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ooc:view my rather good looking EDiT

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Message to the world (execpt AMF)
from the nation of CTP

We have been violently attacked though no fault of our own by an imperialistic madman we ask for your aid in any way necessary in the defence of our nation will you answer our call or will you remain silent giving evil a breeding ground like someone once said “all even needs to win is for the good to do nothing”

You do realize that I'm still about a day away from your land, right? I haven't attacked yet.

OOC Comment:

I am bricking it. This is my first proper combat and my first proper war.

I have no dislike for you, AMF. In fact, I have respect and fear, to an extent. I hope I won't lose, but it's likely. It shoudl be interesting to see how long I last. Good luck!

Thank you good sir! Anyways, if you're nation was about to be stomped into dust wouldnt you start asking for help as soon as possible?

And to Kazakhstania: There is no way in hell you're going to get that many men mobilized that quickly. Go back and rp it correctly.

Another thing; this helped in the Earth II WW so I think it would help here. I suggest all forces participating in the conflict post any military personel(including logistics) in this thread to prevent god modding accusations. This will also make losses easier to keep track of.

OOC:

I have a five million man army. I have 100,000 paratrooper as my QRF.

The remaining 350,000 are being delivered in dribs and drabs, depending on who was most ready.

Im not having half a million men arriving in a day.

Also, mobilisation time for me is minimal. A day on NS is about a minute.

CTP's missile base launched 25 conventional archers at the fleets and fired 15 napalm archers at AMF's command where the signal for surrender was sent

My mainland is thousands of miles away from yours. These missiles would splash into the sea before ever making it.

Just out of curiousity, is it ok with your government that the Omzian Air Force's Strategic Air Command conducts several massive raids against CTP before the whole invasion, AMF?

Just out of curiousity, is it ok with your government that the Omzian Air Force's Strategic Air Command conducts several massive raids against CTP before the whole invasion, AMF?

Since you are one of the main parties threatened by CTP, feel free.

My mainland is thousands of miles away from yours. These missiles would splash into the sea before ever making it.

This is true if these missiles were using cruise missile tech, but if they were ICBM's then they could theoretically have ranges of 10,000+ miles like in RL.

I hope you don't mind if I do a little electronic warfare here [unless CTP gives back my equipment], it'd help whoever was invading and allow us to electronically disable our equipment we've sold to him?

At the most heated point, and if things move this way, we'll at most have a few thousand (probably around twenty thousand) Marines and special forces to ensure the safe capture and return of Soviet Bloc equipment and weaponry. They can assist in efforts if needed, but I doubt it, they'll likely get our stuff and then sail away.

OOC:

Just a small question.

Would I be any less respected and regarded than I am now (which is very little, as no-one respects me as I have done nothing) if I honorably pulled out of this conflict?

I've just realised you have Omz as well, which makes my 500,000 dudes seem dead.

This is true if these missiles were using cruise missile tech, but if they were ICBM's then they could theoretically have ranges of 10,000+ miles like in RL.


True, but he's launching conventional missiles at a fleet that is a day's sail away, and napalm missiles at me mainland which is even further away. He can do it if he wants, but it's a terrible waste.

OOC:

Just a small question.

Would I be any less respected and regarded than I am now (which is very little, as no-one respects me as I have done nothing) if I honorably pulled out of this conflict?

I've just realised you have Omz as well, which makes my 500,000 dudes seem dead.

No, as long as you RP'd it well.

My mainland is thousands of miles away from yours. These missiles would splash into the sea before ever making it.

there inter continental

also Omz222 your stance is neutral right now as the past FC conflict never happened thanks to AMF

god time kicks ass

OOC: So are my troops stationed in your country then?

Tag for possible commentary.

ooc: the current situation is AMF has attacked us for having operations near FC waters that is all

EDiT: can we post any IC stuff in the war thread

ooc: the current situation is AMF has attacked us for having operations near FC waters that is all

Was that a yes or a no?

OOC: So are my troops stationed in your country then?

ooc:guess not but you can help if you want

OOC: Okay. All I wanted to know.

Dump, if you read this, I'm acting on those TGs.

there inter continental

also Omz222 your stance is neutral right now as the past FC conflict never happened thanks to AMF
OOC: Actually, to be truthful, even if AMF hasn't invaded I would still be /officially/ neutral. However, it would also make sense to say that the planners of the Omzian Strategic Air Command has planned a massive raid ever since the stat of the conflict, as after all a) Hogsweat's attacks on CTP may indirectly endanger Omzian diplomats in Hogsweat if there's a retailation from the opposing side and b) We are quite frankly disturbed by CTP's intentions to invade FC.

there inter continental



Intercontinental conventional missiles? What is the point in that? Having conventional ICBM's is a waste, and besides if these things really are conventional ICBM's, my people wouldn't know the difference and would retalliate with a full nuclear arsenal. I don't think you'd like HOUND V2's raining down on your land.

Well, either way im sure CtP is regretting announcing that he has no WMD stockpiles...

Mind if I help AMF? I can contribute a good amount of my navy and marines.

OOC: Actually, to be truthful, even if AMF hasn't invaded I would still be /officially/ neutral. However, it would also make sense to say that the planners of the Omzian Strategic Air Command has planned a massive raid ever since the stat of the conflict, as after all a) Hogsweat's attacks on CTP may indirectly endanger Omzian diplomats in Hogsweat if there's a retailation from the opposing side and b) We are quite frankly disturbed by CTP's intentions to invade FC.

Hogsweat's attacks on CTP havn't happend
CTP's intentions to invade FC havn't happend

(my archers are still going)

OOC:

Uhmm... this is getting quite crazy.

CTP claims he never invaded FC, using "Time" to cancel invasions and his involvement with FC.

Now several of his allies were helping him aganist FC, and now by all logic, CTP's "Time" thing cancels all allied support as well (allied aganist FC). Thus, his only real allies would be the ones who come to his aid during the invasion of CTP's lands.

Well, either way im sure CtP is regretting announcing that he has no WMD stockpiles...

I thought know one read that oh well (and no i am not regretting saying that) also I was supplied with the zombie dieses that has been kept secret from....um...that nation with the outbreak

OOC:

Uhmm... this is getting quite crazy.

CTP claims he never invaded FC, using "Time" to cancel invasions and his involvement with FC.

Now several of his allies were helping him aganist FC, and now by all logic, CTP's "Time" thing cancels all allied support as well (allied aganist FC). Thus, his only real allies would be the ones who come to his aid during the invasion of CTP's lands.

the invasion never happened as the reason for it was the war

I thought know one read that oh well (and no i am not regretting saying that) also I was supplied with the zombie dieses that has been kept secret from....um...that nation with the outbreak

Please, you're only embarassing yourself.

Please, you're only embarassing yourself.

really explain this from the BBC http://65.127.124.62/south_asia/4483241.stm.htm

and the threads here
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416332

really explain this from the BBC http://65.127.124.62/south_asia/4483241.stm.htm




You are only embarrasing yourself.

http://www.snopes.com/humor/iftrue/zombies.asp

really explain this from the BBC http://65.127.124.62/south_asia/4483241.stm.htm

and the threads here
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416332

(damn AMF you beat me to it!)

Well, it was a cleverly constructed April Fools joke.... Enjoy the Apocalypse!

You are only embarrasing yourself.

http://www.snopes.com/humor/iftrue/zombies.asp

dammit where all my ally's plotting against me?

Well, I'll say it again, I hope if you don't mind if I do some electronic warfare, I intend to electronically disable Soviet Bloc equipment sold to him, then likely either destroy it or capture with Marines and special forces. At most we'll have a few thousand Marines in the nation to ensure the safe return of our equipment.

The electronic warfare should help those who are invading as well, as we can deny GPS, GLONASS, RADAR, and radio communication, along with satellite communication to ground units.

ooc: AMF those missiles could hit you there intercontinental believe it or not

Then you just signed your own death warrant. Expect a full HOUND V2 retalliation, and I very seriously doubt a nation as small as yours has the means to fend off even 1 HOUND V2.

I suggest you retcon this part of your post.

also post losses for my bombers attack

Negative. Your bombers are at least several hours away from my fleets, which are a day away. I will not post losses because frankly your forces just haven't made it there yet. Also, you are going about this all wrong.

The last thing you want to do in an RP is post an 'attack' or sorts and say 'please post losses'. You have to give me time to respond to your attack and defend against it properly, do not post saying you sent bombers and expect me to just post losses. I suggest you read my 'Ultimate Guide to War' thread, you might benefit from it greatly.

my bombers were in the original plan to attack FC remember and they were obviously within striking distance of your navy

my bombers were in the original plan to attack FC remember and they were obviously within striking distance of your navy


Even still, they are a distance away and you have to allow me to respond to your attack. You do realize that you sent just bombers, right? And I hundreds of attack aircraft ready to hit them, right? If you don't allow me to respond you your attack and defend against it properly then you are godmodding.

Mind if I help AMF? I can contribute a good amount of my navy and marines.

*cough*

Even still, they are a distance away and you have to allow me to respond to your attack. You do realize that you sent just bombers, right? And I hundreds of attack aircraft ready to hit them, right? If you don't allow me to respond you your attack and defend against it properly then you are godmodding.

lol there was fighters aswell that is why my transports legged it

Yes TN, I don't mind.

lol there was fighters aswell that is why my transports legged it

REGARDLESS, I am going to respond in turn to your attack. I am not posting losses right out.

OOC:

I think I understand the whole "Time Cancel" thing now.

FC declared that all CTP attacks and invasion has been ignored. Consquently, CTP is now literally acting on that, as his forces magically return to his homeland upon being "IGNORED" by FC. Therefore, the whole invasion and aggression aganist FC never happened, because of FC's IGNORE.

Thus, CTP reverts to the time period where it never aggressive aganist FC, I believe. This means that the invasion of CTP would be unwarranted and invalid, as CTP would have never invaded FC in the first place, because of FC's ignore.


Hope all that made sense. :p

I see what you're saying, but just because one or two players ignore the situation does not mean that everyone else has to. Myself and many others still consider this thing with FC to be real.

Depending on the responses, I may or may not initate Operation Goalkeeper. Some numbers of aircraft (note that all aircraft, excluding supporting aircraft, will have self-defence air-to-air armaments):

288x B-101D Super Bombardiers, flying at high altitude with a combination of PDAS bombs, Tacit Rainbow anti-radiation missiles, and Longaxe PDE-powered missiles;

192x B-105A Skyhammers, flying at low altitude with a combination of PDAS bombs, LRALCM cruise missiles, and SGAM supersonic missiles;

432x B-106 Warcrows, half flying low and half flying high with a combination of PDAS bombs, Chevalier scramjet-powered missiles, and SGAM supersonic missiles;

192x F-101C Halberd, armed with NLRAAM air-to-air missiles, and radar jammer pods for escort;
~1104 combat aircraft in total

Associated AWACS and refuelers will provide support at mid-course.

OOC: CTP - how do I put this - your nation just challenged and fired upon a nation which gave "Total War" a whole new set of meanings.

And you did so with relatively useless weaponry (napalm? napalm? Are you serious???).

Well, it's been nice knowing you. Vastiva would add in, but our fleet is still in international waters outside FC, and is going to watch this one on the telly.

I'd like to add some more commentary that would be beneficial to everybody here.

I think the problem with CTP is that he doesn't fully understand NS. He is used to playing computer games, like Civilization and such, where he fights the A.I. He also might have had some experience with multi-player LAN gaming, so he is not used to RP'ing here at NS in text based roleplay with rules very different from computer video games.


He thought he was doing the right thing, by preventing nuclear war by taking out FC's nuclear weapons. Then FC ignored CTP's attack, thereby nullifying the whole CTP vs FC situation. There were no aggression aganist FC from CTP IC'ly *after* FC ignored his attacks, which means there would be no reason for AMF to demand that CTP become a province / vassal (As the CTP aggression aganist FC has been "erased" by the IGNORE).

CTP only fired on AMF after AMF demanded CTP become an AMF province / vassal. CTP wants to keep his independence, not become someone's slave or vassal, so soon after his nation was created.



What's more, CTP's token military is no big threat to AMF, yet I see the exact same band-wagon jumping here aganist CTP, just like what has been done aganist FC.

Big 1+ billion nations like Omz, Euroslavia, Vastiva, Teh Ninjas, etc. are beginning to dogpile aganist CTP and other March / April / May nations that are trying to come to his aid. The small newcomer nations actually have more balls, guts, and courage than the "big, old, wise" nations. The small nations band together to help and protect each other, while the "big, old, wise" nations feel the need to group up to take out nations 1 / 50 of a single "big, old, wise" nation's size.

That says quite something about the "big, old, wise" nations need for ego satisification, "Oh, I beat up a small guy! Now I feel great!!!!" and "Oh, I don't wanna fight someone my own size. Its so much easier to destroy someone much smaller than me!!!!"

This is turning into another FC. There really is no need for huge nations (1+ or 2+ or 3+ billion each) to all band together to take down 1, 2, or 3 small nations that barely make 100 - 200 million combined.



In my honest opinion, this behavior digusts me. I thought people actually learned from the FC thing, and learned to not gang-rape or dogpile small newcomer nations. This is extremely poor RP etiquette.

Even if he god-modded in the first place aganist FC, he DESERVES a chance to improve his RP. He should be given a chance to learn not to god-mod, and learn how to RP well. I can't blame CTP if he is going to god-mod the defense of his nation aganist this growing dogpile aganist him.

You guys are slamming CTP, not giving him a chance to improve his RP, and not letting him learn from his mistakes. Invading, annexing, or glassing over his nation is the wrong way to help him learn. In all seriousness, if he has no land or nation left to RP with, then he has no incentive to improve his RP'ing.


In my honest opinion, I strongly suggest that CTP fully IGNORE this dogpile invasion of his nation, and try to practice RP'ing with other nations. CTP needs to forget all about FC, and act if FC never existed. Then CTP can RP with me or some other open-minded nations to improve his RP.


I stronly felt that these things *HAD* to be said, given the circumstances, hypocriscy, and my growing frustration at the people of I.I. gang-raping CTP after most of them tried to solve this issue with FC. This cycle of huge nations dogpiling bullshit aganist 1, 2, or 3 month old nations HAS GOT TO STOP!

If this keeps up, I am seriously thinking about coming to CTP's aid to help him aganist this ridiclious dogpile. I don't care if I'm blurring OOC and IC by coming to CTP's aid for OOC reasons because this dogpile situation warrants this.

Good day.

I'm going to use a small Fast Battleship Squadron (see sig links) to seize a port and then Im going to stop.

OOC: I've launched a few Tomahawks at his Air Defense Network and I'll land a Battalion of troops, but nothing more, same as Prae's doing.

OOC:

There are now so many nations invading CTP, and so many invasion threads, that I have no idea where to post anymore.

I offered to evacuate the civilian population in CTP here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8835405&postcount=25), and CTP accepted the offer here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8837109&postcount=26).

Where should I be posting? AMF's invasion thread? Risban's war thread? Someone else's?

Perhaps the creation of a new thread, combining all of the invasion/defense/evacuation efforts would be a good idea. I don't know where to post.

As proposed here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8835405&postcount=25), Colonial forces will begin the evacuation of CTP civilians, with priority given to women and children. Evacuation forces will be composed of two Colonial Navy Fleets escorting unarmed cargo and passenger vessels.

Military Escort Forces
24 x Pax Magellanic Class Aircraft Carriers (total of 4368 fixed wing aircraft embarked on 24 carriers)
12 x Deep Whale Class Battleship (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=389585&page=1)

48 x Ticonderoga Class Crusiers
84 x Arliegh Burke Class Destroyers
48 x Oliver Hazard Perry Class Frigates
60 x Sea Wolf Class Submarines
24 x Seabourne Resupply Ships

Carrier Aircraft in Detail
1728 x F-133 Valkyries (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=362157&page=1)
1728 x F-106 Liberators (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=366362&page=1)
432 x EA-14 Thunder Cat (Electronic Warfare / Jamming Aircraft)
192 x KA-111 Aerial Refuelers
144 x SA-3 Vikings (Anti-Submarine Aircraft)
96 x E-3 Hawkeyes (Airbourne Radar Platforms)
48 x C-130 Hercules (Cargo Aircraft)


Unarmed Refugee Transports

500 x Transports (refugee capacity of approximately 2500 refugees per transport, for total evacuation capability of 1,250,000 refugees)