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"Seeing the recent threats to our national sovereignty merely through developing nuclear weapons, we have decided that in order to use nuclear weapons legally against an invading fleet at a great enough range to not affect our own nation, we must extend our territorial waters to 100nm from our nation.

That is all."

King George III
Populist Monarch of Feline Catfish

We welcome Feline Catfish to your wanted 100 nanometers(nm) even thought most nations want 20 miles.

ooc: Oh what a wit.

"Seeing the recent threats to our national sovereignty merely through developing nuclear weapons, we have decided that in order to use nuclear weapons legally against an invading fleet at a great enough range to not affect our own nation, we must extend our territorial waters to 100nm from our nation.

That is all."

King George III
Populist Monarch of Feline Catfish


OOC: The use of nuclear weapons would affect your nation anyways due to tides and weather. Fallout would come via wind and rain, and other nuclear material would wash up on the shores. I would post everything I posted about the Chernobyl incident in your other thread here, but I'm too lazy. :p
Anyhow... Yeah. Nuclear weapons over water are never a good thing. They kill fish and ruin the environment in the long run.

OOC my, my, Feline, you are most aggresive... perhaps somebody should teach you to bide your time?

OOC: Um...you don't exactly have the capabilities to enforce that 100 nautical mile boundary. And if you nuke anyone who comes within 100 miles of your nation...then you'd be acting like a n00b, and no one wants that. Rather than spending a huge amount of money on the upkeep of you nukes, you could destroy a few of them, spend the money on a navy, and actually RP defending against invasions, which is wholly more enjoyable.

Well, that's my two cents. Ignore it or heed it, whatever suits you best.

((Assuming you meant "Nautical Mile" rather than "Nanometer"...))

Official Imperial Response

100 nm? Ridiculous. Even some of the most powerful navies in the world would have difficulty maintaining security over such a large amount of space. And, given your current situation, you may have neither the funding nor the manpower to protect such a large area of open sea.
We do not recognize your claim to such a large area of sea, and our ships will NOT change course. Should you attack any Risban ships or ships from other nations due to this illegal claim, we will respond militantly.

-Grand Admiral Eric Tarda, Minister of Naval Affairs

Official Proclomation
Although we respect Feline Catfish' national sovereignty, including the right to purchase or produce weapons of nuclear capabilities, we do not support their decision to claim international waters. Doing so is just overstepping the right given to you as a sovereign nation, and if Feline Catfish continues with her policies of belligerence we will have to retract our offer of moral support.

Moreover, of greater importance, our ships will not change course, just because of an illegal proclomation by the government of Feline Catfish. It is to say, the Macabee administration does not recognize this claim.

We thank you for your time,

[signed]Jonach I

Official Dracun Response
You make me laugh

~Ordered By The Dracun Dread Lord Himself.

OOC: Now, now....calm down, Feline Catfish. No need to anger the whole world.

"Seeing the recent threats to our national sovereignty merely through developing nuclear weapons, we have decided that in order to use nuclear weapons legally against an invading fleet at a great enough range to not affect our own nation, we must extend our territorial waters to 100nm from our nation.

That is all."

King George III
Populist Monarch of Feline Catfish

TO: Feline Catfish
CC: All Bandwidths to All Nations
FROM: No Endorse

The nation of No Endorse reminds Feline Catfish that territorial waters usually don't exceed fifty nautical miles. Any number over that is a result of a nonagression pact between two nations. Also, the use of any nuclear weapons against No Endorse or any state with diplomatic ties with No Endorse is considered a blatant act of war, as is the use of nuclear warheads against any nation not an explicit enemy of No Endorse, and will be responded in like terms, on a much grander scale.

If you would like to reduce your territorial waters back down to no more than fifty nautical miles and withdrawl the threat of nuclear force, we would be interested in helping to protect these waters with some of our six-sixty-eight Los Angeles class nuclear submarines currently in reserve. Our offer of peace still stand, and will for some time pending circumstances changing. We will have a Gulfstream IV on standby if you wish to transport a diplomat to our nation for a diplomatic meeting.

Section pertaining to all nations preparing to invade Feline Catfish

Please withold any and all military action while diplomacy is attempted and we mobalise our fleet. If diplomacy succeeds, we save much money averting nuclear war. If diplomacy fails, we want our fleet there to aid you.

END TRANSMISSION



ooc: Seriously, the disasters of Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Long Island, Chernobyl, et cetera are like a butterflie's cough compared to the power of a modern nuclear warhead.

Be aware that a nuclear warhead will cause massive ammounts of damage to your own coast and your territorial waters if you drop them anywhere near your nation, or anywhere in the world for that matter. Geiger counters went crazy in Alaska, Poland, and England when Chernobyl went critical, so I don't want to imagine what this would do.

Well stated, No Endorse...

His Majesty's Government states that any effort to enforce this illegal and unjustifiable extension of maritime sovereignty will be ignored. One hundred nautical miles is far beyond what reason and the freedom of trade can permit.

Sincerely,

The Rt. Hon. Sir George Fredericks, KL, MP, CS, PC, RC
Minister for Foreign Affairs and International Development
UKIN

***Official Proclimation***
The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom
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Made by: Multiple Persons (Signitures Below)

We have to agree with The Wise Nation of The Macabees. Anything farther than 20 Nauticle Miles from your shoreline is considered International Waters by International Law. Any attempt to attack a ship belonging to The Holy Empire, or any company within The Holy Empire will be considered an act of war against The Holy Empire and it's people and will be met with full retalliation. Any more threats made to the Holy Empire, or any other nation that wishes to use International Waters around your nation, will be met with full force from The Holy Empire.

We will be watching you!

Signed on this Holy Day, April 28th:
Mr. Shaz Bot
Emporer

Mr. Larry Williams
Minister of Forign Affairs

Mr. John J. Adams
Speaker of the Parliment
~~~End Transmission~~~




Secret IC: (Which means you don't know this is happening)

The USS Wolverine, a Kuznetsov-class Aircraft Carrier, is on it's way back to port from a short tour of duty to drop supples off at a newly built Embasy. It's course makes it run within 30 miles of a nation that they have round out to be Feline Catfish. Radio traffic tells them that any ships comming within 100nm of the coastline of Feline Catfish will make them get attacked by nuclear weaponry. They just recieved orders from Shazbotdom Naval Command to hold their course and have all aircraft be taken below deck along with all unimportant crewmembers just in case of an attack. They keep trekking along...

ooc: Seriously, the disasters of Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Long Island, Chernobyl, et cetera are like a butterflie's cough compared to the power of a modern nuclear warhead.

Be aware that a nuclear warhead will cause massive ammounts of damage to your own coast and your territorial waters if you drop them anywhere near your nation, or anywhere in the world for that matter. Geiger counters went crazy in Alaska, Poland, and England when Chernobyl went critical, so I don't want to imagine what this would do.
As I posted in the other thread, a nuclear missile would not have nearly as many bad effects as a nuclear reactor melting down. Modern warheads have a bigger boom (especially H-bombs) but don't use much more radioactive material. More immediate damage in the immediate vicinity, but not much more than Hiroshima when it comes to long-term and long-range damage. A bit more, yes, but not a ton. Still, avoiding nuclear war is good, don't get me wrong :)

As I posted in the other thread, a nuclear missile would not have nearly as many bad effects as a nuclear reactor melting down. Modern warheads have a bigger boom (especially H-bombs) but don't use much more radioactive material. More immediate damage in the immediate vicinity, but not much more than Hiroshima when it comes to long-term and long-range damage. A bit more, yes, but not a ton. Still, avoiding nuclear war is good, don't get me wrong :)


OOC: Check your TG's, please. ;)

"I have been taken aback by the actions of the rogue nation of Feline Catfish, and find such decisions to be highly destructive to your own nation, and your own people. The decision to focus on the production of nuclear weapons was an immature choice, rather than focusing on other dilemmas that any fledgling nation receives. Euroslavia must make its voice heard that we grow weary of your worthless tactics at scaring your opponents out of going against you. Consider this an official warning that if you don't change the ways of your nation, you are flirting with disaster. We cannot say that Euroslavia will be the nation that ends your rogue activities, but a nation will step up, whether you'll like it or not, and will oppose you to the end. I'd watch your steps carefully if I were you. We are watching your decisions very closely..."

Lady Destra nos Thiendrel,
Free Dictator of Euroslavia

Risban: Thanks.
IC:
Pacific Northwesteria can not stand by these latest brash actions of Feline Catfish, even though we offered to protect them from foreign invaders. It is our opinion, though it may or may not be shared by other members, that this violates all that the OMP stands for, and so I, in good conscience, can not help you. Unless you rescind this policy, Pacific Northwesteria with withdraw her fleets from their duties protecting Feline Catfish and have no further dealings with you.

Here we are again...wiht this act you are with international law, we feel that your acts from the past and present are endangering your people... we feel that it is time for you to drop your acts of blatant disregard of any authority of all... We feel that you are trying to intermediate the world with your nuclear weapons, when we have bombs far more capable of annihilating your entire country...

IC: The nation of Leafanistan finds your request laughable but still somewhat serious. We will not re-route our automated freighters and any attack on any Leafanistan vessel violating this 100 nm extension (Violation of international waters, btw) will result in immediate retaliation. Including submarine patrols of your soverign waters, airstrikes, and preemptive EMP strikes to destroy any nuclear capability your nation has. We are a powerful nation with a massive military force and are perfectly willing to go to war to protect our interests. You have been warned.

To King George III:
Nukes schmooks. We have antimatter!

PN: I stand corrected. ;)

IC:
Follow-Up Statement

The Grand Imperium of Risban will also like to bring this to the attention of the international community:
Feline Catfish has stated that they wish to expand their territorial waters so that they could use nuclear weapons without being more of a threat to themselves.
Now, this is the first nation we have seen who has been so blatantly bold as to announce that they are increasing things because they PLAN on using MORE nuclear weapons.
Thus, the Risban Imperium agrees with the Euroslavic People... Feline Catfish should be an armed and militant rogue nation. We will say here and now that should Feline Catfish dare attack any ship more than forty kilometers from Feline Catfish's coastline, the full forces of the Imperial Army will be ready to respond.
Consider this a warning to what we consider a threat to world peace.

~Emperor Robinson A. Scorpius~

IC: Leafanistan proposes that we unite sending our respective fleets to that border to watch our ships pass through unmolested by this blatant disregard of international law.

OOC: And this will be an interesting chance to spy on each other's fleets.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=415615

all should read this

Official Response

100 nanometers? That's a paltry 0.0000000000000621371192 miles. Which is 0.000000000328083989 feet. Which is 0.00000000393700787 inches. Enjoy your coastline.

-The Ministry of Math.

Official Response

100 nanometers? That's a paltry 0.0000000000621371192 miles. Which is 0.000000328083989 feet. Which is 0.00000393700787 inches. Enjoy your coastline.

-The Ministry of Math.


OOC: LOL (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=nanometer)

SECRET IC:

The USS Wolverine slowly approaches on The Rouge Nation of Feline Catfish's false "100 mile water territory". T Minus 2 hours till it crosses the line. General quarters is sounded across the ship as the small Anti-Aircraft guns on the side come powered up. Captain James T. Kelon looks at his watch quickly and then looks back out to the sea. What will he say to the crew? To prepare for an incomming atomic weapon? that their lives could be ended in an instant? The thoughts are running through his mind constantly as he paces back and forth insdie the bridge. A beep comes from a consol just in front of him and he looks down to it.


*Intership Communication*

From: HES Navy Command
To: Captain Kelon, USS Wolverine
Encription Algerithm: Epsilon Three Niner

You are to hit flank speed though Feline Catfish territory. When you reach within 32 miles of their shoreline drop to 2 knots. This is to call Feline Catifish's bluff. They will not have the guts to attack a ship of the Holy Empire of Shazbotdom. If a weapon is fired upon your vessel you are ordered to hit flank speed again and get out of there as quick as possible.

*End Transmission*

((LOL. Common, guys. He obviously thought this "NM" to be larger than a "KM", because obviously extending his waters on nanometer would not save him at all from nuclear explosions like she was taking about.))

((LOL. Common, guys. He obviously thought this "NM" to be larger than a "KM", because obviously extending his waters on nanometer would not save him at all from nuclear explosions like she was taking about.))


OOC: I think he meant Nautical Miles.

OOC: I think he meant Nautical Miles.


OOC: Probably.

((LOL. Common, guys. He obviously thought this "NM" to be larger than a "KM", because obviously extending his waters on nanometer would not save him at all from nuclear explosions like she was taking about.))
OOC: nm = nautical miles, standard term especially used in navies for measuring distances. 1nm = 1.852km or 1.151 miles.

Secret Communique to Shazbotdom:
We have noted your move against this rogue nation calling itself Feline Catfish. I would not underestimate their resolve to die in a nuclear fire. As a fellow member of the Ottoman Alliance, I must urge you to a course of caution.

However, I have mobilized two Airborne Divisions for action, should the need arise. If your ships are in any way attacked, we stand ready to help.

Emperor Dayan I

OFFICIAL COMMUNIQUE

To: Malyker

We know that he will not launch at us. And it will take several minutes for the missiles to reach us. In the time it takes for his missiles to reach the location of our Carrier, it will be well beyond the initial blast radius and will be going faster than the blast can spread around

Emperor Shaz Bot

Battlecarrier Resolution, approaching Feline Catfish's new territorial waters

"Tovarishch Kapitan!" echoed a young, enthusiastic and inexperienced voice as it ran along the passage to the Captain's cabin. "Tovarishch Kapitan!!" Ther voice was being pursued by its enunciator, a beardless boy with a shock of brown hair, his boots skidding along the dull metal plating as he sprinted to the Captain's cabin. He was just taking in air to shout yet again when the Captain, dressed only in his pyjamas, (which were monogrammed with "AJH") rounded the bend in front of him. The seaman's face switched to abrupt shock as he desperately attempted to brake and avoid hitting the Captain - who merely sidestepped neatly as the boy finally halted. He smiled pleasantly, concealing his deep irritation at having been awakened from his peaceful sleep.

"Yes?"

"New radio message sir, marked urgent!" The boy proffered the message, thrusting it at his chest.

"Thankyou, seaman," replied AJH, unfolding the paper.

NORTHERN FLEET PRIORITY TRANSMISSION INCOMING...STANDBY...
STANDBY...
STANDBY...
MESSAGE RECEIPT COMMENCING...
==========================================================
COTD NF/OSF (28/04/05)
TO: BATTLEGRP RESOLUTION
FROM: NF COMMAND
PRIORITY: URGENT
ACCESS: SENIOR AND WARRANT OFFICERS
MESSAGE:
==========================================================
Feline Catfish delcraed 100 nmi nat waters. Several hostile grps in area. Attempt interdiction. Prevent forces contacting if possible. All force authorised in defence of your group. Firebreather and BG en route, ETA 04:30 your time.
End.

"AJH" pondered the message for a few moments. It wasn't what he had been expecting; that said, he expected to expect the unexpected, these days, so perhaps it was after all. After some further consideration, he turned to the seaman, still stolidly waiting for the reply.

"Make to Admiralty, from Resolution: 'Understood; will attempt. Request constant intel updates as arrive.' Get that off immediately." The boy took off down the corridor, his "yes sir" ringing away behind him, and "AJH" went to don his uniform.

A coalition (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8773217#post8773217) has been formed to attempt make Feline Catfish work towards peaceful solutions towards its problems and stop these unlawful claims.

Please yeild these insane claims. 40 miles is more than sufficent for territorial waters, and maybe 100 for an exclusive economic zone.

-Shah Khosru III

OOC Note: The battlegroup has in it two battleship-carriers, plus six cruisers (two heavy and four light) and twelve destroyers. A separate force of 6 attack submarines (class Sierra-III) is considered to be part of the BG as it is commanded by the BG commander.

OFFICIAL TROUSINIAN RELEASE

TROUSRS supports Feline Catfish's claim to 100nautical miles off of the course of it's borders, and will defend this boundry if required.

(OOC: So.. I'm bored..)

OOC Note: The battlegroup has in it two battleship-carriers, plus six cruisers (two heavy and four light) and twelve destroyers. A separate force of 6 attack submarines (class Sierra-III) is considered to be part of the BG as it is commanded by the BG commander.

OOC: 12 destroyers? No frigates? 6 subs by themselves? Are the subs out of the reach of protection of the main force?

To all involved in this crisis

Our nation has taken upon herself the burden of attempting to ensure that this situation does not escalate still further. We do not wish to see further nuclear force being employed by Feline Catfish. Nor, however do we weish to see Feline Catfish invaded and disarmed - or worse, dismembered. Our sole concern is to prevent the wasting of human lives in their thousands for the sake of paranoia and mistaken moralising.

Please, we request that all parties consider most strongly the consequences of their actions hereafter. There is no need to follow the seemingly inevitable path of war, with its ever-present cost in resources and lives. Our government is certain that a diplomatic settlement, satisfactory to all parties and arranged with their consent, can be arranged, and will be happy to host discussions of such a matter.

There is no need to draw the knife with the same hand that might conclude a peace.

P.S.: Do not, we must impress upon you, consider that this means our forces in the area will not defend themselves. If our ships or aircraft are attacked they are authorised to respond with all force they deem necessary for their survival.

To all involved in this crisis

Our nation has taken upon herself the burden of attempting to ensure that this situation does not escalate still further. We do not wish to see further nuclear force being employed by Feline Catfish. Nor, however do we weish to see Feline Catfish invaded and disarmed - or worse, dismembered. Our sole concern is to prevent the wasting of human lives in their thousands for the sake of paranoia and mistaken moralising.

Please, we request that all parties consider most strongly the consequences of their actions hereafter. There is no need to follow the seemingly inevitable path of war, with its ever-present cost in resources and lives. Our government is certain that a diplomatic settlement, satisfactory to all parties and arranged with their consent, can be arranged, and will be happy to host discussions of such a matter.

There is no need to draw the knife with the same hand that might conclude a peace.

P.S.: Do not, we must impress upon you, consider that this means our forces in the area will not defend themselves. If our ships or aircraft are attacked they are authorised to respond with all force they deem necessary for their survival.



The Grand Imperium of Risban has attempted to ask Feline Catfish to open negotiations. Their king responded by insulting our Emperor. Feline Catfish does not want peace. They want bombs. Their FIRST action on the international stage was acquiring nuclear weapons. This was proceeded by a war in which they deployed those weapons.
Then they outrageously claim international waters so that they could use MORE bombs.
We will not stand for this.

-Grand Admiral Eric Tarda

To all involved in this crisis

Our nation has taken upon herself the burden of attempting to ensure that this situation does not escalate still further. We do not wish to see further nuclear force being employed by Feline Catfish. Nor, however do we weish to see Feline Catfish invaded and disarmed - or worse, dismembered. Our sole concern is to prevent the wasting of human lives in their thousands for the sake of paranoia and mistaken moralising.

Please, we request that all parties consider most strongly the consequences of their actions hereafter. There is no need to follow the seemingly inevitable path of war, with its ever-present cost in resources and lives. Our government is certain that a diplomatic settlement, satisfactory to all parties and arranged with their consent, can be arranged, and will be happy to host discussions of such a matter.

There is no need to draw the knife with the same hand that might conclude a peace.

P.S.: Do not, we must impress upon you, consider that this means our forces in the area will not defend themselves. If our ships or aircraft are attacked they are authorised to respond with all force they deem necessary for their survival.


You strongly suggest peace, yet send military forces into foriegn waters, suggesting a threatening use of them?

OOC: 12 destroyers? No frigates? 6 subs by themselves? Are the subs out of the reach of protection of the main force?

Yes, 12 destroyers. It's a scratch group after all, besides which most of our frigates are old and I tend to not to employ them as western navies do (i.e. ancient Krivaks and Neustrashimiys, which I tend to use for littoral protection.) It's not an ideal battlegroup, I realise, and I suppose it looks unbalanced without frigates. *Shrug* - it makes my commander's life a bit more difficult I suppose, which is fun. And yes, they are. Sort of. They can't be protected by the force's SAM or SSM belts, but they can be protected by carrier aircraft. Since their task is to operate largely independently, communicating with the carriers as necessary, they tend to stay out of range of the surface forces' protection.

You strongly suggest peace, yet send military forces into foriegn waters, suggesting a threatening use of them?

Not at all. The forces were originally sent to attempt to counter the nuclear blockade of FC; they're now there to attempt to act as a buffer between the two sides. No sense in starting a war because some poor sod gets a little nervous and has an itchy trigger finger.

200 nuclear missiles is not an itchy trigger finger. It's asking for retaliation. However we shall not move upon a sovreign nation until they inflict casualties and all diplomatic channels have been exhausted; we strongly wish for peace. Leafanistan has no imperial motives and if it comes to military action we shall do our best to minimize civilian casualties and will only move against their military forces. Our anti-material weaponry is of great accuracy and can take out missile trucks and silos easily. EMP weapons can disable electronic weapons and render tanks, ships, aircraft useless without harming people.

Leafanistan along with all our allied nations have every wish for peace and the restoration of a reasonable limit to Feline Catfish's territorial waters. We only wish for our merchant ships to operate freely in what is rightly international waters. However diplomatic channels haven't been opened and a significant nuclear deployment has already happened. But we shall allow DontPissUsOff to try to open diplomatic channels. However if casualties are inflicted on any ships or aircraft in the unified fleet; Leafanistan will not hesitate to act and defend her ships and the ships of her allies.

***Official Proclimation***
The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom
http://www.theodora.com/flags/zi.gif

Made by: Multiple Government Officials (Signitures Below)

The Holy Empire has decided. Our ship is to continue on it's orriginal course through the 100 nauticle mile zone. It doesn't not have enough power to go around a zone of this size on it's way back to port. We will keep our ship on alert status for the meantime, but will not power up any offensive weapons as a sign of good faith to Feline Catfish. We will though, keep our Anti Aircraft batteries operational just in case of an attack upon our ship. It has minimal offensive weaponry anyways due to the fact that it was sripped down to supply an embasy that was just built.

We will NOT though, go around the 100 nautifle mile zone, our ship won't make it to port if we go around it.

Signed,
Mr. Shaz Bot
Emporer

Mr. Larry Williams
Minister of Forign Affairs

Mrs. Charrel Cralom
Minister of Public Relations

Grand Admiral James E. Rockenbach
Minister of Defence

Mr. George A. Loak
Minister of the Interior
~~~End Transmission~~~

Likewise our automated Freighters and merchant ships cannot make it to their destinations if we have to go around this new illegal boundary. Our fleets have shown they can defend themselves and Leafanistan's ships will stay on high alert to make sure another nuclear deployment will harm no one.

Andrew Higgs was worried. This was hardly a surprise; there were currently rather a lot of nuclear weapons pointing (or at least, possibly pointing) in his general direction, a fact that would make even the most hard-headed men just a tad uncomfortable. As if that wasn't bad enough, there were now other weapons pointing at Feline Catfish, and he had orders to sit between both and make sure that neither was used. Quite why they had been told to do so was beyond him. It wasn't as if the Republic was a particularly noted military power, after all; nobody was likely to care if they were to sit there, attempting to create peace, in the middle of the firing line, and nor would anyone worry about opening fire on them. Still, he thought, at least if I do get blown to very small pieces I'll be able to avoid those interminably dull bridge evenings the Wilsons are always inviting us to. He smiled wryly and went back to his monitor. The latest report showed a Shazbotdom carrier some way off to their north-west, steaming slowly into the large red circle around FC.

OOC: Oh, DPUO! Nice surprise to see such a lovely face here, among such war and threats and violence.

Captain John Mirsky watched from the bridge of the Destroyer Evolution the status of the unified fleet. He then noted the peacekeeping fleet sent by DontPissUsOff. He made a note to extend anti-missile cover over them. 'No need to have neutral forces blown to bits' he thought to himself. He tapped a few keys in and a bomber was redirected to fly near those ships. 'That should help protect them' he thought. He sat down and watched his convoy sail closer to the illegal border Feline Catfish created. He wondered how big the explosions would be when Feline Catfish fired more missiles and the LASER turrets responded. He hoped they would be big, pretty and non-lethal.

OOC: Ironic isn't it? I consider humanity to be a self-centred load of gits, for the most part, yet here I am trying to save non-existant lives. *Shrugs* I prove the nobility of humanity, I suppose. :D Care to join me?

OOC: A kindred spirit! I have no wish to see merchant ships sunk by nukes, and this is a peacekeeping action. It has always been that. We have no imperial motive.

Andrew Higgs was worried. This was hardly a surprise; there were currently rather a lot of nuclear weapons pointing (or at least, possibly pointing) in his general direction, a fact that would make even the most hard-headed men just a tad uncomfortable. As if that wasn't bad enough, there were now other weapons pointing at Feline Catfish, and he had orders to sit between both and make sure that neither was used. Quite why they had been told to do so was beyond him. It wasn't as if the Republic was a particularly noted military power, after all; nobody was likely to care if they were to sit there, attempting to create peace, in the middle of the firing line, and nor would anyone worry about opening fire on them. Still, he thought, at least if I do get blown to very small pieces I'll be able to avoid those interminably dull bridge evenings the Wilsons are always inviting us to. He smiled wryly and went back to his monitor. The latest report showed a Shazbotdom carrier some way off to their north-west, steaming slowly into the large red circle around FC.
In response to DPUO's efforts to defuse this situation, of the five fleets originally sent to counter the blockade around Feline Catfish two (the 1st and 2nd Littoral Defence Fleets) will be diverted to assist DPUO in his pacific endeavour. The other three will return home.

TO ALL NATIONS:

TROUSRS will be sending a cargo plane carrying Trousinian advisors to Feline Catfish. According to Trousinian international law, murder of any citizen of TROUSRS would result in a full-fledged war.

[ SECRET ]The cargo jet really contains 200 Trousinian Marines for "defensive pourposes" if called upon.

Owing to certain actions by a foreign power (Communist Louisiana), the three fleets that had diverted back home are returning to the disputed area to support the fleets presently in situ assisting DPUO. The HINMS Jimnam and its escorts will be joining them.

The alredy in situ 12th PoF of the Crookfur Navy is ordered to move to take up psotion alongside our Allies of DPUO and Isselmere

Provided that FC does not interfer with the free movement of international shipping outwith his national territorial waters of 20Nautical miles or act unreasonably towards civilian shipping moving through his 140km EEZ then the Nation of Crookfur will stand in thier defence and urge a peaceful conclusion to the situation.

ooc: I dont have time to read and reply to 4 pages of posts, so no individual responses. Sorry. If there was anything important then TG it to me.

IC: "We are not a member of the UN, nor have we signed any treaty which restricts naval claims, and so we are not bound by "International Law" if it even exists. Our claims are therefore bound only by our ability to enforce them, and we will simply destroy, via nuclear device, anything that enters FC waters. Anything. On the other hand, all of you claiming to have freighters going through the 100nm are sadly mistaken. Feline Catfish is a great distance from anything not least major shipping lanes (indeed no one even knew or cared about us until we tried to defend ourselves against all you Imperialists) and so there is currently no legitimate traffic going through the 100nm zone. Any diversion of traffic through the zone without our approval is illegal, and will be subject to nuclear attack. We will not allow any foreign troops on our soil."

King George III
Populist Monarch of Feline Catfish

The Repiblic's Foreign Ministry should like to inform the Kingdom of Felin Catfish that our missions is totally pacific, and considers that King George ought perhaps to note that, with more than enough nuclear warheads to erase half of the planet's life currently pointing in the direction of his nation, he would do well to consider rescinding this claim, which can only be intended as an exercise in point-proving, for the benefit of his nation.

Please note further that attack upon our vessels, intended only to prevent your utter annihilation, will result in a retaliatory strike with submarine-launched ballistic missiles, armed with both thermonuclear and biological warheads.

The Repiblic's Foreign Ministry should like to inform the Kingdom of Felin Catfish that our missions is totally pacific, and considers that King George ought perhaps to note that, with more than enough nuclear warheads to erase half of the planet's life currently pointing in the direction of his nation, he would do well to consider rescinding this claim, which can only be intended as an exercise in point-proving, for the benefit of his nation.

Please note further that attack upon our vessels, intended only to prevent your utter annihilation, will result in a retaliatory strike with submarine-launched ballistic missiles, armed with both thermonuclear and biological warheads.
His Majesty's Government would like to add, "What DPUO just said."

ooc: I dont have time to read and reply to 4 pages of posts, so no individual responses. Sorry. If there was anything important then TG it to me.
====SNIP====

ooc: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8772334&postcount=11

Peace offer in that post.

IC: No Endorse's offer for peace still stands. This is the last time we will offer. Afterwards, we will sever all diplomatic ties, and you're on your own

If you agree, we will aid you in protecting an area out to twenty or fifty nautical miles offshore. Also, we are happy to help negotiate a settlement between you and your agressors, even if those negotiations turn slightly "agressive." If things get too hot though, you'll be alone. We can't promise the world, but we can promise a possible way out of this conflict.

We have a transport plane ready to retrieve your diplomats if you wish us to supply transportation.

A Gulfstream IV jet and a Fast Response Assault Fleet are standing by, your choice which gets sent out today.

ooc: I dont have time to read and reply to 4 pages of posts, so no individual responses. Sorry. If there was anything important then TG it to me.

IC: "We are not a member of the UN, nor have we signed any treaty which restricts naval claims, and so we are not bound by "International Law" if it even exists. Our claims are therefore bound only by our ability to enforce them, and we will simply destroy, via nuclear device, anything that enters FC waters. Anything. On the other hand, all of you claiming to have freighters going through the 100nm are sadly mistaken. Feline Catfish is a great distance from anything not least major shipping lanes (indeed no one even knew or cared about us until we tried to defend ourselves against all you Imperialists) and so there is currently no legitimate traffic going through the 100nm zone. Any diversion of traffic through the zone without our approval is illegal, and will be subject to nuclear attack. We will not allow any foreign troops on our soil."

King George III
Populist Monarch of Feline Catfish

Vastiva recognizes the 100 nm limit, officially as "50 nm territorial waters and 50 nm 'no-sail' zone". We find this to be suitable compromise for paperwork, as Feline Catfish gets what it wants, the rest of the nations bureaucratic nonsense is appeased, and we can send our fleets home.

We would request from Feline Catfish the right to move our defense fleets into position to defend their nation, within their 100 nm boundary.

Nivia Alix von Cohen
Chief Herald
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

The Ships that made up the 1st and 2nd and 5th Fleet steamed steadily to there destination...

There was nothing that FC could throw at them they would be ready for them... and if the tried to nuke the fleet all out war would arise...

"This is you last warning FC take back you claim of 100NM or we will be forced to show you what Neoma is capabule of...And further note if you launch nukes at us we will not hesitate to send your country into the depths of hell itself with our nuclear missles.....wich are far more powerfully than yours...you have 24 hours to respond"

The fleet combined contains

35 Nimitz Class Aircraft Carriers
15 Sordiz Submersible Carriers
45 South Dakota Class Battleships
20 Hunter Killers(Submarine hunters and destroyers)
40 Anti-Air Dokma Class Ships
20 SSN Submarines
5 Hellfire Class Ships (nuclear capable ships)
70(support ships)

We are also calling upon our Mightor Space Station to Aid in our quest

The Ships that made up the 1st and 2nd and 5th Fleet steamed steadily to there destination...

There was nothing that FC could throw at them they would be ready for them... and if the tried to nuke the fleet all out war would arise...

"This is you last warning FC take back you claim of 100NM or we will be forced to show you what Neoma is capabule.

We stand with you.

FC this is unlawful expanstion. Our SSBN will remain in the area at undisclosed location keeping a watchful eye on events.

"It's just water. If he wants more seawater, we do't really give a damn. It's not like they can drink it. They can't cover that much water at all.

The recent actions of Feline Catfish have been quite alarming. First, she has the audacity to demand nuclear weapons. Now, she demands a border ranging one hundred nautical miles from her shore. We refuse to recognize this claim, and in turn demand that Feline Catfish tones down her aggressive policies. Although it seems that the international community is currently following a plan of appeasement, we will not tolerate any action that could destabalize the community and possibly end the world.

As a result, we ask that all other nations engage in a quarantine of the nation of Feline Catfish. With your cooperation we can successfully undermine Feline Catfish's economy, thus forcing her to concede.

The recent actions of Feline Catfish have been quite alarming. First, she has the audacity to demand nuclear weapons. Now, she demands a border ranging one hundred nautical miles from her shore. We refuse to recognize this claim, and in turn demand that Feline Catfish tones down her aggressive policies. Although it seems that the international community is currently following a plan of appeasement, we will not tolerate any action that could destabalize the community and possibly end the world.

As a result, we ask that all other nations engage in a quarantine of the nation of Feline Catfish. With your cooperation we can successfully undermine Feline Catfish's economy, thus forcing her to concede.
OOC: Dude he hasn't been on. We may have pissed him off so he left. Even though it's his own damn fault for not following the rules.

OOC: Dude he hasn't been on. We may have pissed him off so he left. Even though it's his own damn fault for not following the rules.

He is a defiant character, he won't have left, he's got too much support. Also, if he left then he's let all his hard work go to waste (which it will anyway if war breaks out).

The Crookfur Govenrment insisting in pointing out to the Feline Catfish administration that the 100nm limit is both farcical and potentially damaging to their nation.

First such a large area would require huge resoruces to effectively police or at least keep under surveilance and as it stands many countries have problems patroling the more traditional claims. A Quick estimate of required assets for such an area is something in the order of 40-50 large fixed wing maritime patrol aircraft, the same again of smaller fixed wing aircraft/UAVs and numerous rotary wing units, and that is just to provide surveilance against surface targets.

At the same time as you face such huge investment requirements you are also cutting yourself off from international trade normally a very silly thign to do but perhaps worse when you have hinted in your past communications that you are at least somewhat dependent on foreign imports to maintain your nation/economy. perhaps we are mistaken on that part if if you don't require imports why bother about blockades.

lastly a 100nm territorial limit does not give you any significant strategic military advantage, msot anval weapons operate from far beyond that range. Even 100nm is still a bit too close for comfort for nuclear weapons of any significant size and if you know that someone is coming to invade you why not strike earlier? as it stand all your claim means is that you are goign to be wastign expensive nukes on some poor fisherman whose GPS got broken in the last big storm....

Your new claim does not give you anythign you don't already have in the form of the traditional 140km EEZ.

"While we thank you for repeating the same point over and over again, ignoring my responses in favour of repetition, it really isn't necessary. Any ship that crosses the 100nm boundary will be destroyed (ooc: make a new thread if you want to do this), and if you do not intend to declare war in such a way, I advise you to shut up."

King George III
Populist Monarch of Feline Catfish

My ship only has enough fuel for the course that it has selected. It cannot go around the area in question as it will add another 120 miles to it's journey and will run out of fuel roughly 114 miles from the Holy Emprie's lands. We can not afford to send another ship to retrieve our carrier so it will continue on it's course through the 100 mile zone.


The Decision of the Holy Empire is final. The fate of our sailors is on the line.

Official Message to Shazbotdom

As our Eighth Fleet is in the area on a... diplomatic mission, we will gladly board your vessel, refuel it, and/or tow it to its destination.

We assure you, our air support will spot you long before you come to harm by violating FC's waters.

We do not require thanks for our actions, and will be deploying two destroyers and a fleet oiler to your location forthwith.

Fleet Admiral Ishtar Mesfin al-Din
Commander
Vastivan Eighth Fleet
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva


OOC: Pwned. :D

From: Isle of Skye Diplomatics Corps
To: Feline Catfish

The Isle of Skye Council of Clans has officially to recognize FC's New water border, 100 Nanometers from its shorelines.

Regards,
Head Emmisary, Richard Cunnignham XXXVIII

Note: Due to beaurocratic over exploding ness, and to translationess problems from for to Alliance initiative, any again submission of declaration will to take long time. If want less time, apply for alliance potential please thankyou, thanksgiving.

Translators to exist to work overtime.

Thank Much All You,
Diplomatic Corps of the Isle of Skye

Original Gaelic Follows...

From: Isle of Skye Diplomatics Corps
To: Feline Catfish

The Isle of Skye Council of Clans has officially to recognize FC's New water border, 100 Nanometers from its shorelines.

Regards,
Head Emmisary, Richard Cunnignham XXXVIII

Note: Due to beaurocratic over exploding ness, and to translationess problems from for to Alliance initiative, any again submission of declaration will to take long time. If want less time, apply for alliance potential please thankyou, thanksgiving.

Translators to exist to work overtime.

Thank Much All You,
Diplomatic Corps of the Isle of Skye

Original Gaelic Follows...

ooc: Someone cracked that joke on the first page. It wasnt funny then.

OOC:
My 1 nanometer ship is anchored in your 100 nanometer territorial waters. And there's nothing you can do to stop it!

OOC:
My 1 nanometer ship is anchored in your 100 nanometer territorial waters. And there's nothing you can do to stop it!
ooc: If you have nothing useful to add then dont post at all.

ooc: Someone cracked that joke on the first page. It wasnt funny then.

OOC: You should have been more specific in your statement. I.E. 100NM (Nautical Miles.) Unfortunately, my translators are overworked, as is the Council of Clans. It may take a while for our nation to officially recognize a Nautical Mile border, if the Council of Clans agrees. It's not a joke. This is why official treaties are specific. Are you going to attempt to reply to my nations transmission?

ooc: to Feline Catfish

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8779554&postcount=60

Linky to a post made earlier in the thread. Your response? I'd like to know, as it'll determine my stance in this conflict.

OOC: You should have been more specific in your statement. I.E. 100NM (Nautical Miles.) Unfortunately, my translators are overworked, as is the Council of Clans. It may take a while for our nation to officially recognize a Nautical Mile border, if the Council of Clans agrees. It's not a joke. This is why official treaties are specific. Are you going to attempt to reply to my nations transmission?
ooc: Do you honestly think that there is some confusion over whether I just declared ownership of 100 nanometres and 100 nautical miles? *rolleyes* And no, I'm not replying to your transmission because it's stupid.

ooc: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8772334&postcount=11

Peace offer in that post.

IC: No Endorse's offer for peace still stands. This is the last time we will offer. Afterwards, we will sever all diplomatic ties, and you're on your own

If you agree, we will aid you in protecting an area out to twenty or fifty nautical miles offshore. Also, we are happy to help negotiate a settlement between you and your agressors, even if those negotiations turn slightly "agressive." If things get too hot though, you'll be alone. We can't promise the world, but we can promise a possible way out of this conflict.

We have a transport plane ready to retrieve your diplomats if you wish us to supply transportation.

A Gulfstream IV jet and a Fast Response Assault Fleet are standing by, your choice which gets sent out today.

"With 100nm we can defend ourselves on our own. We wont need you. That's the whole point of claiming it. Therefore, thanks, but no thanks."

"With 100nm we can defend ourselves on our own. We wont need you. That's the whole point of claiming it. Therefore, thanks, but no thanks."

We are sorry to hear this. We can no longer help you. A Fast Response Assault fleet is being dispatched to ensure that no atrocities occur and to show No Endorse concern with the situation, but that is all we will do. Please do not use nuclear weapons period, they are more dangerous than you imagine. Captain Lance Skinner is in command of the fleet, any questions/comments/demands should be directed to him. The fleet will hold station at the one hundred and five nautical mile mark, and is only there to observe. And action against this fleet, or any craft that accidently drifts into the one hundred nautical mile mark will constitute an act of war. We will attempt to stay outside of your requested limit, but can not promise anything. Please be advised that two Ohio class SSBNs are accompanying this fleet.

ooc: it includes:
1 Nimitz class aircraft carrier
-4 C-2A Greyhound COD
-3 E-2C Hawkeye AWACS
-4 EA-6B Prowler
-4 EA-18A Growler
-12 EF-2000 Typhoon
-12 F-14D Tomcat
-16 F/A-18C Hornet
-16 F/A-18E Super Hornet
-2 HH-60H Sea Hawk
-8 S-3B Viking
-4 SH-60F Sea Hawk
1 Iowa Class Battleship
- 4 SH-60F LAMPS Seahawk
2 Leahy Class Cruisers
4 Spruance Class Destroyers
-2 SH-60F LAMPS Seahawk
2 Type 22 Broadsword Class Frigates
-1 Merlin (EH101)
2 Seawolf Class Attack Submarines
2 Sacramento Class
- 2 CH-46E Sea Knight

"Any ship that enters the 100 nautical mile mark will be legitimately destroyed in accordance with our prior delcaration. Otherwise we have no quarrel with you, and we shall allow you to waste time and money pointlessly stationing an expensive battlefleet just outside our waters.

Good day."

OFFICIAL COMMUNIQUE

To: Malyker

We know that he will not launch at us. And it will take several minutes for the missiles to reach us. In the time it takes for his missiles to reach the location of our Carrier, it will be well beyond the initial blast radius and will be going faster than the blast can spread around

Emperor Shaz Bot
Sorry, someone probably noted this already, but there is no way that you can outrun a nuclear missile. In the 5, maybe 10 minutes from launch to detonation, your carrier can travel maybe 5 miles. Well within the blast radius, and that's assuming instantaneous acceleration (no) and instantaneous communication and execution (no).

Pacific Northwesteria is saddened that FC is being so stubborn, and has begun moving its fleet (I posted #s in OOC thread) to join DPUO's et al. We will not let a war start over such a simple mistake. FC, any nuking of a foreign vessel (especially if it's commercial) inside your 100 NM zone will lead to war. There is nobody trying to invade you who can't be repulsed by the peacekeeping force if they fire the first shot. But if you fire a nuke, or 100, it really doesn't matter, you will bring suffering upon your people.

"Any ship that enters the 100 nautical mile mark will be legitimately destroyed in accordance with our prior delcaration. Otherwise we have no quarrel with you, and we shall allow you to waste time and money pointlessly stationing an expensive battlefleet just outside our waters.

Good day."

If sending a fleet in an attempt to prevent atrocities from being commited by either side is pointless, then the fleet will be recalled. You are now on your own in this.

Be advised that we will not prevent any nuclear detonations occuring in FC, nor will we send aid of any kind in the event of an invasion.

Again it is necessary to remind the leaderhsip of Feline Catfish that they are attempting to fight a battle which they cannot win. Do you not understand? Shoulds you carry out your threat, nuclear annihilation will promptly and speedily arrive from all corners of the globe. It is our intent to prevent such a death-dance occurring, but you are not being helpful in this matter.

The nuclear submarine HIMZ Apocalypse was cruising along the Feline Catfish shorelines on a scoutting mission when a transmission from the IZMC came. It brought news of Feline Catfish's demands. An order has been passed for HIMZ Apocalypse to return to her main fleet, the 5th fleet, 200 miles away. The fleet contained the Frigates HIMZ Zuo Chaoshun and Imperial, the Air Craft Carriers HIMZ Bailong and 50 other, smaller ships.

Zuo offers one statement: Feline Catfish must give up her claims on the waters, or face the nuclear power of HIMZ Apocalypse and the might of the Imperial Guards.

ooc: Do you honestly think that there is some confusion over whether I just declared ownership of 100 nanometres and 100 nautical miles? *rolleyes* And no, I'm not replying to your transmission because it's stupid.

OOC: You really don't know anything about diplomacy and linguistic barriers do you? *rolleyes*

The nuclear submarine HIMZ Apocalypse was cruising along the Feline Catfish shorelines on a scoutting mission when a transmission from the IZMC came. It brought news of Feline Catfish's demands. An order has been passed for HIMZ Apocalypse to return to her main fleet, the 5th fleet, 200 miles away. The fleet contained the Frigates HIMZ Zuo Chaoshun and Imperial, the Air Craft Carriers HIMZ Bailong and 50 other, smaller ships.

Zuo offers one statement: Feline Catfish must give up her claims on the waters, or face the nuclear power of HIMZ Apocalypse and the might of the Imperial Guards.

If ANY nuclear weapons are used on Catfish because Catfish used their arsenal to rid of hostile forces they will be fired apon with our napalm ARCHER missiles. Do you understand me? Nuclear missiles will not be used in this war unless they are used for defensive purposes only.

"Any strategic bombing or missiling against the Feline Catfish mainly will result in the complete nuclear destruction of the aggressor nation. We have pointed out our reasons for claiming a 100nm territorial waters, and frankly I dont see how it affects any of you at all. It does not go through any shipping lanes (ooc: Shazbotdom talk to me before moving my nation without my consent into a shipping lane. I have categorically stated that it is hundreds of miles away from anything, and that is my choice as owner of the nation) nor does it impinge on other territorial waters or economic exclusion zones. This is sheer warmongering on the part of Pacific Northwesteria and DontPissUsOff, and it isnt helping the situation at all.

PS. We thank the noble nation of Green Sun for their valued support."

King George III
Populist Monarch of Feline Catfish

PUBLIC STATEMENT
From: Prime Minister Lawrence Strachan

If Pacific Northwesteria or DontPissUsOff use any nuclear weapons or even attack FC in aggression against this 100nm limit then we will personally declare war on them and this may result in nuclear warfare. They are warmongerers and must be stopped, I hope more people from the FC sovereign defense pact show that they will do more than just words and they will take real action!

Do not tempt our patience, people of Somerset - we know full well the irritation you have caused certain friends and allies of ours, and there is little to stop us from infecting your population with enough pathogens to erase all humanity from existence. As for Feline Catfish? Well, if you're happy to be bombed into oblivion, so be it. Our units will remain on station until we decide to withdraw them, and unless you wish to reap a thousandfold that which you sow, you will avoid launching anything at them.

Leafanistan will continue its position that from the start was that this border is unacceptable and our naval force will stay on that border making sure no ships from our nation trade with yours. Consider this a full economic embargo.

"Any strategic bombing or missiling against the Feline Catfish mainly will result in the complete nuclear destruction of the aggressor nation. We have pointed out our reasons for claiming a 100nm territorial waters, and frankly I dont see how it affects any of you at all. It does not go through any shipping lanes (ooc: Shazbotdom talk to me before moving my nation without my consent into a shipping lane. I have categorically stated that it is hundreds of miles away from anything, and that is my choice as owner of the nation) nor does it impinge on other territorial waters or economic exclusion zones. This is sheer warmongering on the part of Pacific Northwesteria and DontPissUsOff, and it isnt helping the situation at all.

PS. We thank the noble nation of Green Sun for their valued support."

King George III
Populist Monarch of Feline Catfish
President Zwimbala was outraged.
"They said what?!?"
"They said that we were warmongering, sir."
"I'm sorry, I didn't quite catch that..."
"They named us as agressors, alongside our allies DPUO."
"Are they quite out of their skulls?"
"Yes, sir."
"Send the following message. It may be their last hope at reason, before nuclear destruction comes pounding on their door. Not from us, but from the more trigger-happy nations involved in this situation."
"Of course, sir."


We are greatly saddened, both by the fact that you maintain your stance on territorial waters, and by the fact that you consider us your enemies.
The noble fleets of Pacific Northwesteria and DPUO, as well as some of their allies [OOC: sorry, I forget who all's participating in this effort] have taken up a position between the edge of your 100nm zone and the opposing fleets who wish you harm. We are here on a peacekeeping mission, to prevent the worst case scenario, in which you feel it is necessary to use nuclear weapons to protect your country and touch off a large-scale exchange of nuclear missiles.
We are the nations who stand for peace, not on any one side, and who are trying to keep your nation safe from the repercussions of a nuclear strike on opposing forces. Do not declare us your enemies, or we will no longer feel welcome. We can only effectively play our role here if neither of the opposing sides has any reason to harm us. That way, if we stand between them, neither side can justify firing a shot. But if you declare us enemy, we may be forced to withdraw our presence, thus dooming your nation to firy death.
To all nations involved, we urge you to pull back from this precipice, and to keep the world safe for our offspring and theirs.
Yours in Peace,
President Zwimbala of the Nomadic Peoples of Pacific Northwesteria

People of Somerset, we wish you and Feline Catfish no ill will. It is our purpose here to prevent a nuclear confrontation, not to use nuclear weapons ourselves. We suggest that you look somewhere else for your enemies, as there are plenty of them.

OOC:
Here's a (paraphrased) joke I found in The Funny Times, a hilariously funny periodical my family gets:

A research scientist comes back from a remote island in the pacific, where he had been researching the before unknown native peoples. His colleagues at the University asked him what especially piqued his interest, and he told them that they had found a natural cure for constipation! They were curious, and he explained that they fed the patient a concoction made of mashed-up palm fronds as well as some other ingredients. When asked if this really worked, the scientist assured them that it worked perfectly. He said,
"With fronds like these, who needs enemas?"

Just felt like sharing that, and forgive me if I told it poorly.

PUBLIC STATEMENT
From: Prime Minister Lawrence Strachan

If Pacific Northwesteria or DontPissUsOff use any nuclear weapons or even attack FC in aggression against this 100nm limit then we will personally declare war on them and this may result in nuclear warfare. They are warmongerers and must be stopped, I hope more people from the FC sovereign defense pact show that they will do more than just words and they will take real action!
To: Lawrence Strachan, Prime Minister, North East Somerset
From: Sir George Fredericks, Minister for Foreign Affairs and International Development, UKIN
Subject: Public Statement

Dear Prime Minister Strachan,

His Majesty's Government hereby places you and your nation under notice that the very response the Defence Forces of the United Kingdom of Isselmere-Nieland were to invoke upon your nation a short while ago can be reinstated with the greatest ease. Should one of His Majesty's ships involved in the counter-blockade, or one of our allies -- DPUO, the Omzian Democratic Republic (ODR), and Pacific Northwesteria -- suffer the least damage from either your forces or those of Feline Catfish, be advised the most drastic measures will be taken.

The fleets of the Royal Isselmere-Nieland Navy (RINN) and those of our allies are there to protect the isolationist nation of Feline Catfish from its aggressors and to defuse this overblown situation. Should the nation of Feline Catfish wish to starve by enacting this pointless maritime territorial limit, so be it. Perhaps it will see reason when its people begin starving through no fault of ours -- the fleets of the UKIN, of DPUO, of the ODR, and of Pacific Northwesteria will not embargo or otherwise halt any neutral or allied (to Feline Catfish) merchant vessels attempting to enter Feline Catfish's waters -- its jaundiced view of the world might change.

You, sir, have been warned.

Sincerely,

The Rt Hon Sir George Fredericks, KL, MP, CS, PC, RC
Minister for Foreign Affairs and International Development
UKIN

The Omzian Democratic Republic, though not a staunch supporter of Feline Catfish by any means, is against the measures taken by various nations to invade the nation of Felien Catfish and to endanger not its citizens, but the globe. Though we are rather disappointed by the treatment of DPUO and PN by Feline Catfish, and though we do not support the wide proliferation of nuclear weapons, we must repeat the warnings that our allies from RINN has voiced out. As the Omzian vessels will continue to conduct exercises operations (as the withdraw has been cancelled) near Feline Catfish regional waters, any action taken against the vessels of the ODR, DPUO, RINN, or PM will be dealt swiftly and severely by the combined forces of the Omzian Navy, Air Force, and Army.

Signed,
Ministry of National Defence

Do not tempt our patience, people of Somerset - we know full well the irritation you have caused certain friends and allies of ours, and there is little to stop us from infecting your population with enough pathogens to erase all humanity from existence. As for Feline Catfish? Well, if you're happy to be bombed into oblivion, so be it. Our units will remain on station until we decide to withdraw them, and unless you wish to reap a thousandfold that which you sow, you will avoid launching anything at them.
"You see the kind of lunatics we're up against? Not only are they threatening to destroy my country and kill all it's people, they're threatening to kill everyone in the entire world. I am not a defeatist, but victory against such insane nations appears impossible, as they seem willing to sacrifice the entire human race itself merely to destroy me and kill all of my people in a vicious orgy of death."

King George III

I repeat, for what I hope will be the final time: Our forces have no aggressive intent to anyone. That said, we will NOT hesitate to destroy any vessel, force or nation attempting aggressive action against our ships or against any other nation involved in this mess.

King George: Do attempt to gain a grasp of the situation. We wish you no harm, but we neither can nor will leave the area until all other units have agreed to stand down and withdraw, including your own. For that to occur, a settlement must be reached between Feline Catfish and the nations set against her, which settlement we would be happy to moderate.

"You see the kind of lunatics we're up against? Not only are they threatening to destroy my country and kill all it's people, they're threatening to kill everyone in the entire world. I am not a defeatist, but victory against such insane nations appears impossible, as they seem willing to sacrifice the entire human race itself merely to destroy me and kill all of my people in a vicious orgy of death."

King George III
To: HM George III, Populist Monarch of Feline Catfish
From: HM Henry V, King of the Isselmere-Nielanders, etc., UKIN
Subject: The Counter-blockade

Dear Cousin,

I wish to make clear to you that the allied forces in the area -- DontPissUsOff, the Omzian Democratic Republic, Pacific Northwesteria, and the United Kingdom of Isselmere-Nieland -- are not there to harm you, your State, or your subjects. We, collectively, are there to safeguard the peace and your nation from invasion. We have no interest in starting a war, but in preventing one.

This desire for a pacific solution having been noted, it is you, sir, and the rogue nation of North East Somerset who are engaged in provocative behaviour towards the allied fleets that are there to protect you and to bring peace to the region.

Your failure to grasp this important fact reminds me of your eighteenth-century British namesake. I advise you, purely for your own sake if not that of the world, not to follow the course he had charted but to adopt the sane option and to cease provoking the world and stop threatening those nations, such as ours, that are are nearby to protect your nation against the horde of anti-Feline Catfish forces. Your inability to comprehend this simple fact worries me and the allied forces, and makes the possibility of a peaceful settlement that establishes your nation's rights to its continued existence -- which it has as of right -- and to defend itself sagely against aggressors -- which, again, it has as of right -- and which terminates the vile blockade of your nation very unlikely.

Sincerely yours,

[signed]
Henry V
King of the Isselmere-Nielanders, etc.
UKIN

President Mike Sarzo had issued more than enough statements in his lifetime dealing with various countries that introduced themselves onto the world scene with a thud, so this should have been no different. Announce a statement of support or condemnation and go from there. No big deal.

However, Feline Catfish was a different story. On the one hand, he supported the nation's right to soverignty and resented the several larger countries that attempted to intimidate the small country. However, he cringed at their readiness to use nuclear weapons to decimate fleets and he fumed when he read about Feline Catfish's announcement of its claims of waters one hundred nautical miles past its shores.

Clearly, this was a dilemma. With Parliament going into recess, he couldn't exactly run down the hall and speak to House Speaker Josh Williams and ask his advice on what the House of Delegates would do. Williams was on his way home from Pacitalia on vacation and Senate President Pro Tempore Karen Beltran was in the throes of deciding whether or not to run for reelection.

Sarzo sighed. Either he would have to support Feline Catfish, and with it, give the appearance of tacit approval of a clearly illegal action or he would have to oppose them and risk joining in with a group he found distasteful at best and hypocritical at worst. He also risked throwing his country in the direction of a full-scale war with Automagfreek with troops and ships committed to Inkana and regional issues in the country's new-old region of Atlantian Oceania.

Sarzo slowly walked to the podium with flashbulbs popping all around him. He almost wasn't sure what he would say when he opened his mouth, but he knew he had to say something.

"We announce that we are closing the possibility of diplomatic relations with Feline Catfish until such time as that government can come to its senses and stand down from their ridiculous demands of one hundred nautical miles of soverign waters. We will not observe such a ludicrous pronouncement from King George III. We will observe the legal precedent of twelve nautical miles.

"I also announce that if Feline Catfish uses any tactical or strategic nuclear weapons against any ships or property of the Incorporated States of Sarzonia, retaliation will be immediate and severe. We would prosecute such action as a direct declaration of war against Sarzonia."

"We have been more than willing to support your rights to soverignty in the past, but do not use the largesse of defending nations such as Automagfreek as a crutch. This will be the only warning I am prepared to give on this particular issue."

"Mr. President, does this mean you will deploy troops or ships to Feline Catfish?"

"Not at this time. However, we will not close any of our options. We hope that the government there can make some wise choices from here on out and we won't have to do anything more than this."

To repeat the statements already made from TROUSRS, we are both disapointed and highly concerned at the manner which DontPissUsOff feels they must conduct their diplomacy... they call for peace between the two sides, yet they place their military units in another nations waters in a threatening manner and state that any attacks on their units will result in the destruction of the attackers nation.

It's bad enough that many nations which to enforce their will on Feline Catfish, but to enter their waters without permission and expect them to trust you're intentions is absurd... I know that Iuthia wouldn't accept that and we aren't in such a desperate situation, the fact that you pressure Feline Catfish with these forces, and lets not mistake what these forces are there for, you said yourself that they are there as a deterrent for violence of both sides, the fact they are there at all suggests the intention to use them... it would only take one mistake, which isn't all that unlikely with the high pressure situation, and this whole powder keg will blow.

It has already been stated clearly enough by many that the easiest way to solve the possibility of nuclear weapons being used in an aggressive manner is to back off and talk about this in a more peaceful environment... more military units in this nations waters without permission only serves to make this keg all the more likely to explode in a violent manner.

If only everyone backed off for a while and took their time with this, we could come to a conclusion which is suitable for the majority of nations without forcing Feline Catfish to hand over any of their soveriegnity.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

"...and that is our current status with the Non-Democratic Alliance. Any more questions before I move on to the next subject matter?"

Mick Lakely looked around at the various faces of the Iuthian media, each of them getting their quotes for the evening news and waiting for the much anticipated statement regarding the Feline Catfish strategic defence doctrine changes as well as the increased territorial water claims... it was a hot issue in the international community these days, even though Iuthian citizens weren't entirely interested in international affairs outside of Iuthia, it turned out that much of Iuthia's media was now increasing their market to outside nations. The Iuthian media weren't the only people here of course, there were some foriegn press hanging around looking for the Iuthian view on the whole situation. So far it seemed a little extreme to some perhaps, though it certainly made for interesting news.

No one raised their hand of course, they instead waited for the basic statement of which they could base their real concerns on, the NDA was only a minor issue today.

"Very well." Mick organised some of his papers, took a drink and looked out to the crowd of people before him.

"As many of you are no doubt aware, Feline Catfish has recently made numberous changes in their strategic defence and territorial claims, much to the dismay and anger of many nations in the International Community.

"Some of these nations have simply drawn the line at cutting of their relations until the government of Feline Catfish has had the chance to cool down, others are making direct demands of them, calling for the small nation to stand down it's nuclear weapons or face invasion.

"Meanwhile, other nations are attempting to defend this nations soveriegn rights, allying to them and deploying forces to protect them from foriegn aggression... some nations are even taking their own measures to halt the situation, deploying their forces in these waters in an attempt to 'buffer' the possible conflict.

"But regardless of what other these other nations feel they must do, Iuthia has yet to define exactly what our views are on Feline Catfish and their latest changes. Personally I feel the facts are simple: here we have a small nation seeking to defend itself with weapons of mass destruction, using the threat of their use to deter others from invading their lands. Their island isn't geographically near any other nation, that much we have confirmed, their claims do not affect our trade routes and despite the aggressive words they use to deter others, they aren't directly threatening any nation besides those who would force them to hand over the weapons they would protect themselves with.

"Is it enough that this small nation has made such threats that we must force our will on them? Are there actions too unreasonable? Perhaps they did bring this situation on themselves... but then again, look around at the aggression we see day in and day out around here, there isn't a year without a major genocide in this world and yet we are told that the world is somewhat stable?

"Iuthia isn't under any threat... that is something we are proud of, but perhaps we take our safety for granted. Iuthia is a large nation, we have many allies and we have a world class military, securing ourselves from aggression is easy.

"Yet here we have a small nation who has looked out upon the world and seen the chaos we are surrounded by... who are we to tell them they can't defend themselves? They aren't threatening Iuthia... unless we actually shove our military forces in their waters they are no threat to us, even if we did invade them they couldn't hit our home land in with their weapons. Meanwhile their waters aren't blocking our interests... they aren't blocking anyones interests, so why should we care if their tactics are to use thermonuclear weapons to level the playing field against an overwhelming force?

"Of course we condemn the use of nuclear weapons, as the nation which disarmed it's nuclear weapons a long time ago and created INOC we have always been against their proliferation... but more important to us is our respect to another nations soveriegn right to rule itself as they see fit. Their defence tactics are an internal issue... they haven't threatened to use these weapons on another nations homeland, but instead against an invading fleet.

"Iuthia would rather that Feline Catfish settle down and resolve this more peacefully... but even we can see that this is impossible with the constant threat of invasion. The demands made are unreasonable, as they are being told to disband the weapons that would defend them... if others really want to see a change then they will back off and deal with this in a peaceful manner, more threats just serve to escilate the problem.

"Unlike others, Iuthia will not pull out our diplomatic contacts with this nation... while they haven't entirely been wise about their actions, we see the need now, more then ever, for diplomatic efforts."

"Thanks for listening, now, any questions?"

And with that a tide of hands rose and one by one, questions were answered.


Feel free to ask something if you want, but I feel I covered alot here, if you are assuming there is some representative of you're media here (and no assination attempts or that kind of crap... this is just another way of making a statement).

I would have done more, but I got tired.

Before this war goes to massive nuclear blows, beyond the scope of what has already been seen in this war, the Empire will give one last shot of it's own to end this war of words before it turns into a war where millions die [OOC: Technically, millions have already died, but Makaar ignored the nuclear bombardment of his nation.]

Treaty of Cattia
Preamble:
As stated before my many nations the nation of Feline Catfish has the right to purchase, and produce, nuclear stockpiles, regardless of the opinions of others. It is to say, the construction and importation of NBC warheads was completely legal, and therefore deserves to stand. Consequently, it can be claimed that the blockading of Feline Catfish, and the subsequent naval building up near the shores of said nation was completely illegal.

Furthermore, as dictated by international law a nation cannot claim a full one hundred nautical miles of coastline, or more. However, it should be noted that neither Feline Catfish, nor the Second Empire of the Golden Throne, is in the United Nations, and therefore not bounded by international law. It is to say, the actions of Feline Catfish, although not necessarily agreeable to international cordiality, were legal within themselves.

However, since no side seems willing to negotiate a peace which would tip the scales of the end of the war against the subject of the treaty what can only be done now is to comprimise. If no comprimise is reached we can only fear that dozens of nations will either be wiped off the face of the Earth, or at least, severely damaged. And thus, the Treaty of Cattia is thrown upon your tables.

Article I: Concerning the Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons
It has been established, as by the preamble of the treaty, that the growth of the NBC stockpile inside Feline Catfish is completely legal, within and outside of United Nations International Law. As a direct consequence of this fact the sovereign nation of Feline Catfish is to be allowed whatever nuclear stockpile it wishes to have for it's own nation defense, without intervention from foreign nations. Therefore, according to this treaty, Feline Catfish shall hold its nuclear stockpile and expand it at will, without other parties intervening.

Article II: Concerning Territorial Waters
Because the act of expanding territorial waters had so perturbed this world this treaty shall push for the elimination of such a large streak of water, and instead, shall propose that the national waters of Feline Catfish will remain nation waters for a full one hundred nautical miles in times of peace.

However, there should be no second or third party military deployments within two hundred nautical miles. If so, Feline Catfish would have the right to deploy and respond with weapons if need be.

This treaty also outlines that nations with fleets currently deployed in the area within two hundred nautical miles should fully demilitirize the region, and withdraw their fleets without further adeu.

Article III: Concerning the Active Stance of All Nations Who Sign This Treaty:
All who sign this treaty agree to a pact of non-agression with Feline Catfish. This Non-agression pact would call for the following:

Clause A: All territorial claims of Feline Catfish, if fully legal without infringing on the sovereignty of other nations, should be immediately recognized by said nations.

Claus B: A direct belligerent attack on Feline Catfish shall be terms to break the treaty of non-agression, which in turn calls for a direct retaliatory response by those allied to Feline Catfish, and Feline Catfish itself.

Claus C: All signiatories of the treaty shall withdraw their fleets immediately.

Article IV: Military Retaliation In Case of Attack on Feline Catfish
The Second Empire of the Golden Throne (The Macabees) ensures its alliance with Feline Catfish, and according to this treaty, should any belligerent fleet steam within 200 nautical miles of Feline Catfish's shores it would call for a full military, and pre-emptive, attack on said fleet, but by the Macabees and by Feline Catfish. Other nations may also ask to add their name to this Fourth Article as a cooperative defense of Feline Catfish.

This treaty is flexible

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[OOC: Open for discussion and the addition of new articles if need be.]

Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8778683&postcount=1)


Iuthia agrees to this treaty with exception of Article IV which is built in for allies of Feline Catfish. The fact that this treaty recognises the soveriegn rights of Feline Catfish and that it calls for a non-aggression pact which Feline Catfish was prepared to agree to provides a suitable peaceful solution to this situation.

Isle of Skye English Speaking newsfeed:

Emperor Aiden II said this morning that he has taken control of negotiations and policy decisions.

"We affirm the sovereign right of the nation of feline catfish to defend itself against larger, invasive nations. However, we feel that claiming 100 nautical miles of international waters sets a dangerous precedent.

"Rather than declaring that water to be sovereign territory of the nation of feline catfish, we request that all nations recognize her right to self defense. That is, that if an invasion fleet is heading towards feline catfish, she should have the right to fire on that fleet, be it fifty, five hundred, or five hundred thousand miles away.

"We affirm that the nation of Feline Catfish has the right to defend itself with any means it has, and would defend that nation should it recquire defense. It may defend itself

"During the recent regional civil war, the Isle of Skye interdicted or questioned all foreign traffic within 500 Nautical Miles of our shores. We agree that all nations have the right to defend themselves by questioning, interdicting, and if the unfortunate situation arises, firing on vessels in international waters.

"That being said, it is a dangerous precedent to allow nations to claim international waters as their own territory. As many of you know, the Isle of Skye maintains Underwater Residential and Research Units across the globe. All of these are in international waters. However, the Isle of Skye does not feel that such elements are soveriegn territory of the Isle of Skye. We don't claim international waters twenty miles in every direction from any of these civilian research posts, and the research that these facilities preform are availible to any nation that requests it.

"The Hrackert Rift facility is currently located sixty miles off the shore of the nation Feline Catfish. It was placed in international waters to study indegenous life of the Hrackert rift. The facility in question is a small facility, and is part of the McRae University network. It has 237 persons on board, most of them college age.

"We have no right to claim the Hrackert Rift as territory of The Isle of Skye. Nor would we. Likewise, Feline Catfish has no right to claim international waters as sovereign territory. It does, however, have the right to defend itself in international waters.

"We are not sure how the nation of Feline Catfish will respond to this situation, but the Isle of Skye has no intention of forcing its civilians to withdraw from international waters.

End Transmission...
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Isle of Skye Proposes Treaty Change

As, 1. The Isle of Skye Maintains civilian facilities in international waters,
As, 2. Recognizing the Right of Feline Catfish to fire on any vessel, person, or fleet, wherever it may be, that intends to attack her,
As, 3. Allowing Nations to Claim international waters would allow the Isle of Skye to make such claims regarding its civilian facilities,
As, 4. The Isle of Skye wishes only to have a passive military presence near these facilities in time of conflict or stress, and not to have sovereign rights to the territory on which they reside,

We suggest that Feline Catfish not be allowed to claim such waters as national territory, but instead that the treaty in question recognize the right of feline catfish to fire on vessels that do not adequately respond to her queries, within two hundred(200) nautical miles in times of peace, and five hundred(500) nautical miles in times of war.

"We hereby let it be known that Sarzonia can not, nor shall not abide by the terms of this unreasonable treaty, which we believe takes far too many liberties with the issue of international waters.

"We can only accept a treaty that establishes twelve nautical miles beyond as Feline Catfish's coastline as her rightful territory. We view any other clauses that seek to minimise the force of law or precedent of that limitation as unlawful infringements on the rights of maritime countries to send their ships where they deem appropriate to protect their vital interests or those of their allies.

"We view Articles II and IV as being unenforceable and consider Article IV in particular to be potential powder kegs for future conflict instead of peaceable resolutions to the current diplomatic and military situation. We also ask that the treaty itself include a clause of nullification in the event the government of Feline Catfish chooses to employ aggressive offencive tactics or implies the same by issuing threats of military action unless directly provoked to do so by another aggressive power.

"We encourage a peacable solution to the grave political, economic, and military crisis this series of events has brought about. However, such peace can not fly in the face of a legal precedent toward the establishment of soverign territory."

Mike Sarzo
President
Incorporated States of Sarzonia
Aboard Sarzonia One en route to Timiocato, Pacitalia

We would like to note that Feline Catfish is far from the first nation to claim 100 nautical miles around their nation as territory... we see no reason to change the treaty proposed by Macabees and feel that those who do not agree to the treaty have two options:

> Leave Feline Catfish alone and cut you're contact off from them if you feel it's for the best.

> Attempt to force their will on Feline Catfish and threaten war between them and their allies.

While I'm sure some changes could be made to the treaty, the treaty as it stands is the treaty Feline Catfish is already prepared to agree to. The fact that their territory is claimed to be at 100 nautical miles from their shores isn't really all that important... they have already pointed out that this territory isn't blocking and international trade routes and it isn't near any other nation. There is no reason they shouldn't be allowed to claim 100 nautical miles other then the fact they would have trouble patrolling that much water.

The fact remains that they aren't the only nation to claim so much water around their lands and that it doesn't actually affect anyone other then those who wish to invade their lands or operate near their land... seeing as they aren't in the UN and they are far from other nations there is no reason to limit their territorial claims.

That is our view on the matter. You don't need civilian operations near their land, you don't live near them and you don't need to fish/drill for oil around their waters. You're trade routes aren't affected and they aren't infringing on other nations territorial claims.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

"We encourage a peacable solution to the grave political, economic, and military crisis this series of events has brought about. However, such peace can not fly in the face of a legal precedent toward the establishment of soverign territory."

What legal precedent? There isn't any actual International Law regarding territorial waters... many other nations claim such large territorial waters. Haven sure as hell doesn't opperate with just twelve nautical miles and neither do we, should they be forced to reduce their waters because it's breaking "International Law"?

Note that Article IV covers the actions Macabees will take if other nations attack Feline Catfish, they are not subject for every nation to sign, only those allied with Feline Catfish who are prepared to enforce this treaty and so protect their right to protect themselves.

Meanwhile we are sure that if Feline Catfish pushes it's luck others will simply stop following the treaty... Iuthia still feels this is fairest method to resolve this problem. Other nations don't need warships that close to their nation, they aren't close to anyone.

The real problem here with those nations who seek to enforce their values on this nation though invasion, such as Communist Louisiana. The fact that these nations threaten military action over the legitimate prolifation of nuclear weapons is the reason we are hearing such an aggressive doctrine in the first place... if people really want people they will have to understand that this nation needs to feel safe and have it's soviegnity respected... from there we can work out something better for the international community.

But to continue to make demands of them when they have the backing from nations like Automagfreek will only result in them ignoring these demands which leads to those who wish to enforce their demands through force... the problem here is that you don't need to demand most of these things, it's just looking to protect itself and by pressuring it so will only force it to more desperate methods.

We need people to back off and give them space. It's in Feline Catfish's allies interests to help them feel safe and reduce the danger of nuclear weapons being used in defence.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

As my esteemed colleague Mr. Sarzo has already noted, allowing a nation to set such a large body of water as its own territorial waters sets a dangerous precedent. If Feline Catfish had demonstrated itself to be a responsible and cautious nation, this would not be so problematic. However, unlike other nations (some of which are allies of ours) who have set such a large area as their own waters, Feline Catifish has shown that it will happily oblivionise anything entering within the aforementioned area, and while this may not be a frequented shipping lane, it is nonetheless an area of open sea in which ships are known to move, and this attempt to create such a large "exclusion zone" is therefore a threat to civilian vessels and lives, a threat which is magnified by the previously-demonstrated aggressive nature of this nation.

Regarding your previous message, we must point again to the fact that Feline Catfish has already employed nuclear weapons upon vessels of another nation, and that it is the opinion of this office that, if foreign buffer fleets such as ours, and those of our allies (for which we are very grateful) are withdrawn, Feline Catfish will use its nuclear "deterrant" upon some unfortunate vessel which strays into their waters, which will result in the deaths of millions of individuals as Feline Catfish is destroyed by the victim of said attack. Thus, we feel it our bounden duty to remain in position (with a force which is, I hasten to add, extremely small) and forestall such an event.

It is our sincere wish to bring about peace, but it must be peace which is achieved on acceptable terms. Outside the apologist bloc which appears to have formed, there can be few (if any) who will accept Feline Catfish's ludicrous, provocative and possibly imperialistic claim of 100mni as her territorial waters. Equally, outside the aggressive liberal-unilateralist bloc, there can be few who would deny Feline Catfish's right to possess and if necessary employ nuclear weaponry. Current treaty proposals settle neither issue; until the issue is settled (and until Feline Catfish will actually show some willingness to approach the table and settle it!) our vessels will remain on-station, and we will not be withdrawing from our present position.

I should like also to add, Mr. Lakley, that we have a strict no-first-use policy in force aboard the units stations near Feline Catfish, and in consequence will only retaliate if fired upon. Whether you believe this to be the case is, frankly, irrelevant. If we sought the destruction of Feline Catfish, we would have accomplished it some days ago. Please bear this, and our motives, in mind before you criticise us. Please also bear in mind that we are putting our men and women on the line, in a situation which holds no interest, monetary, material or diplomatic, to us, to attempt to gain peace, something which Iuthia, for all its preaching about wishing to bring about peace, has so far not been exactly raring to do.

- Foreign minister Anton Schützer.

Treaty of Cattia
Preamble:
As stated before my many nations the nation of Feline Catfish has the right to purchase, and produce, nuclear stockpiles, regardless of the opinions of others. It is to say, the construction and importation of NBC warheads was completely legal, and therefore deserves to stand. Consequently, it can be claimed that the blockading of Feline Catfish, and the subsequent naval building up near the shores of said nation was completely illegal.

Furthermore, as dictated by international law a nation cannot claim a full one hundred nautical miles of coastline, or more. However, it should be noted that neither Feline Catfish, nor the Second Empire of the Golden Throne, is in the United Nations, and therefore not bounded by international law. It is to say, the actions of Feline Catfish, although not necessarily agreeable to international cordiality, were legal within themselves.

However, since no side seems willing to negotiate a peace which would tip the scales of the end of the war against the subject of the treaty what can only be done now is to comprimise. If no comprimise is reached we can only fear that dozens of nations will either be wiped off the face of the Earth, or at least, severely damaged. And thus, the Treaty of Cattia is thrown upon your tables.

Article I: Concerning the Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons
It has been established, as by the preamble of the treaty, that the growth of the NBC stockpile inside Feline Catfish is completely legal, within and outside of United Nations International Law. As a direct consequence of this fact the sovereign nation of Feline Catfish is to be allowed whatever nuclear stockpile it wishes to have for it's own nation defense, without intervention from foreign nations. Therefore, according to this treaty, Feline Catfish shall hold its nuclear stockpile and expand it at will, without other parties intervening.

Article II: Concerning Territorial Waters
Because the act of expanding territorial waters had so perturbed this world this treaty shall push for the elimination of such a large streak of water, and instead, shall propose that the national waters of Feline Catfish will remain nation waters for a full one hundred nautical miles in times of peace.

However, there should be no second or third party military deployments within two hundred nautical miles. If so, Feline Catfish would have the right to deploy and respond with weapons if need be.

This treaty also outlines that nations with fleets currently deployed in the area within two hundred nautical miles should fully demilitirize the region, and withdraw their fleets without further adeu.

Article III: Concerning the Active Stance of All Nations Who Sign This Treaty:
All who sign this treaty agree to a pact of non-agression with Feline Catfish. This Non-agression pact would call for the following:

Clause A: All territorial claims of Feline Catfish, if fully legal without infringing on the sovereignty of other nations, should be immediately recognized by said nations.

Claus B: A direct belligerent attack on Feline Catfish shall be terms to break the treaty of non-agression, which in turn calls for a direct retaliatory response by those allied to Feline Catfish, and Feline Catfish itself.

Claus C: All signiatories of the treaty shall withdraw their fleets immediately.

Article IV: Military Retaliation In Case of Attack on Feline Catfish
The Second Empire of the Golden Throne (The Macabees) ensures its alliance with Feline Catfish, and according to this treaty, should any belligerent fleet steam within 200 nautical miles of Feline Catfish's shores it would call for a full military, and pre-emptive, attack on said fleet, but by the Macabees and by Feline Catfish. Other nations may also ask to add their name to this Fourth Article as a cooperative defense of Feline Catfish.

This treaty is flexible
Article II of this proposed treaty is unnecessarily provocative and creates the precedent of allowing nations to declare ludicrous and damaging maritime territorial claims over wide swathes of international waters for no other reason than to create diplomatic incidents such as the one in which so many nations are presently engaged. Furthermore, it is unenforceable by the nation of Feline Catfish, not because of what other states intend, but simply it is not feasible.

To grant every nation a 100 nm peacetime maritime territorial claim, which is what this treaty intends, as well as a 200 nm wartime maritime territorial claim would reduce the freedom of the seas to naught.

Please remember one nautical mile is 1.852 kilometres or 1.151 statute miles. One hundred nautical miles would, therefore, be 185.2 km or 115.1 miles. This is not a modest amount of territory, even if it is filled with salt water contaminated with radiation. Such claims, made without the consent of nearby nations, would lead to inevitable and perpetual conflict between states as they vie to wrest control over the seas from one another.

See reason and make rational demands. The NS world(s) may be infinitely large, but some nations still abut one another. This treaty is, as the cliche goes, a recipe for disaster.

"Terrorist, Fascist, Imperialist DontPissUsOffians, we do not care for the opinion of those who have threatened a nation of more than a billion people with indiscriminate biological warfare to be carried out wholesale against their civilians.

Good day."

King George III

"Imperialist Isselmere-Neilanders, if you forces will not interfere with Feline trade, military patrols or come within the 100nm boundary, then we will simply ignore them until you run out of food and/or money and are forced to recall them.

Good day."

King George III

"Neutral Islanders of Skye, we suggest to the contary that it is us and primarily, our regional nuclear dominance, that chooses where our territorial limits are and not you. We will not sign your treaty.

Good day."

King George III

"Dear Imperialist, Fascist Sarzonians. Nothing we have done is illegal, and we challenge you to present one 'law' we have broken. Our nuclear arms are, and always have been, purely defensive. If you do not sail any ship into the 100nm limit (you have no reason to) then we will not fire. We have never claimed we would. If, however, a single ship of your steps a mere centimetre into the 100nm boundary, it shall be destroyed. This has always been our policy, both before and after we received international support.

Good day."

King George III

"Dear beneficiant Iuthians, we welcome your support and sound voice of reason, and hope that you can convince the Imperialist, Fascists and Terrorists who seek to destroy my nation and kill all her people. We especially hope you will convince the terrorist state 'DontPissUsOff' that unleashing "enough pathogens to kill every living thing on the planet" is not a good idea. Still, we do not hold out much hope of them listening.

Good day."

King George III

"Lobbing childish insults at national leaders, several of whom have sailed ships to waters surrounding your country to ensure peace and to protect your stupid ass is hardly a way to reach a peacable solution to the crisis that you have largely brought upon yourself. In addition, I will reiterate our policy: Sarzonian ships sail where they please, and if you destroy a single Sarzonian ship, we will retaliate. And we will not rest until your country is a heap of rubble.

"I do not have the time nor the interest in holding your hand and explaining international law to you. I strongly suggest you go look up "international law" and "international waters" on the Internet, or, if such a medium is beyond your obviously lacking mental capabilities, have one of your advisors look it up and explain it to you.

"If you took just a few minutes to examine the way we have conducted ourselves in the international community, plus the respective records of DontPissUsOff, Isselmere-Nieland, you would find that your insults have even less merit than an attempt to make yourself look superior to anyone. But it seems that's beyond the scope of your 'intelligence' too."

Nicole Lewis
Senior Vice President for Internal Affairs
Incorporated States of Sarzonia

[OOC: Seeing that Isselmere added a clarification of his remarks, I need to clarify that my insults are solely IC in nature. I mean nothing OOC behind them except perhaps be a bit more open to help from people who genuinely feel you have potential as a RPer and want to help you realise that potential.]

Quite frankly we're tired of arguing this point time and time again. We have made our efforts to argue some sense into the situation but it's clear to us that the only efforts being made here are to force Feline Catfish to you're whims...

Firstly, we would like to note to DontPissUsOff who continue to pressure Feline Catfish with their military that such pressure isn't needed and only serves to make this nation even more nervous... the fact they have allied vessels in these waters protecting them is incentive enough not to use nuclear weapons so you're fleets are doing nothing but further antagonising them.

But hell, it's in the name of peace right? As are the threats of their home nation being destroyed if they act out againt you're forces which you have placed procariously close to their nation. Like I said, they have no reason to trust you... they can't nuke you because their allies are in their waters, but the fact you remain and continue to make helpful statements on how you could have destroyed them aren't really making this whole mess any easier. But nevermind, it's all for peace right?

I've stated how simple it is to get a more reasonable conversation with this nation is... but there are still nations like Fluffywuffy who are getting close to invading this nation, for as long as that threat remains this situation isn't getting any better, though it can be improved if more people supported this nations right to protect their nation.

International waters have already been claimed which are much more then 12 NM, but it doesn't really matter really... territorial waters are only really concidered if a nation actually cares about them, if you can't defend 100 NM around your nation then you don't have 100 NM territorial waters around you're nation. Feline Catfish is prepared to use WMD to protect itself from aggresive fleets at this range... the treaty preposed doesn't have to be signed by everyone, you could just ignore it, but the fact is that others have agreeded to it and will act by it. Ignoring it is a peril in itself.

They can claim what they want for territorial waters, but if they push their luck people will move against them... for now 100NM isn't terrible, it doesn't affect us too much. There isn't any law on how much water you can claim other then what you can reasonably defend.

But nevermind, these are just facts... continue as you wish, but Iuthia will recognise this treaty with or without the help of others.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

"Imperialist Isselmere-Nielanders, if your forces will not interfere with Feline trade, military patrols or come within the 100nm boundary, then we will simply ignore them until you run out of food and/or money and are forced to recall them.

Good day."

King George III
[This is entirely IC, and We and Our are used entirely in the royal sense]

To the peasant dictatorship of Feline Catfish,

First, a nation cannot be imperialist if it has no intention of claiming foreign lands, seas, etc. Second, We sincerely doubt your popinjay antics give you any right to call Us imperialist.

We hereby renounce any assistance that might have been granted to your tin-pot wastrel of a nation and will be glad to see your nation starve or die from the radioactive by-products of your cavalier use of nuclear weapons.

We sincerely hope your nation is invaded soon, or that you, your people's most unwise monarch, is toppled soon, and that none of Our allies is injured in any way in the process of either previously stated action being accomplished.

The UKIN will not respect your imbecilic and inflammatory claims and any attempt to enforce them on any of Our subjects or of the citizens of Our allies will result in like measures being taken.

You have been, and forever hereafter, been ignored.

Back to your squalor, your midden awaits. To the rubbish heap of history with you.

[stamped]
Henry V
King of the Isselmere-Nielanders
UKIN

"I like that," chuckled Schützer. "The ignorant little goit's going to try and portray us as mass-murderers in the making."

"Well, we are, in fairness," replied Tonagato, scratching his balding head thoughtfully. "Still, it rankles a little doesn't it? Maybe we should see just how stupid this lot are."

Schützer cautioned, "don't go there, Amon. What would we prove?"

"That they're the loons here?" Tonagato replied simply.

"Anyone with an ounce of sense can already see that."

"Anton," replied Tonagato, laughing again. "When did you last meet a leader with an ounce of sense?" Schützer had to concede the point, but he didn't like to.

"All the more reason to be cautious around them." He shhok his head. "I just wonder what'll happen when Mikhail gets to hear about all this. He's due back from that defence meeting tomorrow, and with that temper of his..."

"Yes, that could be a problem." Tonagato looked to the sky philosophically. "Still, perhaps we need someone who will show these fools what it means to be on the receiving end of nuclear warheads."

105nmi from Feline Catfish

Higgs' binoculars could now confirm what the radars had told him for the last hour: the Grey Dragon had arrived. The heavy carrier took the rough seas easily, her five hundred thousand tonne bulk hardly perturbed by the waves, her grey upperworks blending with the cloudy skies as she approached them. Above the clouds, TS-3S interceptors orbited warily.

"I do not have the time nor the interest in holding your hand and explaining international law to you. I strongly suggest you go look up "international law" and "international waters" on the Internet, or, if such a medium is beyond your obviously lacking mental capabilities, have one of your advisors look it up and explain it to you.

Please do not insult us so, are you trying to tell me that there is a set of unbreakable international laws we must all follow? Wouldn't that require us to agree to such a law and for nations to attempt to enforce it? The idea of an International Law ignores the facts of the world we exist in, for it to work all the world powers would have to agree to enforce it equally... however the simple fact is that the majority of the powers in this world do not agree to any set International Laws, the majority of us only follow laws we have agreed to with our allies and friends, many of these "laws" are really just guidelines, others are actual agreements and treaties made.

What of Belem and other nations like them? What of human rights, which are broken almost every day? What international laws exist to enforce human rights? What International laws stop nations like Belem using their nuclear weapons, or the constant genocides?

'Power is derived by force'

Any political science major will agree that is a basic truth of international politics. Think about it--all of the old international documents of laws, what binding force is there? What enforcement? International law is violated on a daily basis, and it is only enforced by the nations who are interested to and have the power, either diplomatically or militarily, to do so. Also, international law is not universal.

The facts are that few nations agree to such laws... they just don't exist on a international scale.

That is our view... you cannot enforce you're limits on this nation without using force in this matter, force which would require fighting a large block of nations whom beleive strongly that there is no international law.

The leaders of Feline Catfish may be jerks, but frankly, they don't deserve alot of the crap they have got from the likes of CL and Fluffywuffy.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

"Please note that message was directed at King George III, who has demonstrated a lack of understanding of the politesse required for diplomatic exchanges. It is not directed at you in any way, shape or form, and I apologise for any offence caused by my message intended for the eyes of a king who reminds one of the lunacy exhibited by his namesake in the former country of Great Britain."

Nicole Lewis
Senior Vice President for Internal Affairs
Incorporated States of Sarzonia

[OOC: Sorry for any OOC confusion that might have come from the IC comments I typed that you quoted ... they were directed at FC, not Iuthia.]

"Dear Fascist nation of Sarzonia. Your message is as inconsistent as it is idiotic. First you bemoan your being on the receiving end of "childish insults" (which were never there) and you go on to accuse me of having a "stupid ass". Well, I'm not entirely sure what that means, and if I should be offended or not. In all fairness, I have never even thought of attempting to judge the intellectual capability of my "ass", let alone of comparing said intellectual capability with those of other people.

"Now, onto the more important issue: International Law. Firstly, I would like to tell you that for non UN members, it doesnt exist! We as nations are not citizens of some great country, whose court judges nations on a universal "International Law". International Law exists only through treaties, which we have no signed. Your argument is invalid.

"As for your threats, we do not care. We have enough nuclear devices to "level your entire nation" as you so aptly put it. There is no reason for you to enter our territory other than to provoke a responce, and everyone will then be able to see where your true interests lie, Imperialist."

King George III

"Fascist nation of Isselmere-Neiland. We do not believe that using nuclear weapons (as stated) only in defence against a foe too great to overcome with conventional weapons is cavalier. If you believe that defending your nation is cavalier, then I invite you to disband your entire military as soon as possible."

King George III

Quite frankly we're tired of arguing this point time and time again. We have made our efforts to argue some sense into the situation but it's clear to us that the only efforts being made here are to force Feline Catfish to you're whims...

Again, note that IF this nation wished for force Feline Catfish to her whims, we would have done so, quite easily, some time ago. Your argument is entirely baseless, and founded upon an incomplete and one-sided understanding of the situation and of our record.

Firstly, we would like to note to DontPissUsOff who continue to pressure Feline Catfish with their military that such pressure isn't needed and only serves to make this nation even more nervous... the fact they have allied vessels in these waters protecting them is incentive enough not to use nuclear weapons so you're fleets are doing nothing but further antagonising them.

Such pressure is needed in view of Feline Catfish's willingness to use nuclear weaponry with happy abandon. Even if this were not the case, the pressure works both ways. As you may have noticed (though it would appear that you have in fact been too busy reading your catalogue of incorrect assumptions to notice) we have repeatedly stated that any nation engaging our vessels will fall victim to all the force we can muster, and that we will intervene to prevent either side firing upon the other.

But hell, it's in the name of peace right? As are the threats of their home nation being destroyed if they act out againt you're forces which you have placed procariously close to their nation. Like I said, they have no reason to trust you... they can't nuke you because their allies are in their waters, but the fact you remain and continue to make helpful statements on how you could have destroyed them aren't really making this whole mess any easier. But nevermind, it's all for peace right?

Yes, it is all for peace, and if you're too busy making baseless accusations to notice the facts that we have a very small force in the area, which is currently sat between two far more dangerous forces, and that we would have enforced our will upon Feline Catfish long ago had we desired to, then that is your problem, not ours.

I've stated how simple it is to get a more reasonable conversation with this nation is... but there are still nations like Fluffywuffy who are getting close to invading this nation, for as long as that threat remains this situation isn't getting any better, though it can be improved if more people supported this nations right to protect their nation.

Until we can trust Feline Catfish (which will require the latter to make concessions regarding this claim of 100mni territorial waters), we feel that it is not possible to achieve any sort of useful dialogue with her. We have consistently supported Feline Catfish's right to protect herself. Please, please attempt to reliase this. Attempt also to reliase that IF Fluffywuffy were to attack Feline Catfish, we would intervene against her forces as best we could with what we have in the area.

International waters have already been claimed which are much more then 12 NM, but it doesn't really matter really... territorial waters are only really concidered if a nation actually cares about them, if you can't defend 100 NM around your nation then you don't have 100 NM territorial waters around you're nation. Feline Catfish is prepared to use WMD to protect itself from aggresive fleets at this range... the treaty preposed doesn't have to be signed by everyone, you could just ignore it, but the fact is that others have agreeded to it and will act by it. Ignoring it is a peril in itself.

Feline Catfish proposes to destroy any and all vessels not cleared to enter this area at will with nuclear weaponry. You may find the idea of nuclear holocaust being initiated by an errant warship acceptable, but we do not. Hence, we find the treaty proposed unacceptable, since it allows too high a risk of an "accidental armageddon" scenario occurring.

They can claim what they want for territorial waters, but if they push their luck people will move against them... for now 100NM isn't terrible, it doesn't affect us too much. There isn't any law on how much water you can claim other then what you can reasonably defend.

There may not be any law on this matter; does that mean we should simply leave it un-regulated? We do not consider so, and we will attempt to regulate such scenarios as they occur. Before you quote Havenites' waters at us, Havenites have shown themselves, for the most part, responsible and careful enough to be trusted with such limits. Feline Catfish has not, and your trustfulness of a nation which appears to use nuclear warheads on a whim, despite the presence of allies, is amusing, if naive.

But nevermind, these are just facts... continue as you wish, but Iuthia will recognise this treaty with or without the help of others.

Actually, most of what you have placed here is at best highly opinionated interpretation of facts. Recognise this if you must, but in doing so you are foolish.

- Foreign Minister Anton Schützer.

The leaders of Feline Catfish may be jerks, but frankly, they don't deserve alot of the crap they have got from the likes of CL and Fluffywuffy.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps
And what of the shite that nation's erstwhile protectors, such as DPUO, the ODR, the UKIN, and Pacific Northwesteria, have been forced to swallow?

Communist Louisiana is a hypocrite, and perhaps is angry that the nuclear weapons purchased by Feline Catfish did not come from CL's stockpiles.

Yet it is similarly improper to attack a nation for desiring to enlighten another nation on certain conventions or customs that are beneficial to all, including the nation in question. Yes, I admit it is convention to state that 12-20 nm is an appropriate maritime territorial limit, but in peacetime it is not necessary to claim more than that, however far one's nation's defences extend beyond that occasionally accepted perimeter.

We in HM Government understand the Iuthian concerns and feel there is some legitimacy behind them. The concerns of our allies, however, more closely follow our own. There is no desire to impose the UKIN's will upon what has become the rogue nation of Feline Catfish, merely to prompt a peaceful resolution to this pointless exercise in penile length measurement.

That written, HM Government has no interest in the aforementioned nation (FC), nor will HM Government recognise either that nation or its leadership unless it provokes (uses force) against one of the UKIN's allies. Should it do so, HM Government will have no alternative but to take appropriate action.

Sincerely yours,

The Rt Hon Sir George Fredericks, KL, MP, CS, PC, RC
Minister for Foreign Affairs and International Development
UKIN

To: Nicole Lewis, Internal Affairs, Incorporated States of Sarzonia
From: Central Command, Iuthian Prima, Iuthia
Subject: Catfish Governments 'Wisdom'
Message:

While I can't say we entirely support this nations methods, we feel that while their government may be rather poorly equipped for diplomacy, possibly due to the low education figures in their nation, that this is no reason to deny them of their sovereign right to rule their nation as they see fit.

In our opinion the best way to help this nation is to allow them the space to cool down and allow for improved relations, remove the threats forcing their leaders to desperate measures and let their allies, most of which we trust, to bring them about to the proper international conduct.

However, with all the insults flying around and the threats... it's hard to expect this nation to listen to reason. Iuthia has noted it's dismay at their situation and we aren't keen on their weapons of mass destruction, however it isn't our place to tell them what they can and can't have... as for their territorial claims, that comes down to a matter of what they can reasonably defend. Given the low importance of the waters and their highly aggressive nature, we don't see why we should respect their wishes... they wouldn't be the first nation to have large territorial waters and it doesn't affect our trade.

Many of these matter can be better solved from a point of calm... but right now all we have is a small angry nation under the threat of invasion, not from
DontPissUsOff, though we question the flawed wisdom of their efforts, but from real threats such as Fluffywuffy and Communist Louisiana.

I hope this better explains our agenda here, this is who we are.

Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

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And what of the shite that nation's erstwhile protectors, such as DPUO, the ODR, the UKIN, and Pacific Northwesteria, have been forced to swallow?

Those nations aren't forced to accept such "shite" as you all can just leave the nation to itself... however Feline Catfish is being forced to protect itself from nations such as Communist Louisiana, they don't have the privilege of just ignoring the problem.

We repeat that there is no international law regarding territorial water claims and that other nations have claim just as much in the past... the only difference is that those nations are much larger and have the backing to resist those who would attempt to convince them otherwise. While I'm sure you don't like it, it doesn't affect you or your trade routes.

We share an interest in looking for peace, but we don't feel that shouting at this small nation is the way to go about it, we feel that giving them space to come to their allies points of view would be easier and much less conflicting.

Remember, this is a nation under pressure... I feel they should be given some understanding.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

Fixing Kinks.

DontPissUsOff: The way we see it, you could have just allied with him and attempted better pressure then using you're fleet as a shield he didn't ask for...

But no, nevermind, we have displayed our opinion and instead we are again insulted for being 'foolish' in our views. There is little need to continue to argue the point as I don't wish to repeat myself... do as you wish but could you at the very least quit going on about how you "could have enforced your will" as it's just adding to the negative view.

3:50 PM DST

Aidan rubbed his forhead in frustration. He spoke in Gaelic. <"I don't want war with Feline Catfish, but I do want to defend our citizens. How many are there?">

Tereadoc Campbell stroked his beard. <"There are 290 persons on the facility, 237 are civilian. We have two SSNs in the area, and one SSBN. It has a full load of 20 15Mgtn weapons. It's been in the area since they announced their new weaponry.">

Aidan looked up. <"Dispatch the fifth fleet to 150 NMi off of their coast. I want it known that while we don't want trouble, we're going to defend our citizens. I Want a full invasion force sitting off those shores. If neccesary, we'll use a Hyper-Soar strike before moving in... that is... if such an action becomes neccesary, which I sincerely hope it does not.">

OOC: Did you even work this out OOC with FC before hand? Just claiming facilities near someones nation which isn't even in a set place in the world really needs to be agreed by both parties... you don't even know where you're nation is in relation to his. But if you didn't work this out with him or even RPed making a facility near his waters which he accepted, I'm ignoring it.

Remember, this is a nation under pressure... I feel they should be given some understanding.

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps
Your Excellency,

The United Kingdom of Isselmere-Nieland has tried to be patient with the nation of Feline Catfish and has endeavoured to protect and defend that nation's sovereignty and its right to protect itself. In response, that nation has behaved in an unnecessarily aggressive and uncivilised manner towards its protectors who had fleets -- five in the UKIN's instance -- to defend those rights. HM Government has been understanding, but has received none at all from that nation.

Since the UKIN is so ill thought of by Feline Catfish, such that Isselmere-Nieland is labelled a fascist or an imperialist state, HM Government has decided to leave them be and has withdrawn its rather strong protection against blockading fleets surrounding that nation. The forceful comments issued by HM the King have been to declare the complete disinterest with which HM Government now views the fate of Feline Catfish. It is pointless to defend someone who refuses assistance.

We in HM Government understand and laud the pacific intentions of Iuthia and hope that moral suasion from the Iuthian Diplomatic Corps will succeed where goodwill and protection seem to have failed.

Sincerely yours,

The Rt Hon Sir George Fredericks, KL, MP, CS, PC, RC
Minister for Foreign Affairs and International Development
UKIN

OOC: His post is close enough so that you just say his name and reply to it... you don't need to quote the entire post as it's just unsightly and makes it harder to keep up with the whole thread (as people find themselves reading the same post twice and skipping a bit to find you're small reply). Either cut the quote down to the bit you are replying to or just say his name.

Oh, and for now I would like to note I concider his claim of a facility within 60 miles of FC is a godmod unless it was worked out with Feline Catfish... it's like claiming facilities in anothers nation just so you can invade.

A) It's not technically in his nation, but I understand why you'd consider it a godmod.

B) I'm going to make the claim that I've got a fairly large number of underwater university-type facilities in international waters... I've been making this claim for a little while now, and this is the first I've heard of it being questioned as a godmod.

ooc: Isle of Skye, since you have not RPed its construction you can consider your installation IGNOREd. Feel free to RP its construction, but be prepared to have your construction ship borded by Battle Class Destroyers and impounded for violation of territorial waters.

"EARSTWHILE PROTECTORS? I scoff! The terrorist nations of Isselmere-Neiland and DontPissUsOff have consistently threatened us with military action, attempted to follow through a policy of "gunboat diplomacy" using their nearby fleets and the nation DontPissUsOff even went so far as to threaten North East Somerset with biological weapons (targetted against the entire civilian population) merely for supporting us!

"We have not requested your presence here, neither has anyone else. If all you want to do is try and force your view of what should and should not happen upon my people then you should just come out and say it, Imperialists, otherwise leave. Nothing happening here affects you in the slightest."

King George III

B) I'm going to make the claim that I've got a fairly large number of underwater university-type facilities in international waters... I've been making this claim for a little while now, and this is the first I've heard of it being questioned as a godmod.
OOC: If you place such installations within the maritime economic exclusion zone of a nation, which can be up to if not more than 100 nm, they will likely find out about it, and will likely not be at all pleased by its presence and would, with some moral justification, be well within its rights to request such an installation's immediate removal.

[QUOTE=Feline Catfish]ooc: Isle of Skye, since you have not RPed its construction you can consider your installation IGNOREd. Feel free to RP its construction, but be prepared to have your construction ship borded by Battle Class Destroyers and impounded for violation of territorial waters.

OOC: Sounds good to me. ;-)

I'm going to make the claim that I've got a fairly large number of underwater university-type facilities in international waters... I've been making this claim for a little while now.

OOC: Firstly, do you have a thread about it? It's the kind of thing which would annoy a fair few nations as the idea of someone building 'facilities' of any type near their nation could easily be concidered a threat.

Given how much water there is in Nationstates, it's easy for you to claim facilities in International waters without people having a problem with it, so long as they aren't too close to other nations which may not like the idea of just any nation building underwater facilities which could be doing anything.

By having a thread detailing that you are/have built them and noting if they are close to nations will generally give other nations a chance to respond to them and accept that you have done that... just claiming it without telling anyone could be concidered a godmod, in this case you have a convenient facility in his waters which you are now using to explain you're militaries actions... even though he has stated in numberous threads that he's not close to any nation (which is why their waters claim isn't too bad).

Basically, the fact is that there are many nations who would destroy a facility built close to their nations based on the fact it could be concidered a threat... because how do they know it isn't a staging ground for actions against them? If you are going to have a facility near someones nation like that, RP the construction so they can reply to it (as it would be hard for them not to notice it with the way technology is these days) and basically get it all worked out, otherwise I would concider it pretty much akin to godmodding.

"Neutral Islanders of Skye, we suggest to the contary that it is us and primarily, our regional nuclear dominance, that chooses where our territorial limits are and not you. We will not sign your treaty.

Good day."
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3:50 PM DST

Aidan rubbed his forhead in frustration. He spoke in Gaelic. <"This is actually quite comical. He thinks he has nuclear dominance.">

Tereadoc Campbell stroked his beard. <"We've got a few subs in the area, nothing more... but I'd suggest something to illustrate the point. Preconstructed listening post. They claim 100 NMi? Lets sink the post at 95NMi.">

Aidan looked up, grinning. <"If he thinks he can randomly nuke people in international waters, he's wrong. Lets take the perspective that we're neutral, and are operating in what we recognize as international waters. He nukes, we respond in force.">

Tereadoc smirked. <"You're going to jepoardize the lives of a small defense fleet and maintenance crew, just because you don't like people claiming international waters? Just to make a point?>

Aidan Laughed <Hell, it's good our military doesn't have anything important to do. That way we can send half our fleet to a backwater. What was that Roosevelt used to say? Speak softly and carry a big stick? Well, here comes our big stick. Oh, and another thing. Since he's threatening us with nukes, lets put those HS deliverable nukes to use if the time comes, eh?>

OOC: I've backed off of that claim, because I understand why it would be considered a GodMod. I am no longer claiming to have a facility in the region and am going about this differently.

A Battle Class Destroyer approached the ship from the "Isle of Skye". It signalled to the vessel,

"You have violated the Economic Exclusion Zone of Feline Catfish for 60nm. You will turn around now or be impounded. We will not allow facilities to be positioned inside our economic exclusion zone. If you pass over into our territorial waters, you will be destroyed."

OOC: Making a new thread for this specific action.

OOC: Here you go. And don't worry, If anyone accuses me of doing something absolutely rediculous, tell me, and I'll back down again. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8797450#post8797450

The Fleet was 5 miles from the 100NM border....

"Sir we just got new reports in from the fleets in the area..."

"What are they Saying???"

"From what i can tell there just bickering between our allies in this mission and the others..."

"Same thing over and over right?"

"Yesir"

"Have they responded to our announcement?"

"No sir"

"Okay, i don't see any other way in doing this but.... Order the crossing... Call home and tell them to get ready for incoming missles... And call my wife, Tell her.."

"Yes Sir?"

"Tell her i love her"

"Yes Sir"

The massive fleet steadily sailed to the border 4 miles now, Coord Help them all if they are going to survive this...

Laskon would like to express its doubts as FC makes even more demands, nuclear weapons, a stop to all the controversy over them, and now a border enhancement?

"International waters should always be 14 miles off the coast of a nation, any more than that and its just ridiculous."

Said political activist, John Tommely on the subject.

"They need to be stopped here and now, the Feline Catfish government needs to learn it can't always get what it wants, that not how the world works."

Though the Laskonian navy would love to assist in stopping the border expansion, it is currently in a sticky situation at N Y C, and therefore cannot help. But Laskonian representatives hope their words will be heeded by the international community.

The Omzian government, though with hesitation, is considering and will undergo the withdrawal of all forms of support for the government of the nation of Feline Catfish. Though we had committed military forces near the area to discourage the blockading and other theatening foreign forces, and do not support the prospect of an invasion, the attitude of the government of Feline Catfish is simply outright disappointing and perhaps even sickening, especially in regards to their treatment of our allies, who were offering forms of assistance; similarily, the fact that the government of Feline Catfish is showing no appreciation but rejection against our allies' offer of help, only disappoints us to a great extent,.

Thus, as we agree with our allies in Isselmere and elsewhere, we see not much purpose in dedicating so much effort to Feline Catfish, as such government is clearly hostile in their intentions, and are rather abusive of the offer of help and compassion of other nations, especially our allies. Though we are also by many means sickened by other nations' proactive attempts at destroying Feline Catfish and will continue to act against such possibility, there is simply no point at spending millions and billions of dollars for Feline Catfish when such help will not be appreciated.

Thus, by order of the President, the Omzian government will be withdrawing all forms of support, military, economical, diplomatic, and otherwise, for the time being, until the government of Feline Catfish has the ability - or rather, competence - to show appreciation for others' offers of assistance instead of rejection and ungratefulness.

Signed,

HHPE President Vansare,
Omzian Democratic Republic

It's a shame it's going to end like this, though we can understand why this must be. Iuthia has... tried... to make some sense of this, though perhaps we were too reliant on the good nature of other nations. Regardless it's clear that we have failed to make any real progress here and we formally appologise to those who we may have angered in an attempt to explain our views.

I feel we've made an effort to be respectful in our efforts, and we still stand by our opinion that the majority of this mess wasn't needed and that there are no international laws... however, with the responces from Feline Catfish being so damaging to it's allies, whom are no longer willing to invest effort into helping, it's clear that this situation will likely deterorate. Personally we ourself are not willing to invest any further effort into this nation... though Iuthia hasn't mobilised any forces to protect this nation, now we are certain that even if we did it would be to no real use.

The best we can do now, perhaps, is pray that each and every nation in this affair will come to it's sense, especially Feline Catfish.

Thanks,

Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

"We accept the apology of Mr. Lakely for the conduct of his government, though we don't believe he really needed to apologise for much, if anything. We sincerely hope the government of Feline Catfish will realise that it has alienated or is close to alienating several would-be allies because of the conduct of its government.

"It is painfully obvious that King George III displays the worst kind of ignorance: He is ignorant and does not realise he is. It's a shame that he will have to pay for his mistakes with the lives of his countrymen and the soverignty of his nation. Perhaps a future generation of Feline Catfish will see the error of their present leader's ways and remedy this situation in the future."

Mike Sarzo
President
Incorporated States of Sarzonia

If there is another Feline Catfish generation, at this point his nation will become one of the largest battlegrounds ever and be torn asunder until both sides tire out from the fighting and agree to disagree, though FC will be left in the dark and never touched upon again...

This is just one scenario, the situation can play out differently.

The Fleet was 5 miles from the 100NM border....
<snip>
"Okay, i don't see any other way in doing this but.... Order the crossing... Call home and tell them to get ready for incoming missles... <snip>

The massive fleet steadily sailed to the border 4 miles now, Coord Help them all if they are going to survive this...

Commodore Fortino was alerted to the motion on the part of the Neomans, and frantically signalled the comm to make contact.
"This is Commodore Fortino of the PNN Righteous. We come in peace, and hope to resolve this conflict without shots fired. As I'm sure you are aware, you will be fired upon with thermonuclear weapons from Feline Catfish if you cross the 100 NM line. For that reason, our fleet is blocking the way, so that no prospective fleet may cross this line and get all of the fleets in the area nuked by a paranoid King."
He paused, took a deep breath, and forced out the following, cringing with each word:
"We... beg of you not to cross this line, for the interest of all that is good, and to save all of our lives. Nothing will be accomplished by pushing forward, and there is everything to be gained by keeping a level head and waiting this out. We are sorry to say that if you will not voluntarily come to a full stop, we will be forced to physically block your passage."

Fortino gave the order to the helm: they would stay on the outside of the 100 NM line, keeping directly in between Feline Catfish and Neoma, like a football goalie warily eyeing the attackers.

"Bugger it all!!!" shouted President Zwimbala, notorious for his... liberal use of the British vernacular. It appeared that support was dwindling for the nations attempting to buffer FC off from its allies. The time may be coming to withdraw our own forces, he thought... but no, if DPUO is staying, we must, as an ally. We promised our support, and our support they shall get. If the buffer fleet of Pacific Northwesteria ever leaves, it will either be because DPUO declines to remain, or there is an urgent emergency in some other part of the globe.
The President could only hope and pray that this situation would be resolved peacefully.

The commander of the Grey Dragon, unsurprisingly, outranked Higgs. His grubby uniform bore the name Duzkoshkin, and he was presently staring at a sensor display that was showing him that the impossible was happening: the Neomans were steaming straight into the nonsensical exclusion zone around Feline Catfish - and they were less than 20 miles away. At that range, the nuclear detonation would almost certainly damage his ships beyond repair, kill half of the crew and incapacitate another quarter. Heaven only know what it would do to the fleets of Pacific Northwesteria. He called Higgs to the bridge, and explained the situation tersely when he arrived.

Higgs scratched his straight-edged nose thoughtfully, perching his spectacles forward upon it and gazing at the display intently, a baffled expression on his countenance.

"Well," he volunteered after a three-minute hiatus," we may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb."

"Meaning?" Duzkoshkin snapped.

"Meaning we may as well steam into this mess with the Northwesterians and do what we can. We can't outrun the aggressive response from Feline Catfish; we might as well at least try to protect our friends. They have stood with us, after all."

"I see." Duzkoshkin turned to the communications officer. "Signal all units to come about and form standard carrier battlegrounp formation, get our aircraft armed and airborne, with two-thirds equipped with AAW loads and one-third ASuW." The comms officer affirmed this order, but was interrupted: "And signal OSFC that we're staying to help the Northwesterians, and that we will broadcast updates on our position every half hour." The bridge crew looked up from their duties at that; its message was quite clear: if we stop transmitting, the Fleet will obliterate Feline Catfish.

He switched his restless attention back to Higgs, his small and intelligent eyes gleaming. "Comrade; can we communicate with any of the submarines?"

Higgs nodded. "There's always at least one running with her floating antenna extended; the subs' own laser communication systems should do the rest.

Then," replied Duzkoshkin, scribbling on a piece of notepaper," send them...this." He handed the message to Higgs. "Get back to your own ship, comrade. Send them that message, and get ready to fight. If we can't stop the Neomans with our own hulls and weapons, then we'll have to hope to christ that the S-400K really does have an ABM ability."

A) It's not technically in his nation, but I understand why you'd consider it a godmod.

B) I'm going to make the claim that I've got a fairly large number of underwater university-type facilities in international waters... I've been making this claim for a little while now, and this is the first I've heard of it being questioned as a godmod.

OOC: IGNORED for all of Antarctica. Including me. Godmoddery at it's worst.
This sort of tripe is worthless and annoying - and you should know better.

OOC: IGNORED for all of Antarctica. Including me. Godmoddery at it's worst.
This sort of tripe is worthless and annoying - and you should know better.

OOC: That was worked out, there is no real reason to bring it back up because he saw our point and withdrew his statement, in fact thats why he started the new thread... to RP "operate" in Feline Catfish waters which he claims are actually "International" waters.

OOC: IGNORED for all of Antarctica. Including me. Godmoddery at it's worst.
This sort of tripe is worthless and annoying - and you should know better.
OOC:
Not really, god "moddery" at its worst would be if all the coalition said they sent their armies across the globe to occupy feline catfish in one post.

Please keep at least this thread slightly clean of OOC comments, guys.


IC:

"Sir, the fleets around Feline Catfish have begun to meet up with oneanother, and tension is building..."

General Var looked over a massive chart of the area, he sighed and looked to the Sergeant.

"Alright, then, lets prepare to send the 2nd fleet, but make sure its known that its not on a mission of war, as of now, but that may change. The next few hours are going to be the most crucial, as no shots have been fired yet..."

Commodore Fortino was tense. This was going to bed a very stressful day, and he could feel it in every bone in his body. His ships were in between a foreign fleet and its prey, and they were authorized to use nothing except their own hulls to stop them unless they were fired upon. It appeared that their allies in DPUO, who Fortino was relieved to see had come quickly to his aid, did not operate under these same groundrules. They were launching aircraft, and it looked like they were warming up their guns. This wasn't the point at all. If they were to fire first... Fortino couldn't bear to think of it.
Fortino sent the following message to the commander of the DPUO fleet:

To our valued allies,
We thank you most profusely for joining us in this effort, but we see that you may be gearing up for an offensive strike. We do not believe this to be wise. Our policy is to stop their advance with our very hulls, so that we cannot be considered the agressor. Of course, if they fire upon us, we shall respond in kind, but we refuse to fire the first shot, even when it seems necessary.
Obviously, you are free to pursue whatever course of action you deem correct, but we urge you, if you plan on firing on these vessels in order to keep them away, to instead remove yourselves from the theater. As much as your aid is valued, it would be a disaster for us to be pursuing different courses of action, which wind up getting both of our noble fleets nuked.
Yours in Service,
Commodore Fortino

His face reddening with anger, Duzkoshkin screwed the message into a tight ball and hurled it towards the bin, which it totally missed, flying instead through his open window. As the paper bounced off the steel deck, he drafted a message of his own.

With all due respect, your proposals make little sense. We can safely assume that the Neomans will not stop. We can further safely assume that our ships will not be able to physically stop them and survive doing so. Our forces must therefore be prepared to persuade the Neoman units to halt by other means. Since, incidentally, we have no chance of escaping the area before the Neoman ships cross the Feline Catfish exclusion zone, there is little point in even attempting to "remove ourselves from this theatre." We thus have the greatest of interest in ensuring that the Neomans' vesels do not get past us, and if that means we are forced to send them down to see old Hob, then so be it.

Yours with sincere hopes of your surviving the impending violent slaughter,
V. I. Duzkoshkin, Commanding officer, Task Force Heron.

OOC: Is Neoma even here anymore?

IC:
Commodore Fortino read the message with a scowl on his face. This was what he had feared all along. Perhaps his DPUO counterpart had a point, but all that Fortino could see was that opening fire first, on ships in international waters, would bring certain death to them all, even if it was for the noble purpose of averting a global nuclear crisis. He drafted a message in return:

I hope that, with our resolve, we will be able to win the game of "chicken" that would ensue if we put our ships in their line. If they fire first, then we unleash all hell, and justifiably. Other fleets in the area may even turn to our side, and there are even allied fleets on the way. I doubt that they would dare to ram us. That would simply be suicide. What sane commander would take a billion dollar vessel, full of high-tech weapons, and meant for the destruction of Feline Catfish, and ram it into another such vessel?
I am sending out a warning. We will stay a set distance in front of the rediculous "line", and any collision will be their fault. While you are clearly free to blow them out of the water should my plan fail, it would be greatly appreciated if you did not use that option until I have been given a chance to resolve this and not come out the "bad guy".



You are heading towards restricted waters. We will maintain our distance from Feline Catfish, matching your each and every move, and we will keep you from entering these waters, with the keels of our ships if need be. We have nothing against your nation, and earnestly hope that this can be resolved peacefully.

OOC Yes I'm here i still have to get back to date because i had surgery on my hand to because i impaled it on a piece of glass so... Ive been doped up on Vatican for the past few days..

OOC Yes I'm here i still have to get back to date because i had surgery on my hand to because i impaled it on a piece of glass so... Ive been doped up on Vatican for the past few days..

OOC: Ouch! Sorry to hear that.

The Fleet stooped there advance into FC waters .05 Mi from the illegal border

To: Pacific Northwesteria
We are here to protect our civilians from this menace, we will only force him to a 20 NM border but we will not faulter from our objectives, move or we will be forced to bypass your forces, or if need be Move them for you using the Mightor Platform....

OOC: Yea it sucked a whole lot....

OOC:

Err... right. Some further clarification for those who have missed it, but Feline Catfish is now ignoring all of the other RP about him unless they are conducted in the proper complilation threads, a statement which is being backed by a moderator as they want to reduce the amount of threads this subject is getting when there it doesn't need twenty odd threads.

Here is the link, please check it out and concider moving you're RP on to this thread if it still involves Feline Catfish (if it's no longer about him and about the conflict with other nations protecting him then you can ignore this, but he won't accept any actions take against him unless they are in the right thread.)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=417338

The best explaination for this is that he's only one man and he can't keep up with all the developements of so many threads.