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NATIONS OF THE WORLD
It is come to my attention that a group of nations against national freedoms and national soviereignty have formed a coalition to stop Feline Catfish defense of it's own nation: To this, we say;
NO.
To all free nations of the world we ask to help us in this great Pact of nations to defend Feline Catfish' sovereignty against the warmongering imperial dogs of Risban and friends.

nations in the FCSDP
Hogsweat
Hataria
Sharina
Dumpsterdam
East Lithuania
Feline Catfish
Jonothana
Ustio
Kroblexskij
The Scarecrows
North East Somerset
The Macabees

OOC: OMG!!! enough on this situation, a 12 million year old nation has made enough commotion

I can understand the first coalition, and AMF's actions

any thing besides that has been overkill.
Im kinda sick and tired of seeing Feline Catfish all over the top page

The Imperial Republic of Hataria will join The alliance to protect Feline Catfish.

Communique from the Sharina Technocracy:

We have declared our support in defending Feline Catfish aganist imperialistic and bully-ish nations who seek nothing but an easy victory and some "free" land. Large nations should mind their own business, while allowing smaller nations to grow and learn from their mistakes.

Sharina will support any alliance or pact to protect Feline Catfish, or any small nation who is under threat of invasion from bullies and much larger nations.

Live well.
~President Mina Veristek

Neo Wu if you don't have anything good to say DONT say it.

OoC: Sign me up then, may just as well.

Neo Wu if you don't have anything good to say DONT say it.
Ill say whatever the hell I damn well please. and so can you, I just commented oocly and I didn't ever say you couldn't do what your doing, I just stated my opinion OOCly

Ill say whatever the hell I damn well please. and so can you, I just commented oocly and I didn't ever say you couldn't do what your doing, I just stated my opinion OOCly

OoC: Great, now go state your OoC oppinion SOMEWHERE ELSE.

The Emperor of Myrodor pledges only moral support to this great alliance. we would take military involvement, but we are future tech.

OOC: now wouldnt a multi-temporal conflict be interesting...

Count me in.

Official (But Secret) Announcement to the members of Feline Catfish Sovereignty Defence Pact

We support this coalition to defend Feline Catfish against these warmongerers. But we want to enter this coalition secretly and offer our military might and any weapons you might need including WMDs for free since we got a very nice and big stockpile of weapons.

-Emperor Nikolaos Onassis
Athens, Greece

Count me in.

I'm small but I can grant you ten destroyers and four frigates loaded with marines to safeguard FC.

OOC: Hmmm... if I offer purely defensive systems to Risban, and have not taken part in any military action yet, am I a target of this Pact?

As I stated in the "Coalition against FC" thread, I simply responded to an ally's (Risban) call for help. I see that there are a number of Xeraphian allies involved in the "defense" of FC, and am surprised that these allies, even friends, consider Xeraph a warmongering dog-piler. You know me better than that. How many times have I, and a lot of you, come to the aid of a nation threatened, whether the threat was real or perceived? Many, many times. How many times have we banded together at the spur of the moment to protect what we felt was an incursion against what we believe in? Many, many times. So when this FC thing started, it was nothing special. Just another response to a nation being threatened, and their allies responding, as allies should. The FC situation escalated way out of proportion to it's worth. It could have been a good RP, with NooBs learning how to keep their heads, and experienced nations sharpening their RP skills. But no, a couple of nations copped an attitude, and lesser nations jumped on the bandwagon. So now we have a precedent: if "the big guys" don't like the progress of a thread, they can step in and bully everyone into changing their stance.
Xeraph is, and has always been, a friend to many nations. When friends, allies, etc, call on Xeraph for help, Xeraph responds without question.
If that makes me a warmongering dog-piler, then so be it.

Premier Mikhalkov once again walked over to the Grand Window of the Kreml', overlooking the red square, so named for the blood spilt of the innocent during the revolution.
Now all there was were people walking dogs where police once were and sitting on benches where the dead and injured lay, loyal guards of the kreml' patrolling where once they fired upon the bolsheviks and the cyclists riding where cannons once fired their lethal volley.
He liked to stand here when making decisions, to think about the past and future, and of course the present.

now it was his time to be bold and strong, he had heard about the nation feline catfish and felt sympathy for them, if not a little anger but he had made it a vow to make the world a better place, after his own accident.

As anyone would tell he was nervous,
He was timid and mild mannered.

When he had trouble over anything he would mess with his ring he had on the second finger of the left hand, all members of the supreme council were given these, like dogtags or ID cards they allowed them to order certain things and gave them clearence to state secrets.
He had personally designed them to his liking, this always made him feel a bit better.

He told himself what he would say, and ran over it a couple of times in his head, sometimes he took a couple of minutes or hours, his secretary had come used to this. but when meeting foreign ministers or making public announcements it irritated them.
But they didnt know what made him this way, what he had seen and done and most people never would, they lived their lives in peace and tranquility not the torment and horror.
He finally came to his senses and dictated the telegram that would be sent to the FCSDP

TO: FCSDP -SUBJECT COALITION MEMBERSHIP

Noticing the Feline Catfish situation the Socialist Federation of Kroblexskij and governing council has come to this conclusion.
We wish to join the coalition on the grounds of defending a free nation wishing to expand themselves semi-legally, although the evidently ILLEGAL actions of the attacking forces cancels that out. we have at our disposal the Red Northen Fleet consisting of

7 Nanuchka class Corvettes (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/1234.htm)
6 Akula class SSBNs (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/971.htm)
3 soyuz class -super breakers/ transport ships.
2 Anti submarine Kiev class Aircraft carriers (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/1143.htm) with Ka-29/27/32 HELIX (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/ka-29.htm)
1 kreml' class aircraft carrier (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/1143_5.htm)
2 Kondor class helicopter aircraft carrier (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/1123.htm) ( Mi-28a/n ffar/gunpods/AA HAVOC naval version (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mi-28.htm) ) and Mi-24/D/E (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mi-24.htm)
also included are the MiG-29/27 and Su-37

We hope this blockading and pre-emtive strike force may be of some use to the defense of a nation, the taskforce will be under our control and directly to the premier of Kroblexskij - Mikhalkov.
awaiting telegram in return - STOP


The premier slumped into his chair with a sigh, he now had more lives waiting on his hands. He played with his ring and the scale models of his navy on his desk, the pride of kroblexskij and terror of the northern seas would set sail in a couple of months, bound for FC water claims.

"Get Gregior to make another rodina , its going to be long night."
rolling up his sleeves and drinking the rodina, he spun round to face the window and watch the square. Long into the night and after many drinks was when he finally got up and called the shipyards.

End RP

OOC: the rodina is a strong drink made from vodka, pepper, lime juice and lemon - good for the soul and mind.
IF my task force is a tad godmod dont hesitate to tell me and i will revise it again, i have been having problems with my neglected navy.
The premiers constant torment and horror is a mystery and will be revealed in other threads- you will be hearing more from him too.

"Feline Catfish wishes to join this pact, for obvious reasons. We commend every nation which has so kindly joined this apct so far, and encourage more to do so!"

King George III
Populist Monarch of Feline Catfish

ooc: tag in support of FC IC post coming tonight

To:The Alliance
From:East Lithuania

After giving this matter much thought, Dictator Scharfetter gladly pledges any support needed. We hate to see a nation being bullied or messed around with, and we are glad we can help.

Dictator Scharfetter,
East Lithuania

The HETWA will join.

To: Feline Catfish Sovereignty Defense
From: Lawrence Strachan, Prime Minister of North East Somerset

As an extermely active defender of FC (one of the first to join his side), particularly in the earlier parts of the war we would like to become a member of the Coalition. Under our new government we plan to de-militarise but this has been postponed until the crisis is over.

((I would like to know where it says Risban declared war on FC or invaded FC....
A longer post is coming in the coalition thread))

Public Telegram to Hogsweat, from the office of the King's Prime Minister

Our nation has been monitoring this conflict very carefully, and a full Parliamentary Bill has been passed, with immediate effect. Such bills require an 80 percent YES vote to be passed, and the 'FCSDP Entry Act 2005' was passed with a 426/500 vote (85.2 percent) and therefore is passed.

The Cabinet were happy to fully ratify this bill, as we beleive that, as long as they are used only as a deterrant and absolute last resort, any country has the aboslute right to possess nuclear weapons, and to ensure they are only used as mentioned, the Nuclear Weapons Monitoring Council constantly monitors the uses of nuclear weapons in every country known to own them, and aims to detect concealed ownership of these, acting in as much of a peaceful way as possible to avoid their likely catastrophic misuse.

We are also proud to support Hogsweat, a strong ally, in every move they make.

SIGNED: Sir Jon Davis-Clarke, OJC, Prime Minister of the Jonothana and Her Dependancies

The Macabees, although not in agreement with the expansion of percieved national waters of Feline Catfish, stands by the national sovereignty of said nation, and thus pledges it's support for the coalition allied to Feline Catfish.

ooc: Didn't you threaten me earlier? I dont trust you.

ooc: Didn't you threaten me earlier? I dont trust you.

[OOC: I was one of the earliest people to defend your national sovereignty - I just don't agree with your expansion of your national waters. But, I rather protect your national sovereignty and argue through peaceful politics about your waters later.]

Here is the post when I declared my support for FC.
(Note: For those of you who may wish to label me as a 'lapdog of AMF' should notice that my support for AMF was posted at 11:32pm. AMF's thread was posted at 11:58pm.)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8774188&postcount=36

Here's my continued post of support for FC: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8774360&postcount=3

Please take some since here, before another world war starts. I understand FC's right to natinal soverty, but they would not be threatend if:
1.) They did not DEMAND nuclear wepons.
2.) 200 Nukes is hardly in self defense, if you have mabye 50 thats one thing, but 200!
3.) Not demanded to have such a large EEZ, It is easier to patrol a smaller area than a larger area. A larger area= more space to secure=more people needed=more money needed.
So please stop all this chest puffing.
I also disagree with FC's nuclear policy. Like I said 200 nukes are not necssary.

1) That was in the title. if you actually read the psot, I "humbly requested" nuclear weapons. And did I threaten any of the nations that told me to get lost? No.

2) Oh yes of course that's too many... that's why Makaar shot down 199 of them. *rolleyes*

3) I didn't demand a 100nm EEZ, I claimed 100nm of territorial waters, and that is not illegal and does not affect any other nation.

Please take some since here, before another world war starts. I understand FC's right to natinal soverty, but they would not be threatend if:
1.) They did not DEMAND nuclear wepons.
2.) 200 Nukes is hardly in self defense, if you have mabye 50 thats one thing, but 200!
3.) Not demanded to have such a large EEZ, It is easier to patrol a smaller area than a larger area. A larger area= more space to secure=more people needed=more money needed.
So please stop all this chest puffing.
I also disagree with FC's nuclear policy. Like I said 200 nukes are not necssary.

1. He didn't DEMAND nuclear weapons - contrary to the tile of his thread. He bought them from willing sellers - it's not like he walked over and snatched them.

2. Tell that to the United States and the Soviet Union who thought different. Also tell that to the nations who have over 10,000 missiles on NS [OOC: I'm, thankfully, not one of those].

3. EEZ? Actually, in the real world EEZs are 200 kilometers in length. What you're talking about is territorial waters which is completely different - and the issue is more about those nations who were destined to oppose them not wanting to be beaten down so quickly - prideful nations don't step off fast, and that's the problem with this war and why it's escalating - the same goes for FC.

1. He didn't DEMAND nuclear weapons - contrary to the tile of his thread. He bought them from willing sellers - it's not like he walked over and snatched them.

2. Tell that to the United States and the Soviet Union who thought different. Also tell that to the nations who have over 10,000 missiles on NS [OOC: I'm, thankfully, not one of those].

3. EEZ? Actually, in the real world EEZs are 200 kilometers in length. What you're talking about is territorial waters which is completely different - and the issue is more about those nations who were destined to oppose them not wanting to be beaten down so quickly - prideful nations don't step off fast, and that's the problem with this war and why it's escalating - the same goes for FC.
Ok he did not demand the wepons, but many nation who took it the wrong way. He could ahev politly stated that he did not demand. About missiles id only have less than 150 missiles, for emergency use only, and I disagree with anyone have lots of missles. Persoanlly, I just thought both side could have handelded this better.
The coalition supporting him claims that the 200 nukes are in self defense, shrinking his EEZ will help him with defending his nation better (The last point, about the EEZ was intended to be helpful).

I have some advice for you:

1) Read the thread about expanding the territorial waters of my nation. It contains the reasoning behind it.

2) Accept I can have whoever many weapons I like, so long as I can afford them, and the numbers dont affect you in the slightest. I really dont care how many you would make. I am not you.

1) That was in the title. if you actually read the psot, I "humbly requested" nuclear weapons. And did I threaten any of the nations that told me to get lost? No.

2) Oh yes of course that's too many... that's why Makaar shot down 199 of them. *rolleyes*

3) I didn't demand a 100nm EEZ, I claimed 100nm of territorial waters, and that is not illegal and does not affect any other nation.
I did not read your poat, i was busy with other things. Your title was to umm lets say bold, for a lack of a better word. Notw myu last piece of info ( abotu EEZ's was intended to be helpful, it would eb easier, untill you havce a larger population to keep your EEz smaller. Note: I'm pro disarmnamet.

I did not read your post
I think that sums up how useful your opinion is on this subject.

Note: I'm pro disarmnamet.
Note (again): I'm not you.

I think that sums up how useful your opinion is on this subject.


Note (again): I'm not you.
Just trying to be helpful. But can I ask why 200? why not 50. Have you ever heared of Mutually Assured Destruction? If not I'm going to educate you. One of the reasons the Cold War never turned hot was that both the Soviets and the Americans knew if one side launched its nukes aginst the other, the other side would nuke the side that attacked first, its really unlikely to win or even survive a nuclear war.

Public Telegram to the Nation of Feline Catfish, from the Office of the Head of the Nuclear Weapons Monitoring Council

It would be most conforting for the nation, and I imagine the international community, if it were to be fully assured that your nuclear warheads pose no threat the the community, in that they are safely stored, and protected, and that you are fully truthful as to their capacity and power.

This would be done by a team of highly trained experts, who would investigate the storage facilities and the warheads themselves.

You may, of course, disallow us access, however if you should choose to allow our inspectors in, we will provide free protection and safety equipment for your storage facilities and control rooms, to Jonothanian high nuclear standards, meaning the risk would be greatly reduced from attacks and accidents. We would also offer you nuclear weapons at a discounted price, should you wish for them, however we will only supply you with a maximum of 150 megatons of warheads, and should your warheads exceed a total of 1000 megatons, supplys will also stop.

We will also sell revolutionary MOAB explosive, which are a conventional alternative to nuclear weapons, being the most powerful conventional explosive.

We hope you accept our generous offer, and state that your nation, as with every nuclear power, will be under constant surveilance for nuclear accidents, robberies, external attacks, and launches, to protect the Jonothanian state and the international community as a whole.

SIGNED: Karl Dessio, Head of the (Jonothanian) Nuclear Weapons Monitoring Council

ENDORSED: Jon Davis-Clarke, Prime Minister of Jonothana and Her Dependancies

Again, why do you all think I'm thick? Seriously, I'm considering leaving NS... every time I do something everyone thinks I'm some random 6 year old with no clue about history. I'll answer this point, and I won't answer any more from you. I'll make my answers nice and big, so you can understand them *pats*:

50 nuclear weapons is not enough for MAD.

I have over 2000. I fired 200 at the fleet.

Apparently, that is barely enough. Makaar shot down 199 with ship CIWS guns.

That wasnt at Jonothana. This is:

"We are not willing to let foreign troops into our nuclear facilities. We aren't compelte morons. Have a nice day duping someone else."

King George III
Populist Monarch of Feline Catfish

Again, why do you all think I'm thick? Seriously, I'm considering leaving NS... every time I do something everyone thinks I'm some random 6 year old with no clue about history. I'll answer this point, and I won't answer any more from you. I'll make my answers nice and big, so you can understand them *pats*:

50 nuclear weapons is not enough for MAD.

I have over 2000. I fired 200 at the fleet.

Apparently, that is barely enough. Makaar shot down 199 with ship CIWS guns.
Yes, but other naations may a lot more nukes than you do. I'm tallking 10,000 of nukes. Think about it for a minete

Yes, but other naations may a lot more nukes than you do. I'm tallking 10,000 of nukes. Think about it for a minete
It doesn't matter how many they have, so long as I have enough to destroy them. 2,000 is enough. Thankyou, and goodbye/

It doesn't matter how many they have, so long as I have enough to destroy them. 2,000 is enough. Thankyou, and goodbye/
:headbang: O fcourse 50 is not enough for MAD! Thats why I suggested that n9n the first place, and if you laubnch all 2K at a nation and it lauunces all its 10K+ nukes thats MAD!

:headbang: O fcourse 50 is not enough for MAD! Thats why I suggested that n9n the first place, and if you laubnch all 2K at a nation and it lauunces all its 10K+ nukes thats MAD!
So why did you suggest cutting back my armament to 50 missiles? Your arguments make no sense and are starting to become irritating.

So why did you suggest cutting back my armament to 50 missiles? Your arguments make no sense and are starting to become irritating.
Becuase then thats a reasonable size for self defense. You do not need more for self defense if you are a peaceful antion. Any way Please stop this unecssary war, that could kill millions or billions of people worldwide!

1) 50 missiles isn't enough for MAD, therefore it is not a deterrant.

2) I havent declared war on anyone.

3) Talking to you makes me feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall. I'm not replying to any more fo yuor psots.

"We are not willing to let foreign troops into our nuclear facilities. We aren't compelte morons. Have a nice day duping someone else."

King George III
Populist Monarch of Feline Catfish

Enrypted Reply

We are extremely displeased you have declined our offer. Our best intelligence shows your nuclear weaponary appears safe - the storage facilities appear to be up to Jonothanian standards, however, we cannot be sure where exactly they are being stored, and thus cannot class your country completely safe.

However, we will continue our whole-hearted support of your struggle, and will offer as much might as is logistically possible. We would also like to emphasise this offer remains open, so we hope it can be revived in the future.


END OF REPLY

"Not letting other nations know where our missiles are is actually a major part of our strategic doctrine. We are sorry that we cannot give you information that would put our entire nation's security at risk, but that's just the way it has to be.

Hogsweat: I think you missed my post earlier. I'm putting my support in for Feline Catfish.

As I stated in the "Coalition against FC" thread, I simply responded to an ally's (Risban) call for help. I see that there are a number of Xeraphian allies involved in the "defense" of FC, and am surprised that these allies, even friends, consider Xeraph a warmongering dog-piler. You know me better than that. How many times have I, and a lot of you, come to the aid of a nation threatened, whether the threat was real or perceived? Many, many times. How many times have we banded together at the spur of the moment to protect what we felt was an incursion against what we believe in? Many, many times. So when this FC thing started, it was nothing special. Just another response to a nation being threatened, and their allies responding, as allies should. The FC situation escalated way out of proportion to it's worth. It could have been a good RP, with NooBs learning how to keep their heads, and experienced nations sharpening their RP skills. But no, a couple of nations copped an attitude, and lesser nations jumped on the bandwagon. So now we have a precedent: if "the big guys" don't like the progress of a thread, they can step in and bully everyone into changing their stance.
Xeraph is, and has always been, a friend to many nations. When friends, allies, etc, call on Xeraph for help, Xeraph responds without question.
If that makes me a warmongering dog-piler, then so be it.
I am not directly involved in this. My Minister of the Economy found this as the perfect time to make money so we are selling weapons.

ooc: Are any of you actually going to help me? I'm hearing positive noises but there arent any ship deployments, and none of you have spoken against the rouge state "DontPissUsOff" which has threatened to nuke us if we don't recind our territorial waters claim.

ooc: Are any of you actually going to help me? I'm hearing positive noises but there arent any ship deployments, and none of you have spoken against the rouge state "DontPissUsOff" which has threatened to nuke us if we don't recind our territorial waters claim.

[OOC: That's why we need to get that peace signed as fast as possible.]

[OOC: That's why we need to get that peace signed as fast as possible.]
Good idea. Have peace talks. This war is useless and will kill millions, if not billions of people, even if only a few powers deploy nuclear wepons.

North East Somerset maintains a small naval presence in FC waters, with submarines and a small number of warships. We will give further details later.

Admiral Holbrow

To: Whom it May Concern,
Hogsweat
From: Tiberius Polax, MP
Foreign Secretary
Subject: Feline Catfish Sovereignty Defence Pact

From the early days of the Feline Catfish crisis, we have stood to uphold their sovereignty, and so we also wish to join this pact. We currently have 3 Destroyer Squadrons on station around Feline Catfish to aid allied forces in repelling any potential invasion. We are most interested in the possibility of constructing a joint aid package for Feline Catfish, to which we are willing to pledge $50bn.