of the nations that requested, the price is based on diplomatic status and previous orders. Teh Ninjas, due to recent purchases and an extended history of purchasing from DPAC, has earned a cumulative discount.

For nations who requested production rights, please post confirmation orders, after the confirmation, money is expected to be received and the proper diagrams will be dispatched, along with a handful of helicopters for evaluation, training, and engineering purposes. ARSB technicians and engineers can be sent on request to assist.

For nations who stated an interest in purchasing the SAH-27A must post how many of the units they intend to purchase [within limits]. The order will then be AUTOMATICALLY granted, if, and only if, they state the total cost of the units they purchased. Expected order completion times for every one hundred units is ~6 months [Example - Nation X purchases 600 SAH-27A, six 100-helicopter batches multiplied by six months equals 36 months or three years].


If other nations are interested in purchasing please state your interest and you will be evaluated and granted one of the three statuses [Prod. Rights; Limited Purchase; Very Limited Purchase]. If wishing to acquire more than two thousand units but not interested in full production rights, an unlimited purchase request may be made however you must state the amount of helicopters you wish to purchase.

Thank you for purchasing from Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation.




Statement Issued from the Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation - Foreign Sales Directorate


Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation
The Silver Sky
11-05-2005, 13:29
The Silvr Sky would like to thanks the Soviet Bloc for decideing to sell us production rights, we are honored and will put these helicopters to good use, and at least you know this purchase won't bite you in the a**.

We would like to purchase our productions rights for:
$62.5 billion USD
The money has been wired.
Production will start as soon as the order is comfirmed.

Your ally,
Jason Garner
President
The Silver Sky
Doomingsland
11-05-2005, 21:01
Money wired. Production of the helicopter shall begin immediatly. Pleasure doing buisiness.
Duke Barol
11-05-2005, 21:10
As a close ally/proctorate of Greater Valia, The dominion High Command is interested in production rights of the New SAH-27A. Please advise.
Geisenfried
11-05-2005, 22:57
Since Dat' Pizdy has given us permission for purchase, we would like to order 320 SAH-27 Peregrine helicopters for our use. Assuming that the 27 million dollar price per unit tag previously mentioned, ((OOC: I haven't seen anything else regarding cost)) then the total price for the entire units would be 8.640 billion dollars. The money will be wired upon confirmation of this order.

HRM, King Alexander I
Space Union
11-05-2005, 23:04
Space Union thanks Soviet Bloc on their stance. We would like to order our 2,000 helicopters. That will be total price of $54,000,000,000. That is if the unit price is $27 million.

I would also like to open talks to discuss expanding the amount of units for Space Union. I hope we can come to a compromise.
Shenyang
12-05-2005, 00:11
The SAF would like to procure production rights for the SAH-27A Peregrine, we are willing to pay 62.5 billion USD for this transaction, more if you deem this too low, please respond as promptly as possible, and we thank you for the chance to procure this fine aircraft.
Soviet Bloc
12-05-2005, 01:19
All orders confirmed. Shenyang, you were approved for the production rights at a set price of $62.5 Billion USD.

The single price of the helicopter is $27 Million USD per unit.
Duke Barol
12-05-2005, 14:46
Is the dominion government allowed to purchase production rights for the new helicopter?
Jaghur
12-05-2005, 14:54
Well done. I look forward to when this appears on the international market. I wonder if I could purchase one for testing?

OOC: very nice :D , good pic, too
UNIverseVERSE
12-05-2005, 16:55
To: Soviet Bloc
From: Diplomatic Protection Equipment Department, UNIverseVERSE
Subject: The SAH-27A Attack Helicopter, Embassy exchange

Greetings. In regard to the SAH-27A purchase, we will order a total of fifty
(50) units for our diplomatic protection forces. This will come to a total of
one thousand, three hundred, and fifty million (1,350,000,000) United
States Dollars.

On the subject of the potential exchange of embassies, we are very pleased
that this is a possibility. Our terms for an embassy on our soil are:

No more than fifty (50) armed guards
No more than four (4) APCs
No more that one (1) attack helicopter
No more than two (2) unarmed/lightly armed helicopters
No MBTs, and no highly explosive weapons (Mortars, Artillery, Rockets,
Grenade Launchers, plastic explosive)
No grenades other than non-lethals and fragmentation.

If these terms are acceptable, we will give you a large area to build your
embassy on the ourskirts of our capital, with easy access to the VIP link
line.
Also, we wish to hear the terms for an embassy on your soil.

Louise Hartman, Permanent Undersecretary of State.
Shenyang
12-05-2005, 19:26
Your money is en route.
MassPwnage
12-05-2005, 19:48
I'm interested in purchasing production rights to this fine helicopter (ooc: I need some sort of stopgap to give me time to design my UCAV).
Soviet Bloc
12-05-2005, 21:53
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/Chlevenkov/datpizdylogoII.png
GENERAL RELEASE
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"After some consideration, Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation, and the Armed Republic of Soviet Bloc, have decided to sell the production rights, or a certain amount of units, of the SAH-27A Peregrine Next Generation Attack Helicopter to the following nations:

-Jaghur [Very Very Limited Purchase (One Unit)]
-MassPwnage [Class C Production Rights] [$58 Billion USD]


All previous production rights that have been granted were "CLASS A" Production Rights which are of an unlimited production variety with the ability to modify on demand. If issued a CLASS B Production Rights, you are purchasing production rights for a limited number of vehicles, yet you retain your ability to modify the design. A CLASS C production rights is for an unlimited number of units yet you may not modify the design OR utilize any of its technology [which you may not do in any case, no matter what production rights granted UNLESS we allow you to]. A CLASS D production rights is for a limited number of units and you cannot modify the design. Prices are changed according to what you receive.



[STATEMENT RELATED TO JAGHUR]

Your request for one unit for evaluation has been confirmed AT NO CHARGE. The single helicopter will be shipped IMMEDIATELY via aerial transportation. Expect it within a few hours. Thank you, we hope the SAH-27A suits your needs and expecatations.

[END STATEMENT]


[STATEMENT RELATED TO UNIverseVERSE; DISPATCHED THROUGH DAT' PIZDY BY MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS]

The fifty SAH-27As are being sent immediately. As for the embassy request, we accept. Our terms usually mirror the other nation's terms, so consider your terms the same for an embassy in our nation, however, we will allow as many as three hundred and fifty personnel. Also, unfortunately, we will not allow an attack helicopter or any sort of surface to air missiles.

[END STATEMENT]


For nations who requested production rights, please post confirmation orders, after the confirmation, money is expected to be received and the proper diagrams will be dispatched, along with a handful of helicopters for evaluation, training, and engineering purposes. ARSB technicians and engineers can be sent on request to assist.

For nations who stated an interest in purchasing the SAH-27A most post how many of the units they intend to purchase [within limits]. The order will then be AUTOMATICALLY granted, if, and only if, they state the total cost of the units they purchased. Expected order completion times for every one hundred units is ~6 months [Example - Nation X purchases 600 SAH-27A, six 100-helicopter batches multiplied by six months equals 36 months or three years].


If other nations are interested in purchasing please state your interest and you will be evaluated and granted one of the three statuses [Prod. Rights; Limited Purchase; Very Limited Purchase]. If wishing to acquire more than two thousand units but not interested in full production rights, an unlimited purchase request may be made however you must state the amount of helicopters you wish to purchase.

Thank you for purchasing from Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation.




Statement Issued from the Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation - Foreign Sales Directorate [IN ACCORDANCE WITH MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS]


Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation
Duke Barol
13-05-2005, 01:27
ooc:im not sure if you missed my post or are ignoreing me...
Soviet Bloc
13-05-2005, 01:51
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/Chlevenkov/datpizdylogoII.png
OFFICIAL STATEMENT
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"After careful consideration, we are sorry to say, but we cannot sell production rights or a number of the SAH-27 to the nation of Duke Barol. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has urged us not to sell due to the fact there is little to no relations between our nations. However, you may purchase some if, and when, the SAH-27A goes on official foreign sale. Thank you for your interest."



Statement Issued from the Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation - Foreign Sales Directorate


Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation
Jaghur
13-05-2005, 02:06
[STATEMENT RELATED TO JAGHUR]

Your request for one unit for evaluation has been confirmed AT NO CHARGE. The single helicopter will be shipped IMMEDIATELY via aerial transportation. Expect it within a few hours. Thank you, we hope the SAH-27A suits your needs and expecatations.

[END STATEMENT]

=begin_transmission(official)= =from-militaryhq=

Thank you very much. We look forward to the testing of such a fine helicopter. Our test results and evalation will be sent immediately after testing. If it conforms to our military standards, we will guarantee a purchase of at least 20.

=end_transmission=
Soviet Bloc
14-05-2005, 22:45
Bump.
Democratic Colonies
14-05-2005, 22:52
The Democratic Colonies would like to purchase production rights for this fine aircraft, and would like to know if fifty billion dollars would be a sufficent payment.

- Secretary Robert Wolfe (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/JC_Denton/NationStates/rc.jpg), Colonial Department of Defense
Space Union
14-05-2005, 23:00
We currently are in need of more of your fabulous helicopters, so could we buy the production rights? We are capable of going up to $80-$100 billion if you request.
Soviet Bloc
14-05-2005, 23:08
Both confirmed. Both will be granted at a flat $62.5 Billion USD [We can negotiate payment plans]. Thank you for purchasing from Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation.
Space Union
14-05-2005, 23:11
Both confirmed. Both will be granted at a flat $62.5 Billion USD [We can negotiate payment plans]. Thank you for purchasing from Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation.

We thank Soviet Bloc for accepting my nations request. Money will be wired to you right now.

President Harsimran Mann
Technocratic Republic of Space Union
Democratic Colonies
14-05-2005, 23:13
Both confirmed. Both will be granted at a flat $62.5 Billion USD [We can negotiate payment plans]. Thank you for purchasing from Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation.

We find these terms acceptable. Funds will be wired in a single lump sum immediately.

- Secretary Robert Wolfe (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/JC_Denton/NationStates/rc.jpg), Colonial Department of Defense
Riconiaa
14-05-2005, 23:13
The Democratic Republic of Riconiaa would like to buy the production rights of this magnificent helicopter. At great expense to our nation, we offer you 60.5Billion$ for the sound production rights for this wonderful edition to battlefield air-ground combat.
Pushka
14-05-2005, 23:43
Union of Communist Republics would like to acuire the production rights for this helicopter.

-Ilya Krushev, Head of Purchasing sub-division, Ministry of Defence.
Former Soviet Mafia
14-05-2005, 23:47
OOC: That is the coolest drawing evar.
Jaghur
15-05-2005, 01:56
We have completed our testing and have found your helicopter performs exceptionally well. Here are the test results (Ratings are on a scale of 10 to 1, 10 being the highest):

SAH-27A Peregrine Test Results
Propulsion-10
Design-10
Stealth-8
Armament-10
Modularity-9
Systems-10
Crew and Helicopter Survivability-9
Countermeasures-7
Direct Neural Interface-9
Size-9
Speed-9
Maneuverability-8
Overall-9

You have a guaranteed buyer when the helicopter comes out on the international market.
Soviet Bloc
16-05-2005, 02:59
OOC- FSM, thank you.


Riconiaa, your request has been granted. Thank you for purchasing the CLASS A production rights to the SAH-27A NGAH.

Puskha, your request has also been granted. Thank you for purchasing the CLASS A production rights to the SAH-27A NGAH.
Layarteb
16-05-2005, 03:03
We have completed our testing and have found your helicopter performs exceptionally well. Here are the test results (Ratings are on a scale of 10 to 1, 10 being the highest):

SAH-27A Peregrine Test Results
Propulsion-10
Design-10
Stealth-8
Armament-10
Modularity-9
Systems-10
Crew and Helicopter Survivability-9
Countermeasures-7
Direct Neural Interface-9
Size-9
Speed-9
Maneuverability-8
Overall-9

You have a guaranteed buyer when the helicopter comes out on the international market.

I would say that sums it up, this man knows how to make tanks, helicopters, just about anything! I usually don't trust anybody else's designs when it comes to stuff, especially ground & air. However, I have a lot of ST-xx series tanks (all of them actually) and other systems. Buy from him and you buy something that the enemy with envy.
Jaghur
17-05-2005, 23:05
OOC: SB, when are you planning to release this on the international market?
Mini Miehm
17-05-2005, 23:19
OOC: just out of curiosity, did you know that the "Peregrine" is a designation given to the F-22 stealth ground attack variant? I just wondered if you knew that so please do not take this as criticism.
Soviet Bloc
18-05-2005, 04:14
OOC: Jaghur, soon... Remember, good things come to those who wait.

Mini Miehm, I actually did not know that, however, in any case, it is increasingly difficult to use original names/designations. I planned on originally using one of my original designations [such as Zver, Coba, Laska, Strakh, etc.], however I hit one of those 'name-blocks' and could not, for some reason, think of any name, so I actually had a friend pick one out for me, I think it suits the helicopter beautifully.
Soviet Bloc
19-05-2005, 02:57
Bump.
Jaghur
19-05-2005, 15:11
OOC: Jaghur, soon... Remember, good things come to those who wait.

I'm sure you also know that curiosity is not a sin. And I'm perfectly patient, but sometimes inquistive minds want to know
Mini Miehm
19-05-2005, 20:35
OOC: Jaghur, soon... Remember, good things come to those who wait.

Mini Miehm, I actually did not know that, however, in any case, it is increasingly difficult to use original names/designations. I planned on originally using one of my original designations [such as Zver, Coba, Laska, Strakh, etc.], however I hit one of those 'name-blocks' and could not, for some reason, think of any name, so I actually had a friend pick one out for me, I think it suits the helicopter beautifully.

OOC: It does suit the chopper rather well, although the traditions of most nations are good ways to come up with names for choppers, for example all american helicopters are named after indian tribes, except the huey and the few sea-based choppers, russians have a habit of their airborn units of all kinds ending up with animal designations, the bear and badger bombers, the hind and various planes other than the MIG line, I believe britain names things after places and important events, although I may be wrong about the last one.
Soviet Bloc
20-05-2005, 06:08
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GENERAL RELEASE
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"Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation, in conjunction with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, has decided, to release the SAH-27A Peregrine to full international sale. However, Dat' Pizdy Arms Corp. has the right to deny a sale to any nation which is either at war with an ally [or ourself] or is in poor terms with our host nation, the Armed Republic of Soviet Bloc. This statement only deals with purchases of less than five thousand units, production rights requets must still be posted and must wait to be considered.

Thank you for considering Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation."

Statement Issued from the Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation - Foreign Sales Directorate


Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation
Duke Barol
20-05-2005, 17:16
The Dominion wishes to purchase production rights for the SAH-27A. If that falls through, we would like to purchase 5000 at asking price to show our sincerity.
Soviet Bloc
21-05-2005, 04:09
Unfortunately, we reserve the right to deny the sale of the helicopter to any one, and due to your role in certain international events, we cannot and will not sell to your nation until changes are made in your foreign policy or current international disputes are solved. Thank you for your interest.
The Silver Sky
21-05-2005, 04:18
OOC: Hey SB, do you mind if I use your Copter in a off-site forum? It would be a great help.

And I'm done with the write-up on my XM-125 Freedom MBT, go and check it out.
Soviet Bloc
21-05-2005, 05:27
OOC- Go ahead. The tank looks great, btw, good job.
The Silver Sky
21-05-2005, 05:31
Thanks, your copter will be of great use, and I hoped the tank looked good, look for it on the market soon. :D
Jaghur
21-05-2005, 21:27
The Armed Republic of Jaghur would like to purchase 100 of these fine helicopters. How much will it cost?
Soviet Bloc
22-05-2005, 08:24
Confirmed. For this time only, we'll sell them to you for $2.5 Billion USD. The helicopters will be shipped immediately from a current reserve. Thank you for the purchase.
Soviet Bloc
23-05-2005, 06:09
Bump.
Soviet Bloc
24-05-2005, 04:07
Bump.
Soviet Bloc
05-06-2005, 03:45
Ah, hell, bump.
UNIverseVERSE
05-06-2005, 15:13
To: Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation, Soviet Bloc
From: Daniel Kentabra, PermSec, Helicopter Procurement, Army, Dept
of Defense.
Subject: Purchase of Full Production Rights to the SAH-27A.

Sirs. As we have now seen the capabilities of the SAH-27A Peregrine,
and are extremely impressed with its abilities and performance, we wish to
purchase production rights for this fine machine from you, for the flat price
of sixty-two and a half billion (62,500,000,000) United States Dollars.

This is a most excellent helicopter, and we are pleased to have done
business with you on this matter.

Yours Sincerely, Daniel Kentabra
No endorse
05-06-2005, 15:28
ooc: tag. sry, but the thread tools were being screwy for this thread. :confused:
Soviet Bloc
05-06-2005, 19:28
To: Daniel Kentabra, PermSec, Helicopter Procurement, Army, Dept of Defense.
From: Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation - Foreign Sales Directorate
Subject: Purchase of Full Production Rights to the SAH-27A.

Mr. Kentabra, your nation's request for the full production rights has been granted for the stated price. As soon as a portion of the payment is received, we will immediately dispatch your information packets containing schematics, design procedures, etc. in readable and computer format. Also, we are dispatching six training simulators and ten test/training SAH-27As with a reduced electronics component, but optimized for training. If needed, we can send technicians or advisors to assist the production process.

Thank you from purchasing from Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation,

Vechislav Ghekorov
-Director; Foreign Sales Directorate

Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation
UNIverseVERSE
05-06-2005, 21:39
To: Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation, Soviet Bloc
From: Daniel Kentabra, PermSec, Helicopter Procurement, Army, Dept
of Defense.
Subject: Purchase of Full Production Rights to the SAH-27A.

Sirs. This is excellent news, and the wiring of thirty-two and a half billion
(32,500,000,000) USD is taking place as I type this message. The
remaining thirty billion (30,000,000,000) USD will be wired upon completion
of the reception of all equipment. Again, I must repeat, this is excellent
news, and my superiors will be most pleased at your prompt response.

Yours Sincerely, Daniel Kentabra
The tokera
05-06-2005, 23:17
what is the price? and is it possible that I get production rights?
Soviet Bloc
06-06-2005, 02:07
Unfortunately, we cannot sell the SAH-27A Peregrine attack helicopter production rights to your nation, however, we can sell you a number of units at the price of $27 Million USD per unit. We await a potential future order. Thank you for considering our products.

Dat' Pizdy Arms Corporation