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Feline Catfish
06-05-2005, 15:06
ooc: Im fed up with having to trawl through eighty threads every day and struggle to reply to dozens and dozens of posts a lot of which I cant find. As such, this is the only thread I will accept for movements to do with the wars against me. If it isnt posted here, it's auto-ignored. I know this may sound harsh but it's the only way I can keep up. I repeat:

Only actions taken against me which are posted in this thread will be accepted. Everything else will be auto-ignored.

Also, no OOC comments here whatsoever. I will make an OOC thread as well. If you have anything on-going then please copy / paste your post here. Call to power and allies' invasion is ignored because he godmodded zapping through my defences and into my capital whilst taking virtually no losses. If he wants to start his invasion RP again then he is welcome to do so in this thread, but godmodding will not be tolerated on either side. This applies to all his coalition allies too, and everyone who currently has troops in FC (as none of you have RPed your landings with me, you've just posted saying you have troops in my nation).

I realise a lot of II now hates me because of the attention I've received. I hope this can sort that out and stop people from cluttering II up with loads of threads. There is no reason to post on any of the other threads now.

OOC Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=417339) - Post all OOC comments on the OOC Thread, not this thread.
Chronosia
06-05-2005, 15:09
I'm sure people won't hate you; your a good RPer, and deserve to have nukes. Everyone else is over-reacting and pushing it to far. But, I'm personally on your side. As a result, to try and end this silly invasion quickly, I've launched an attack on Space Union, an ally of Call To Power; which can be found here. Good luck mate.

Lament of War- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=417256
Praetonia
06-05-2005, 19:04
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Concador
06-05-2005, 19:56
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Skinny87
06-05-2005, 20:00
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Frisbeeteria
06-05-2005, 20:10
Since at least half a dozen other nations have started up some sort of Feline Catfish consolidation thread as well, let's make this one (Started by FC him/herself) the OFFICIAL TOPIC, and have no more of these, please.


~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Forum Moderator
Forum and Game Rules (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023)


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Neoma
07-05-2005, 13:08
The Fleet stooped there advance into FC waters .05 Mi from the illegal border


To: Pacific Northwesteria
We are here to protect our civilians from this menace, we will only force him to a 20 NM border but we will not faulter from our objectives, move or we will be forced to bypass your forces, or if need be Move them for you using the Mightor Platform....
Praetonia
07-05-2005, 13:20
One of the destroyer squadrons was sent to investigate this new occurance on the boundary with Feline Catfish. With the Lion Class Cruiser Leader rocking majestically on the waves at the head of a small swarm of destroyers, the vessels increased to their top ground speed of 31knts. Every ship had its weapons ready to fire and trained on the Neoman fleet which was about to break through the Feline Catfish territorial boundary.

"Have the fleet slow to 12knts," said Commodore Lucius Memor, leaning over the fleet intercom, "Maintain distance from the Neoman fleet. 13km. Just within visual sight range."

The entire crew was nervous that if Feline Catfish fired nuclear weapons at the Neomans, they would hit Praetonian ships by mistake. The Feline Catfish forces had been known to have problems distinguishing friend from foe in the past. Still, they couldn't pull off now. They had been committed to defend Feline Catfish and there was nothing else they could do. It was only hoped that they would not be too weak in numbers to beat off the Neoman attack, if it came to that.

Communique to Neoman Fleet - OPEN

Greetings Neoman fleet. You are about to breach Feline Catfish declared
territorial waters. If you do so you risk fire from us and Feline nuclear
batteries. We advise you disengage.
Call to power
07-05-2005, 13:34
Message to: all forces involved in the current FC issue
from: CTP military HQ

We will be having a military exercise just outside FC waters please do not fire we don't want a nuclear war now do we

CTP airbase 7

General Hammer sat in his chair watching as the last of the planes take of he pondered how this would turn out but the idea of anything other than a brilliant victory made his stomach turn

"This is zero leader calling all planes maintain radio silence until we are detected"

ooc: sorry I can't go into more detail but I don't won't to give a boring read

numbers:

80 C-5 Galaxy
1600 paratroopers
72 avengers
200 SOV-06 Infantry Fighting Vehicle
224 Hummers
224 Buford Light Battle Tank

divided into 2 groups containing

group one (ordered to take the command e.g. white house)
800 troops
-125 combat engineers
-125 medics
-125 heavy weapon troops
-75 elite troops
-300 regular troops
-50 snipers
-2 avengers

group two (ordered to smash places of importance such as fuel dumps)

70 T-1 Scorpion Main Battle Tanks
224 T-64
224 Hummers
72 avengers
200 SOV-06 Infantry Fighting Vehicle
200 combat engineers
200 medics
200 regular troops
200 heavy weapon troops

escort to group
96 F-27 Haste Stealth Fighters
200 F-31X Cyclone Interceptors
46 F-14's

scret ic:
inside secret airbase 1 and 2

20 F/A-117X Nighthawks and 40 B-69 SkyMaster Bombers flew off to meet up with the transport group

they quickly flew inside the group to remain un-detected

secret airbase 2

1 Naram-Sin took off slowly "this is deadly sin one heading to co-ordinates classified please allow an open path over"

"this is command path clear begin hyper soar over"

"roger command ETA 30 minutes beginning radio silence"

ooc: just copy the stuff from the previous thread if you want
Iuthia
07-05-2005, 13:56
To: Military Command, Feline Catfish
CC: Tiberius Polax, MP, Foreign Secretary, Praetonia
From: Central Command, Iuthian Prima, Iuthia
Subject: Seeking Permission
Message:

To whom it may concern,

After watching this situation escilate over a long period of time, it has been decided by the Acting Lord General of Iuthia that Iuthia is prepared to make a commitment towards aiding those who would help secure Feline Catfish from foriegn aggression.

We have campaigned long and hard at times to convince nations that military action isn't the right way to go about resolving this sitation and instead we were responded to with antiquated notions of International Law, notions which unfortunately many of these nations still claim justify military action against Feline Catfish, who's actions haven't affected them in the slightlest.

It has become clear to us that these nations are prapared to send their children into war over such notions, that they want to 'put Feline Catfish' in their place and bully them into submission... that these nations are prepared to waste so much in the way of resources in making Feline Catfish comply to their demands is absurd, suggesting that perhaps they will further go on to plunder such resources from the nation once they have won, though it seems unlikely to come to that with the nations preparing to defend them.

Eitherway, we feel it is important to make a stand on this issue and show to the world that Iuthia acknowledges these claims for the time being and that we are prepared to put our forces on the frontlines to further convince those who would bully this nation that it would cost them more then they can afford to press their views onto this nation in such a abhorrent manner.

As such from the moment this message arrives Iuthia will be mobilising a mediocre fleet for additional military and logicistal support during this effort. These forces will, once the have been fully prepared for their mission, be deployed several miles from the territorial waters of Feline Catfish themselves, respecting the claim and offering military and logicistical support to friendly vessels in the area. They will not cross these into territorial waters without permission from the Feline Catfish authorities.

It is our hope that our forces can work in conjunction with you're nations in the future to help towards this lofty goal,

Thanks,

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

OOC Details: Generally there are little in the way of specific numbers which can be reported due to the limitations of intelligence networks, however it is clear at this point that there is no sizable amount of ground mobilisation in progress, which would likely confirm that Iuthia has no intentions to defend the nations land itself. However on the naval front Iuthia is mobilising several smaller fleets for various reasons, some of them may be involved with this conflict, perhaps all of them as Iuthia isn't really in any other conflict at this time, though detail are sketchy.

Next non-communication post I'll be RPing the start of deployment in which more accurate figures would be available. The assumption here is that seeing as most nations are northern-hemisphere while Iuthia is actually a warm nation on the southern-hemisphere, it's likely to take around two weeks or more to actually get close to the waters of Feline Catfish, some units from closer regions may be able to arrive sooner, but they are likely to wait for reinforcements.

Additional OOC Note: Actual OOC thread here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=417339), so lets keep large OOC comments there from now on. Call to Power, I've got some questions.
Iuthia
07-05-2005, 14:30
Message to: All forces involved in the current FC issue
From: CTP military HQ

We will be having a military exercise just outside FC waters please do not fire we don't want a nuclear war now do we?
To: CTP military HQ, Call to Power
CC: Tiberius Polax, MP, Foreign Secretary, Praetonia
CC: Military Command, Feline Catfish
From: Central Command, Iuthian Prima, Iuthia
Subject: re: Military Exercises
Message:

To whom it may concern,

After reading you're intentions to have 'military exercises' we feel we must ask you to reconcider your location for these military exercises as you have already displayed on more then one occasion that your nation has a hostile attitude to Feline Catfish.

The fact that you wish to conduct 'military exercises' at this time, in this place with you're policies towards Feline Catfish doesn't even need the suggestion of military action against them as it's pretty much transparent to all concerned that these actions are provocative in nature and likely to threaten further violence.

If you really do wish to have military excerises and not to provoke Iuthia and other nations involved in the current operations in and around Feline Catfish waters you will reconcider your location for such exercises in a large empty part of the ocean closer to home and not outside of a highly tense military standoff. Otherwise we, and the other nations currently operating in this area, will concider it an aggressive move with malicious intent.

On the other hand, if you wish to provoke the situation further, may I suggest being honest about it instead of using some what clichéd methods to hide your intentions... various other nations such as Allanea have used this flimsy tactic in the past and it didn't fool anyone then, so if you really must have a fleet outside Feline Catfish to pressure them, do so honestly or conduct your 'excerises' somewhere where people will actually beleive you.

Thanks,

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps
Skinny87
07-05-2005, 14:38
Republican Carrier Republica

Onboard the Republica, the Radar and Ladar stations were once again lit up all over the board as the Call To Power vessels and transports were spotted by the Outer Pickets of the two fleets. Admiral Rocker, who was in his cabin at the time sipping at a cup of steaming black coffee, was roused from his rest by an aide and escorted to the Bridge where the new activities were reported. 'Gah. So the Call To Power forces are going to try something again, are they?' asked Rocker rhetorically. Sighing at the endless slaughter that this incident seemed to be creating, Rocker reluctantly gave the order.

Several minutes later, twelve FA/18 Fighters launched off of the flightdeck of the Republica towards the Call To Power forces...
UNIverseVERSE
07-05-2005, 15:45
On hearing the news of the potential outbreak of war, President Jacobus checked the intelligence reports carefully, then swore as he realised that most of the combat was taking place at sea, the one combat zone where UNIverseVERSE's recently re-organised and updated military has very little power. However, he decided that he did have the capabilities to send in a powerful land force, and sent an encrypted message to Feline Catfish asking them for permission to do this.

To: the government of Feline Catfish

UNIverseVERSE asks permission to send in troops to help defend you if
enemy forces land on your soil. We would send in 5 divisions (50,000 men)
to support you, plus logistics personnel, for a total of 500,000 personnel.
We would also give you debt free economic aid, and provide safe points for
your nations leaders to flee to if necessary. Do you accept our offer?

We are also ready to supply you with 2,000,000,000 (2 trillion) USD in aid,
plus training officers for your military forces, technicians, equipment, and
basically help to strengthen your military and national economy, if you so
wish.

However, the choice is yours.

Sincerely, President Jacobus, on behalf of UNIverseVERSE
Stevid
07-05-2005, 16:27
From: Stevid Admiralty
To: Vanguard SSBN- International Waters
Signed: Admiral Sir Alan West

TO THE C-in-C OF THIS SUBMARINE. YOU ARE NOT TO ENTER FC WATERS UNLESS ORDERED TO BY STEVID GOVERNMENT OR UNLESS YOU ARE ATTACK OR SEE REASON TO ENTER. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD YOU ENTER FC WATERS AT THIS TIME.

END MESSAGE
Mondoth
07-05-2005, 17:30
Mondoth has long since decided to stay neutral in this conflict, however, due to FC's nearly indiscriminate use and threats of use of nuclear weapons, The Government of Mondoth has been forced by its citizens to Use sattelite generated information to begin adding Feline Catfish strategic targets to our list of strategic threats. Further more, These targets (mostly nuclear missile siloes) will be added to the list of immediate nuclear threats, resulting in nuclear weapons being continuosly targetted on these points. (Fell free to RP the countermeasures to my recon sattelites if you want)
Call to power
07-05-2005, 18:11
ooc: the war hasn't started yet and no CTP hasn't made any aggressive moves as of yet (to get a better idea of what was happening before the ignored war look at the start of operation spring

ic:

Message to: the forces demanding military show cancellation
from: CTP command

we have committed no actions as of yet and are only having operations outside of FC waters should any attacks be made you will be held responsible for starting a war between our peoples
Praetonia
07-05-2005, 18:42
"Admiral, we're detecting large numbers of transport planes heading for Feline Catfish."

"Identification?" The Admiral snapped, looking intently at the radar screen the Lieutenant was sitting in front of.

"They bear markings of the nation 'Call to power'."

"I've never heard of them. What's their stance on the Feline Catfish situation? Commodore?" He asked, looking around to the Commodore attached to handle the political side of the operation.

"They appear to be fairly anti-Catfish. THis could very well be an invasion."

"Hmmm... it could be... it's rather odd for anyone to start a purely airborne invasion... but Feline Catfish does have fairly old AA systems, by all accounts." The Admiral mused to himself. Every second the planes were drawing closer.

"Sir, they will enter SAM range in 5 minutes. Should I give fire?" Another Lieutenant asked, looking round from his station. The Admiral was weiging up his options. His career depended on this. If he fired and it went badly, it would be the end of his career. If he failed to fire and Feline Catfish was annexed by Call to power, the situation would be the same.

"Order the fleet to standby."

"Yes sir."

"Inform the planes that if they enter Feline Catfish sovereign waters we will give fire."

"Sir?" Protested the Commodore.

"Do it. Have the entire fleet ready their SAM systems to engage."

"Yes sir."

[OOC: Copy/pasted from the other thread.

On the other hand you have deployed hundreds of troops transport planes to fly to Feline Catfish. Somewhat 'suspicious', no? Anyway, you can expect about 600 SAMs heading towards your planes when they get over my fleet (ie clearly heading for FC).]
Trolsk
07-05-2005, 19:21
The Emperor of Trolsk sighed heavily, picking up the red phone to his General Militant. "I have decided on my choice. Send help to Feline, but don't go for a Naval Deployment. I want you to send in a TSF unit via Air.."

#Yes sir, order confirmed..#

The Nation of Feline Catfish was still young, and the fairly young democracy of Trolsk couldn't stand by and watch bigger forces 'bully' young nations into submission.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

"FC Command, this is the helicopter carrier 'Hero' requesting permission to send Sea King helicopters into your airspace, along with a battallion of Trolskian Special Forces troops."

"FC Command, this is the helicopter carrier 'Ajax' requestion permission to send Apache support helicopter and Chinok choppers into your airspace, in support of the 'Hero's' deployment."

The two ships slowly drifted in the waters, just out of sight of the naval blockade. A third ship, the Nuclear Powered Aircraft carrier 'Hercules' was prepared to launch Harriers and Anti-Ship VTOL aircraft to ensure the Sea Kings and Apaches got through. The captains all hoped they could do this without drawing extreme attention to their vessles...
Great Romeo
07-05-2005, 19:30
The Serbs were getting impatient. They were tired of waiting for clearence from allied nations. Now they were going to travel to the 100nm border of Feline Catfish with their Soviet modified oil tankers. On these tankers were no fuel tanks, instead they each had thirty concealable missile hard-points. Fifteen could fire SA-N-12 GRIZZLYs, while the rest could fire the
3M-51 Alfa P-900 cruise missiles with active radar to enable anti-ship combat. A depth-charge was also installed on all ships, with active and passive sonar, in addition to sea and airborne radar. Inside, a grand total of 100,000 soldiers equiped with GSR36-A1s and RPG-22s were onboard the ships, with a grand total of 600 FA-22K tanks. 30,000 support personnel were also onboard the ships, along with a stockpile of rationed food and drinks. Each ship could hold 334 soldiers with 100 support personnel and 2 FA-22K tanks. The three hundred ships departed Romania to the border of Feline Catfish in groups of thirty ships each, seperated by 30nm per group,, after sending the details via secure connection to allied nations protecting Feline Catfish, as they had NO markings on any ship; they just appeared to be civilian tankers.
Iuthia
07-05-2005, 19:44
To: CTP military HQ, Call to Power
CC: Tiberius Polax, MP, Foreign Secretary, Praetonia
CC: Military Command, Feline Catfish
From: Central Command, Iuthian Prima, Iuthia
Subject: re: re: re: Military Exercises
Message:

So you are saying you genuinely feel it is in your military's best interest to conduct training excerises outside of the biggest potential international incident of the month?

We haven't made any demands as of yet and we have clearly stated that we advise that if you sincerly wish to train your soldiers that you do so in a safer part of the world instead of looking like you are about to invade Feline Catfish.

The fact that you haven't commited any acts of war doesn't change the fact that you're nation has already stated publically that you are against Feline Catfish's recent actions and that you are opposed to their method... placing a large military force on the borders of their waters isn't the actions of a nation wishing to train it's soldiers peacefully, it's the actions of a nation about to commit an act of war, albeit a poorly masked attempt at best.

Should you wish to retain your nations integrity and honesty, I would advise that you conduct your training else where in a more suitable and less dangerous location for the sake of your troops... how would you respond if Belem decided to train it's forces several miles off your territorial waters? A nation which is highly aggressive and overly militant in it's protection of a nations rights to stockpile nuclear weapons. Would you see it as a ligitimate training excercise or a genuine threat to your nation?

So again, I advise that you either admit your intentions to use military pressure against Feline Catfish, or pull out of the area and conduct military excerises in a much more suitable location.

Thanks,

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps


OOC: I haven't responded to any OOC comments about the intention to hide units here... it's just that your nations attempt to stage it's forces off the waters of Feline Catfish are an obvicous invasion tactic which any one could figure out just from reading your IC statements.
Call to power
07-05-2005, 19:56
ooc: who says I am going to use the same strategy?
Iuthia
07-05-2005, 20:01
Several miles east of the Iuthian Coast:

The preparations had been made and various soldiers had been called to duty to serve on the now mobilised Iuthian vessels. The few goodbyes made at the harbour of Iuthia Prima were, as always, emotional affairs, though they were few in number thanks to the efficient and small number of vessels Iuthia concidered important to the situation at hand.

On the whole, only a fraction of Iuthia's navy was actually to be sent towards Feline Catfish, a small force in comparison to that which Hogsweat had already sent to the area. A Carrier group with additional attack submarine and destroyer escorts were all that Iuthia were prepared to send at this point, hoping that the concept that they were Iuthian alone would help people understand that this was a very light military operation at the moment and that it could become much more heavily handed should the situation call for it.

At home many more vessels were mobilised, prepared to be sent but remaining in Iuthian waters while undergoing additional checks and drills should they be needed in the next couple of week... regardless Iuthia had taken notice and was preparing to get serious about protecting the soveriegnity of another nation.

((A quick edit to remove the OOC crap I had here, it also covers the change from Iuthian mobilisation to Iuthian deployments. Iuthian vessels are still some distance away though.))
Praetonia
07-05-2005, 20:41
OOC: Here's a proposal to end this crap.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416757
[OOC: Honestly, how hard is it to read? Use the OOC thread.]
Hogsweat
07-05-2005, 21:11
Admiral Beatty, Third Admiral of the Navy, rubbed his chin with interest. 300 tankers? In a convoy line.. Something would have to be done.

"Attention foreign civilian craft. this is a restricted zone. We demand that you retreat back into the DMZ Waters. Failure to do so will result in your destruction. Please, leave and return to where you came from."

In case force would have to be used to remove the foreign threat from the area, the SCVN Mighty and Proud prepared it's entire aircraft load. Bombs where wheeled out from stores and clipped cautiously onto wings as missiles appeared from lifts and followed the same process.
Skinny87
07-05-2005, 21:18
Republican Destroyer Grafton

The Grafton had been sailing on the outer edges of the Republican fleets perimeter when it had picked up the large number of what appeared to be freighters approaching the borders of the Feline Catfish waters. Once the Republica had issued the proper orders, the Grafton hailed the leading freighter:

Attention unknown foreign vessels. You are approaching a no-go zone protected partially by the Republican First and Second Fleets. Return to your original positions or we will be forced to open fire on you to stop you crossing the border. Reverse your course 180 degrees immediately or we will open fire on you.

The Grafton had been alerted to the small fleet, as had several other Republican vessels. Even now they were on an intercept course for the freighters, and onboard the Republica FA/18s were being prepped in case the freighters were to be bombed and destroyed in order to stop them crossing into Feline Catfish waters. For added emphasis, the Grafton now aimed its primary Guns at the leading Freighter...
Feline Catfish
07-05-2005, 21:20
Three Battle Class Destroyers sailed up to the convoy of ships whilst it was still outside Catfish waters.

"You are not trading partners of Feline Catfish. Turn around or you will be fired upon. Enter our waters and you will be fired upon."
Hogsweat
07-05-2005, 21:23
As if to back up the Catfish claim, three Harrier Spitfires shot through the clouds overhead, their thrusters vectoring them straight over the long convoy line. It wasn't a message of peace, that was for sure, when a further six Spitfire's turned up, loaded to the brim with Harpoon ASM's, flying low over the convoy. But it was something other, when one of the Spitfire's began to scream down the communication lines;

"What the hell is - HOLY CRAP!"THe pilot pressed the take button three times, zapping three quick camera shots of the stored missiles inside the tanker's bay. The aircraft quickly returned to the Mighty and Proud, and support crews waited impatiently for the camera photos to develop..
Soviet leaders
07-05-2005, 21:43
OOC:Yes I am future tech and I need to sell alot of oil I will not send in any sort of non-mordern tech ship we have a mordern tech colony.But CTP allies you don't know this is happening.
Highly ENCODED
To:Feline Catfish
From: Soviet leaders
000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
We are going to give you 9,000 units of oil for $10.00 are ships will be un-armed and-will-come-every-24-hours and it will be 2 trade ships.
999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
END TRANSMISSION of Highly ENCODED

The ships left the harbor with no escort they left with the fleet of good size but that fleet was going to protect the waters of the colony. the ship will get to there destnation in 20 hours.

OFFICAL STATEMENT FROM INC CORP.
We give are support to FC and we will have are ships there and if any of you attack us you will be attacking unarmed ships.
Call to power
07-05-2005, 23:30
Message to FC defenders

due to AMF declaring war we are cancelling the operations

ooc: I knew someone would lose there cool
Leafanistan
08-05-2005, 00:18
Secret Communique to Feline Catfish Headquarters

High Father Direct Transmission

Generals have been "reassigned" pending investigation; through logic we have found that conflict at this time is impossible given Leafanistan's situation. However we still have the ability to sell weapons to fund our fight against the zombie menace. We will sell you any export weapons with only a 3% profit on each weapon. We have tanks, biological weapons, small ships, aircraft all available. Just ask and we shall provide for your defense.

End Transmission

Encryption Ended
Great Romeo
08-05-2005, 00:54
OOC: Please see IMPORTANT post about the convoy in the OOC thread. Many posts are hearby ignorned. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8834440&postcount=18
Copiosa Scotia
08-05-2005, 02:39
Message to FC defenders

due to AMF declaring war we are cancelling the operations

ooc: I knew someone would lose there cool

We congratulate Call to Power on their wise decision, and regret that it had to be forced upon them in such a manner.

Sophia Kahler
Secretary of Foreign Affairs
Leafanistan
08-05-2005, 02:50
Leafanistan desperately needs funds to fight the zombie menace and has announced intentions to leave neutrality and support Feline Catfish if it is invaded for imperial intentions and a military force in that occupied nation is anywhere near permanent.

Despite the title my offers in the storefront are extremly useful such as the anti-ship destroyer, very, very, effective and Leafanistan will offer a 10% discount to any Catfish ally or Catfish himself.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=417701
Pacific Northwesteria
08-05-2005, 04:22
The Fleet stooped there advance into FC waters .05 Mi from the illegal border.
To: Pacific Northwesteria
We are here to protect our civilians from this menace, we will only force him to a 20 NM border but we will not faulter from our objectives, move or we will be forced to bypass your forces, or if need be Move them for you using the Mightor Platform....
Feline Catfish has made it clear that nobody will be harmed unless they attempt to invade Feline Catfish. While I agree that a 100 NM territorial waters claim is foolish and possibly illegal, I do not believe that goading FC into a nuclear war is the best way to solve this problem. I have the tighter radius, and so any attempts to by-pass my fleet will fail unless they are violent. Violence against this fleet will not be tolerated, and will bring down the wrath of Pacific Northwesteria and all of her allies.
Once again, I urge you to turn back, but if need be I shall block your path with the very steel beneath my feet.
~Commodore Fortino
Vastiva
08-05-2005, 04:31
Official Communique from Fleet Admiral Ishtar Mesfin al-Din

The Vastivan Eighth Fleet shall remain on station 110 to 126 nautical miles from Feline Catfish shores, in a defensive posture, against those who would seek to invade this soverign nation.

We would request all regard the plot of sea we occupy as our soverign territory and avoid if possible, as due to the heightened tempers we must consider anything not distinctly allied to be hostile.

Please contact our picket vessels on (xxx.xxx.xxx) frequencies should overflight or near-flight become necessary, to avoid accidental incidents.

Thank you for your time.

(Message repeats twice)
Fat Flying Penguins
08-05-2005, 12:30
The Grand Duchy of Fat Flying Penguins does not recognise the claim made by the honorable representative from Feline Catfish. The waters in this area are particularily abundent in Herring, the national currency of Fat Flying Penguins. As such this resource us currently being extracted by our skilled underwater experts. However, in light of the possibility of a nuclear holocost in the area, killing off a huge natural resource, and crippling an important part of the economy of Fat Flying Penguins, Fat Flying Penguins will support the claim made by the honorable representative of Feline Catfish, should all Herring extraction rights be given to Fat Flying Penguins. We are prepared to aid with the defense of this region, with out silent underwater minions.

El Presidente
Flappy
UNIverseVERSE
08-05-2005, 12:33
The UNIverseVERSEian Convoy left it's port, and began the long voyage to Feline Catfish. It was carrying 4 Divisions, with a division of paratroopers ready to take off at any time. It was planning to establish a temporary base at a small island near Feline Catfish's territorial waters, and hten wait for permission to proceed to the mainland. It would take approximatel 3 NS weeks to reach it's temporary base.

A permanent message was being broadcast to the protecting forces:

Attention all forces defending Feline Catfish. Do not fire on us whe nwe near your positions, we are on your side in this muddle.

The message was constantly looped across most frequencies.
HailandKill
08-05-2005, 15:43
TO: Feline Catfish and all allied nations
From: The nation of HailandKill

In recent light it has come to our attention some nations may very well invade FC over their aquiring of nuclear weapons. This angers our nation as these nations are going after a smaller nation, while other nations have nukes as well. A 100NM extension of waters is looked at too harshly by others, allthough FC has made it clear they are not near areas of importance. In response to all the hostilities the nation of HailandKill formerly asks to land our airborne division in case of any invasion/hostile attacks on FC and later have 2 divisions land if a war breaks out.

-Signed President Revello
Japanese Antarctica
08-05-2005, 15:45
Unaware of Japanese Antarctica's diplomatic efforts, Admiral Suzuki went to Ministry Park to talk with Minister Ueda concerning the order to send fleets to protect Feline Catfish.

"We can't do this! The ocean is supposed to be open for everyone. Minister, with all due respect, I really think you should think this over again. We can't condone this behavior. We should be continuing our condemnation rather than appeasing this spoiled brat!"

"Admiral, I completely agree that Feline Catfish's actions are absurd and that Feline Catfish is the one at fault. But we have to make sure that no other nation provokes Feline Catfish into using its weapons offensively. So far, they've only used their weapons within their borders, so until they change this policy or act otherwise, we have to take their word for it."

"It still makes no sense to me. But I'll make sure it gets done."

"Very well Admiral, just make sure that your fleets do not fire on anyone unless you are fired upon first. The reason we are doing this is to avoid war, not provoke it."

"Fine then. I'm leaving for the heliport now."

---

Official Message

Japanese Antarctica will deploy two battle strike groups in order to prevent any unauthorized forces from entering the disputed Feline Catfish borders. While we will remind the international community that we do not approve of Feline Catfish's borders, it is in all of our best interests to make sure that peace is pusued before war.So for now, our forces will operate outside of the 100nm boundary, unless told otherwise.
Call to power
08-05-2005, 15:50
Message from CTP command

We are facing the same situation as FC did at the start of this whole thing who will help us?
Soviet leaders
08-05-2005, 16:31
OOC:
TO:AMF,CTP,FC
WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO INVADE CTP I THINK HE HAS GONE THROUGH ENOUGH
ALREADY AND DON"T MAKE HIM A COLONY HIS NATION NEEDS TO BE FREE AND I THINK WE SHOULD ALMOST FORGET THIS EVER HAPPEN!!

and yes I did the Caps thing.
Hogsweat
08-05-2005, 18:57
Soviet Leaders.. you really don't understand.
Soviet leaders
10-05-2005, 05:02
OOC: I heard something of AMF invading him.
IC: The senate is meeting upon the request of the Chief Commander of Soviet leaders Military On the issuse of soviet leaders bing nutural in this conflict.
they will meet tommarrow to come to a conclusion on this issuse.

"Cheif Commander Arkov Tell the senate what you think we should do about this." he said it in a mean manner "I think we Should enter the war on the side of Peace and we should defend the colony in that general area and be ready to lunch the nuks in the area." then he walk out and left and he was planning to speak tomarrow in great length to the senate tomarrow he would talk to all 200 senaters in full about the subject.

OOC: sorry about the shortness.
Vastiva
10-05-2005, 05:08
Message from CTP command

We are facing the same situation as FC did at the start of this whole thing who will help us?

We shall be glad to send you a nuke.

No, no, don't worry about that readout, it's supposed to do that. Yes, the number is getting smaller, and yes, the casing is getting a bit warmer... but that's perfectly normal.

Yield? Oh, I don't know, something with alot of zeros. Say, is it warm in here?

:D
Neoma
10-05-2005, 14:00
I have a proposal....

1.FC reduces his 100 NM Kill all who enter claim to 45 NM

2.FC will get a 50 NM zone where merchant/Civilian ships can still move freely and not be nuked. but if a invasion fleet comes into the waters well thats different

3.FC will identify any ship the enters the buffer zone, to warn them about the nukes,(incase of a Ship in distress)

If FC agrees with this we will leave...
Pacific Northwesteria
12-05-2005, 03:12
Pacific Northwesteria urges FC to accept the Neoman proposition. It would be mutually beneficial for all nations involved for this whole ordeal to end, and this appears to be a quick and painless way of doing it. Specific numbers can always be haggled over, but it does not seem so unreasonable that accepting them would be at all harmful in the short term.
Of course, if you accept, there is the chance that all of the nations attempting to invade you will go home, and send a messenger of peace instead. In that case, we too will withdraw, and send our own representative, with your Majesty's permission, of course.
Please consider this proposition, as we find it to be suitable for all sides.
Yours in Hope,
President Zwimbala of the Nomadic Peoples of Pacific Northwesteria
Vastiva
12-05-2005, 06:52
I have a proposal....

1.FC reduces his 100 NM Kill all who enter claim to 45 NM

2.FC will get a 50 NM zone where merchant/Civilian ships can still move freely and not be nuked. but if a invasion fleet comes into the waters well thats different

3.FC will identify any ship the enters the buffer zone, to warn them about the nukes,(incase of a Ship in distress)

If FC agrees with this we will leave...

Official Vastivan Reply

Obviously you don't pay any attention to what FC has stated repeatedly.

Our counteroffer is simple - accept his 100 nm border and get your ships out of here, posthaste. Simple. That solves the problem.
Iuthia
12-05-2005, 13:25
1.FC reduces his 100 NM Kill all who enter claim to 45 NM Feline Catfish is hardly the first nation to claim 100 nautical miles, given their nations geographical position in the world we hardly feel that it affects any nation's trade, they simply aren't close enough to any other nation to affect trade routes.

2.FC will get a 50 NM zone where merchant/Civilian ships can still move freely and not be nuked. but if a invasion fleet comes into the waters well thats different Again, the extended waters doesn't affect any nations individual trade, unless it's normal practice for that nation to go far far out of their way to take the another nations much closer to them is prepared to defend.

3.FC will identify any ship the enters the buffer zone, to warn them about the nukes,(incase of a Ship in distress)They already have informed many, many nation of their waters... it's up to those nations now to inform their fleets that Feline Catfish is prepared to protect those waters... as are other nations assuring Feline Catfish their safety for reasons of peace. However, we are sure that the Feline Catfish military will warn ships long before they enter the zone.

If FC agrees with this we will leave... It's already been determined that given the large foriegn presence protecting Feline Catfish it would be most... unwise, to force your nations views upon them. Eitherway, we don't see any real reason for any nation to threaten war over something which ulimately doesn't actually affect them.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps
Findan
12-05-2005, 15:16
Feline Catfish is hardly the first nation to claim 100 nautical miles, given their nations geographical position in the world we hardly feel that it affects any nation's trade, they simply aren't close enough to any other nation to affect trade routes.

Again, the extended waters doesn't affect any nations individual trade, unless it's normal practice for that nation to go far far out of their way to take the another nations much closer to them is prepared to defend.

They already have informed many, many nation of their waters... it's up to those nations now to inform their fleets that Feline Catfish is prepared to protect those waters... as are other nations assuring Feline Catfish their safety for reasons of peace. However, we are sure that the Feline Catfish military will warn ships long before they enter the zone.

It's already been determined that given the large foriegn presence protecting Feline Catfish it would be most... unwise, to force your nations views upon them. Eitherway, we don't see any real reason for any nation to threaten war over something which ulimately doesn't actually affect them.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps
OOC:Exactly
IC:After further consideration by Parliment's Trade Board, the Merchant Guild of Findan, and the Ministry of Commerce; The Imperial Land of Findan wishes to let the world know that it is not threatend by Feline Catfish's 100nm EEZ.

Sir Yohn Robertson
Neoma
12-05-2005, 19:43
I feel that it mutually benifical to all who use the waters

Also i have not dissputed the 100 NM claim but i do disspute the "Ill Kill nyone who enters for any reason no matter what"

But i mean face the facts, He is just a starting out nation, he doesnt even have the man power to police the waters he is claiming.

To protect his waters he is almost forced to use uncomentual means of defending the water, (Nukes, ICBM, MOADs) which cost alot to manufacture, maintain, and launch... He is spending TOO much on his military and Neoma fears for his poeples safety... I mean if he wanted a helping hand to build up his military i will gladly gift him somethings, from my mothball fleets, squadrons, ect. i think it is nothing to give a smaller nation a helping hand. I gave another nation 30,000 Mig 37 because he asked for help makeing his Air Force stonger....

OOC sorry for the spelling... Im not on my computer and i dont have time....
HailandKill
12-05-2005, 20:37
OOC: He may not be able to police it but his allies can, and hes got alot of allies. Look at CtP, they tried something then AMF declared war on him. FC has all the cards and again to repeat everyone hes claimed he not near anyone or shipping lanes and an since he has declared these borders and EVERYONE knows about it then the only reason to go near it is war.
Roman Republic
12-05-2005, 20:41
Feline Catfish, I want to say sorry for attempting to attack you and/or uke the hell out of you.
Green Sun
12-05-2005, 20:56
General Homer released this message:
"Feline Catfish, you've got the potential of becoming a great superpower. But instead of bracing for attack, you should expand your influence. Green Sun will sell you military arms as soon as I can regain control of UziCorp and you can start becoming truly powerful!"
Iuthia
12-05-2005, 22:01
Neoma: So let me get this striaght, your nations entire reason for threatening a international incident with this nation by ignoring their water claims comes down to the fact you beleive you're doing them good?

You know how warped that sounds?

Repeating my previous statements regarding his waters, which you have completely ignored, it's plain to see that the ony nations who have any reason to be within 100 nautical miles of Feline Catfish are:

a) Feline Catfish vessels, both military and civilian.

b) Friendly vessels with alliances or trade contracts with Feline Catfish.

It has been determined that these two groups are not under any threat from the Feline Catfish government... in fact it's pretty clear that the only vessels which were ever threatened by Feline Catfish regarding the water claims were all military vessels from nations looking to do "the right thing" by invading Feline Catfish and taking their nuclear weapons from them.

Trade vessels which do not have any weapons of which to speak are not automatically nuked as you seem to suggest... hell, the whole threat only applies to military vessels, non-military vessels which aren't supposed to be in these waters would like be stopped and forced to turn around or be fired upon.

Meanwhile you continue to ignore the reason for threatening nuclear weapons use in the first place... it's a deterrent, albeit not a very effective one clearly. Never the if people don't want this nation to use these weapons they can not threaten this nation like they have done... you seem to be under the impression that this nation doesn't have the right to rule itself as it see fit, perhaps if people stop making demands of them and back the hell off, the people of Feline Catfish will themselves realise that they don't need as much military.

As for your willing to help them? From a nation which has made numberous unfair demands and even, as far as I understand, threatened military action, I hardly expect they are willing to trust you.

So, given that the only person who could possibily benefit from your proposal is Feline Catfish (being the only nation which uses these waters) and given that they have refused to reduce their territory... I would advise other nations to simply back off and leave them be.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps
Neoma
13-05-2005, 01:57
Neoma: So let me get this striaght, your nations entire reason for threatening a international incident with this nation by ignoring their water claims comes down to the fact you beleive you're doing them good?

You know how warped that sounds?

Repeating my previous statements regarding his waters, which you have completely ignored, it's plain to see that the ony nations who have any reason to be within 100 nautical miles of Feline Catfish are:

a) Feline Catfish vessels, both military and civilian.

b) Friendly vessels with alliances or trade contracts with Feline Catfish.

It has been determined that these two groups are not under any threat from the Feline Catfish government... in fact it's pretty clear that the only vessels which were ever threatened by Feline Catfish regarding the water claims were all military vessels from nations looking to do "the right thing" by invading Feline Catfish and taking their nuclear weapons from them.

Trade vessels which do not have any weapons of which to speak are not automatically nuked as you seem to suggest... hell, the whole threat only applies to military vessels, non-military vessels which aren't supposed to be in these waters would like be stopped and forced to turn around or be fired upon.

Meanwhile you continue to ignore the reason for threatening nuclear weapons use in the first place... it's a deterrent, albeit not a very effective one clearly. Never the if people don't want this nation to use these weapons they can not threaten this nation like they have done... you seem to be under the impression that this nation doesn't have the right to rule itself as it see fit, perhaps if people stop making demands of them and back the hell off, the people of Feline Catfish will themselves realize that they don't need as much military.

As for your willing to help them? From a nation which has made numerous unfair demands and even, as far as I understand, threatened military action, I hardly expect they are willing to trust you.

So, given that the only person who could possibly benefit from your proposal is Feline Catfish (being the only nation which uses these waters) and given that they have refused to reduce their territory... I would advise other nations to simply back off and leave them be.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

Unfair demands, me threatening them with my nukes... This is what you say?
I have necver threatened FC with nukes Ive only reminded him of the fact that i have bombs that could annihilate him many times over, but Ive only said that when he has threatened me. Regardless, i will send my fleet home but Fc should be warned that my merchant ships returning from the fishing grounds will not avoid his claim... and if he decides to nuke them i will nuke him back regardless of what you all think or feel, We here at Neoma say that nukeing one of our ships is like nukeing one of our cities...

Any way seeing as how my allies in this matter have left me to enter a 10 to 1 fight that i cannot possibly win, i am sending my fleet home but be warned FC, Do not nuke our Merchant ships or you may find yourself dealing with a Nuclear power you are not capable of dealing with...
Vastiva
13-05-2005, 06:24
Unfair demands, me threatening them with my nukes... This is what you say?
I have necver threatened FC with nukes Ive only reminded him of the fact that i have bombs that could annihilate him many times over, but Ive only said that when he has threatened me. Regardless, i will send my fleet home but Fc should be warned that my merchant ships returning from the fishing grounds will not avoid his claim... and if he decides to nuke them i will nuke him back regardless of what you all think or feel, We here at Neoma say that nukeing one of our ships is like nukeing one of our cities...

Any way seeing as how my allies in this matter have left me to enter a 10 to 1 fight that i cannot possibly win, i am sending my fleet home but be warned FC, Do not nuke our Merchant ships or you may find yourself dealing with a Nuclear power you are not capable of dealing with...

Response by Fleet Admiral Ishtar Mesfin al-Din

Be rest assured, Neoma, your merchant ships which enter Feline Catfish waters will not be nuked.

They will be stopped, boarded, their crews arrested and the ships scuttled by our Eighth Fleet, now in permanent defensive posture of Feline Catfish following an agreement securing Vastiva a naval resupply base in Feline Catfish. The cargo shall be considered 'salvage' following the prosecution of your fleet for trespassing, and will be sold at auction internationally.

We will then bill you for the return of your crew, funds to be received before their release.

Were there any further questions at this time?
Iuthia
13-05-2005, 17:13
Unfair demands, me threatening them with my nukes... This is what you say?
I have never threatened FC with nukes Ive only reminded him of the fact that i have bombs that could annihilate him many times over, but I've only said that when he has threatened me. Regardless, I will send my fleet home but FC should be warned that my merchant ships returning from the fishing grounds will not avoid his claim...

I never stated you threatened them with nuclear weapons, I was refering to the fact you had a military fleet near their waters which in itself is a threat... though I'm sure they were totally there for the benefit of the Feline Catfish people, they weren't threatening invasion because your government disagreed with Feline Catfish policy, they weren't threatening to start an international incident by entering Feline Catfish waters and starting a war which would kill many innocents were they?

And still you ignore the fact that your merchant vessels shouldn't be fishing in other nations waters... your nation is a very long way away from Feline Catfish yet you continue to go on about how your merchants should be allowed to fish in their waters. Clearly your nation is the one which is being unfair.

Whats more, you are still under the some what stupid impression that Feline Catfish would nuke civilian vessels when it's already been stated, no less then three times that the threats were made against military vessels, such as your navy which thought it would be in the Feline Catfish peoples best interests to threaten their nation so, and not civilian vessels which will likely be forcably turned around for entering waters which they simply don't need to be operating in.

Clearly you are being willfully ignorant of the situation, the only smart thing I've seen you do is to withdraw your military which didn't need to be there in the first place. So I would advise you, again I might add, that your merchant vessels don't need to be in these waters, as the 100 NM claim of Feline Catfish simply doesn't affect your nations trade routes... unless it's national policy to fish in another nations waters, well away from your own waters. In which case your nation would clearly be at fault, fish in your own waters and leave Feline Catfish alone already.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps
Findan
13-05-2005, 18:04
THE GRANTON ACCORD

(1.) Feline Catfish can keep his 100 nautical mile Exclusive Econonmic Zone.
(2.) Feline Catfish may keep his nuclear weapons, for defending against nuclear strikes. Feline Catfish may not use his nuclear weapons as first strike weapons.
(3.) No nations can have permenent naval prescense in Feline Catfish's water.
(4.) Nations may establish a naval base in any Feline Catfish ports, with the permision of Feline Catfish's monarch.
(5.) Nations may also establish military bases in Feline Catfish, with permmsion of Feline Catfish's monarch.
(6.) No nation may sell Weapons of Mass destruction to Feline Catfish. Weapons of Mass Destruction are defined as chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons. Napalm and elctromagnetic pulses, are not consider WMD's.
(7.) Nations may send scientists to Feline Catfish to help Feline Catfish develoup WMD's.
(8.) This treaty is to take effect after one NS year after sighning.
(9.) A treaty council shall be formed to enforce this treaty.
(10.) Feline Catfish may not close his waters to any merchants, without the council's permission, unless Feline Catfish sees a direct threat to the security of his land and people.
(11.) Feline Catfish is a member of the treaty council.

Mathiew III,
Emperor,
Imperial Land of Findan.

Sir Charles Hassahoff,
Foreign Minister,
Imperial Land of Findan.
Iuthia
13-05-2005, 18:38
As we understand it, the majority, if not all hostile nations have pulled out from Feline Catfish waters. Though this alone isn't a sign that the situation is entirely over, it is a reasonable place from which we may work on a reasonable solution to any further problems.

However, looking at the Granton Accord we have already noticed numberous rulings which would damage Feline Catfish sovereign rights. In order:

Rulings (1.) and (2.) are both highly recommended and applauded by the Benevolent Dictatorship of Iuthia. It is important to realise that this nation is entitled to claim an exclusive econonmic zone as it sees fit, within reason... others would argue that 100 nautical miles was not reasonable, however the reality of the situation was that 100 nautical miles didn't affect any other nations industries and ulimately made it easier for Feline Catfish to defend their nation. The second ruling would be a suitable concession by the Feline Catfish government which would protect other nations from unprovoked nuclear aggression while retaining Feline Catfish's ability to defend itself as it see fit.

Ruling (3.) on the other hand interferes with the Feline Catfish governments right to allow any other nation the right to assist them in the defence of their waters and as such is concidered highly flawed by the Iuthian government, we wouldn't agree that such as ruling is fair towards the Feline Catfish government. Ulimately it's the right of the Feline Catfish government to allow any forces in its waters as it see fit.

Rulings (4.) and (5.) are acceptable and understandable. It is up to Feline Catfish to allow or deny nations the right to build military bases on their land, as per their soveriegn right.

Ruling (6.) is concidered once again as unfair towards the Feline Catfish government and any nation wishing to sell such weapons of mass destruction to Feline Catfish. It is a up to each and every nation to make it's own choices on whom they sell their weapons to, while Iuthia doesn't condone the proliferation of nuclear weapons we don't feel it is our right, or any other nations right to force a ban on the proliferation on nuclear weapons. Ulimately Feline Catfish has the right to trade with other nations in whatever manner they feel is best for their nation. Such trade is the business of both supplier and buyer.

Ruling (7.) is acceptable providing Feline Catfish wants assistance and providing other nations wish to assist Feline Catfish in their own nuclear programs. Ruling (8.) and (9.) would be acceptable accept for the fact that parts of this treaty seem to be flawed, ruling (9.) itself would be highly questionable at the current state of this treaty as it would suggest nations are hanging over Feline Catfish prepared to invade if they follow measures which highly limits their soveriegn rights to rule themselves as they see fit.

Ruling (10.) is entirely unacceptable as far as we are concern and highly restricting to any government that is asked to accept such rulings... Feline Catfish's ruling body should have the right to deny any vessel entery for their own reasons, unless it is being suggested that it's acceptable for other nations to take Feline Catfish's natural resources from their waters.

Ruling (11.) is acceptable and understandable.


Of course, Iuthia has no say on what Feline Catfish may or may not sign, should they choose to accept this highly restricting treaty then they may do so... however given that their nation isn't under threat and that it's being protected from nations who have already tried to force such measures through military pressure (and failed) we would advise them that they should construct a much more fair treaty instead.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps
Vastiva
13-05-2005, 21:01
Official Reply by Fleet Admiral Ishtar Mesfin al-Din


THE GRANTON ACCORD

(1.) Feline Catfish can keep his 100 nautical mile Exclusive Econonmic Zone.


Of course they can.



(2.) Feline Catfish may keep his nuclear weapons, for defending against nuclear strikes. Feline Catfish may not use his nuclear weapons as first strike weapons.

You have no authority to dictate this.



(3.) No nations can have permenent naval prescense in Feline Catfish's water.


You have no authority to dictate this, and we are already keeping a permanent naval presence in Feline Catfish water at their behest.



(4.) Nations may establish a naval base in any Feline Catfish ports, with the permision of Feline Catfish's monarch.
(5.) Nations may also establish military bases in Feline Catfish, with permmsion of Feline Catfish's monarch.


These are obvious.



(6.) No nation may sell Weapons of Mass destruction to Feline Catfish. Weapons of Mass Destruction are defined as chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons. Napalm and elctromagnetic pulses, are not consider WMD's.

You have no authority to dictate this.



(7.) Nations may send scientists to Feline Catfish to help Feline Catfish develoup WMD's.

Of course.



(8.) This treaty is to take effect after one NS year after sighning.
(9.) A treaty council shall be formed to enforce this treaty.

We are not signatory to this and will fire upon those attempting to "enforce" it upon us or Feline Catfish, unless otherwise informed by Feline Catfish.



(10.) Feline Catfish may not close his waters to any merchants, without the council's permission, unless Feline Catfish sees a direct threat to the security of his land and people.

You have no authority to dictate this.


(11.) Feline Catfish is a member of the treaty council.

Mathiew III,
Emperor,
Imperial Land of Findan.

Sir Charles Hassahoff,
Foreign Minister,
Imperial Land of Findan.

We do not accept this council or it's proposed treaty and will remain on station and in defense of Feline Catfish until a proper authority informs us otherwise.

Good day to you.
Green Sun
13-05-2005, 21:56
"Are these guys high or just incredibly stupid?" one soldier said to his buddy during his break.
"Well, I don't think they're high..." the other one said. A grenade fell into their foxhole and they threw it back to the mob.
Pacific Northwesteria
15-05-2005, 05:06
An Ensign handed the orders to Commodore Fortino, and he read them quickly. He was to return to Pacific Northwesterian waters immediately, with his entire fleet. So much for the party, he though.
According to PN Fleet Command, the situation was becoming too dangerous to risk being caught in the middle of it. The allies of Feline Catfish, inexplicably speaking for him/her, have completely refused to budge on even the most generous of compromises. This does not bode well for any kind of future negotiation. Declaring it a lost cause insofar as PN is concerned, the Admiralty felt that the most prudent course of action would be to withdraw.
OOC: I was there keeping both sides from shooting each other, fyi
Findan
15-05-2005, 19:50
Official Reply by Fleet Admiral Ishtar Mesfin al-Din



Of course they can.




You have no authority to dictate this.




You have no authority to dictate this, and we are already keeping a permanent naval presence in Feline Catfish water at their behest.




These are obvious.




You have no authority to dictate this.




Of course.




We are not signatory to this and will fire upon those attempting to "enforce" it upon us or Feline Catfish, unless otherwise informed by Feline Catfish.




You have no authority to dictate this.



We do not accept this council or it's proposed treaty and will remain on station and in defense of Feline Catfish until a proper authority informs us otherwise.

Good day to you.

Define a proper authority. I do not see why I'm not a proper auhority. I am neutral.
Feline Catfish
15-05-2005, 20:06
"We will not sign this treaty, and so your debates are meaningless. We do instead propose this counter-treaty:

1) Feline Catfish may keep any and all declared territorial claims.

2) Feline Catfish may keep any and all nuclear weapons it wants.

3) Feline Catfish may buy, make and sell whatever it pleases.

4) No nation shall enter Feline waters.

5) Feline Catfish is a Sovereign nation, and her territorial waters represent legal boundaries.

We think this is fair."

King George III
Findan
15-05-2005, 22:04
"We will not sign this treaty, and so your debates are meaningless. We do instead propose this counter-treaty:

1) Feline Catfish may keep any and all declared territorial claims.

2) Feline Catfish may keep any and all nuclear weapons it wants.

3) Feline Catfish may buy, make and sell whatever it pleases.

4) No nation shall enter Feline waters.

5) Feline Catfish is a Sovereign nation, and her territorial waters represent legal boundaries.

We think this is fair."

King George III
In order for the treaty to work you need to make some conssions.
OOC:I'm going to relase a revised copy that would be more fair in reagrds to your national sovrenty.
Praetonia
15-05-2005, 22:06
[OOC: Why does he have to make concessions? If you try to attack him then me, Vastiva and others will destroy your fleets, and if (for some unknown reason) you manage to get past us then he'll simply nuke your landing craft. You have no hold over him whatsoever and no right whatsoever to demand anything of him. YOu've lost, now leave with honour and sign the treaty. At the end of the day, FC is under no threat and doesnt have to sign any treaty.]
Findan
15-05-2005, 22:18
THE GRANTON ACCORD (Revised)

(1.) Feline Catfish can keep his 100 nautical mile Exclusive Econonmic Zone.
(2.) Feline Catfish may keep his nuclear weapons, for defending against nuclear strikes. Feline Catfish may not use his nuclear weapons as first strike weapons.
(3.) Nations may have a permanent naval presense in the waters of Feline Catfish. Nations may only have two capitol ships (Aircraft Carriers and Battleships) and no more than eleven other combatant ships and unlimited noncombatant ships. All bases are subject to the right of inspection by Feline Catfish forces. All naval presense must be approved by Feline Catfish.
(4.) Nations may establish a naval base in any Feline Catfish ports, with the permision of Feline Catfish's monarch. The same restrictions apply above ezcept a nation may have three capitol ships on permenent duty in any Feline Catfish port.
(5.) Nations may also establish military bases in Feline Catfish, with permmsion of Feline Catfish's monarch.
(6.) No nation may sell Weapons of Mass destruction to Feline Catfish. Weapons of Mass Destruction are defined as chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons. Napalm and elctromagnetic pulses, are not consider WMD's.
(7.) While nations may not sell Feline Catfish WMD's, nations may send scientists to Feline Catfish to help Feline Catfish develoup WMD's.
(8.) This treaty is to take effect after one NS year after sighning.
(9.) A treaty council shall be formed to enforce this treaty.
(10.) Feline Catfish may not close his waters to any merchants, without the council's permission, unless Feline Catfish sees a direct threat to the security of his land and people. Note that in an event of an emergency or to prevent an attack on Feline Catfish he may close his waters to merchants.
(11.) Feline Catfish is a member of the treaty council.
(12.) Feline Catfish may purchase or construct unlimted numbers of SAM batteries and any other non-nuclear anti-ship missles.
The Imperial Land of Findan hopes that this treaty is more fair to Feline Catfish. Findan understands Feline Catfish's right to national sovereignty, but for the treaty to work both sides must make consseions.

Mathiew III,
Emperor,
Imperial Land of Findan.

Sir Charles Hassahoff,
Foreign Minister,
Imperial Land of Findan
Findan
15-05-2005, 22:24
[OOC: Why does he have to make concessions? If you try to attack him then me, Vastiva and others will destroy your fleets, and if (for some unknown reason) you manage to get past us then he'll simply nuke your landing craft. You have no hold over him whatsoever and no right whatsoever to demand anything of him. YOu've lost, now leave with honour and sign the treaty. At the end of the day, FC is under no threat and doesnt have to sign any treaty.]
OOC:I was NEVER against Feline Catfish. Nor were ever protecting him. We were and remain vehmenatly neutral. My peacekeeping fleet has withdrawn, do to the fact that the conflict seems to be winding down.
Praetonia
15-05-2005, 22:29
OOC:I was NEVER against Feline Catfish. Nor were ever protecting him. We were and remain vehmenatly neutral. My peacekeeping fleet has withdrawn, do to the fact that the conflict seems to be winding down.
[OOC: So what's the point in proposing a treaty that Feline Catfish has no reason to agree to?]
Findan
15-05-2005, 22:32
[OOC: So what's the point in proposing a treaty that Feline Catfish has no reason to agree to?]
OOC:To simpily prevent future conflict. Alos to protect both sides without the use of arms. If FC feels threatend by a nation, he may clsoe his waters to all non allied merchant. If a country screams up and dwon "He can't do that! He can't do that" all Feline Catfish has to do is refer to the treaty wich both sides agree on.
Iuthia
15-05-2005, 22:36
[OOC: I agree with Praetonia entirely on this... the majority of you guys don't understand the simply problem you are facing. You have no leverage. They didn't respect your nation's military threats from the beginning of this situation, before they had large scale international support defending them. Now that those threats are pretty much gone, they have even less reason to come to any real argeement... afterall, they have the upperhand.

Lets concider what this is all about? You don't like their large territorial waters claim, you don't have any reason to dispute those waters because they don't affect your operations in the slightest, they are simply too far away.

Then we have their nuclear weapon threats... threats which only exist against military forces threatening to invade them, not Joe Fishtrawler, who would be stopped by a military vessel and not a nuclear weapon... it would be stupid to spend so much resources on destroying a civilian vessel with a nuclear weapon when a simple military vessel, or communicated threat at that, can turn them around and solve the problem for a fraction of the cost.

So then we have principal... they were aggressively trying to defend themselves, they showed little respect to enemies and friends alike, they claimed alot of waters (ironically less then every nation in the Haven region is entited to, with some nations wanting much more) and they pissed you off.

Is that worth threatening a war over? Hell no, not unless you're government is so crazy that a insult requires the deaths of thousands of their own soldiers in reply. It's simply not worth trying to force anything on them, and it's been established that they won't give anything away.

So if you incist on dealing and complaining about the lack of concessions, understand this... concessions happen when the reason exists to give them, if you can offer a good reason as to why this nation should sign over it's rights to do as it pleases with it's own people, you better have something to make them want to do it... be it threats or incentives, they have to get something out of it.

Sorry I had to explain this OOC, but perhaps you'll understand better now I have.]
Findan
15-05-2005, 22:41
OOC: I never threatend FC. i'm just trying to prevent future conflict. For any treaty to work both sides have to make consessions.
Iuthia
15-05-2005, 22:42
OOC:To simpily prevent future conflict.

By agreeing to this treaty as it stands, they would stand to lose a huge amount of what they can already do and in return don't stand to get anything more... it doesn't offer to protect them from nations who don't agree to the treaty, the alturnatives it proposes would in fact reduce their defence capabilities because you ask them to ban all nations, including allies, from having a military fleet around them.

As it stands, they have nations offering them much better things without even concidering what you've put forth... they don't have to lose their protection and they retain their freedom from a group of nations which would seek to control what they can and can't do.

Personally I wouldn't touch that treaty you preposed, it's too much power in the hands of other nations, and assuming more then two nations (including Feline Catfish) are on the list of counsil then they would have the threat of outside nations have more voice on their ruling then they have... few nations are prepared to sign away their nation like this. And what if they want to break from this treaty? They would be declared war upon I imagine.

No, if they want to avoid future conflict, they will learn and diplomacy will improve. They don't need a treaty, they have peace now and no nation is looking to invade them... they now have allies who will protect them and should this situation happen again, they can talk about it then. Not sign some treaty signing away their defences.
Findan
15-05-2005, 22:55
OOC: Do you have any idea of any terms that would protect FC and be fair to the otther guys as well so they will be more willing and Vastivia and Preatonia will not have to fight a war to get the other side more willing.
Iuthia
15-05-2005, 23:19
OOC: Do you have any idea of any terms that would protect FC and be fair to the otther guys as well so they will be more willing and Vastivia and Preatonia will not have to fight a war to get the other side more willing.

If you really want an idea of the kind of treaty I would prepose, I would completely turn it on it's head advise that Feline Catfish work on foriegn relations and offer non-aggression pacts to those who want them, a simple agreement between each nation confirming that they will not act out in aggression against one another, basically building trust so that these nations may co-exist.

Personally I would concider the territorial waters a non-issue... many other nations claim much more in the way of waters as the Haven example proves, some of those nations are concidered highly capable of diplomacy, others can be rather aggressive in their tendancies... eitherway they respect one anothers waters (most of the time) and have an understanding. The fact is that there is no reason to enter these waters.

Meanwhile, the nuclear weapons are also a non-issue when you concider that Feline Catfish will only use them against an invasion coming for their nation... that deterrent should be respected, no nation needs to be in those waters and any nation invaded another without a damn good cause deserves what they get. The threat isn't an issue to a nation which has no hostile intentions and if a nation does have hostile intentions it should understand they are prepared to defend themselves in this manner. We do our part to make sure that option never needs to happen, but in truth it's their right to defend themselves as they see fit, we will work with them to avoid it but any nation wishing to invade should understand it's a possibily.

To avoid such problems, a Non-Aggression Pact would confirm that a nation doesn't have any hostile intentions with Feline Catfish and from there they can build on their relations... breaking that pact without a good cause would result in the lose of face and probably a bad reaction from the international community.

Eitherway the answer isn't to further demand things of Feline Catfish in this matter... providing they don't start invading other nations and respect other nations waters I don't see why other nations have the right to restrict them.

Your previous 'solutions' didn't take into account that Feline Catfish is a soveriegn nation which rules itself, imposing rules on it restricting it's nuclear arsenal and and boundaries are very much against the idea that Feline Catfish rules themselves and that they didn't threaten invasion, but that the other nations threatened invasion. The fact of the matter here is, Feline Catfish didn't lose... in fact, they have come out of this stronger because of the unjust actions taken against them.

That is why they will not give away their freedom when they really really don't need to. What you don't realise is that it's not up to us to avoid a war... we won't fight if we don't have to. It's up to those who wanted to invade over nothing who have the choice... and the majority of them, if not all, have withdrew.

For the most part, the situation is over... now all that is needed is a certain amount of diplomacy from Feline Catfish in order to further secure themselves, part of that is down to them making alliances, another part is building themselves up to defend themselves. But we already know that it they are unwilling to hamstring themselves just to appease a few nations who were in the wrong in the first place.
Neoma
15-05-2005, 23:31
Response by Fleet Admiral Ishtar Mesfin al-Din

Be rest assured, Neoma, your merchant ships which enter Feline Catfish waters will not be nuked.

They will be stopped, boarded, their crews arrested and the ships scuttled by our Eighth Fleet, now in permanent defensive posture of Feline Catfish following an agreement securing Vastiva a naval resupply base in Feline Catfish. The cargo shall be considered 'salvage' following the prosecution of your fleet for trespassing, and will be sold at auction internationally.

We will then bill you for the return of your crew, funds to be received before their release.

Were there any further questions at this time?

Then me and you will have problems seeing how i will not pay for my people i will force you to give them to us...
Findan
15-05-2005, 23:51
OOC: Non agreesion pacts would be better. The only reason I put the nukes and waters issuses in is because for some people you have to spell everything out for them.
IC: The Imperial Land of Findan offers a non-aggression and trade pact with Feline Catfish.

Mathiew III,
Emperor,
Imperial Land of Findan


Sir Charles Hassahoff,
Foreign Minister,
Imperial Land of Findan

Sir Reginald Cooper,
Defense Minister,
Imperial Land of Findan.
Iuthia
15-05-2005, 23:52
Official Press Release
Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

While nothing has happened at this time, we would like to remind the Neoma government that sending their civilian vessels into hostile wates not only shows a terrible disrespect for their peoples lives, but also a clear intention to start a war with Vastiva and Feline Catfish.

Such actions would generally make your nation out to be a bunch of warmongers who would start a war over crimes your own vessels would commit. The Iuthian govenment could understand the Neoma government not recognising Feline Catfish waters, as no nation has to actually accept them, they should however respect that entering those waters would be to provoke a war which you were warned about numberous times... it would be on your head that you are sending people into a dangerous area for the reason of starting a war.

Unless you could justify a much better reason for entering waters around another nation... I couldn't imagine how you would do that though as Feline Catfish waters are hundreds and hundreds of miles away from your nation and it would be out of the way to send ships there when you have your own waters and this nation isn't even near any of your trade routes. That reason could you give for sending a civilian vessel into these waters? Because you don't agree with them?

Well if you don't agree with them, are you prepared to start a war with this nation becase they have large claims and yet these claims don't affect you? What would you get out of it other then the satifaction that thousands of your own men died to reduce the claim of another nations waters which don't even affect your people in the slightlest? They don't affect anyone other then the nation which claims it?

So why threaten a war at all? Why not just note your disaproval and ignore this nation entirely? You don't even have to avoid them because they are already well away from your nation... the only way your civilian vessels would need to go near them is if you were to trade with them, which given your hostile statements thus far isn't going to happen without some form of non-agression pact.

Regardless, the choice is yours... your vessels never went near these waters before now and now you are talking about trespassing in their waters and forcing them to give your people back when the fault would clearly be your own? How about you just leave this nation without the benefit of your nations interaction. They can do without your business and otherwise we see no reason for Neoma to threaten action of any kind against this nation.
Vastiva
16-05-2005, 00:11
Define a proper authority. I do not see why I'm not a proper auhority. I am neutral.

Official Response

As you wish.

Feline Catfish dictates what they can and cannot do. You have no right, no authority, and no reason to be involved in this matter.

Therefore, we ignore your words, defend Feline Catfish's claims, and keep the peace.

Good Day to you.
Vastiva
16-05-2005, 00:14
THE GRANTON ACCORD (Revised)

(1.) Feline Catfish can keep his 100 nautical mile Exclusive Econonmic Zone.
(2.) Feline Catfish may keep his nuclear weapons, for defending against nuclear strikes. Feline Catfish may not use his nuclear weapons as first strike weapons.
(3.) Nations may have a permanent naval presense in the waters of Feline Catfish. Nations may only have two capitol ships (Aircraft Carriers and Battleships) and no more than eleven other combatant ships and unlimited noncombatant ships. All bases are subject to the right of inspection by Feline Catfish forces. All naval presense must be approved by Feline Catfish.
(4.) Nations may establish a naval base in any Feline Catfish ports, with the permision of Feline Catfish's monarch. The same restrictions apply above ezcept a nation may have three capitol ships on permenent duty in any Feline Catfish port.
(5.) Nations may also establish military bases in Feline Catfish, with permmsion of Feline Catfish's monarch.
(6.) No nation may sell Weapons of Mass destruction to Feline Catfish. Weapons of Mass Destruction are defined as chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons. Napalm and elctromagnetic pulses, are not consider WMD's.
(7.) While nations may not sell Feline Catfish WMD's, nations may send scientists to Feline Catfish to help Feline Catfish develoup WMD's.
(8.) This treaty is to take effect after one NS year after sighning.
(9.) A treaty council shall be formed to enforce this treaty.
(10.) Feline Catfish may not close his waters to any merchants, without the council's permission, unless Feline Catfish sees a direct threat to the security of his land and people. Note that in an event of an emergency or to prevent an attack on Feline Catfish he may close his waters to merchants.
(11.) Feline Catfish is a member of the treaty council.
(12.) Feline Catfish may purchase or construct unlimted numbers of SAM batteries and any other non-nuclear anti-ship missles.
The Imperial Land of Findan hopes that this treaty is more fair to Feline Catfish. Findan understands Feline Catfish's right to national sovereignty, but for the treaty to work both sides must make consseions.

Mathiew III,
Emperor,
Imperial Land of Findan.

Sir Charles Hassahoff,
Foreign Minister,
Imperial Land of Findan

*shreds the document into little pieces and mails them back, postage due*

Official Vastivan Response

Here is our counter offer - get soaked. If you enter these waters without Feline Catfish's approval, you will be boarded, scuttled, and tried as trespassers, possibly to be sent back if fines are paid - and they will be considerable, as we also produce ink and are happy to attempt to use it up drawing zeros on a page.

Good Day to you.
Findan
16-05-2005, 00:17
OOC: In case anybody has not noticed; I've offered a non-agression and trade pact to Feline Catfish.
Vastiva
16-05-2005, 00:20
Then me and you will have problems seeing how i will not pay for my people i will force you to give them to us...

Official Response

The choice is yours. A wise ruler would stay out of this region completely, as you have no reason to be here.

You have been properly warned; we will do your ships the courtesy of warning them beforehand, and allowing lifeboats time enough to be picked up afterwards.

If it is your desire to go to WAR over that which does not concern you in the first place, we must conceed you are indeed a fool who knows nothing of rulership - for the first concern of a ruler is his people, not a nation far distant which has no contact with them.

Our treaties with Feline Catfish are signed. Our trade will more then make up for the non-existant trade Neoma had and will have with Feline Catfish in the future.

The next move is yours.
Vastiva
16-05-2005, 00:21
OOC: In case anybody has not noticed; I've offered a non-agression and trade pact to Feline Catfish.

OOC: We're all for that, we're just totally against FC signing away any of their rights to a bunch of twinkies who got hyped because he claimed water no one used in the first place.
Findan
16-05-2005, 00:22
OOC: We're all for that, we're just totally against FC signing away any of their rights to a bunch of twinkies who got hyped because he claimed water no one used in the first place.
My treaty was an attempt at fairness. I was hoping I could be fair o both sides.
Vastiva
16-05-2005, 00:28
My treaty was an attempt at fairness. I was hoping I could be fair o both sides.

OOC: The problem is you can't be fair to both sides in this instance. FC did nothing wrong, and is under no compulsion to sign away their rights. On the other hand, the bunch of twinkies trying to invade a new player in a dogpile have no leg to stand on - if they did, we'd chew it off. How can there be "fair" in this? To give the twinkies any concession means they are right - and they're not only not right, they've shown utter n00bishness in attempting to mow under a new nation who didn't attack anyone.
Great Romeo
16-05-2005, 00:46
The Serbs were getting impatient. They were tired of waiting for clearence from allied nations. Now they were going to travel to the 100nm border of Feline Catfish with their Soviet modified oil tankers. On these tankers were no fuel tanks, instead they each had thirty concealable missile hard-points. Fifteen could fire SA-N-12 GRIZZLYs, while the rest could fire the
3M-51 Alfa P-900 cruise missiles with active radar to enable anti-ship combat. A depth-charge was also installed on all ships, with active and passive sonar, in addition to sea and airborne radar. Inside, a grand total of 100,000 soldiers equiped with GSR36-A1s and RPG-22s were onboard the ships, with a grand total of 600 FA-22K tanks. 30,000 support personnel were also onboard the ships, along with a stockpile of rationed food and drinks. Each ship could hold 334 soldiers with 100 support personnel and 2 FA-22K tanks. The three hundred ships departed Romania to the border of Feline Catfish in groups of thirty ships each, seperated by 30nm per group, after sending the details via secure connection to allied nations protecting Feline Catfish, as they had NO markings on any ship; they just appeared to be civilian tankers.

Note: This IC statement is right after they returned (because of the restart due to the over aggressiveness of people, forgeting the fact that they never arrived):

SECURE TRANSMISSION
To: Feline Catfish Military Command
From: Princeps Gaylord Fokker IV of Great Romeo

If your nation ever feels threatened and needs help, we will help you. However, we must state at this time we have a most unussual method of transporting soldiers. We use modified civilian oil-tankers. So, if we state we are sending support over, that is the method of transport. The exact details of our ships are being sent to you now.
Mondoth
16-05-2005, 03:13
Mondoth would like to offer Feline Catfish and Vastiva a Non Agression Pact and we would like to open trade negotiations with both nations; our primary export is oil but we also export various strategic metals and uranium. Also, Feline Catfish might wish to consider member ship in the MAP (link in sig; Mutual AId Pact of Less Powerful Nations)
Pacific Northwesteria
16-05-2005, 14:15
Mondoth would like to offer Feline Catfish and Vastiva a Non Agression Pact and we would like to open trade negotiations with both nations; our primary export is oil but we also export various strategic metals and uranium. Also, Feline Catfish might wish to consider member ship in the MAP (link in sig; Mutual AId Pact of Less Powerful Nations)
[link in where now?]
Findan
16-05-2005, 19:59
OOC: The problem is you can't be fair to both sides in this instance. FC did nothing wrong, and is under no compulsion to sign away their rights. On the other hand, the bunch of twinkies trying to invade a new player in a dogpile have no leg to stand on - if they did, we'd chew it off. How can there be "fair" in this? To give the twinkies any concession means they are right - and they're not only not right, they've shown utter n00bishness in attempting to mow under a new nation who didn't attack anyone.
OOC: Your correct. Well at least the other side backed down.
IC: The Imperial Land of Findan wishes to sign a non-aggresion pact with Vastiva. The Imperial Land of Findan wishes to also sign a trade pact with Vastivia.

Mathiew III,
Emperor,
Imperial Land of Findan.

Sir Charles Hassahoff,
Foreign Minister,
Imperial Land of Findan.

Sir Sebastin O'Neal,
Commerce Minister,
Imperial Land of Findan.

Sir Reginald Cooper,
Defense Minister,
Imperial Land of Findan.
Mondoth
16-05-2005, 23:51
[link in where now?]
the link is in my signature (sig) if you cannot view signatures (which is the default setting I think) then you can change your settings from the 'profile' link found in the upper left corner of the forum browser
Vastiva
17-05-2005, 01:51
OOC: Your correct. Well at least the other side backed down.
IC: The Imperial Land of Findan wishes to sign a non-aggresion pact with Vastiva. The Imperial Land of Findan wishes to also sign a trade pact with Vastivia.

Mathiew III,
Emperor,
Imperial Land of Findan.

Sir Charles Hassahoff,
Foreign Minister,
Imperial Land of Findan.

Sir Sebastin O'Neal,
Commerce Minister,
Imperial Land of Findan.

Sir Reginald Cooper,
Defense Minister,
Imperial Land of Findan.

Ab-shalom and greetings,

It is the desire of the Sultanate of Vastiva to open and maintain strong diplomatic and economic relations with all nations desirous of such. We therefore offer an exchange of embassies and ambassadors, and a beginning of free trade between our nations.

We would consider a non-aggression pact, provided such does not attempt to override prior agreements.

If this meets with your approval, please communicate by any means.

Go in Peace,

Namaste,
Raahmid Javani
Grand Vizier,
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva
Neoma
17-05-2005, 23:32
Official Response

The choice is yours. A wise ruler would stay out of this region completely, as you have no reason to be here.

You have been properly warned; we will do your ships the courtesy of warning them beforehand, and allowing lifeboats time enough to be picked up afterwards.

If it is your desire to go to WAR over that which does not concern you in the first place, we must conceed you are indeed a fool who knows nothing of rulership - for the first concern of a ruler is his people, not a nation far distant which has no contact with them.

Our treaties with Feline Catfish are signed. Our trade will more then make up for the non-existant trade Neoma had and will have with Feline Catfish in the future.

The next move is yours.

Responding to the other post.

I will not force my nations ships to maneuver around these waters, They may if they wish but to beat the "competition" back to the ports with there hulls full of Caviar they may decide to cut some corners, and if they are stooped and arrested you will find that like i have said before i will ask you once to return them and the ship, and if you do not i will simply FORCE you to give them to us.

Also i have just thought of a way to deal with this, Licenses, not like a hunting license but like a passage license, any boat who does not buy one will be impounded and fined... I feel this is fair to all party's involved as long as the prices are fairly set
Iuthia
18-05-2005, 00:14
I will not force my nations ships to maneuver around these waters, they may if they wish but to beat the "competition" back to the ports with there hulls full of Caviar they may decide to cut some corners, and if they are stopped and arrested you will find that, like I have said before, I will ask you at once to return them and the ship, if you do not I will simply FORCE you to give them to us.

If your civilian vessel incist on trespassing in other nations waters then it is clearly their own fault. They will be warned that they are not permitted to enter Feline Catfish waters and they will have the choice of either following such warning or taking the risk of arrest.

We advise that the Neoma Government doesn't threaten force should such a vessel be arrested. Threatening the use of force to get criminals back from another nation would essentially confirm that your government supports such criminal activities, it also shows that the Neoma Government is prepared to declare war over their own people's stupidity... Would the Neoma Government declare war on Iuthia should your own merchants choose to steal our fish too? Would you declare war on Iuthia when we arrest them and seize their goods?

I should hope not...

Reguardless we will watch how this situation will pan out... if you really incist on committing military action against Vastiva for arresting your criminals then we will be interested in watching them (and possibily their allies too) deal with such a poorly thought out action.

Our suggestion is simple: if you really want to fish in Feline Catfishes waters, you had better make friends... you can't demand that your people be allowed access into their waters as they simply won't listen and will arrest any merchant who tries without permission, you don't have the military capabilty to force Vastiva and Feline Catfish to do anything. Better yet, fish in your own damn waters.

Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps
Vastiva
19-05-2005, 09:00
Responding to the other post.

I will not force my nations ships to maneuver around these waters, They may if they wish but to beat the "competition" back to the ports with there hulls full of Caviar they may decide to cut some corners, and if they are stooped and arrested you will find that like i have said before i will ask you once to return them and the ship, and if you do not i will simply FORCE you to give them to us.

Also i have just thought of a way to deal with this, Licenses, not like a hunting license but like a passage license, any boat who does not buy one will be impounded and fined... I feel this is fair to all party's involved as long as the prices are fairly set

Official Response

You... are going to force me to give back your people.

I see.

We have decided rather then keeping any of your vessels afloat, we will be sure to use their hulls for target practice, and most likely any of your people who display an attitude alike yours will have impromptu swimming lessons.

We won't mention the sharks.

So we will repeat - if any of your vessels broaches Feline Catfish waters - which, as has been repeatedly stated you have never been in prior to these events, your ships will be boarded as trespassers, your cargo seized and crews arrested.

This will be communicated to any vessel which comes within our "danger zone" range of within five nautical miles of the border. Failure to comply with national boundaries will be seen to with haste.

And we have plenty of new toys to try out on your ships should you attempt again to try our patience or our mercy.

Fleet Admiral Ishtar Mesfin al-Din
Commander
8th Vastivan Fleet
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva
Findan
19-05-2005, 15:41
Ab-shalom and greetings,

It is the desire of the Sultanate of Vastiva to open and maintain strong diplomatic and economic relations with all nations desirous of such. We therefore offer an exchange of embassies and ambassadors, and a beginning of free trade between our nations.

We would consider a non-aggression pact, provided such does not attempt to override prior agreements.

If this meets with your approval, please communicate by any means.

Go in Peace,

Namaste,
Raahmid Javani
Grand Vizier,
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

It does meet with our approval.
Feline Catfish
20-05-2005, 20:23
"Any attempt to breach the 200nm economic exclusion zone or 100nm territorial waters of Feline Catfish shall result in the offending ship being impounded or destroyed. We shall not tolerate fisheries violations."

King George of Catfish