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With the current situation in Feline Catfish escalating, we see it as our duty to have this crazed monarchist stopped at any cost. Feline Catfish has broken many international laws that not only put our own nations at risk, but put there own citizens on a path that will end in destruction. With these conditions, we see it fit to stop these atrocious actions that put the entire world at risk.

We are asking all nations who fill threatened by the current actions to please support our newly founded coalition to make Feline Catfish cease and desist. We would like to handle the whole ordeal through diplomacy and sanctions but we will not put possible military intervention off the table as a possible action.

We ask that Feline Catfish please take the following actions so that further sanctions or possible conflicts may not erupt.

1. All of Feline Catfishes nuclear stockpiles are to be handed over and/or destroyed by coalition forces. We will happily reimburse Feline Catfishes for these weapons.

2. All facilities that have housed or have been expected of housing nuclear weapons are to be inspected by groups of inspectors from nations apart of this respected coalition. These inspectors shall have free reign to all facilities that possible nuclear weapons could be hidden at, access to documents having to do with the nuclear weapons, and access to interviews with personal that may know something about such weapons

3. Feline Catfishes territorial claims of 100 nm out to see will not be allowed. Standard law states that claims may extend to a maximum or 40 nm. Platform drilling is allowed up to 200 miles but those waters are not to be claimed.

4. Any breaking of these demands may result in further sanctions upon Feline Catfish including diplomatic sanctions, embargoes, blockades, and possible military force.

We ask for all nations who fill threatened by actions taken by Feline Catfish to support this coalition. Feline Catfish will be sent a link of this ultimatum and will have only 72 hours to either agree or deny to these stipulations. If they do not agree to these actions, further sanctions can and will be placed and possible military intervention is possible.

Premier Daniel C. Dufour
Premier of the CCP of CL
New Orleans, Louisiana, CL
Founder of the Warsaw Treaty Org.

The Coalition Against Feline Catfish (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8773217#post8773217)


We support Communist Louisiana in this endeavour.

From the King's Desk

We are in full agreement with the nation of Communist Louisiana in the Feline Catfish incident. Already, they have proven to recklessly use nuclear weapons, and plan to do so again if they do not gain their 100 nautical mile boundary that they have claimed.

However, in this, they have broken international law, and therefore, we must stop this rogue state from causing devastation not only to others but to themselves. Thus, I hereby back this coalition.

Signed,
King Alexander I, Constitutional Monarch of Geisenfried

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Space Union hearby declares that we will stand with Communist Louisiana in this event. We will help diplomatically, economically, and if necessary militaritary assistance. We are happy to work along side with your nation against this nuclear weapon.

President Harsimran Mann
Technocratic Republic of Space Union

Leafanistan will prove herself a bit more proactive in this situation.

We have moved our EMP satellites into position over known nuclear deployment locations, and our MASER satellites have done the same. If there is another deployment we shall utterly destroy Feline Catfish's nuclear capability. No one shall die for this leader's insanity.

Count us in

We would like to send our deepest thanks to the nations who are supporting this coalition.

We thank the RSA and Brydog for there support.

As the news report made its way around Automagfreek, word began to circulate that the dark Lord himself might possibly comment on the growing situation involving 'Feline Catfish'. Anticipation was running high, especially since military tensions were running even higher the past few weeks. Rumor was beginning to circulate in the North that there might indeed be a statement by The Destroyer that night, one that might possibly shock the entire international community as well as AMF itself.

For days the rogue nation of 'Feline Catfish' had made it clear that they were a danger to themselves, more so than to the rest of the global community. Surely a piddling upstart nation such as that would indeed need to be put in its respective place....but it was also known that Lord Dreadfire was always an advocate for a fair fight. The Freeks began to grow restless as they awaited the word from one of history's most vile and ruthless leaders, and news agencies began setting up shop for what was expected to be a long night.

Light made its way through the curtains that covered the walkway onto Damien's famous balcony, and those who had begun to camp outside of it watched eagerly as shadows moved back and forth, breaking the soothing light. Those outside the Great Hall and those across the country all had the same question on thier mind: which side would Lord Dreadfire and Automagfreek take in the coming conflict revolving around Feline Catfish?

Would he choose to smash an upstart, or quash a multi-national dogpile?

We would fill honored to have the possible support of Automagfreek even if he offered no military support to the coalition. Regardless of your decision though, we will not back off with our ultimatum and we will stay in a forward direction. We will not be the first to blink.

Premier Daniel C. Dufour
Premier of the CCP of CL
New Orleans, Louisiana, CL
Founder of the Warsaw Treaty Org.

OOC:

You guys are literally going overboard.

Mega-dogpile (15+ nations more than 1 month old aganist a 1-2 week old nation) on a RP'er that doesn't blatantly godmod like Seph. Posting lots of military and fleet stuff without giving Feline Catfish a chance to respond. You all jump on the bandwagon to quash a potentially good RP'er (He RP's pretty well for a newbie, considering the quality of most I.I. newbie RP's).

If this keeps up, I might have to support Feline Catfish IC'ly to make this one-sided battle more even.

In all seriousness, if Feline Catfish wants to destroy himself with nukes, let it happen. After all, NS Earth is so big, Jupiter-Sized, that nukes have far less effect globally than they would on Earth.

This "Oh! Lets all beat up the small nation!" mentality sickens me OOC'ly, honestly.

(end rant)

The support of Concador lies with you, against FC
George Freug, Officer of the Peace with foreign Nationalities

ooc: just to clarify: we won't join in this "dogpile" unless it is needed (Automagfreek or some other powerful nation joins FC).

ooc: due to what is happening ooc'ly on the many threads on this incident with FC, I pull all troop support. (sorry!)

The Empress of the Imperial Republic of Coredia has indicated that she will issue a press release on this development very soon. Rumors are flying however that she will actually denounce the so-called "Coalition to Dogpile Feline Catfish" and offer support to the small beleagured nation, but there has yet to be any official response.

~Coredia News Network

OOC: tag
Jesus, FC sure has made quit a stir, i didn't even know about this thread

A response has been sent from Feline Catfish in the form of 200 nuclear missiles fired at coalition naval forces. Luckily thanks to Anti-missile Missiles and LASERs there are no casualties.

OOC: Naughty naugthy Feline Catfish playing with the big guns.

"No thanks. We arent interested in your treaty. Continuing to antagonise us will result in war with nations such as Artitsa, Hogsweat, Automagfreek, Wallis and Futuna and many others. We advise you to drop this."

King George III
Populist Monarch of Feline Catfish.

ooc: Leafanistan what are you talking about? I launched 200 nukes a while ago, but that was on a thread you never posted on and before communist lousiana even got involved. And despite a lot of godmodded defences one still got through. ???

OCC: You have no right to call godmod. The fact that your nation has large military forces as well as hundreds of nuclear weapons is godmod by itself. There is no way your nation can afford to keep an arsenal the size you cliam as well as the military you claim.

Fuck it, I quit rping this whole ordeal. Its pointless and mostly b/c I know Automag will kick my ass if I was to go through with it.

OCC: You have no right to call godmod. The fact that your nation has large military forces as well as hundreds of nuclear weapons is godmod by itself. There is no way your nation can afford to keep an arsenal the size you cliam as well as the military you claim.

Fuck it, I quit rping this whole ordeal. Its pointless and mostly b/c I know Automag will kick my ass if I was to go through with it.
OOC: An even worse godmod is when 15+ nations jump on one to tear him apart for being new. Two wrongs don't make a right, you know. Anyway, glad we could prevent this war from taking place.

OOC: Due to the controversial nature of this conflict, I'll have to withdraw my support.

OCC: You have no right to call godmod. The fact that your nation has large military forces as well as hundreds of nuclear weapons is godmod by itself. There is no way your nation can afford to keep an arsenal the size you cliam as well as the military you claim.

Fuck it, I quit rping this whole ordeal. Its pointless and mostly b/c I know Automag will kick my ass if I was to go through with it.
ooc: 50,000 men is a large armed forces?? That's about 0.5% of my population. I have a navy consisting of 20 WWII destroyers with Harpoons tacked on, and my airforce is 12 Eurofighters, only 6 of which can get off the ground. All of my nukes were given to me, and they are all fire-able from railway carriages and none have siloes. In fact, I think you originally built some of them.

The Imperial Empire would like to offer a table of peace to all nations involved in this dispicable course of events. We urge you all to step back from the brink of annilation? and discuss this in a more meaningful manner.

OCC: It cost to keep the mobile rail launchers running comrade. About 2 to 3 million per year to keep them going. Its not just the single rail launcher, there is 2 guard rail cars, control rail car, plus the cost to keep men paid to work the launchers. You have to think running cost. I do not think I have sold anything to you directly either. I have checked my records and I have kept records from every sell since the store was started and I am sure nothing nuclear was sold to you.

ooc: I know, they were sold to me by people who have bought off you. And by your calculations my missiles will cost $4bn per year to upkeep. This is no problem.

OOC: If Feline Catfish's military is as shoddy as he claims, and he spends, say, 50% of his budget on military, then he could probably afford to buy and maintain more nukes without going over budget, assuming that you all trust the Nationstates GDP Calculator. Link: http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Feline%20Catfish&militarybudget=1&defenseprovided=1&defense=50

The Empress of Coredia has decreed thus:

If needed, we can finance the Feline Catfish nuclear program until as such time they can finance their own program. We can also deploy naval units to defend the country from aggression until it can more easily defend itself. If anyone objects, they can talk to the hand.

To Feline Catfish:
We wish to establish diplomatic relations with you and write up a peace treaty including a defense package in light of the recent near-war with numerous aggressive nations.

We will back the treaty and may use the donpachi fighter fleet should we be provoked.

The Isle of Skye currently recognizes a 100NM(Nanometer) border. This is what their communication to us was translated to imply. Since they have not responded to our initial communication, we would consider any claims at a 100 Nautical Mile water border a breach of treaty, and an act of war. Since they are threatening a nuclear assault on any force that nears their borders, we would respond by striking their nuclear facilities. Should war be declared, we would request that our air forces be allowed first strike, so as to ensure the safety of an invasion force.

The Isle of Skye currently recognizes a 100NM(Nanometer) border. This is what their communication to us was translated to imply. Since they have not responded to our initial communication, we would consider any claims at a 100 Nautical Mile water border a breach of treaty, and an act of war. Since they are threatening a nuclear assault on any force that nears their borders, we would respond by striking their nuclear facilities. Should war be declared, we would request that our air forces be allowed first strike, so as to ensure the safety of an invasion force.
You would have to go through us, first.

~The Minister for Defense

The Empress of Coredia has decreed thus:

If needed, we can finance the Feline Catfish nuclear program until as such time they can finance their own program. We can also deploy naval units to defend the country from aggression until it can more easily defend itself. If anyone objects, they can talk to the hand.

To Feline Catfish:
We wish to establish diplomatic relations with you and write up a peace treaty including a defense package in light of the recent near-war with numerous aggressive nations.
OOC: No offense, CoreWorlds, because you could kick my ass, but are you sure about financing a nuclear program? All that will breed is war and I get the impression that you don't want that. Sure it does function as a deterrent, but given the nuclear arsenals of many nations, that wouldn't do much.

OOC: No offense, CoreWorlds, because you could kick my ass, but are you sure about financing a nuclear program? All that will breed is war and I get the impression that you don't want that. Sure it does function as a deterrent, but given the nuclear arsenals of many nations, that wouldn't do much.
OOC: Of course we want war, so we can sweep in and pick up the pieces! *evil grin*
Seriously, we'll make provisions to keep a good eye on FC.

Although we do not posess the manpower of many of the nations in this coalition, N Y C pledges support and use of her sizable Navy if needed to blockade. We are deeply troubled by recent developements in Feline Catfish and want to make it very clear that brutality and domination by any rouge state shall not be tolerated by myself or my country.
Sincerely,
President Spacedragonblue of N Y C

Please stop this war! It has been fought over no good reasons. Even If only a few natiosn deploy nuclear wepons, millions, if not billions will die for no good reason. All the leaders on both sides are acting like mountian goats, not leaders. They are just butting heads. I say again please stop this necssary war.

OOC: Of course we want war, so we can sweep in and pick up the pieces! *evil grin*
Seriously, we'll make provisions to keep a good eye on FC.

OOC: Excellent...*puffs on cigar* excellent. Just wanted to make sure.

Although we do not posess the manpower of many of the nations in this coalition, N Y C pledges support and use of her sizable Navy if needed to blockade. We are deeply troubled by recent developements in Feline Catfish and want to make it very clear that brutality and domination by any rouge state shall not be tolerated by myself or my country.
Sincerely,
President Spacedragonblue of N Y C
http://bulbagarden.net/bmgf/images/smilies/sweatdrop.gif Oh no, not another one!

Please stop this war! It has been fought over no good reasons. Even If only a few natiosn deploy nuclear wepons, millions, if not billions will die for no good reason. All the leaders on both sides are acting like mountian goats, not leaders. They are just butting heads. I say again please stop this necssary war.
As far as we know, there is no war.

http://bulbagarden.net/bmgf/images/smilies/sweatdrop.gif Oh no, not another one!


As far as we know, there is no war.
At the rate this is pogressing, this more than likely will turn into a war. I hope you understand my worry.

At the rate this is pogressing, this more than likely will turn into a war. I hope you understand my worry.

ACtually, no. From what I can see the "coalition" is backing down. No need to play peacekeeper here.

The Isle of Skye hopes that FC will respond to our requests soon, that war might be avoided.

-IOS Council of Clans Chief, William Talisker

ACtually, no. From what I can see the "coalition" is backing down. No need to play peacekeeper here.
That is good, but is always pays to stay cautious.

OCC: FC if some of those nuclear weapons were built by Louisiana Strategic Works as well as the launchers, dont you think we would know how to destroy our own weapons. There are flaws in the rail car launchers. Thats why we sell them to people. DUH!

What nation with any common sense (I use that lightly seeing that nations like Coreworlds, Automagfreak and countless other large nations are supplying a nation with a population less than 100 million nuclear weapons when in the past they have bitched and ranted over other nations owning them which were under the recognized 100 million population mark) would sell perfect unflawed nuclear secrets? Even the US gov. made the GPS System a little off to protect national security.

OOC. This is pointless. Catfish has NO military whatsoever:

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/nationdata.cgi/nation=Feline_Catfish

Look for "defense" under Govt.

The Council of Ministers, the group that acted as head of state until a replacement emperor for the late Victor Ramius materialized, met to discuss the situation in Feline Catfish. Ordinarily, the Second Empire would not have cared; in fact, it would have supported Feline Catfish. But the arrogant nation of Automagfreek reared its ugly head and attempted to bully the peacekeepers. AMF was the sworn enemy of Fluffywuffy, and any dent to the cult of greatness that AMF constantly worked on would futher the Second Empire's cause. A vote was called, and the vote was unanimous: support the peacekeepers.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs strolled into Imperial Square, the center of Rexicum, capital of Fluffywuffy, and made an address, charged with damning lines and exagerated claims. "My fellow citizens, for too long we have lain dormant and removed from the world. No longer. The nation of Feline Catfish has chosen to horde nuclear weapons and threaten their usage against any who stray into their illegal claims to international waters. Worse, the enemy of all who live freely, Automagfreek, has decided to interfere in Feline Catfish. It is likely Automagfreek, ruled by the Anti-christ himself, that supplied that rouge nation with its nuclear arsenal.

The Second Empire will not sit idly by while the Anti-christ interferes in Feline Catfish and supplies its rouge government with nuclear weapons. The Second Empire demands that Feline Catfish cease its illegal claims to international waters and scale back its nuclear program. A total halt is not neccesary; two or so nuclear weapons are enough deterence to provide defense against large nations, and the Second Empire recognizes the need for defense. Failure to comply with the end of claims could lead to armed conflict in Feline Catfish, to which Fluffywuffy will contribute sizeably.Consorting with the Anti-christ, however, is not neccesary for defense, nor is it likely to wield favorable results; the Anti-christ is evil at his core, and will not hesitate to slaughter your people if you fail to support his evil agenda. Should Feline Catfish renounce Automagfreek, the Second Empire will gladly provide aid.

To Automagfreek, ruled by the Anti-christ: the Second Empire shall defy you in all possible regions, in all possible times, and by all possible means. We do not bear the Mark of the Beast, and we shall not be bullied by you. It is time you be put back in your place; bullies are cowards at heart, picking on the weak as you so often do."

Due to the support of Fluffywuffy, we will not back down and I see no reason to stop the coalitions mission to keep FC nuclear free until there nation can own nuclear weapons responsibly.

We will pledge aid and defense support if and only if the nation of Feline Catfish denounces the rouge hell ruled nation of Automagfreek and there support as well as hands over all the nuclear weapons. We see no problums with FC owning 1-3 nuclear weapons and we will build and help keep such an arsenal running if they resort to the demands set forth in our ultimatum are met. We have no problums possibly editing and fixing some of the rules to better benifit all nations involved here who only want safety for their people as well as yours. We will even give your nation cheap oil from the Gulf of Mexico.

We do currently know where a majority of all your rail car launchers are as well as those that are on the ground and are being set up. We learned this from SR-71 flights over your nation in the past days.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/57/Cuban_missiles.jpg

We do support Fluffywuffy 100% and we will do everything in our power to back any actions taken by the Second Empire. Our entire armed forces including the highly trained and deadly Zouaves of Terrabone are ready to assist weather it be to promote peace in FC or to fight to protect and enforce the decisions of The Imperial Red Empire of Communist Louisiana.

Automagfreak and countless other large nations are supplying a nation with a population less than 100 million nuclear weapons when in the past they have bitched and ranted over other nations owning them which were under the recognized 100 million population mark) would sell perfect unflawed nuclear secrets?

OOC: I have not supplied FC with any nuclear weapons. Get your facts straight before you let accusations fly.

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The Excessively Armed Empire is most disappointed in the government of Fluffywuffy. You claim that Automagfreek has supplied Feline Catfish with nuclear weapons, and I am here to tell you that you need to do some simple research and get your facts straight. The Empire has not nor ever plans to give, sell, donate, etc ANY form of nuclear weaponry to Feline Catfish.

Also, we wish to express our disgust in the govnerment officials that claim that Automagfreek is supporting war. These 'peacekeepers' your nation is supporting are the aggressors in this case, it is Automagfreek who is attempting to keep the peace.

The fact of the matter is this, outside aggression is what caused Feline Catfish to resort to the use of nuclear weapons. It was outside aggression that is preventing peace, not Feline Catfish. Their government has stated several times that all they wish for is peace and for outsiders to respect their sovereignty. Automagfreek has made a commitment to protecting peace and the sovereignty of Feline Catfish, by any means necessary.

If is Fluffywuffy that is the aggressor, not Automagfreek. It is Fluffywuffy that wants death and war, not Automagfreek. If Fluffywuffy wishes to attack the innocent party, then feel free. But you will watch as your lands are reduced to smoldering ash, and death shall sweep over your land on swift wings. The destruction you will endure will be biblical in scale, and the pain your country suffers will be lengendary.

Your choice.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

Within the Grammatically Sound Republic of Passivocalia, it is not understood what is meant by the alleged threat of "Rouge States" or "Rouge Nations". While danger has been wielded by ducal Burgundians of the past, it is felt here that such remarks made by the Republic of N Y C, the Second Empire of Fluffywuffy, and the Imperial Red Empire of Communist Louisiana are detrimental to all colours of the world.

Please have such slander/libel ceased.

Alec Wry
Minister of Malaprop

Due to the support of Fluffywuffy, we will not back down and I see no reason to stop the coalitions mission to keep FC nuclear free until there nation can own nuclear weapons responsibly.

Coming from a nation which forces itself into other nations internal affairs (Euroslavia's) to support any armed forces with the word "Communist" in their title we hardly feel that Communist Louisiana, a nation which has previously threatened war with those who advertise in the wrong place and has conducted themselves poorly throughout history is in such a position to judge Feline Catfish on it's responsibility with nuclear weapons.

Lets face it, most nations are capable of defending themselves from nuclear attack these days and given that there are now numberous nations carefully watching this nation, supporting them but not to an unlimited degree, it's highly unlikely that they would be in any position to pose a serious threat to world stability... meanwhile Communist Louisiana continues to support terrorism in other nations providing the "rebels" are Communist, hardly a stabilising factor in the world I would think.

Quite frankly, we're tired of nations such as yourselves enforcing themselves on others and given the state of these sorrid affairs we feel it's in our interests to support Automagfreek in the political sense at this time. Generally I've made an effort to keep Iuthia out of these affairs, but quite frankly we agree with Lord Dreadfire's statements and we echo their disapointment in Flufflywuffy... though it wouldn't be the first time they have supported the aggressors in these kinds of affairs, history repeats itself.

Eitherway, at this time the Benevolent Dictatorship of Iuthia condones and congradulates Automagfreek's efforts thus far. We shall continue to watch from the side lines as it's clear that Lord Dreadfire and the various other nations following his lead have this situation under control. It's our hope that things turn out for the better and that people come to their senses.

Thanks,

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps


OOC Additional: Size of nation doesn't nessicarily mean they can't have nuclear weapons, CL, though I can't blame you for trying I guess.

So far I think Feline Catfish has been quite reasonable, which is more then I could say for the way some of you guys have been treating him, but heh, it's not like you have ever called GODMOD against a legimate RP... no wait, there was that incident with New York and Jersey when he framed you (IC) and you ignored his legimate and well RPed actions because it was "unfair".

OOC. This is pointless. Catfish has NO military whatsoever:

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/nationdata.cgi/nation=Feline_Catfish

Look for "defense" under Govt.
Thank you for making the point. Mabye if we'e lucky someone will come to thier senses.

ooc: For those still going on about costs - I ignore percentages in GDP calculators. I'm RPing my nation, not some damn calculator, so I set my own budget percentages. Not to mention that I sold production rights to my Battle Class Destroyer for $600bn to Cotland, and received $700bn from Space Union. I received a further $200bn from various other nations. And no, Communist Lousiana, you didnt learn anything about my nation with spy-plane overflies. Not unless you RP it.

OOC: I find this situation highly funny. Not only am I calling my main enemy's leader the Anti-christ, I am also siding with a communist nation that supports communist terrorist groups. Now, let's see what else can I do to add to the humor of the situation. . .

OOC: I have not supplied FC with any nuclear weapons. Get your facts straight before you let accusations fly.

I am aware of that. However, does it sound better to say, "Bla bla bla nation gave FC nukes," or does it sound better to say, "The Anti-christ may have given this rouge evil nation nukes, which it threatens all of humanity with?" I'm sure you'd go with the latter. It's called propaganda, and it is a rather fun tool to use by making up completely false claims. Watch below:

IC:

It is the opinion of the Imperial Intelligence Services that the Excessively Armed Empire either supplied the Feline Catfish government with nuclear weapons or has provided technical support to use these nuclear weapons. In fact, the Imperial Intelligence Services believe that it was part of a deal to aim Feline Catfish nuclear weapons at the Second Empire of Fluffywuffy.

The peacekeepers are not the aggressors in this situation; it is Feline Catfish. By illegally claiming international waters and denying the free and innocent passage of all, Feline Catfish has become the aggressor. Had the government of Feline Catfish simply declared that it would view any warships at 100 nautical miles as a threat, it would have been acceptable. Instead the government took illegal action in claiming international waters and denying the right of innocents to travel in the waters.

Fluffywuffy has no wish to attack an innocent party; Feline Catfish and here Anti-christ Automagfreek supporters are neither innocent nor defenders. And the Second Empire shall not be bullied into retreat by Automagfreek. Should Automagfreek launch its own nuclear weapons at Fluffywuffy, then the Lair of the Anti-christ shall find itself also mutated into a nuclear parking lot. We, too, have nuclear weapons and we will not look upon a nuclear threat lightly. And should you not respect nuclear weapons, we have numerous other ways of wreaking destruction.

The government of Feline Catfish may have called upon others to support peace, but they have said one thing and done another. Building nuclear weapons for defensive purposes is a right of all nations, but claiming international waters simply escalates the situation. Automagfreek has made similar claims to supporting peace, but then it overtly threatens the Second Empire with nuclear devastation. The Second Empire cannot believe any claims made by the Excessively Armed Empire after such blatent hypocrisy.


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In response to the situation in Feline Catfish, the Council of Ministers announced it would be moving several assets to the "Grave situation in Feline Catfish," as they describe the situation. Though they did not state what assets they are moving, they are moving some. Forty of the new NASN-01 submarines (10 of which have the special-ops load-out in place of missiles) are en route to Feline Catfish.

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In order to better command the situation should war actually break out, the Imperial government sent the following communiqué to Communist Louisiana via hand delivery by a diplomat:

The government of the Second Empire of Fluffywuffy, recongnizing the support of Communist Louisiana in the grave situation in Feline Catfish, wishes for our two governments to establish a joint intelligence group to aid in a possible conflict. This system would allow us to share intelligence information gathered from satelittes, spy planes, and others assets. Also, the director of the Imperial Intelligence Services would like to meet with his Communist Louisianan counterpart to discuss a possible joint operation in other areas. Finally, we request that a joint military plan be drawn up so that should war break out, our militaries would be able to better support one another.

The President of the Seperatists have this to say:

'Leave the poor sod alone. All he's done is defend himself and move his borders up - Which, is no where near any kind of tradelines, and the nations around haven't given any protest. Just back off, leave it alone. No war, no use of nukes!' Simple!'

Statement to the nation of Iuthia
We would like to first point out that the last time we supported communist rebels was in Euroslavia which was a good while back. We have ceased to aid most rebel groups unless the government they are trying to fight and overthrow has tried to bring harm the the Imperial Red Empire, its commonwealths of USTIO and Ratheia, or its close allies. We have pretty much ceased all international terrorist funding except to the training of our own Red Guard Terrorist groups who are trained in the highly unlikely event that Communist Louisiana is invaded. My question to you is can you actually find a link since the begining of lets say February saying I supported and funded terrorism or communist freedom fighters outside my nation? I doubt it b/c they DO NOT EXSIST.

There was no announcement what so ever that there were communist in FC and if they were, yes, I would have openly supported them but not with weaponry until I knew there claims were true. Frankly, turning FC communist was and is the last thing on my mind. My worry is the fact that FC has taken many actions that are not only illegal but impead on every nations national security.

First off, he has used nuclear weapons already. Hell, he launched them at a fleet instead of just trying to talk peace. The nation has nto tried to talk peace with anyone as I have seen of. They also expanded there territorial waters from the 40 miles out to sea to 100 miles which is illegal on the highest grounds. He did it and following to prove a point so did I. Now it is very hard to enter the Gulf of Mexico OR Caribbean Sea without passing through one of my territorial waters.

We dont want war, all we want is peace without the threat of the rouge nation of Feline Catfish who seems to be willing to use nuclear weapons at the drop of a hat. There no better than the RL North Korea.

OCC: Long time no see Iuthia. I to will soon be joining you and will have a submersible(sp) aircraft carrier. I think I am spending to much money on it though, but what the hell.
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We are highly interested in the idea set forth by The Second Empire of Fluffywuffy and we will allow and support your nations Imperial Intelligence Services working with our own KGB. We also see no problum in working on a joint military resolution. We would like to see peace rather than war, but if it comes down to it, the Imperial Red Empire of Communist Louisiana will fight.

Premier Daniel C. Dufour
Premier of the CCP of CL
New Orleans, Louisiana, CL

The Allied States of Riconiaa will send the full force of it's (small, but highly skilled) military to eliminate the Feline Catfish threat.

We didn't say anything about Communist Louisiana wanting to turn Feline Catfish into a communist nation, we simply condemn the way you are once again forcing you're nations will upon anothers because you deem them unstable. At the very least you have admitted to funding terrorism in the past, this is a good sign to us as honesty is our preffered medium, but this doesn't change the fact that such history doesn't support the idea that Communist Louisiana is doing whats right.

While we don't deny that Feline Catfish has had a shakey start, it is clear to us that with the protection and guidance of Automagfreek, not to mention the judging eyes of the international community watching their every move, that this nation couldn't possibly misuse the weapons it's gained, not without putting them into the very situation they would use those weapons to avoid.

We aren't surprised they aren't listening to your unreasonable demands, you ask that they do not develope their defences because of your judgement of their stability... they don't know you, they don't trust you and all you ask of them is that they weaken themselves for you.

Such demands are unreasonable and seeing as they have already agreed to the alternative offered by Automagfreek, you are not needed.


Of course, this is all moot point now, we seriously doubt you can force yourselves on this nation... not with so many nations swarming to defend their soveriegn rights.

As far as we are concerned, you haven't changed at all.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

OOC: I don't really bother with that carrier any more, I was tempted to use it as leverage but it really wasn't worth the hassle at the time, so I think it's actually decommissioned and currently in storage being used for spare parts and having some of it's technology stripped from it for better understanding... the idea wasn't entirely sound and we got one because it was cool at the time.

ooc: For those still going on about costs - I ignore percentages in GDP calculators. I'm RPing my nation, not some damn calculator, so I set my own budget percentages. Not to mention that I sold production rights to my Battle Class Destroyer for $600bn to Cotland, and received $700bn from Space Union. I received a further $200bn from various other nations. And no, Communist Lousiana, you didnt learn anything about my nation with spy-plane overflies. Not unless you RP it.
OOC:If you want to be a good RP'er, with emphisis on good, you will use those calculators as tools. They are there to help you.

OCC: FC if some of those nuclear weapons were built by Louisiana Strategic Works as well as the launchers, dont you think we would know how to destroy our own weapons. There are flaws in the rail car launchers. Thats why we sell them to people. DUH!

What nation with any common sense (I use that lightly seeing that nations like Coreworlds, Automagfreak and countless other large nations are supplying a nation with a population less than 100 million nuclear weapons when in the past they have bitched and ranted over other nations owning them which were under the recognized 100 million population mark) would sell perfect unflawed nuclear secrets? Even the US gov. made the GPS System a little off to protect national security.
OOC: Excuse me, but I don't 'bitch and rant' about nations under 100 million having nukes. I don't care if a nation is a newbie and has nukes as long as he RPs it out well. Thank you very much for listening. :rolleyes:

Due to recent local events, N Y C withdraws all support except the offer of diplomatic moderation, as this seems to be shaping up into a possibly catastrophic event.

Oooh. :eek: This is getting bad. Didn't I here that more nations could be joining to support FC? Dude, if this isn't controlled, a catastrophic event could take place. :mp5:

Laskon has been getting quite annoyed at all of this ridiculous news over the past few weeks, but has decided to stay out until now.

We would like to remind FC that if he had not asked for nuclear weapons in the first place, then this situation would not be thus. Therefore he (and his allies) have no reason to complain about what CL is doing. Laskon does not support the fact that a small nation such as Feline Catfish is recieving nuclear weapons to "defend" itself, as it has no need to defend itself against nothing, as stated before, FC did NOT need the weapons, now he does, as he is about to be set upon by more than a dozen nations, and rightfully so.

We do not recommend all out war against FC, just a simple and quick take over to confiscate the weapons, destroy them, and occupy FC until we have decided what from there to do with it.

Well to be honest Laskon, you don't NEED your sovereignty. In fact, your people would on average be richer under my rule, so i think I'll invade you. And if you fight back well... it's your own fault. And really you have nothing to complain about.

The argument is, of course, ridiculous.

Well to be honest Laskon, you don't NEED your sovereignty. In fact, your people would on average be richer under my rule, so i think I'll invade you. And if you fight back well... it's your own fault. And really you have nothing to complain about.

The argument is, of course, ridiculous.

And lets face it, the way they disregard another nations sovereignity shows a dangerous trend in their governments thinking, who is to say that they won't attempt to force their will on others simply because their values are not the same?

Iuthia is a dictatorship, a nation ruled by a single man with absolutely no political rights for the common man... how long before another nation deems this unfair and attempts to force their values onto our society, who are for the most part content with their successful system?

How can we, as Iuthians trust the fate of other nations to those like Communist Louisiana who have showed time and time again that they do not respect a nations right to self rule, a nation which has supported terrorism and would still support terrorist action providing it's in a nation deemed to be one of their enemies.

We trust the alternative put forth by Automagfreek and continue to back their cause, their goal is simple; to allow this nation to rule itself while cushioning them from the world... should this nation lash out then Automagfreek is in the perfect position to stop it and respond correctly. Such terms have been agreed to by FC and simply put there is no need for military action.

Go home warmongers, the only incident here is that you continue to threaten the rightful rule of the FC government over it's people.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

Look, much of the problem is that FC extended his nautical bounds out to 100 NM and threatened nuclear strikes on any nation with warships inside that area. If the coalition will not back down, then perhaps they will consider a request to FC to get their border back to reasonable levels and trash this "nuclear strike" idea? I believe that FC is being stupid, but not so stupid that we need to make this a MASSIVE ISSUE as it has become. In my mind, if we remove the cause for alarm then there should be no problem. Unless people are simply using this as an excuse to go to war?

Feline Catfish has said (and he's right) that if he detonates a nuclear weapon within the standard 20nm he'll kill loads of his own people. He's also said (and he's right) that he doesnt have the cash or the population to build a conventional military powerful enough to fend off an invasion. He's also said that his nation isnt near any major shipping routes. I really dont see what the problem is... well, I do. The aggressors cant pull out because FC isnt letting them save face. Well, just swallow your pride and leave him alone.

Feline Catfish has said (and he's right) that if he detonates a nuclear weapon within the standard 20nm he'll kill loads of his own people. He's also said (and he's right) that he doesnt have the cash or the population to build a conventional military powerful enough to fend off an invasion. He's also said that his nation isnt near any major shipping routes. I really dont see what the problem is... well, I do. The aggressors cant pull out because FC isnt letting them save face. Well, just swallow your pride and leave him alone.

Seriously. For what its worth, i will defend FC if needs be.

Our Support is pledged to our close friends in Communist Louisiana if it is requested. All you need to do is ask comrade.

Minister of War
Olav Potztov

ooc: For those still going on about costs - I ignore percentages in GDP calculators. I'm RPing my nation, not some damn calculator, so I set my own budget percentages. Not to mention that I sold production rights to my Battle Class Destroyer for $600bn to Cotland, and received $700bn from Space Union. I received a further $200bn from various other nations. And no, Communist Lousiana, you didnt learn anything about my nation with spy-plane overflies. Not unless you RP it.


Fine, post a link to where you RP-ed getting that money, and we'll let that slide. But first you need to recognize that your positions on the issues determine your economy. Lets take a quick look at your economy, courtesy of NS XML: http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/nationdata.cgi/nation=Feline_Catfish
<GOVT>
<ADMINISTRATION>33%</ADMINISTRATION>
<WELFARE>0%</WELFARE>
<HEALTHCARE>0%</HEALTHCARE>
<EDUCATION>0%</EDUCATION>
<SPIRITUALITY>0%</SPIRITUALITY>
<DEFENCE>0%</DEFENCE>
<LAWANDORDER>25%</LAWANDORDER>
<COMMERCE>42%</COMMERCE>
<PUBLICTRANSPORT>0%</PUBLICTRANSPORT>
<ENVIRONMENT>0%</ENVIRONMENT>
<SOCIALEQUALITY>0%</SOCIALEQUALITY>

You're currently spending 44% of your budget on commerce. That's what gives you such a great economyou wouldn't have a GDP so large if you taxed your corporations, and you only tax a portion of your GDP.

This is not a calculator, these are the facts about your nation.

Furthermore, you profess to be developing a nuclear programme, and have sold cruiser designs for hundreds of billions of dollars.

You spend no money on education. Unless you spent money to import scientists from elsewhere you wouldn't have been capable of developing a design worth selling.

I've been really nice about this situation thus far. So has the rest of the RP community here. Yoou're trying to RP well, and those of us that recognize the potential you have. But you can't just make stuff up about your nation.

If your nation has a frightening economy, and the reason it has a frightening economy is because your government doesn't tax anyone, then you can't claim to have a governmental military, because there's no way for your government to support such a thing.

Now, in that situation, if you want to make a viable claim that your nation's military is made up of corporate security forces, then you can fight wars.

But so far, your claims aren't viable. According to this calculator: http://www.sunsetrpg.com/economystatistics.php

Your nation has a 42% literary rate. And yet you claim your scientists have come up with advanced strike cruiser plans? When you claim earlier in this thread that your current naval fleet is made up of WWII era destroyers with harpoon missiles tacked on?

Even that isn't possible when you don't fund a military. We like some of your RP Ideas, they're interesting, but they're not viable. And it's not fun to polay with you when we point this out, and you ignore us.

because of your gung-ho attitude here, I'm debating using the IGNORE Cannon, that is, unless you start listening to us.

We just hope it doesnt become another shooban incident. That is all I have to say

[lots of bitching]

OOC: It's already been established that FC's military is small, too small to realistically defend itself which is why we're in this situation in the first place, but I suppose that isn't enough is it?

Instead we have to have a point by point explaination basically telling him that his freeform RP is completely incorrect and that he has to RP his nation as not just being a small pissant nation, but in fact having nothing to RP with...

Well that was nice of you; he comes to RP to play a game, he RPs a small army and still you tell him it's god-moding to have an army which couldn't stand up against even a minor power... hell, a leaky patrol boat could take his nation with the small concessions you have made. What fun is that?


You completely missed his arguement, this is about role-play. He's not made his small nation out to be a nation of soldiers with a 100% of their citizens counting towards his army. He's tried hard, he's been reasonable about his forces, perhaps it's unlikely given his nations stats... but hell, his nation is only about a week old, it hasn't had a chance for him to even make it the way he wants.

Give him a break already... you're the only guy here even continuing on about how his small nation shouldn't have any military to RP with, how he should sit on his thumbs because you don't like the idea that he may have a small army.

As for the nuclear weapons, bah, I'm fairly sure that all has been RPed, with some nations even admiting it themselves in one of the many threads people seem to make about this little nation.

What you have is a small pissant nation looking to defend itself, In Character a bunch of nations have opposed it's way of getting nuclear weapons and another bunch have moved to help it and secure it... on it's own it couldn't resist CL and Fluffywuffy, now with help it can. What is the point of telling them they can't have a shit military? It hardly makes a difference against nations the size of CL... so quit this newbie bashing already and stick to In Character reactions instead of being a jerk.

Or better yet, ignore him... it would save the poor bastard the time of having to deal with your whining.

The Imperial Intelligence Services worked late into the night with the conflict in Feline Catfish showing no signs of peace. The nuclear weapons of that nation had to be located, and fast. In the event of war, it was likely that whatever naval assets that were off Feline Catfish would soon turn into nuclear slag. The Second Empire had only sent submarines, however, and those would be difficult to discover. Those submarines offered two possible solutions to the situation: covert insertion of several hundred soldiers to destroy the missiles, or a simple cruise missile barrage of the missiles. They also offered a retaliatory weapon against Feline Catfish should the government lose its mind and nuke Fluffywuffy or Communist Louisiana before a war starts; several of the missiles on board the subs were nuclear.

But Feline Catfish was not the only enemy that the coalition had to deal with. With the threats from Automagfreek, a significant portion of the submarine fleet was ordered into waters off of Automagfreek. This force amounted to 80 NASN-01 submarines, each with a load out of half nuclear missiles and half conventional. They had orders to stay twenty miles from AMF territorial waters and ready their nuclear weapons for launch, should AMF decide to go nuke crazy if war broke out. It was a massive nuclear force capable of hitting thousands of different targets with almost no warning, which was the main advantage of having the nuclear arsenal of Fluffywuffy contained in nuclear submarines. There were a few ICBMs on land, and a few bombers, but the main nuclear threat came from the submarines. If Automagfreek turned Fluffywuffy into a nuclear parking lot, it was the intention of the government that Automagfreek would glow just as brightly in the dark as Fluffywuffy.

If war broke out but remained conventional, the submarine force would slink into AMF territorial waters and engage in unrestricted submarine warfare, engaging warships with torpedoes and missiles and occasionally targeting an airfield or military base. Back at home, the remaining submarines would coordinate with the rest of the fleet and prepare to defend against a similar strategy. In Feline Catfish, the subs would simply launch cruise missiles and commandos in an attempt to destroy the Feline Catfish nuclear weapons. The Second Empire did not want or need to invade Feline Catfish; all it needed was to remove its nukes and then sink its fleet, simply starving the nation into acceptance of a smaller claim to water. If Automagfreek sent a fleet to Feline Catfish at this time, it would find the main action to be in AMF waters. It would also find itself threatened by the submarines off the coast of Feline Catfish, as they had plenty of missiles and torpedoes, and one sub could achieve mission kill on a battleship or aircraft carrier.

That was the plan so far, and it was communicated to Communist Louisiana, once again by hand to avoid electronic intercept. No one knew who could be a spy or not, or who could be listening or not, and the utmost secrecy was greatly important for war plans. The messenger also called on the Communist Louisianan response to be made by secret communiqué (a.k.a. telegrams. If you’ve got MSN, we can also chat there).

OOC: Quick note, I don't have a problem with you're RP, but you have to understand that this has been going on for a while and that it's not just Feline Catfish patrolling his borders anymore, there are many many nations around that place after deployments in other threads... so you may want to try a new RP and invite everyone to it if you guys are going to go ahead with this, we'll need to organise who is where and what is going on.

Meanwhile I'm going to look for all the links to FC threads and get it all in one reference thread.

OOC: Oh yes, how could I forget those other nations? Obviously rather easily. At any rate, that reference thread would be most helpful, Iuthia. I suppose if the war happens (rather likely to me) we just declare war on every defender. Or it could be that we just take out his nukes and declare victory. Me and CL should probably consort with FC and decide who gets to fight, as that would simplify things.

OOC: If anything I think this will be one of those milestones in NationStates that will be in the Wiki. I love how far gone this situation has gotten.

OOC: Fluffywuffy, don't break out the n00kZ just yet. This is getting old, I have not once threatened n00klear warfare, and 80 nuclear submarines near my waters are likely to be noticed. IC post pending.

With the current situation in Feline Catfish escalating, we see it as our duty to have this crazed monarchist stopped at any cost. Feline Catfish has broken many international laws that not only put our own nations at risk, but put there own citizens on a path that will end in destruction. With these conditions, we see it fit to stop these atrocious actions that put the entire world at risk.

We are asking all nations who fill threatened by the current actions to please support our newly founded coalition to make Feline Catfish cease and desist. We would like to handle the whole ordeal through diplomacy and sanctions but we will not put possible military intervention off the table as a possible action.

We ask that Feline Catfish please take the following actions so that further sanctions or possible conflicts may not erupt.

1. All of Feline Catfishes nuclear stockpiles are to be handed over and/or destroyed by coalition forces. We will happily reimburse Feline Catfishes for these weapons.

2. All facilities that have housed or have been expected of housing nuclear weapons are to be inspected by groups of inspectors from nations apart of this respected coalition. These inspectors shall have free reign to all facilities that possible nuclear weapons could be hidden at, access to documents having to do with the nuclear weapons, and access to interviews with personal that may know something about such weapons

3. Feline Catfishes territorial claims of 100 nm out to see will not be allowed. Standard law states that claims may extend to a maximum or 40 nm. Platform drilling is allowed up to 200 miles but those waters are not to be claimed.

4. Any breaking of these demands may result in further sanctions upon Feline Catfish including diplomatic sanctions, embargoes, blockades, and possible military force.

We ask for all nations who fill threatened by actions taken by Feline Catfish to support this coalition. Feline Catfish will be sent a link of this ultimatum and will have only 72 hours to either agree or deny to these stipulations. If they do not agree to these actions, further sanctions can and will be placed and possible military intervention is possible.

Premier Daniel C. Dufour
Premier of the CCP of CL
New Orleans, Louisiana, CL
Founder of the Warsaw Treaty Org.

The UPR wishes to know Feline Catfish did to Communist Louisiana that CL is threatening war over? We hold that what FC does internally is the business of FC and does not concern the imperialists in CL.

You completely missed his arguement, this is about role-play. He's not made his small nation out to be a nation of soldiers with a 100% of their citizens counting towards his army. He's tried hard, he's been reasonable about his forces, perhaps it's unlikely given his nations stats... but hell, his nation is only about a week old, it hasn't had a chance for him to even make it the way he wants.

OOC:
I disagree that his claims to the size of his military, and his scientific capabilities are reasonable. I didn't, on the other hand, claim he was god-moding.

However

You bring up some good points here, especially with regards to the age of his nation. He Hasn't had the time to build his nation.

In addition, the argument about freeform roleplay I can't think of a single decent counter to. I'd prefer people erred on the side of leniency with anything I did. In fact, they've done it in the past. So I'll concede that it's possible for a nation of his size to have a negligible number of tactical defense nukes... which is all he's really claiming to have. I'll stop being an ass, and RP this through.
/ooc

With the current situation in Feline Catfish escalating, we see it as our duty to have this crazed monarchist stopped at any cost. Feline Catfish has broken many international laws that not only put our own nations at risk, but put there own citizens on a path that will end in destruction. With these conditions, we see it fit to stop these atrocious actions that put the entire world at risk.

We are asking all nations who fill threatened by the current actions to please support our newly founded coalition to make Feline Catfish cease and desist. We would like to handle the whole ordeal through diplomacy and sanctions but we will not put possible military intervention off the table as a possible action.

We ask that Feline Catfish please take the following actions so that further sanctions or possible conflicts may not erupt.

1. All of Feline Catfishes nuclear stockpiles are to be handed over and/or destroyed by coalition forces. We will happily reimburse Feline Catfishes for these weapons.

2. All facilities that have housed or have been expected of housing nuclear weapons are to be inspected by groups of inspectors from nations apart of this respected coalition. These inspectors shall have free reign to all facilities that possible nuclear weapons could be hidden at, access to documents having to do with the nuclear weapons, and access to interviews with personal that may know something about such weapons

3. Feline Catfishes territorial claims of 100 nm out to see will not be allowed. Standard law states that claims may extend to a maximum or 40 nm. Platform drilling is allowed up to 200 miles but those waters are not to be claimed.

4. Any breaking of these demands may result in further sanctions upon Feline Catfish including diplomatic sanctions, embargoes, blockades, and possible military force.

We ask for all nations who fill threatened by actions taken by Feline Catfish to support this coalition. Feline Catfish will be sent a link of this ultimatum and will have only 72 hours to either agree or deny to these stipulations. If they do not agree to these actions, further sanctions can and will be placed and possible military intervention is possible.

Premier Daniel C. Dufour
Premier of the CCP of CL
New Orleans, Louisiana, CL
Founder of the Warsaw Treaty Org.

The UPR wishes to know Feline Catfish did to Communist Louisiana that CL is threatening war over? We hold that what FC does internally is the business of FC and does not concern the imperialists in CL.
Also, regarding your refusal to recognize 100 nm of territorial waters, there is no law on NS that says he is limited to 40. Even if there is, I highly doubt FC is a signatory nation and hence, cannot be held to account for breaking a law which he never agreed to. Whittier for one has never seen, signed, nor agreed to any treaty making such limits on territorial sea claims.

From the King's Desk

We are in full agreement with the nation of Communist Louisiana in the Feline Catfish incident. Already, they have proven to recklessly use nuclear weapons, and plan to do so again if they do not gain their 100 nautical mile boundary that they have claimed.

However, in this, they have broken international law, and therefore, we must stop this rogue state from causing devastation not only to others but to themselves. Thus, I hereby back this coalition.

Signed,
King Alexander I, Constitutional Monarch of Geisenfried
Where was this that they supposedly used nukes and under what circumstances? What international laws has FC broken?

OOC. This is pointless. Catfish has NO military whatsoever:

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/nationdata.cgi/nation=Feline_Catfish

Look for "defense" under Govt.
OOC: You can't force anyone to go by that. If I am correct, mods have stated in earlier posts from a few months back, that offsite economic calculators cannot be enforced on other players. I think it might be in one of their stickies.

Fine, post a link to where you RP-ed getting that money, and we'll let that slide. But first you need to recognize that your positions on the issues determine your economy. Lets take a quick look at your economy, courtesy of NS XML: http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/nationdata.cgi/nation=Feline_Catfish


You're currently spending 44% of your budget on commerce. That's what gives you such a great economyou wouldn't have a GDP so large if you taxed your corporations, and you only tax a portion of your GDP.

This is not a calculator, these are the facts about your nation.

Furthermore, you profess to be developing a nuclear programme, and have sold cruiser designs for hundreds of billions of dollars.

You spend no money on education. Unless you spent money to import scientists from elsewhere you wouldn't have been capable of developing a design worth selling.

I've been really nice about this situation thus far. So has the rest of the RP community here. Yoou're trying to RP well, and those of us that recognize the potential you have. But you can't just make stuff up about your nation.

If your nation has a frightening economy, and the reason it has a frightening economy is because your government doesn't tax anyone, then you can't claim to have a governmental military, because there's no way for your government to support such a thing.

Now, in that situation, if you want to make a viable claim that your nation's military is made up of corporate security forces, then you can fight wars.

But so far, your claims aren't viable. According to this calculator: http://www.sunsetrpg.com/economystatistics.php

Your nation has a 42% literary rate. And yet you claim your scientists have come up with advanced strike cruiser plans? When you claim earlier in this thread that your current naval fleet is made up of WWII era destroyers with harpoon missiles tacked on?

Even that isn't possible when you don't fund a military. We like some of your RP Ideas, they're interesting, but they're not viable. And it's not fun to polay with you when we point this out, and you ignore us.

because of your gung-ho attitude here, I'm debating using the IGNORE Cannon, that is, unless you start listening to us.

As stated earlier, you have no legal grounds to force him to rp such stats regardless of where they come from.

Fluffywuffy: Guffingfords Reference Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=415725)

I've looked around a bit and it looks like some people have already done this whole reference thing because there are like 23 odd threads for the guy to look through... my addition with the latest threads is on the last post along with some words from a mod who is getting a little tired of the huge number of threads people are asking for FC to read.

The Isle of Skye Thanks for paying attention, it's nice that some people are paying attention... alot of people, namely Green Sun, just won't shut up OOC bitching about how he should have listened all along and totally followed non-existant rules about nuclear weapons.

Frankly, it's got to the point where the only OOC posts should be organising the in character stuff instead of bitching about what he has done wrong. Some people are trying to RP inbetween alot of this and the majority of the posts are OOC.

Whittier: I know you want to help FC out, but quote the entire post you are replying to isn't needed; cut it down to the bit you are specifically replying to and cut down on all bits we've all read... people just need to know what you are replying to and who you are replying to, not the entire 500 word original post.

OCC: Sorry for the delay, I have been working today and then had to go mothers day shopping. I will reply to all post tomorrow night. Fluffywuffy, please contact me on MSN as soon as possible and we can work out plans and what not. I am still trying to finish up my massive military purchases.

Where was this that they supposedly used nukes and under what circumstances? What international laws has FC broken?

I'm not participating in this treaty anymore, but if you read the original thread, and the one where he claims 100 nautical miles around his coast, you'll see what I mean.

ooc: Can you stupid calculator merchants just go away? I'm willing to follow them to determine GDP and GDP per Capita, but it is me, as the roleplayer, that sets budget percentages and taxes. I know that the XML feed from NationStates also appears to show those things, but I want to roleplay a nation, not carefully manipulate its stats over RP decades or even centuries to make changes that are determined on a seemingly random basis which, if this were a real nation, I could change with a snap of my asolutionist fingers.

Still, I get the impression that realism isn't big on NationStates, with some bizzare law of physics about demographically small nations not being able to physically transport nuclear weapons over the threshold of their territorial waters. One of the reasons Im considering leaving.

ooc: Can you stupid calculator merchants just go away? I'm willing to follow them to determine GDP and GDP per Capita, but it is me, as the roleplayer, that sets budget percentages and taxes. I know that the XML feed from NationStates also appears to show those things, but I want to roleplay a nation, not carefully manipulate its stats over RP decades or even centuries to make changes that are determined on a seemingly random basis which, if this were a real nation, I could change with a snap of my asolutionist fingers.

Still, I get the impression that realism isn't big on NationStates, with some bizzare law of physics about demographically small nations not being able to physically transport nuclear weapons over the threshold of their territorial waters. One of the reasons Im considering leaving.

ooc: can you post a map please I am making a collection so I can come closer to making a map of the world

EDiT: I will gladly make the map should you ask

ooc: Can you stupid calculator merchants just go away? I'm willing to follow them to determine GDP and GDP per Capita, but it is me, as the roleplayer, that sets budget percentages and taxes. I know that the XML feed from NationStates also appears to show those things, but I want to roleplay a nation, not carefully manipulate its stats over RP decades or even centuries to make changes that are determined on a seemingly random basis which, if this were a real nation, I could change with a snap of my asolutionist fingers.

Still, I get the impression that realism isn't big on NationStates, with some bizzare law of physics about demographically small nations not being able to physically transport nuclear weapons over the threshold of their territorial waters. One of the reasons Im considering leaving.

You know what? Thist guy has something here! If he leaves he can't cause anymore trouble! :D

ooc: can you post a map please I am making a collection so I can come closer to making a map of the world

EDiT: I will gladly make the map should you ask

You are trying to make a map of the WHOLE WORLD?! Good luck with that. There are over 10,000 nations here! :eek:

You know what? Thist guy has something here! If he leaves he can't cause anymore trouble! :D


OOC: Knock it off, it's people like YOU who are making FC feel unwelcome on this site. Is this the kind of message we want to send to our new RPers?

EDIT: And correction, there are over 130,000 nations in NS.

ooc: For those still going on about costs - I ignore percentages in GDP calculators. I'm RPing my nation, not some damn calculator, so I set my own budget percentages. Not to mention that I sold production rights to my Battle Class Destroyer for $600bn to Cotland, and received $700bn from Space Union. I received a further $200bn from various other nations. And no, Communist Lousiana, you didnt learn anything about my nation with spy-plane overflies. Not unless you RP it.
Do you understand that this is constructive critisim? We nations are just trying to help you out. It would be in your best interests to take this advice, or at least consider it. Please.

ooc: Can you stupid calculator merchants just go away? I'm willing to follow them to determine GDP and GDP per Capita, but it is me, as the roleplayer, that sets budget percentages and taxes. I know that the XML feed from NationStates also appears to show those things, but I want to roleplay a nation, not carefully manipulate its stats over RP decades or even centuries to make changes that are determined on a seemingly random basis which, if this were a real nation, I could change with a snap of my asolutionist fingers.

Still, I get the impression that realism isn't big on NationStates, with some bizzare law of physics about demographically small nations not being able to physically transport nuclear weapons over the threshold of their territorial waters. One of the reasons Im considering leaving.
OMG FC! These calculators are jsut trying to help you RP more realisticly. The resulst just depend on how you decided on the daily issues that you get.

You are trying to make a map of the WHOLE WORLD?! Good luck with that. There are over 10,000 nations here! :eek:

yes....that's what im doing ;)

OMG FC! These calculators are jsut trying to help you RP more realisticly. The resulst just depend on how you decided on the daily issues that you get.
He doesn't need the calculators to rp realistically.

He doesn't need the calculators to rp realistically.
But it helps. according to the XML feed he does not spend a dime on defense, so where is his military coming from?

How does preventing me from controlling my own defence spending help me RP realisticly?

But it helps. according to the XML feed he does not spend a dime on defense, so where is his military coming from?

OOC: You know, the other guy who was arguing this much better then you has already dropped this OOC subject, I would suggest you do the same as most of the nations here (including both who are going to war with him) have left him to his small army... its hardly much as he's claiming it anyways. So give him a break.

But it helps. according to the XML feed he does not spend a dime on defense, so where is his military coming from?
the XML feed is just a guide. It is not mandated that you have to go by it. I use the NSEconomy cause I want to, not because I have to. Its up to the individual if they want to rp with it.

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OOC: Knock it off, it's people like YOU who are making FC feel unwelcome on this site. Is this the kind of message we want to send to our new RPers?

EDIT: And correction, there are over 130,000 nations in NS.OOC: I have to disagree with you to a certain extent. Yes, this whole gang-up on FC is deplorable and I doubt many of the RPers who are doing that would have done the same if it had been someone who's a known quantity.

However, I think FC shares some of the blame by being what I'd consider to be belligerent OOCly toward people who have offered him a helping hand as it pertains to RPing realistically, which looks like that's his goal.

A better example of what upsets you about I.I. is Feminany, especially when it came from D.A. At least Feminany wasn't unreasonable OOC.

Right, but according to the XMLs he's three days old.

Look, Normally I'd be all gung ho about XMLs, but as was pointed out to me earlier this is a really young nation. At first, I opposed his nuclear abilities, but you know, this is a huge RP. Lets just let it happen and err on the side of leniency? He may not have even gotten an issue that allows him to spend on defence, so for now, let's give him the ability to say that he spends some of that cash on a military. If he was huge, and didn't spend a dime, that would be one thing, this, is another.

the XML feed is just a guide. It is not mandated that you have to go by it. I use the NSEconomy cause I want to, not because I have to. Its up to the individual if they want to rp with it.
I've never said that he has too. He just should use, because it will be benefical to him. I never said he had too.

Right, but according to the XMLs he's three days old.

Look, Normally I'd be all gung ho about XMLs, but as was pointed out to me earlier this is a really young nation. At first, I opposed his nuclear abilities, but you know, this is a huge RP. Lets just let it happen and err on the side of leniency? He may not have even gotten an issue that allows him to spend on defence, so for now, let's give him the ability to say that he spends some of that cash on a military. If he was huge, and didn't spend a dime, that would be one thing, this, is another.
Your right. I still say he should use these feeds.

OOC: You know, the other guy who was arguing this much better then you has already dropped this OOC subject, I would suggest you do the same as most of the nations here (including both who are going to war with him) have left him to his small army... its hardly much as he's claiming it anyways. So give him a break.
I shall I shall, but give peace a chance.