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This thread shall serve all OOC purposes relating to the Crisis of Secession IC thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=417190

For convenience I have reposted the rules and OOC information below.



It’s very simple. The Generian province of Buchiana has rebelled, and the Imperial foothold has broken. The 40th army has been sent in to reclaim the province and crush the rebellion, and a request for support has been extended from both the Buchianan Liberation Army (BLA) and the Generian Imperial Government.

The Rules:

1) This RP is open to any and everyone who wishes to join, as long as they are of at least decent role-playing caliber. May 2005 nations are just as welcome as January 2003 nations. I want to seek as much a balance between new, fresh RPers and old, experienced ones as possible. We shall not discriminate based on nation age and population.

2) I want this to be as balanced an affair as possible, both to keep things manageable and as much fun as possible for everyone who wants to get involved. Therefore, no one shall be permitted to deploy more than 200 soldiers, be they peacekeepers, special forces, pilots, or frontline grunts. Remember that no matter who you choose to support, the small BLA guerilla movements and militias, or the large, brute-force oriented Imperial army, you will find advantages. This is not a numbers war, and is intended to focus highly on smaller, specialized operations occurring beside large campaigns and full-scale operations. If you manage to lose a huge majority of your forces, you may request via TG to me, or in the soon to be posted OOC thread to reinforce your numbers, and I may or may not permit it based on the situation and status of IC events.

3) There will be no godmoding, as I assume you assume. This rule is self-explanatory. If you believe that Godmoding has or is occurring, discuss it over a messenger service, through NS telegrams, or for larger issues, in the soon to be established OOC thread, where these rules will be reposted. I ask that everyone be reasonable and realistic in their combat losses and other related statistics.

General Information:

First off, as I said, this is not intended to be a numbers war on the part of the nations who intervene or involve themselves in the conflict. The situation should call into use the full extent of your wit and wile, your high technology (no FT please), along with any understanding (or lack thereof) of military tactics. The Imperial 40th army is of course going to be using the full extent of her numbers and general brute force, but there will also be specialized operations being undertaken on behalf of the Imperial government by the Imperial special forces units, and the Generian Imperial Intelligence Service (GIIS).

The BLA, though it may not look it, is in nature a balanced foe for the Imperial army. Though they do not currently have the supplies needed to wage extended war against their numerically superior foe, with outside covert involvement on their behalf, their competent commanders and willing following will be able to run a guerilla, and in some cases an overt war for independence. It is the job of the interventionists to supply and aid the BLA in target elimination in order to give them that extra edge they need.

On the other hand, the Imperial army, while larger and more technologically capable, is very much a hulking beast. It should be the initial strategy of the rebels to target the mobility and later the morale of the Imperial army, to eliminate the overwhelming advantage of numbers, thus forcing the Generian government to wage a smaller scale war on the level of the BLA rebels. Still, the men of the 40th army are hardened soldiers, and will fight hard. Their leaders are some of the brightest military minds in Generia, and will go to whatever means necessary to secure victory in Buchiana. They are never to be underestimated.

There will often be contracts issued by both sides and possible third parties for assassinations and specified operations, in order to keep things moving along. When these contracts are issued in an IC fashion, claim your OOCly and ICly. They will be granted on a first-come first-serve basis. Please respect prior claims to these contracts and specific operations, as I realize good posts take time to write.

I am also looking for one or more parties wishing to play the roles of international reporters covering the conflict. The setting is perfect kindling for war crimes and atrocities, so having the press on the scene would definitely make things more interesting, and give the Imperial government a headache.

I aim for this to be a return to at least my memories of the NS glory days, and thus am taking care to organize this properly with these initial guidelines and explanations. I’ve seen a lot of talk in the forums about boredom and anger at the state of NS affairs, and so I hope to do my part to bring a small bit of amusement back to II. Now, ladies and gentlemen, with no further ado, let the games begin.

*These terms are subject to additions, which will be posted and highlighted in the OOC thread.

The Sides

Generian Imperial Government:

The Island of Rose

The Dracun Imperium

The Infinite Crucible (double agent)

The BLA/Rebel Movement:

Theao

The Infinite Crucible

Letharn

Neutral

Verghastinsel

Standing Contracts and Status

Target 1

Name: Rourask Andropov

Known Activities: Racketeering

Information: Andropov’s been on the New Bucharest PD radar screen for years. He was known to operate several brothels and other business of less than respectable repute. We figured out a few years ago he was funneling some of his profits into BLA operations, and he’s been a full member since last year. He’s a notorious coward, and won’t put up much of a fight, though I wouldn’t be surprised if he had a few BLA heavies working with him. Intel reports he’s working out of a small whorehouse in a town just northwest of Fort Lew.

Reward: 5,000 Genera (G)

Status: Contract Completed-The Island of Rose

Target 2

Name: Burian Ivanovic

Known Activities: Extortion, small time muscle

Information: Ivanovic is little more than a common thug. Him and his men were used during the pre-secession years to bully the local populations into swearing loyalty to the BLA, and “donating” supplies and funds to the operatives. Expect him to have a working knowledge of firearms, and about a dozen armed guards. He’s reported to be hiding out just outside the village where Andropov’s lurking, probably directing the BLA units ordered to protect the finance man. A well co-ordinated attack could make this a double-snag.

Reward: 5,000G

Status: Open

Target 3

Name: Bohuslaw Ruriska

Known Activities: Embezzling

Information: Bohuslaw’s another of the BLA’s finance men, primarily responsible for hacking oversees accounts and transferring funds to the BLA’s (and his own personal) coffers. He’s not known to be a particularly loyal operative, and likes money more than the cause. Chances are the BLA will send their own thugs to take him out soon enough, considering him more of a liability than anything else. As much as possible, we want this one alive. His lack of loyalty and position means that he may have information on the whereabouts of the higher echelon BLA suppliers and monetary donors. He’s hiding out near an abandoned airstrip just south of the Northern Imperial Garrison, probably using the control antennas to tap into commercial satellites.

Reward 7,500G

Status: Contract Botched - The Infinite Crucible

Target 4

Name: Cestmir Andropov

Known Activities: Finance Advisor to midlevel BLA commanders

Information: The older of the Andropov brothers is currently overseeing a good deal of the BLA finance operations. He’ll be a little tougher to snag than the others, and will most likely have a good deal of BLA guards covering him. Still, he’s not one to want to face direct fire, and will most likely attempt escape under cover of his men. His base of operations is located in a town a few kilometers northeast of Fort Lew, in the basement of the “café Deska.” We expect that he knows the activities and whereabouts of several higher ups. As with the others, take him alive.

Reward: 10,000G

Status: Contract Completed - The Rejected Nation

Target 5

Name: Boris Greghov

Known Activites: Sabotage, Raiding Supply Convoys

Intel: This guy’s a dyed in the wool BLA hardman. He runs operations along the highways between the garrisons and the Lew valley, and has a good number of professional BLA scouts and saboteurs at his disposal in addition to the usual foot soldiers. We’ve been seeing a lot of his men probing around Fort Lew recently, and so chances are he, or someone higher, is planning something. Your objective is simple. He’s hiding out in a large camp a few miles west of the Lew highway running from the garrisons to Fort Lew. Capturing him won’t do anyone much good. He’s not one to sell out his friends. So get in there and put a bullet in his brain instead. This should cut off the BLA line of information somewhat. Good luck.

Reward: 12,000 Genera

Status: Completed - Shenyang

Target 6

Name: Damek Krekov

Known Activities: Recruitment of BLA operatives, Management of BLA Finance Operations

Intel: This guy is a major pain in the ass. He’s been running BLA recruitment covertly for five years and has posts set up all over the northern countryside. The largest one of these is an old fuel refinery on the edge of the northern farmlands. He’s also the last major BLA financier in the area, and it’s expected that upwards of 4 billion dollars have passed through oversees accounts he manages. He’s bound to have information on account numbers and lists of the newest recruits and higher level commanders should be lying around his headquarters. We need him alive at all costs. However, if any of his underlings escape the refinery, the accounts he manages will most likely be closed. You must make sure no one gets out alive, no small task owing to the number of guards he has running around in there. You’ll need to be fast and hit hard. No screw ups. If you find any lists of recruits, snag them and call in an airstrike to blow up the refinery.

Reward: 15,000 Genera

Status: OOC reserved for Bettora on account of a management error on my part

Target 7

Name: Tibro Vrantasha

Known Activities: BLA Military Operations in the Garrison-Lew Strip

Intel: This is a big one. This is the man responsible for running security and heavy operations against Generian forces in the area. He’s the one directing the preparations for the Imperial assault across the strip. He’s got a lot at his disposal, high tech comms equipment, guns, and armored vehicles. He’s set up a base right smack dab between us and the Garrisons. Good news is, he’s probably too preoccupied with directing his forces to worry about anyone stealthily penetrating his flank. I strongly advise you not to take this guy on in a straight up fight. He will win. He has about 3,000 soldiers at his beck and call, and if you want to stay alive, you’ll sneak up on him. The stories about this guy are the stuff of legend. Some say he’s fought a full-grown bull to the death with his own hands. I recommend neutralizing him before taking him into custody.

Reward: 15,000 Genera

Status: In Progress - The Rejected Nation

Target 8

Name: Rastislav Vletisha

Known Activities: BLA Forward Observation, Communications

Intel: Think of this guy as the BLA’s answer to GIIS in the area. He’s in charge of monitoring operations, communications, and troop movements, and reporting them to the higher gods. He’s using a small radio station in a village forty kilometers southwest of Fort Lew to broadcast his intel. From what we can see, he’s utilizing some pretty high tech stuff, only a few years out of date by GIIS standards, and that’s saying something. If you can take him alive, but he’s probably got a cyanide pill in his pocket, so you’ll have to be fast. Once you’ve got him, blow the station and take out the equipment, then get the hell out of there before the BLA reinforcements arrive.

Reward: 18,000 Genera

Status: In Progress - TIOR/Doomingsland

Hi Tom, we talked about this on MSN. Just to say I'm doing my opening post now. Looking forward to this.

Good start of a new era of RPs - i hope

Will post full military stats, here? or in other thread?

Generia, contact me on MSN IM. We must, talk x.x

Stats of the Ultra Class

Length: 1,699 feet
Width: 550 feet
Powerplant: 4 Nuclear reactors 2 Deisel-Electric Generators KW-5
Propulsion: 2 bow thrusters, 5 submersible turbines
Top Speed: 36 knots
Aircraft Catapaults: 6
Elevators: 6
Total Aircraft: 106 + 12 helicopters
Weapons
(12) 20" coilguns
(4) 16" cannons
(1) 6" coilgun
(6) 30mm Phalanx CIWS
(8) 700mm Torpedo tubes
(20) cell HLS for Harp00n, SS-N-22 cruise missiles or Exocets
(32) cell VLS for SA-101 SAMs
(60) cell VLS for tomahawk, hatchet, battle axe, or harpoon cruise missiles, or SM-2 missiles

Designed by Phoenix Militia

(Look at up and coming post)

I am very interested in getting involved in this conflict, most likely on the side of the rebels. I am not sure what I will be sending yet, but will make sure my RP'ing is of the very highest quality in order to improve the thread. See you soon... heh heh... erhm just forget that.

I'm on the side of the rebels, covertly thought.

Generia, contact me on MSN IM. We must, talk x.x

You're going to have to TG me your Email/contact name or post it here, since i can't get the profile info to display so i can get it.

The TG is in your inbox.

tag

Just figured I would give everyone a heads up. My nation is working for Buchiana's freedom in this conflict, but after the conflicts end no one can really be sure. Anyway, if you have read my post I am sending in forces on both sides. The forces on the Generic Empire side are basically double agents. Just wanted to make sure everyone knew, so no one was caught of guard by it.

Good start of a new era of RPs - i hope

Will post full military stats, here? or in other thread?

You may post in either, though it may be a good idea to have them here too if you make another thread, just for convenience.

Speaking of, for convenience I have reposted the standing contract list for the Generian 40th Army, and will post the BLA list once I get it up. It's first come first serve depending on who posts first in the IC thread.

To clarify on the contracts. You may RP the entire operation on most of the operations, including enemy casualties, and the capture or elimination of the target. In some of the more important operations, I will state clearly that the engagement must be roleplayed either against me, or another player. If the target info says that Generian support (air, infantry, artillery, etc.) is available, you may RP calling in that support, and its arrival. I am trusting everyone to be realistic here.

I am assuming that my offer was accepted, since I've gotten no response, and you said that C A D should participate. If not let me know.

I am assuming that my offer was accepted, since I've gotten no response, and you said that C A D should participate. If not let me know.

Hang on, I'll get you a response. I've got alot to respond to, so hold your horses.

Letharn is giving economic support to the rebels, just so you know.

Also they have agents in the field who or may not start shooting at people

This thread shall serve all OOC purposes relating to the Crisis of Secession IC thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=417190

For convenience I have reposted the rules and OOC information below.



It’s very simple. The Generian province of Buchiana has rebelled, and the Imperial foothold has broken. The 40th army has been sent in to reclaim the province and crush the rebellion, and a request for support has been extended from both the Buchianan Liberation Army (BLA) and the Generian Imperial Government.

The Rules:

1) This RP is open to any and everyone who wishes to join, as long as they are of at least decent role-playing caliber. May 2005 nations are just as welcome as January 2003 nations. I want to seek as much a balance between new, fresh RPers and old, experienced ones as possible. We shall not discriminate based on nation age and population.

2) I want this to be as balanced an affair as possible, both to keep things manageable and as much fun as possible for everyone who wants to get involved. Therefore, no one shall be permitted to deploy more than 200 soldiers, be they peacekeepers, special forces, pilots, or frontline grunts. Remember that no matter who you choose to support, the small BLA guerilla movements and militias, or the large, brute-force oriented Imperial army, you will find advantages. This is not a numbers war, and is intended to focus highly on smaller, specialized operations occurring beside large campaigns and full-scale operations. If you manage to lose a huge majority of your forces, you may request via TG to me, or in the soon to be posted OOC thread to reinforce your numbers, and I may or may not permit it based on the situation and status of IC events.

3) There will be no godmoding, as I assume you assume. This rule is self-explanatory. If you believe that Godmoding has or is occurring, discuss it over a messenger service, through NS telegrams, or for larger issues, in the soon to be established OOC thread, where these rules will be reposted. I ask that everyone be reasonable and realistic in their combat losses and other related statistics.

General Information:

First off, as I said, this is not intended to be a numbers war on the part of the nations who intervene or involve themselves in the conflict. The situation should call into use the full extent of your wit and wile, your high technology (no FT please), along with any understanding (or lack thereof) of military tactics. The Imperial 40th army is of course going to be using the full extent of her numbers and general brute force, but there will also be specialized operations being undertaken on behalf of the Imperial government by the Imperial special forces units, and the Generian Imperial Intelligence Service (GIIS).

The BLA, though it may not look it, is in nature a balanced foe for the Imperial army. Though they do not currently have the supplies needed to wage extended war against their numerically superior foe, with outside covert involvement on their behalf, their competent commanders and willing following will be able to run a guerilla, and in some cases an overt war for independence. It is the job of the interventionists to supply and aid the BLA in target elimination in order to give them that extra edge they need.

On the other hand, the Imperial army, while larger and more technologically capable, is very much a hulking beast. It should be the initial strategy of the rebels to target the mobility and later the morale of the Imperial army, to eliminate the overwhelming advantage of numbers, thus forcing the Generian government to wage a smaller scale war on the level of the BLA rebels. Still, the men of the 40th army are hardened soldiers, and will fight hard. Their leaders are some of the brightest military minds in Generia, and will go to whatever means necessary to secure victory in Buchiana. They are never to be underestimated.

There will often be contracts issued by both sides and possible third parties for assassinations and specified operations, in order to keep things moving along. When these contracts are issued in an IC fashion, claim your OOCly and ICly. They will be granted on a first-come first-serve basis. Please respect prior claims to these contracts and specific operations, as I realize good posts take time to write.

I am also looking for one or more parties wishing to play the roles of international reporters covering the conflict. The setting is perfect kindling for war crimes and atrocities, so having the press on the scene would definitely make things more interesting, and give the Imperial government a headache.

I aim for this to be a return to at least my memories of the NS glory days, and thus am taking care to organize this properly with these initial guidelines and explanations. I’ve seen a lot of talk in the forums about boredom and anger at the state of NS affairs, and so I hope to do my part to bring a small bit of amusement back to II. Now, ladies and gentlemen, with no further ado, let the games begin.

*These terms are subject to additions, which will be posted and highlighted in the OOC thread.

The Sides

Generian Imperial Government:

The Island of Rose

The Dracun Imperium

The Infinite Crucible (double agent)

The BLA/Rebel Movement:

Theao

The Infinite Crucible

Neutral

Verghastinsel

Standing Contracts and Status

Target 1

Name: Rourask Andropov

Known Activities: Racketeering

Information: Andropov’s been on the New Bucharest PD radar screen for years. He was known to operate several brothels and other business of less than respectable repute. We figured out a few years ago he was funneling some of his profits into BLA operations, and he’s been a full member since last year. He’s a notorious coward, and won’t put up much of a fight, though I wouldn’t be surprised if he had a few BLA heavies working with him. Intel reports he’s working out of a small whorehouse in a town just northwest of Fort Lew.

Reward: 5,000 Genera (G)

Status: In Progress-The Island of Rose

Target 2

Name: Burian Ivanovic

Known Activities: Extortion, small time muscle

Information: Ivanovic is little more than a common thug. Him and his men were used during the pre-secession years to bully the local populations into swearing loyalty to the BLA, and “donating” supplies and funds to the operatives. Expect him to have a working knowledge of firearms, and about a dozen armed guards. He’s reported to be hiding out just outside the village where Andropov’s lurking, probably directing the BLA units ordered to protect the finance man. A well co-ordinated attack could make this a double-snag.

Reward: 5,000G

Status: Open

Target 3

Name: Bohuslaw Ruriska

Known Activities: Embezzling

Information: Bohuslaw’s another of the BLA’s finance men, primarily responsible for hacking oversees accounts and transferring funds to the BLA’s (and his own personal) coffers. He’s not known to be a particularly loyal operative, and likes money more than the cause. Chances are the BLA will send their own thugs to take him out soon enough, considering him more of a liability than anything else. As much as possible, we want this one alive. His lack of loyalty and position means that he may have information on the whereabouts of the higher echelon BLA suppliers and monetary donors. He’s hiding out near an abandoned airstrip just south of the Northern Imperial Garrison, probably using the control antennas to tap into commercial satellites.

Reward 7,500G

Status: Open

Target 4

Name: Cestmir Andropov

Known Activities: Finance Advisor to midlevel BLA commanders

Information: The older of the Andropov brothers is currently overseeing a good deal of the BLA finance operations. He’ll be a little tougher to snag than the others, and will most likely have a good deal of BLA guards covering him. Still, he’s not one to want to face direct fire, and will most likely attempt escape under cover of his men. His base of operations is located in a town a few kilometers northeast of Fort Lew, in the basement of the “café Deska.” We expect that he knows the activities and whereabouts of several higher ups. As with the others, take him alive.

Reward: 10,000G

Status: In Progress-The Rejected Nation


If you don't have an issue with non-humans I'll join in for the rebels.

Sorry MM, for realism reasons, I've got to limit this to human only, MT and near future tech only. If you want to switch things up and play as human,s you're more than welcome, but as I discovered with my last thread, having non-humans and wierd techs mixed with MT is just too out of place.

Sorry MM, for realism reasons, I've got to limit this to human only, MT and near future tech only. If you want to switch things up and play as human,s you're more than welcome, but as I discovered with my last thread, having non-humans and wierd techs mixed with MT is just too out of place.

OOC: it's all right, I get that alot, I'm used to it by now. I'm actually MTish(no real applicable tech level), but I get what you mean.

I am going to go after Bohuslaw Ruriska with my double agents. I dont think he will be spilling any information...

Is it okay if I have a cruise missile armed arsenal sub off the coast, to provide artillery support for my ODST? That way they can get precision support when Generian forces can't assist with fire support and air strikes, or when a specific point needs to be destroyed. If not then it'll just sit there and look ominous, and probably as an extraction point for my ODST.

sorry i havent posted yet, my computors been in turmoil and my last post died when it froze.

I was out for the evening, and will be going out again for the day. I'll post responses later this evening.

Is it okay if I have a cruise missile armed arsenal sub off the coast, to provide artillery support for my ODST? That way they can get precision support when Generian forces can't assist with fire support and air strikes, or when a specific point needs to be destroyed. If not then it'll just sit there and look ominous, and probably as an extraction point for my ODST.

You can, but you have to clear it with the Imperial military authorities before each attack, if you want to follow the rules of engagement, that is, and not piss of General Nriv'ka.

That shouldn't be a problem, I think the ODST can stop showing disrespect to everyone around them long enough to do that.

Ugghh, I missed alot. Anything for me to do? You know, any villages to massacre or anything like that?

I know that my latest post was pretty pretty weak, don't remind me.

RB, with regard to your question, unless you have forces previously deployed in the area, which you may well have, seeing as you have bases in Generia, you should make a deployment post. Also, please post all further OOC questions and whatnot in this OOC thread.

G.E. are you going to reply to my dude.

More replies are coming.

Any objections to having my guys ambush the Kroblexskiji forces?

Any objections to having my guys ambush the Kroblexskiji forces?

Of course not. I actively encourage it. Also, with regard to the relative size of Buchiana, it's about the size of Yugoslavia. Climate is cold and damp most of the year, especially in the autumn and winter months.

Oh man, I've been made. On my first mission too, sigh. Mind if I have Dirk and Jolly escape when you try to capture them, just to keep the team going. Also, RB feel free to interrogate my men, but dont think it will be easy. Some may break though.

Oh man, I've been made. On my first mission too, sigh. Mind if I have Dirk and Jolly escape when you try to capture them, just to keep the team going. Also, RB feel free to interrogate my men, but dont think it will be easy. Some may break though.

Gotcha there didn't I? I've got no problem with Dirk and Jolly escaping. Could add a good bit to the RP.

Mind if I rp both sides of the capture of my forces for convienence? I understant if you dont want me too. Don't worry I wont god mode. Also, I had a great idea. A later mission could be the capture of Dirk or Jolly. I think that could add a fun twist. Would be a extremely tough mission to capture Dirk and difficult to get Jolly.

Any objections to having my guys ambush the Kroblexskiji forces?
yeh go on, you can tg or add me to msn or play by ear.
Karmapolice01@hotmail.com

check my UBER SECRET battle plans that may be possibly lost or obtained by people. ;)

There's still one more open Generian Army contract. A newcomer should take it. Also, some people should seize the opportunity and attack the Krob convoy.

Mind if I rp both sides of the capture of my forces for convienence? I understant if you dont want me too. Don't worry I wont god mode. Also, I had a great idea. A later mission could be the capture of Dirk or Jolly. I think that could add a fun twist. Would be a extremely tough mission to capture Dirk and difficult to get Jolly.

I don't mind, as long as you keep things fair and balanced, which I'm sure you will. good idea with the future contract for Dirk and Jolly.

Generic, can use my naval assets to blockade or insert troops? I mean I'm less than 4 hours sailing time from the province.

GE, Can I round up some BLA guys to support my troops when we ambush the Krobs?

After going through several posts it seems as if the BLA is just lining up and letting itself be shot to death, since they seem to be standing around doing absolutely nothing, yet they were the ones to instigate the conflict, not the other way around, and so therefore they shoud be on the offensive, trying to kick you out, not waiting around for Spec Ops to pummel their leaders to death.

As in Vietnam, although the US was often on the offensive, the North Vietnamese Army was also on the offensive as illustrated by the Tet Offensive. And even after that practically desintigrated the NVA, the Viet Cong continued the offensive through infiltration of enemy lines and guerilla warfare in the jungles west and north of major South Vietnamese cities.

In Afghanistan, the situation was different. The Soviets sent in paratroopers disguised in commerical charter flights for shock, and then captured Kabul, Kandahar, and other major Afghan cities with little or no effort at all. The downfall was that despite the "advanced" technology and superior numbers of the Soviets (Many Afghans fought with the Mosin-Nagant bolt-action rifle, and Soviet troops once captured an FT 17 French WWI tank), the Afghani knowledge of the rough, mountainous terrain allowed them to hide when necessary and attack when advantageous, the numerous caves offered endless hiding spots, supplies and arms stockpiles could be stored anywhere, the fighters were well motivated, and the locals were generally against the Soviets and contributed supplies wherever and whenever.

In Chechnya, the Russians again face well-motivated fighters and a populace that is generally against them. Chechnya isn't well contained and supplies are frequently smuggled across the borders of Russia. The Russian army is generally demoralized, being (or had been) partially made up of subscripted men. Victories, if they could be called that are temporary. A building cleared of rebels one week, is often filled with more terrorists the next week. As with all guerilla wars, captures of cities, the destruction of rebel strongholds and assets (such as radio stations), don't do much since a guerilla war means that the guerillas can survive indefinately, blending in with other natives, or hiding in remote areas, coming out to strike when it is advantageous. An issue most often criticized by Western nations (well mainly the US) is that the Russian method of rooting out fighters, that is sending tanks and BMPs to smash and destroy apartment buildings, generally doesn't work and only pisses the populace even more and causes more to join the ranks of the rebels.

In summary, the BLA seems to fall into none of the above categories. It sits in open farmland which is untenable (which means if this RP is supposedly realistic with consideration to the supplies/training the BLA have, you should have kicked the crap out of them by now), has insanely unprotected commanders (somehow they let enemies just waltz in and kill or capture them), and allow them to be stationary targets ( I just love how the exact location, down to the building, is known of high ranking secretive, underground, people who are srrounded by at least a squad of loyal soldiers. Do you really think a guy is going to wait in a radio station until you bomb the crap out of him. I mean look at Osama bin Ladin. New cave every week. ;))

The worst problem is that the BLA isn't doing squat (You'd think they'd be doing more since there homes are being invaded, their families are in danger, and their culture is in danger of total destruction). They aren't taking the offensive at all and is just sitting, or rather, parked in front of Generian military bases which is wholely unrealistic. You would have either massacred them, or they would be taking the offensive. I'm sure their doing token attacks, and I know BLA sympethizers are doing attacks here and there, but where are the massive Tet Offfenses, coordinated insurgant attacks, and disorder that is typical in this kind of affair?

I just thought I'd bring it up. Sorry if I am too blunt, annoying, big-meanie, asshole, etc. ( I don't really mean to).

Separately, and unrelated to what is said above, I was wondering if, to incite the wrath of Generians, if I am able to attack the capital. nothing big mind you, no NBCs or anything just a car bomb or suicide bomber that kills a maximum of 12, "unimportant" civilians because like in Vietnam (Saigon), Afghanistan (sporatic raids into Kazakhstan), and Chechnya (Moscow), sucide bombings are a rather common appearance. Just let me know if I'm able to or not.

Hmm... well good point. Don't worry I will be doing what I can now to strike at generic forces. Also Generic I know you are busy, but can you publish some BLA missions. I must give you props though on how much you have put into this.

GE, I'm on your side, too.

Novgova, chill. I don't have a ton of time on my hands, and at the moment I'm dealing with responses to the posts that have already occured, mostly stuff that has to deal with the Generian 40th army. I told everyone that I'd get BLA contract lists up soon enough, and right now the sides are pretty balanced with numbers of supporters on each side, so don't worry. You'll get your chances to kick Generian asses, just hang in there.

Also, you have to understand the scenario. You reference the NVA, and the Tet offensive, but you forget that that was a turning point in the war marking the transition from the Vietcong as the major player to the involvement of the NVA as a cohesive offensive army. Buchiana has no true army, yet that is. This is a very very early stage of the war, and you can't pretend to know the infinite possible number of shifts in the tides of war.

Alright, one last post in relation to all of this. The prupose of this is to be fun. In order to do that, sometimes we have to suspend a little realism. How much fun would it be if every time i sent out a contract, the guy just moved? Or how much fun would it be to have to RP every little detail of combing the countryside for one unimportant $10,000 contract. If you don't appreciate this, so be it. I'll turn it all over to you, and let you do whatever the fuck you want with it, but don't expect any more involvement from me.

Novgova, chill. I don't have a ton of time on my hands, and at the moment I'm dealing with responses to the posts that have already occured, mostly stuff that has to deal with the Generian 40th army. I told everyone that I'd get BLA contract lists up soon enough, and right now the sides are pretty balanced with numbers of supporters on each side, so don't worry. You'll get your chances to kick Generian asses, just hang in there.

I just thought I'd bring it up. Sorry if I am too blunt, annoying, big-meanie, asshole, etc. ( I don't really mean to).

I put that disclaimer in because yes i did understand I probably came off as an asshole. I did figure you didn't have much time, and rather my tirade wasn't completely aimed at you per se, but rather everyone who can magically make all of their problems with a single FA-18 or Cobra gunship, or those who think their guys could just waltz in Rambo-style, magically not getting hurt or seen by BLA people. it just doesn't work out that way. People die. Not every mission is a success. I am willing, if necessary, to lose every single character I post, because i accept the risk. i just love how helicopters can land without detection, but yet the BLA supposedly have at least modern equipment such as radar that would easily see them miles away and would result in them getting shot down. i just think a few of people are incredibly one sided, and not capable of seeing the fact that one side does have advantages and disadvantages and that not everything comes off perfectly and not everyone is a hero. (I mean go ahead. Kill off all my guys)

Also, you have to understand the scenario. You reference the NVA, and the Tet offensive, but you forget that that was a turning point in the war marking the transition from the Vietcong as the major player to the involvement of the NVA as a cohesive offensive army.

My point was the North Vietnamese were on the offensive mostly.

Buchiana has no true army, yet that is. This is a very very early stage of the war, and you can't pretend to know the infinite possible number of shifts in the tides of war.

Sorry, didn't know. I thought it was they had an army, then get mauled, and then resort to the Vietnam, Afghan, Chechnya -like environment.

Alright, one last post in relation to all of this. The prupose of this is to be fun. In order to do that, sometimes we have to suspend a little realism. How much fun would it be if every time i sent out a contract, the guy just moved?

Point taken. I just think it should be easier than a walk in, walk out deal. i didn't necessarily mean A "Moby Dick" epic.

Or how much fun would it be to have to RP every little detail of combing the countryside ofr one unimportant $10,000 contract.

Again point taken.

If you don't appreciate this, so be it. I'll turn it all over to you, and let you do whatever the fuck you want with it, but don't expect any more involvement from me.

I just thought I'd bring it up. Sorry if I am too blunt, annoying, big-meanie, asshole, etc. ( I don't really mean to).
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I can see your blood pressure rising through the internet (even though I don't you), and I seem to be causing you a great deal of distress. You seem like a nice person, and this is one of the better RPs in a long time. So if you feel I am a problem and if you want me to, I can remove myself from the RP (i'll delete my posts its no problem) and just never post again.

I suppose I did ignored your disclaimer completely, and for this i apologize. I don't know, i suppose after seeing most of my good thread ideas go down the tubes, i'm a little hasty in condemning this one. I'm grasping at straws a bit here in trying to make this thread entertaining for everyone, but I guess I can't make everyone happy. I have to say that your involvement has really been the deciding factor in bringing the BLA to life, and the only reason for this thread. I suppose I'm trying to limit myself more to a handler role than anything else, letting everyone else take control of the story, but everyone just has different ideas, different ways of visualizing the conflict in their mind's eye which makes it difficult to iterate things incorporating all of these views.

I certainly don't want you gone from the RP, since the only reason the BLA feels real is through your involvement, as I can't breathe life into the resistance the way you have. Above all, I apologize for my shortcomings in my portrayal of the rebels, and any other mistakes I may have made in keeping this fair and balanced.

Can I use BLA as reinforcements in my ambush?

Wirraway: Yes.
Letharn: Yes.
TIC: I'll get on it right now.

Also, Novgova, I was skimming over your post again, and I missed your request at the end of it. I was actually planning on incorporating something like that, an attack inside of Generia. A good target would probably be something in Sofia, the second largest city in the Empire, or Generia City, the capital.

GE, when you get a chance if you could give my men a mission too, that would be good. But no hurry.

I claim Contract 1 for the BLA just so i have a mission I can do. (Because I can't think of any)

GE, when you get a chance if you could give my men a mission too, that would be good. But no hurry.

I listed four. Pick one.

I'm on it. Thanks.

GE, when you get a chance could you give me an answer to whether or not I can send 6 of my new Cobra gunships. I posted it a while back in the IC thread about if I could, and I'm waiting patiently for a response. If this is the first time you've heard that I want to send them, then I'm sorry if I seem to be rushing you.

OOC: Tom, before I get into this, I have to know:

Are Saul Hudson, Mr. Black, Boo Radley, or Maj. Kirkov going to be involved in any way?

Because that would be manly.

OOC: Tom, before I get into this, I have to know:

Are Saul Hudson, Mr. Black, Boo Radley, or Maj. Kirkov going to be involved in any way?

Because that would be manly.

If you're getting involved, I'll expect to be hearing from Saul Hudson, and Boo Radley will probably be in country plying his trade. As for Mr. Black and our friend Major kirkov, you'll have to wait and see.

GE, when you get a chance could you give me an answer to whether or not I can send 6 of my new Cobra gunships. I posted it a while back in the IC thread about if I could, and I'm waiting patiently for a response. If this is the first time you've heard that I want to send them, then I'm sorry if I seem to be rushing you.

I remember seeing that, but I sort of forgot about it in my responses to you. In this case you can just interpret the absence of a no as a yes.

hey sorry for picking up a contract and dissapearing, had a lot on reccently. know i missed the target i said id go for just wondering whos left or if theres anything else you'd like the bettorians to help with.

Thanks

A note on the factions:

BLA

For the most part, the operatives of the BLA are a hardy unit who have been fighting Imperial forces in the region for nearly a decade from the period of the first war, through the occupation, and now openly in the second war of secession. They are in no way to be confused with the farmers and village minutemen who now make up the ranks of the Buchianan national army. BLA commanders are largely gleaned from former Buchianan army officers, who escaped capture after the end of the first war, and formed the various resistance cells that eventually united into what is now the BLA.

The freedom fighters of the BLA have also become competent soldiers, as the ones who don't know what they're doing never lasted long in the occupied territory. In other words, don't expect to be able to waltz into a BLA base camp without them noticing you, and come out without taking any bullets. More often than not, the areas around their camps will be monitored by scouts, and booby trapped.

BNA

The Buchianan National Army is not yet an existing body, but the BLA has begun a recruitment campaign throughout the southern province. The soldiers are largely volunteers, though occasionally recruitment is achieved through forcible coersion. These men are not experienced in the ways of war, but as Buchiana is largely rural, most come from hardy farm stock, and if properly trained, will become capable.

Generian 40th Army

The men of the 40th are time and battle tested warriors of impeccable training and combat experience. All have gone through the hellish training camps at Fort Kreschnev on the border of the frozen northern dominions, and all are veterans of Imperial campaigns from Psov to Alberia. The 40th army numbers about 850,000 soldiers, all told.

GIIS

The Generian Imperial Intelligence Service is to Generia what the KGB was to Russia. Free of the burden of limited intelligence sharing and separate bureaus, GIIS functions as a cohesive unit, managing both internal and external intelligence operations. GIIS is given full access to all government, military, and civilian resources including information databases, communications, and satellites. GIIS operatives are given trained heavily in all manner of firearm use and hand-to-hand combat. Exact GIIS manpower in the Buchianan station is unknown.

GIIS operations are divided into stations of varying size depending on the theater and situation. Each station is managed by a station chief, who reports directly to the director of intelligence in Generia City. GIIS takes care in preserving internal security, however, so often specific divisions, stations, and operatives will have little information on the unrelated activities of other divisions. Names of operatives are closely concealed, and non-official covers are more or less the rule of the day. Imperial armed forces are intended to operate closely with GIIS, but many of the station chiefs have a habit of withholding information from the military officers.

Remember, knowing your enemy is the first step to victory. Never expect an operation to be a walk in the park. Things can and will go wrong. RP it that way.

hey sorry for picking up a contract and dissapearing, had a lot on reccently. know i missed the target i said id go for just wondering whos left or if theres anything else you'd like the bettorians to help with.

Whoops. i made a huge mistake Bettora. I forgot that you claimed Greghov, and Shenyang took him instead. I'm really sorry about that. I can be an incompetent son of a bitch sometimes. However, there's still one more contract available, number 6 I think is still open. I'll reserve it for you, and if you don't want it, tell me.

This is me, Verghastinsel, just confirming that I am still interested in this thread. Unforseen circumstances led to my abcense from the rp, but if we're still going, then there shouldn't be any interruptions this time.

I'm still in, and this roll call proves it.

ROLL CALL!

Yeah, I went there. You heard me.

this is krob ready and awaiting the attack on my heli column

this is krob ready and awaiting the attack on my heli column

Glad to see you haven't gotten tired of waiting yet. Hopefully the roll call will spur some people into action against your forces sometime in this lifetime.

yeh , im rather glad i have had some no RP time because i have A LOT of OOC stuff to do

Shenyang, signing in. Awaiting something to do at Fort Lew, with permission I think I can make something up myself that will keep my guys busy for a little while. That way they don't just sit around looking cute in a highly menacing sort of way.

Shenyang, signing in. Awaiting something to do at Fort Lew, with permission I think I can make something up myself that will keep my guys busy for a little while. That way they don't just sit around looking cute in a highly menacing sort of way.

You can RP independently all you'd like. Just stay out of the Lew Valley, or you'll get yourself cut to ribbons.

yeh , im rather glad i have had some no RP time because i have A LOT of OOC stuff to do

I'll down you, just be patient as I too have a lot of RL things to do.

I realize everyone has RL stuff to do, since I'm the master of being too busy to post, but I just want to separate the people with RL stuff to do, and those who just dropped out of the RP without telling anyone.

I can't wait to commit mass acts of gross genocide. It's going to be fun, big time.

I'd like to do something, but I don't have a contract as of yet.

Once the people who have outstanding contracts finish posing, or are evicted from the RP if they don't reply to the roll call, then everyone will have plenty to do for a good long time.

Here... for the erhm... role call.
Sorry about no post, finals are coming up.

Study= :headbang:

Everyone who posted is clear and still involved. As of now, our numbers include:

Freudotopia, The Warmaster, Novgova, The Infinite Crucible, Doomingsland, Kroblexskij, Verghastinsel, Shenyang, Wirraway, and Zerbia.

Like I said in the IC thread, I realize that alot of us are students with finals coming up (my own next week) and can't be preoccupied with posts, but in the interest of keeping things moving, I'm going to be beginning the assault soon. I think that Doom, Freudotopia, and Novgova are the only ones with outstanding orders, so beginning the 40th Army's offensive in the Lew valley shouldn't be too detrimental to their own business elsewhere in the province.

Everyone else, expect plenty of action in the coming weeks. The battle for the Lew valley is going to be massive and may well determine the fate of the entire Buchianan rebellion.

I'll be counting everyone currently participating as "in" for a period of the next two weeks, at the end of which, I'll have another roll call to consolidate members still participating, and members that have recently joined.

Where do you all live? My finals aren't until at least the second week of June!

Me and GE go to the same school, and our summer break starts insanely early. And we start insanely late.

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA!

*Owns finals, enjoys freedom*

Freudotopia, post something awesome in the IC thread.

Right-o, Nigel old boy. Wot wot?

Geography of the Lew Valley:

The Lew Valley (or Lew’s Valley, all can be roughly translated from the Generian to mean “Valley of the Lion”) is less a single geographic fixture or a valley, per say, but rather a large, sprawling series of valleys, passes, mountains, and tall ridges, the floor of which is heavily covered by an extraordinarily dense forest, similar in some senses to the jungles that can be found in some southeast Asian or South American regions, though naturally the flora and fauna are more suited to the cold, generally damp climate of central Buchiana.

There are, as mentioned, numerous steep mountains and high ridges that line the various passes and valleys that make up the Lew Valley as a whole. For the most part, these ridges and mountains are rocky, with little plant life atop their summits, though it is very difficult to scale them from the valley below owing to large amounts of loose soil, frequent rock slides, and in the winter occasionally avalanches. Since these large open plateau’s and mountain summits mark highpoints for the entire nation, there are numerous communication facilities, and artillery emplacements dotting these features.

This war will be one of “island hopping”, in the sense that he who controls the high ground controls the valley, however since the high ground is difficult to access from the valley below except at key areas, fighting on the floor of the Lew Valley itself will be heavy. Sabotage and stealth will be the order of the day here, though the 40th Army will have the advantage of helicopters for transportation between the various hilltops. However, the BLA have been occupying this area for years, and so you can expect them to have made extensive progress in cartography and booby trapping. Land vehicles will be near completely useless, since there is only one rough road leading through the valley, and the BLA have taken the liberty of making it almost completely useless by strategically collapsing the walls of the valley in various places, and filling it with craters in others. If units venture into the forest, they will have to do so on foot.

The strategic importance of the Lew Valley lies in the fact that it is the sole route to southern Buchiana, and the BLA strongholds of Derograd, Dedovka, and Ilenjeno. The Deska river turns into a series of fast moving rapids and waterfalls once past the city of Deskograd, making movement of troops via this waterway an impossibility. The Imperial Army will seek to control it to reopen the Lew Valley road and move their armor into the southern half of the province, to break the BLA strongholds wide open. The BLA, and later the BNA, will use the coming battle as an opportunity to break the G-40th and drive them onto the defensive, giving them the momentum they will need to retake the northern province. Whoever controls this location at the end of the battle will in effect control the direction of the war.

Below is a map with the extent of the region that is the Lew Valley. Good luck, and happy hunting.

http://usera.imagecave.com/mobrule132001/BuchianaLewValleycircled.bmp.jpg

sorry i disappeared, im back and with alot of midge bites :D

Sorry, I've been out a while too. Prepping For Finals SUCKS!!!

hmmm...Guess who's already done with finals? I'll give you a hint: It starts with 'm' and ends in 'e.' I win.

Time for the Battle of the Lew Valley, which undoubtedly go down as one of the bloodiest conflicts in human history.

Time for the Battle of the Lew Valley, which undoubtedly go down as one of the bloodiest conflicts in human history.

Sweet. Been looking forward to this. Let's get this shit rolling.

For reference, and seeing as a significant operation has begun, I'm going to be needing the names and any relevant information on commanding officers for each nation involved in the conflict posted here for reference. I'll also be using this to judge who is still participating.

I'm assuming that you mean the leader of our force, right?
That would be: Revenant

If not then the leader would be: Chairman Murdock

I'm assuming that you mean the leader of our force, right?
That would be: Revenant

If not then the leader would be: Chairman Murdock

Yes, leader of the force. Thus the use of the term "commanding officer."

Conflict commisioner Hulikaya of the Beaufort Division - ground forces
Admiral Draskinki of the FS Nogalstic - naval force / helicoptors

My CO: Colonel Marcus Crassus Gnaeus