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ooc: Post your deployments here, and where they are:

My Army:

50,000 men - 30,000 on beaches around FC. 15,000 in the Capital Cattia. 5,000 guarding airfields and naval bases.

50x 155mm Artillery - deployed with troops

2,500 Light Tanks (90mm guns and machineguns) - deployed with troops. Only 1,500 currently manned.

My navy:

20x Battle Class Destroyers (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=414544) - Patrolling within the 100nm boundary

My Airforce:

12x Eurofighter Typhoon - On standby

My Nuclear Forces:

1,500 ICBMs in camoflagued railway carriages - Dotted around nation (500 more in reserve)
500 Mockingbird Nuclear Cruise-Missiles (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=415768)

Also use this thread to resolve problems and godmodding. Dont post OOC on the other thread.

I've deployed 3 Destroyer Squadrons as detailed in the "Imperial Praetonian Navy" link in my sig. The ships used can be found be following the "Imperial Praetonian Shipyards" link in my sig.

I haven't deployed any forces, though as my last post pointed out, I will be in time, as I'm sure much can happen in the space of a couple NS weeks before my force gets there.

Meanwhile, Call to Power, where are these "Secret Bases" and I imagine they are still a distance away from Feline Catfish as they can't be too close to him without his permission... we've already covered this with a guy who tried to claim civilian operations in his waters and it was generally ignored by everyone, so I'm going off FC's map and assuming they are still some distance away as he's a fair distance from everyone.

Other then that, I'm not too concerned at the moment.

Okay...

I've got two Carrier Fleets around Feline Catfish guarding and about to engage the Call To Power Invasion.

First Carrier Fleet:

Carrier Republica

Six Destroyers

Three Frigates

One Ticonderoga Class Cruiser

Ten Assault Troop Transports carrying First Marine Division

Two Vanguard Class Ballistic Submarine SSBN

Second Carrier Fleet

Carrier Avenger

Six Destroyers

Three Frigates

One Ticonderoga Class Cruiser

Two Vanguard Class Ballistic Submarine SSBN

I haven't deployed any forces yet, however, I have 5 divisions en-route, waiting for permission to land in Feline Catfish.

2x Armor Divisions
Armor Divisions: These are broken down into Battalions (10 Companies), and then into Companies (100 combat personnel), as follows:

7 Standard Battalions

1 Self-Propelled Artillery Battalion

1 Air Defense Battalion

1 Engineering Battalion

Breakdown of Battalions:

Standard Battalions are composed of:

2 Air Defense Companies - Each has:

10x M730 A2 Chaparral
10x ADATS
5x M1A2 Abrams.

Organized into 5 tank cover units, 2x M730 A2 Chaparral, 2x ADATS, 1x M1A2 Abrams

2 Self-Propelled Artillery Companies - Each has:
20x M109A6 Paladin
5x M1A2 Abrams.

Organized into 5 tank firing units, 4x M109A6 Paladin, 1x M1A2 Abrams

5 Standard Companies - Each has:
20x M1A2 Abrams
5x M1A2 Abrams SEP

Organized into 5 tank combat units, 4x M1A2 Abrams, 1x M1A2 Abrams SEP

1 Command and Control Company - Each has:
10x M3 Bradley C&C, which is fitted with improved communications gear, a small radar dish, workstations, and has 3 crew and 7 command tank members.
5x M1A2 Abrams SEP

Organized into 3 tank control units, 1x M1A2 Abrams, 2x M3 Bradley C&C.

Air Defense Battalions are the same as Standard Battalions, with the Self Propelled Artillery Companies and 2 of the Standard Companies exchanged for Air Defense Companies.

Self Propelled Artillery Battalions are the same as Standard Battalions, with 4 of the Standard Companies exchanged for Self Propelled Artillery Companies.

Engineering Battalions are composed of:

2 Air Defense Companies

2 Self Propelled Artillery Companies

5 Engineering Companies - Each has:
10x M104 Wolverine
20x M728 CEV

Vehicles are deployed where needed

1 Command and Control Company

1x Mechanized Division
Mechanized Divisions: These are broken down into Battalions (10 Companies), and then into Companies (100 Combat Personnel), as follows:

8x Standard Battalion

1x Air Defense Battalion

1x Command and Control Battalion

Breakdown of Battalions

Standard Battalions are composed of:

8x Standard Company – Each has:

10x M2A2 Bradley
10x 7 man Bradley fighting squads, armed with 5x Sig 552, 1x FN Minimi, 1x Stinger. One man is designated medic; he has improved extra training and equipment. One squad is Command Squad, it has improved radio equipment.

1x Air Defense Company – Each has:

20x M6 Bradley Linebacker

1x Command and Control Company – Each has:

10x M3 Bradley C&C, one carrying the commanding officer of the Battalion

Air Defense Battalions are the same as Standard Battalions, but have 4 of the Standard Companies swapped out for Air Defense Companies

Command and Control Battalions are the same as Standard Battalions, but have 5 Command and Control Companies, and 5 Air Defense Companies.

1x Infantry Division
Infantry Divisions: These are broken down into Battalions (10 Companies), and then into Companies (100 combat personnel), as follows:

10x Standard Battalions

Breakdown of Battalions:

5x Standard Companies – Each has:

8x 10 man Infantry Squads, equipped with 7x Sig 552, 1x FN Minimi, 1x LAW, 1x Stinger.
2x 5 man mortar teams, 2 men equipped with Sig 552s, and the other 3 operating an 81 mm mortar. 1x Command Squad, which has the same equipment as the normal Infantry Squads, with improved radios.

All squads are mounted in M1025 HMMWVs, 1 per 5 men.

2x Artillery Companies – Same as Standard Company, but with the Infantry Squads swapped out for Artillery Squads, which are 10 men equipped with Sig 552s, mounted in a M1025 HMMWV, towing a M198 155mm Howitzer.

1x Medical Company – Same as Standard Company, but there are no extra weapons in the squads. All members have medical training and equipment. 9x Medic Squads, 1x Command Squad.

1x Air Defense Company – Same as Standard Company, with the Mortar Squads swapped out for standard squads, and all HMMWVs equipped with 4x Stinger launchers,

1x Command and Control Company – Same as Standard Company, with the Mortar Squads swapped out for normal squads, and all HMMWVs equipped with extra radio gear, and a laser designator. The normal command squads follow this format.

All HMMWVs have a M85 .50 cal machine gun mounted on the roof.

These Divisions are being sent across in transport ships, one company per ship. This transport convoy is being guarded by 50 destroyers, 5 cruisers, 2 battlecruisers, and 1 small Aircraft carrier.

We are also sending one Division of Paratroops
Paratroop Divisions: These are broken down into Battalions (10 jump groups), and then into jump groups (90 combat personnel, and planes), as follows:

10x Standard Battalions

Breakdown of Battalions:

10x Standard Companies – Each has:

6x 10 man Paratroop Squads, equipped with 7x Sig 552, 1x FN Minimi, 1x LAW, 1x Stinger. One man is designated medic; he has extra medical training and equipment.

4x 5 man M8 artillery squads, each has 1x M8 howitzer, 5x Sig 552.

2x 10 man Command Squads, each has 7 Sig 552, 1x FN Minimi, 1x LAW, 1x Stinger. One man is designated medic; he has extra medical training and equipment. All members have improved radio equipment.

2x C-130 J-30, to carry the troops. Each C-130 carries 3x Paratroop Squads, 2x M8 Squads, and 1x Command Squad. These half companies are relatively independent.


These are going to be escorted by 20 Tornado ADVs, and supported by three KC-10 In-air refuelling aircraft.

None of this will enter Feline Catfish's territorial waters or airspace, or land on Feline Catfish's soil, without permission.

Sorry for the long post. This was just so that no-one could accuse me of not stating anything vital

I am Neutral in this conflict... however, one Vanguard SSBN submarine will remain 101NM from the FC mainland.

ooc: none of my forces have been deployed yet but some are on route

FC Waters
HOGSWEATIAN TASK FORCE
3x Invincible Class SuperCarriers | SCVN
1x Attacker Escort Carrier | CVE
1x Unity Class Superdreadnaught | SD
1x Hood Class Battleship | BCGN
7x Cossack Class Arsenal Ship | CGN
24x Type 62 AAW Purpose | DDGN
23x Type 62 ASW Purpose | DDGN
18x Astute Class Fleet Submarine | SSN
4x Vanguard Class Ballistic Submarine | SSBN
10x Union Class Replenishment Ships | AOE

IN FC ITSELF
15x Eurofighter
10x Tornado GDV

I had those forces there a LONG time ago and you never asked for them to be removed. The airforces, that is.

Call to power: Regardless of your intentions, what you are actually up to is up to you, but my nation is responding to it by calling your bluff and pointing out that it would be stupid for a force to conduct military training on a large scale outwide of a contested area.

Now, what forces do you actually have out there and where are they exactly? Do you just have lots of transport boats for your land forces without any dedicated escort vessels or do you actually have a small navy there...

Meanwhile, how is this Navy being supported? Your nation is under attack isn't it?

Bearing this fact in mind, your nation is being invaded in a different thread stemming from this conflict, this means that while your using important forces here while they could be at home defending your nation.


It isn't impossible to answer these questions and worries, it's possible to have the small number of forces you have in this thread... but I don't understand how you are doing it and it helps if we know how you actually have your forces in the area.

Wait, nevermind, I missed the post while typing this... but I'm keeping the post above to keep in mind the kind of issues you're looking at here.

But just so I understand, your deploying forces near FC, but they aren't there yet?

OOC:

Tagged. Don't want to make things complicated, so I will just observe. If there is any way I can join at all on either team, just TG me.

FC Waters:

5 Nexus series carriers
2 Stormrunner fighter carrier
10 Solarus Submarines
20 Leviathan Battleships

The Air Force

20 DonPachi Phoneix Fighters Assualt type
20 DonPachi Storm Copter Laser Type
20 DonPachi WaveBombers Assualt type
75 Nebula Fighters

Land Force Deployment

10000 Marines
100 Supply Veichles
200 M1 Bison tank
100 Hecules AT Gun
50 Anti Missile Batteries
50 Paladin Cannons.

Just outside of Feline Catfishian Waters:

300x Modified Soviet Oil-Tankers carrying:
-100,000 soldiers with GSR36-A1s.
-30,000 support personnel.
-600 FA-22K Tanks.

Er... you do realise that given you're nations lack of trade with Feline Catfish normally, they have records of the vessels which normally would travel to their nations along with their frequencies and the such... trade doesn't just "happen", it's all planned.

So turning up to contested waters which are in such a tense situation would ulimately result in comminications to all allies forces pointing out in no uncertain terms that these "civilian" vessels are not expected and have no business to enter FC waters... before they get close it's likely you will be asked your desitination in which case you would be asked to turn around to travel there (if you don't say Feline Catfish) or even out right asked to turn around because your vessels aren't expected (if you say Feline Catfish).

Eitherway, it's highly suspicious that so many ships are travelling in unison towards a warzone and wouldn't be accepted as the real deal if they didn't act correctly (i.e turning around when asked).

OOC: Sorry for posting OOC in the other thread, my mind is preoccupied with other things (just took the SAT, I'm talking to host because everything that was in my webspace was gone, my room is being painted etc). So if you could just cut me some slack, that would b great. Ok?

Now onto my post. Here's a peace proposal to Feline Catfish.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416757

edit: oh, and being dispatched are:

4th Navy, 1st Battle Strike Group

1 Yoshitsune Class CVN
1 Kairyo-Hin Yamato Battleship
2 KH Mikuma Class Cruisers
2 Severodvinsk Attack sub
3 Oscar II class Sub
4 Murasame Class Destroyers
3 Kongo Class Guided Missile Destroyers
1 AS-39 Emory Land
1 AGF-11 Coronado
1 MSO 301 Yaeyama
1 MST 463 Uraga
1 MCL 722 Niijima
2 T-AE 26 Kilauea
1 T-AOE 6 Supply
1 Mercy Class Hospital Ship

4th Navy, 2nd Battle Strike Group

1 Yoshitsune Class CVN
1 Kairyo-Hin Yamato Battleship
2 KH Mikuma Class Cruisers
2 Severodvinsk Attack sub
3 Oscar II class Sub
4 Murasame Class Destroyers
3 Kongo Class Guided Missile Destroyers
1 AS-39 Emory Land
1 AGF-11 Coronado
1 MSO 301 Yaeyama
1 MST 463 Uraga
1 MCL 722 Niijima
2 T-AE 26 Kilauea
1 T-AOE 6 Supply
1 Mercy Class Hospital Ship

Were you to propose that to me IC, I would reject them as Iuthia reckognises Feline Catfishes right to protect themselves and increase their waters without infringing on other nations trade routes or territory.

However, he's only accepting the actions of the IC thread to be the only IC he's accepting really so if you want to deply those forces to FC then RP you're actions there so he acknowledges you deploying them.

I would suggest editting you're IC post and making a short IC post about the deployment of forces along with the estimated time of arrival or something like that.

Er... you do realise that given you're nations lack of trade with Feline Catfish normally, they have records of the vessels which normally would travel to their nations along with their frequencies and the such... trade doesn't just "happen", it's all planned.

So turning up to contested waters which are in such a tense situation would ulimately result in comminications to all allies forces pointing out in no uncertain terms that these "civilian" vessels are not expected and have no business to enter FC waters... before they get close it's likely you will be asked your desitination in which case you would be asked to turn around to travel there (if you don't say Feline Catfish) or even out right asked to turn around because your vessels aren't expected (if you say Feline Catfish).

Eitherway, it's highly suspicious that so many ships are travelling in unison towards a warzone and wouldn't be accepted as the real deal if they didn't act correctly (i.e turning around when asked).

You misunderstood an important part of my IC post. I said that the information on the vessels (including the military units contained in each) was sent to all allied nations. That means that not only does Feline Catfish know about it IC, but Iuthia also knows. They were meant to sneak by Call to Power's and his allies' fleets, because Great Romeo has no real navy.

Look:

[the fleet sailed] after sending the details via secure connection to allied nations protecting Feline Catfish

EDIT: It appears some people also have the seem confusion.

Here's the important post I've asked people to read:

after sending the details via secure connection to allied nations protecting Feline Catfish, [the fleet left Romania]

That was in bold letters so people wouldn't make the mistakes they just made (unless Feline Catfish and his allies are plotting against me).

Also not that the tankers are traveling in groups of thirty, with each group seperated thirty nautical miles apart. They are not in a long convoy of 300 ships!

So, here's what should be happening (after a brief restart for players that made the mistake):

If Feline Catfish does NOT send a message allowing my ships to enter, they will wait on the border.
If there is an offensive invasion fleet on the border, it may get suspious of the 300 ships waiting to enter Feline Catfish.
If Feline Catfish does send a message accepting my assistance, my fleet will harbor.
If there is an offensive invasion fleet on the border, it may or may not take action, depending on radar capabillity.

Also note that it takes quite a long time to travel that distance. The ships would reach the Feline Catfish in around a week NS time, meaning that the posts saying they arrived already are premature. I just said they left, not they arrived!

Forces currently in-theatre are:

6th Free Provinces Fleet Escort Group A
1 Aberden-class escort carrier
6 Guardian-class Arrow III ABM cruisers
1 Defender-class DEFCLADS cruisers
4 Adam Smith-class missile frigates
2 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers
2 Jefferson-class SSKNs

43rd Marine Battalion - 1,873 Marines

All these forces, as stated in other threads, are currently neutral (due to the restart) and should be treated as non-combatants. They are observing the situation from 200nm off the coast of Feline Catfish. Attacks on any Copiosa Scotian ships will trigger the deployment of the entire 6th Free Provinces Fleet.

Here are the fighting ships in my fleet:
Second Expeditionary Fleet, Battle Groups Alpha and Beta


2x Infusion Class Carrier
2x Formidible Class Carriers
1x Lunar Class Carrier
222x MiG-29s
40x F-109Ds
51x Su-33s
45x Su-34s
1x Thunder Child Class BBN (dreadnaught)
1x Mackensen Class BBN
2x Hiroshima Class Cruiser
3x Katori Class Cruiser
10x Centaur Class Destroyers
21x Sabre Class Destroyers
7x Suiheisen Class Destroyers
4x Meteora Class Destroyers
30x Defiance Class Frigates
15x Lion Class Frigates
2x Sea Wolf Class SSBN
4x Dreadnaught Class SSGN
2x Swordfish Class SSN

Has been deployed in International Waters outside FC since this cheese-up began. Consider it on alert and well appraised of what is going on.

8th Fleet – Feline Catfish
Commander: Fleet Admiral Ishtar Mesfin al-Din
(does not include support vessels)
1 Twelve Tribes (mod II) CVN
4 Charles deGaulle CVN
1 Fafin BBGN
1 Guillen BBGN
16 Archer-II AA CGN
10 Cherokee CGN
35 Farragut DDG
68 Chicago FFG
30 Moray Ekranoplan
30 Aquadragon Ekranoplan
12 Nyad ASW Hydrofoil
15 Devilfish ASuW Hydrofoil
22 Pierpont (mod III) SSN
14 Slinger (mod II) SSGN
2 Excalibur SSBN
6 Caduceus Hospital ships
4 Sheath Hydrofoil Carriers

Total Air Force (Carrier): 315 fighters, 8 E-3A Squints, 16 S-3C (build II) Vikings, 4 MH-609 Pony (helos), 20 SeaBaron ASuW (helo)

Other vessels carry additional air support, including over 100 VTOL fighters total on the BBGNs. I simply don't care to look it all up right now.


Orbital Surveillance - 2 OVERSIGHT satellites, protected by 2 PANDORAS BOX satellites. Our Tudrussel orbital platform can see the satellites, but is not directly engaged in this conflict at this time.

Here's the important post I've asked people to read:



That was in bold letters so people wouldn't make the mistakes they just made (unless Feline Catfish and his allies are plotting against me).

Also not that the tankers are traveling in groups of thirty, with each group seperated thirty nautical miles apart. They are not in a long convoy of 300 ships!

So, here's what should be happening (after a brief restart for players that made the mistake):

If Feline Catfish does NOT send a message allowing my ships to enter, they will wait on the border.
If there is an offensive invasion fleet on the border, it may get suspious of the 300 ships waiting to enter Feline Catfish.
If Feline Catfish does send a message accepting my assistance, my fleet will harbor.
If there is an offensive invasion fleet on the border, it may or may not take action, depending on radar capabillity.

Also note that it takes quite a long time to travel that distance. The ships would reach the Feline Catfish in around a week NS time, meaning that the posts saying they arrived already are premature. I just said they left, not they arrived!

Did you post all of this on the consolidated thread? Because I don't remember reading some of the clarifying things you just said (although I do remember the 30 NM gap between groups of ships, and the fact that you didn't RP them arriving). I don't remember seeing anything about alerting anyone that it was military, not civilian.

Were you to propose that to me IC, I would reject them as Iuthia reckognises Feline Catfishes right to protect themselves and increase their waters without infringing on other nations trade routes or territory.

However, he's only accepting the actions of the IC thread to be the only IC he's accepting really so if you want to deply those forces to FC then RP you're actions there so he acknowledges you deploying them.

I would suggest editting you're IC post and making a short IC post about the deployment of forces along with the estimated time of arrival or something like that.

Ok will do, I'm waiting for Feline Catfish to respond to my response.

Our deployments:


50x Transport ships carring the 1st and 2nd Special Rangers SOAR, the 5th "Tank Hunters" Infantry regiment and the 5th, 6th, 7th, tank divisions, the 3rd and 4th Marine Infantry divisions

The Riconiaan 1st Carrier and battleship group

1x Pelegrine class aircraft carrier (with 60x VF-12 fighter jets, 4x Blackhawks, and 8x Aurura Alpha bombers)
4x Kracken Nuclear Submarines (carrying conventional missles)
4x Anti-sub destroyers
5x Iowa Class Battleships
2x Hydra missle barrage systems

ESCORTS:
3x Cruisers
4x GU (general use) Destroyers
3x Anti-Air Frigates

The Grand Dutchy of Brockmann shall send an air armoda composed of...

120- F-66 Grey Foxes
50- Medium B-23 bombers
25- Heavey B-454 bombers

Also we shall send 2 paratrooper divisions... numbering 20,000 each division.

The Grand Dutchy of Brockmann will also send 6 armourd panzer division composed of..

the 1st Panzer t-88 divions out of Dornst (Royal Guard)
the 2nd Panzer t-88 divions out of Carson (Wolf Pack)
the 3rd Panzer t-77 division out of Permian City (Red Tigers)
the 14th Panzer t-88 division out of Permian City (Black Panthers)
the 25th Panzer t-77 division out of Bismark (The Dukes Thunder)
the 27th Panzer t-99 division out of Dornst (Pride of the Grand Dutchy)

Victory shall be ours, the glory of victory is in our grasp! Who needs nuclear weapons in an obvious land slide airial, naval, and land force assult!

The Grand Dutchy of Brockmann shall send an air armoda composed of...

120- F-66 Grey Foxes
50- Medium B-23 bombers
25- Heavey B-454 bombers

Also we shall send 2 paratrooper divisions... numbering 20,000 each division.

The Grand Dutchy of Brockmann will also send 6 armourd panzer division composed of..

the 1st Panzer t-88 divions out of Dornst (Royal Guard)
the 2nd Panzer t-88 divions out of Carson (Wolf Pack)
the 3rd Panzer t-77 division out of Permian City (Red Tigers)
the 14th Panzer t-88 division out of Permian City (Black Panthers)
the 25th Panzer t-77 division out of Bismark (The Dukes Thunder)
the 27th Panzer t-99 division out of Dornst (Pride of the Grand Dutchy)

Victory shall be ours, the glory of victory is in our grasp! Who needs nuclear weapons in an obvious land slide airial, naval, and land force assult!

And you're going to what, swim there? :rolleyes:

Yu. If ya have no boats to take u there, then you will have to swim! Good luck with that. (I heard that tying to swim whiling carrying a big 500ibs tank can take a real bite out of your day! :p )

OOC: Wait, isnt this whole thing over, having been retconned?

No, only Call to power.

Are you sure? I thought the entire thing was over. (But I posted anyway. Don't want to miss on the action. ;) )

The Grand Dutchy of Brockmann shall send an air armoda composed of...

120- F-66 Grey Foxes
50- Medium B-23 bombers
25- Heavey B-454 bombers

Also we shall send 2 paratrooper divisions... numbering 20,000 each division.

The Grand Dutchy of Brockmann will also send 6 armourd panzer division composed of..

the 1st Panzer t-88 divions out of Dornst (Royal Guard)
the 2nd Panzer t-88 divions out of Carson (Wolf Pack)
the 3rd Panzer t-77 division out of Permian City (Red Tigers)
the 14th Panzer t-88 division out of Permian City (Black Panthers)
the 25th Panzer t-77 division out of Bismark (The Dukes Thunder)
the 27th Panzer t-99 division out of Dornst (Pride of the Grand Dutchy)

Victory shall be ours, the glory of victory is in our grasp! Who needs nuclear weapons in an obvious land slide airial, naval, and land force assult!
You (currently) have a populations of 82 million. I doubt you could do much against the forces mobilized against you, even if this mobilization is reasonable.