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An attractive blond woman made her way towards the podium in the center of the large auditorium chamber, where several dozen reporters, industrialists, and businessmen were milling around. The woman took her place behind the podium with the Sharina national logo emblazoned on its front, amid numerous flashes of light. She raised her hands to silence the murmurs and chatter of the crowd, before speaking in a determined tone of voice.

"Greetings, all.

I am here before you, as President Mina Veristek.

I have called this press conference, in hopes that other nations will be able to hear and heed Sharina's plea for assistance. We have several major issues with our military that needs to be addressed in a timely and efficient manner."

Amid scattered gasps throughout the crowd, a reporter tentatively rose his hand. Mina motioned towards the reporter, providing him with the permission to speak.

"Ma'am President, I must ask this question that must be on everybody's minds right now. This doesn't appear to be a wise course of action, revealing Sharina military secrets to the international community? There are literally hundreds of warmongering nations that could very easily seize this opporunity to pounce upon Sharina, upon learning of our military secrets?"

Mina nodded curtly as she raised her hands once again.

"I am aware of that. This decision did not come lightly, for I have been considering this for months. The fact of the matter is that I have determined that this is the best time to address this issue towards the international community.

It is better to announce this now, and gain allies and/or offers of assistance, than being invaded later, and then it would be too late for any allies or assistance to arrive. Foreign satellites, spies, episonage, and scouts would eventually discover the critical problem Sharina is facing right now, so again, it is better to bring it out into the open rather than hide it."

The reporter furiously scribbled down Mina's words into his small notepad, and quickly sat down, so not to delay Mina's speech any further. Mina continued speaking, albeit in a more steely voice.

"The issue facing Sharina's military right now is the fact that 90% of Sharina's military assets are obsolete in today's modern world. Our navy is comprised of naval vessels over 60 years old, our airforce is filled with Huey heliocopters and F-16 jetfighters, relics from 30 - 40 years ago, and finally, our infantry troops have been equipped with archaic AR-10 and AK-47 assault rifles.

Sharina simply does not have the military expertise, experience, or knowledge to produce modernized warships, aircraft, or Army weapons. Our only two modernized military assets are the Colossus Artillery platform and the Paragon tank. The Colossus took over 20 years to develop and engineer, while the Paragon took even longer, at 30 years. Our military analysts have determined that the Paragon would not be able to stand up aganist modernized tanks and heavy armor of most nations, such as Doomingsland, Automagfreek, Roach-Busters, MassPwnage, and others.

In short, our military is in need of a massive overhaul. Our naval, airforce, and Army assets are woefully behind the times, hence this conference to announce that Sharina is seeking international aid in development and construction of modernized military assets. To put this into perpsective, our navy is comparable to World War II warships, our airforce is equal to Vietnam era aircraft, and our Army equipment is comparable to 1970's - 1980's era Army technology and equipment.

Should a nation choose to aid Sharina, we will never forget the kindness. We honor and value friendship highly, and we always make it a point to repay the kindness of friends three-fold. In these troubled times, friendships and cooperation are priceless, worth far more than a million tons of gold or platinum.

Please contact us if you have offers or proposals to aid Sharina in modernizing its military. We need to develop our military assets, with assistance and the know-how from more experienced nations.

Live well and prosper."

President Mina Veristek took quick strides off the stage, as reporters jostled each other in attempts to take additional pictures, as well as shouting their questions.

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OOC: NS tech or RL tech?

We would be willing to help you in modernisation.

OOC:

Greater Valia:

A mixture of both. I'd like to see what I can do with RL tech and NS modern-times tech. RL tech for me to work with and create my variants, and NS tech to counter NS nation invasions (defensive purposes, like if Doomingsland or MassPwnage invades me with their uber-tech).

I need to upgrade to 2000 - 2020 tech levels with reasonable techs that don't go overboard. 2020 is extreme end, but can be an IC research project or something. :)

Theao:

What do you have in mind?

Official Imperial Response

We have shipped you a box of cookies for mentioning our vastly superior tank armies.

We can provide you with the blueprints for a variety of modern tanks, AFV and aircraft, for a nominal fee.

"Thanks for calling my armies uber, I shall now ship you a case of Pwnage rice wine."-The Great Leader Li.

A mixture of both. I'd like to see what I can do with RL tech and NS modern-times tech. RL tech for me to work with and create my variants, and NS tech to counter NS nation invasions (defensive purposes, like if Doomingsland or MassPwnage invades me with their uber-tech).

I need to upgrade to 2000 - 2020 tech levels with reasonable techs that don't go overboard. 2020 is extreme end, but can be an IC research project or something.

OOC: If you want any recommendations for RL military vehicles I would say go with the Leclerc MBT, Tiger Attack Helicopter, F-22 Fighter, Tornado Strike Aircraft, and the B1-B Bomber. And this is just my opinion, but I think almost all NS developed tech is ridiculous which is why I dont use any of it. (take a look at my military listing here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=414950) if you're interested)

I developed a All-Purpose Fighting Platform called the J-4 "Juggernaught". It is a MBT, Rocket Launching Pad (Surface to Air, Surface to Surface), Cargo Carrier, and can play a secondary role in Infantry Fighting Vehicle category. You can replace effectivly 3 of your vehicles with one. I can provide you a link. I'll telegram you with more information.

I developed a All-Purpose Fighting Platform called the J-4 "Juggernaught". It is a MBT, Rocket Launching Pad (Surface to Air, Surface to Surface), Cargo Carrier, and can play a secondary role in Infantry Fighting Vehicle category. You can replace effectivly 3 of your vehicles with one. I can provide you a link. I'll telegram you with more information.

OOC: Someone once said that its better to be good at one thing than to be mediocre at many. (HINT: that was me)

OOC:

Here's the link to my very first custom military projects, the Colossus and the Paragon. I had a lot of feedback from Verdant Archialepgo.

So if these two pieces of equipment are too overboard, or too "uber", keep in mind that these were my "rookie" attempt at creating my own stuff. I was going through "I want to custom build my nation!" phase back then.

Colossus: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7986009&postcount=1

Paragon: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7987783&postcount=1

Hope this helps. :)

"Not modernized??"

Let's take a look at what you've just listed out, shall we?

Air Force-Fighters, F-16. Currently (RL) the United States is entering yet another decade with the F-16 serving in active service roles as both interceptor, and strike platform. Upgrades to avionics and other systems can keep your F-16 fleet going well into the next century.

Helicopters: Huey... LOTS of countries still fly the UH-1 series... Canada, for instance, uses the twin-engine variant instead of the more-expensive UH-60 series.

Tanks: I'll disagree on the LeClerke as a replacement-you want something that's survivable (This means "Well armoured") like the Challenger, Leopard II, or Abrams series tanks. The Autoloader's an "Ohh, Shiny!!" but not necessarily all that useful. Cutting your track crew to three means that nobody to stand overwatch when (not if) it throws a track. Track repair and field maintenance are high-value items that eat man hours. The french can afford this because, quite frankly, they don't fight. The russians can afford it because their army is made up of ill-trained conscripts in mass numbers.

Rifles: The M-16 is entering its fourth decade in American service, third in service to several SE Asian Nations (including the Philipines). You're running The AR-10, and the AK-47. Pick one, use it. Rifles aren't something that really ever lose lethality or effectiveness in competent hands.

Overall, you can get a lot more mileage out of what you already have if you focus on improving your C3, training, and ammunition, and less on buying new toys just to buy new toys.

Thanks, Cadillac-Gage.

I was going by a 1960 - 1980 timeframe of military equipment, which needs to be upgraded to a 2000 - 2015'ish timeframe, where 90% of MT NS RP's take place in.

I remember hearing that F-16's were built in 1960's - 1970's and that US soldiers were using AR-10's in early 1980's.

When I read the invasion threads, I keep reading about nations using OICW rifles, infantry guns taking out tanks, tanks being immune to most damage, aircraft flying at Mach 2 - 3, and missiles flying at Mach 15 - 20.

I feel way out of place aganist those kinds of militaries and odds. Meaning, if one of those war nations decides to invade me with those kinds of stuff, I'm literally toast. I need some kind of protection aganist those kinds of stuff.

OOC: Someone once said that its better to be good at one thing than to be mediocre at many. (HINT: that was me)

Its not all alone but I do back it up with other equipment. It is heavly armed, can carry a lot of weight and has equivelant Rocket-Launching capabilities to the normal ones.

Tanks: I'll disagree on the LeClerke as a replacement-you want something that's survivable (This means "Well armoured") like the Challenger, Leopard II, or Abrams series tanks. The Autoloader's an "Ohh, Shiny!!" but not necessarily all that useful. Cutting your track crew to three means that nobody to stand overwatch when (not if) it throws a track. Track repair and field maintenance are high-value items that eat man hours. The french can afford this because, quite frankly, they don't fight. The russians can afford it because their army is made up of ill-trained conscripts in mass numbers. Tsk tsk tsk. The Leclerc is a much superior MBT than any other I can think of except the Challenger II. Combine accuracy, rate of fire, range, and agility you have a more than adequate tank.

Well, I'm no expert on army or navy, but I can tell you what the you need aircraft-wise. My recommendations are: F/A-22 Raptor, F/A-18 Hornet/Superhornet, F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, Su-47 Berkut, Tornado IDS, the B-1 Lancer, and the B-2 Spirit. Some other options you might want to consider are the Raffaele and the A-10 Warthog. Hope that helped.

Tsk tsk tsk. The Leclerc is a much superior MBT than any other I can think of except the Challenger II. Combine accuracy, rate of fire, range, and agility you have a more than adequate tank.
Ah, but Abrams crews generally put out a higher rate of fire than an autoloader. The Abrams (SEP, at least) also has superior armor and fire control systems.

Okay, so I have the following....

Tanks:

1. LeClerc Tank
2. Challenger Tank
3. Abhrams Tank

Aircraft:

1. Upgraded F-16
2. F-22
3. B-1 / B-2 planes
4. F-35
5. Su-47
6. A-10 Warthog
7. Tornado IDS

Navy:

No suggestions or anything on Navy from you guys yet...

Army / Infantry:

No suggestions or anything on Navy from you guys yet...



So, I'd like to know how or what to do to design my own version of these planes, tanks, and hopefully guns + navy.

Is there anyone who is willing to help me develop some modern stuff (RP it out, IC-wise or if thats too much, then maybe OOC?). I'd really like to have some kind of solid defense that would give me 50/50 odds, instead of 90/10 odds in the enemy's favor.

Ah, but Abrams crews generally put out a higher rate of fire than an autoloader. The Abrams (SEP, at least) also has superior armor and fire control systems.

But I save training men just for loading shells into a gun with an auto-loader. Freeing up people for logistics.

Okay, so I have the following....

Tanks:

1. LeClerc Tank
2. Challenger Tank
3. Abhrams Tank

Aircraft:

1. Upgraded F-16
2. F-22
3. B-1 / B-2 planes
4. F-35
5. Su-47
6. A-10 Warthog
7. Tornado IDS

Navy:

No suggestions or anything on Navy from you guys yet...



So, I'd like to know how or what to do to design my own version of these planes, tanks, and hopefully guns + navy.

Is there anyone who is willing to help me develop some modern stuff (RP it out, IC-wise or if thats too much, then maybe OOC?). I'd really like to have some kind of solid defense that would give me 50/50 odds, instead of 90/10 odds in the enemy's favor.

Challenger II, and M1A2 Abrams to be exact.

Aequatian Military Industries has several different vehicles, firearms and naval vessels which you may procure or purchase a construction license to produce them within your own nation. As well, we can also aid your nation in developing projects for your own military.

Aequatian Military Industries Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=414464)

I was wondering if any of you guys have AIM or E-mail? I have some ideas in my head, from looking over some of your recommendations on Google.

Aequatio, I might become your biggest customer, as I need pratically everything. :p

What I need designed / built:

Aircraft:

1. Air Superiority Fighter
2. Bomber
3. Carrier based Fighter / Bomber

Navy:

1. Destroyer
2. Missiler (Either destroyer or cruiser that launches missiles)
3. Cruiser
4. Battleship
5. Aircraft Carrier
6. Submarine
7. Sensor Ship (lots of sensor suites and communications stuff)

Army:

1. Infantry Rifle (Upgrade from AR-10 or AK-47)
2. Small arms (pistol)
3. Anti-Armor weapon
4. Urban combat weapon
5. Heavy weapon (machine gun, rocket launcher, or the like)

Armor:

1. APC
2. Light / Medium Tank
3. Light / Medium Artillery
4. Scout Vehicle


I think thats pretty much what I need. Am I missing something in the list, or have I forgot something?

As you can see, thats a lot of stuff to design / construct for me to do. :)

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=404832

Portland Iron Works
for your navy.

I just looked over Sarzonia's naval store, and it was quite overwhelming. In all honesty, my eyes and brain was overloaded by the tons of ancroyms and numbers on Sarzonia's ships.

I got completely lost, when I see 2 - 4 different kinds of destroyers, cruisers, submarines, etc. I don't understand exactly why you need 3, 4, 5, 6+ different kinds of a particular class?

As you can see, I'm relatively new to military design and such.

BTW, I need to know whether my Colossus Artillery and Paragon tanks are god-mods, decent, or terrible. I'd like to know so I can try to redesign them or something. :)

Aircraft:

1. Air Superiority Fighter

The F-33A Phalanx strike fight may be able to fit that role.

2. Bomber

We can supply your air force with B-2 Spirit bombers or we could work together to design one.

3. Carrier based Fighter / Bomber

The F-33N is the carrier-based variant of the F-33A and performs the same as the land-based variant.

Navy:

1. Destroyer

The Wolfe-class may be the best choice, as it is a multi-role vessel.

2. Missiler (Either destroyer or cruiser that launches missiles)

Both the Eagle-class and the Striker-class can fill this role, although you just need to be sure which you would prefer, nuclear or conventional power plant.

3. Cruiser

Not sure what you mean by this, a standard fleet cruiser or another missile ship?

4. Battleship

The Warspite-class is a well-rounded design along with the Enterprise-class for a warship to compliment it.

5. Aircraft Carrier

The Athena-class makes for a good fleet standard while the Europa-class offers much better force projection in a warzone as it can carry more aircraft.

6. Submarine

Unsure of what kind, just an attack or a missile submarine, the Shark-class can be modified to carry different missiles to fire from its vertical launch tubes.

7. Sensor Ship (lots of sensor suites and communications stuff)

We don't have one designed, but it could be done for you by either modifying a current vessel or producing one from scratch.

Army:

1. Infantry Rifle (Upgrade from AR-10 or AK-47)

A.M.I. produces the G36e for the Aequatian Armed Forces and can enter into a contract to provide them for your own army.

2. Small arms (pistol)

The USP9 is produced under license in Aequatio along with the rest of the small arms produced for the Aequatian Military.

3. Anti-Armor weapon

The Javelin system, while expensive, provides the infantryman the ability to completely obliterate an armoured vehicle, including main battle tanks.

4. Urban combat weapon

I'm unfamiliar with this kind of weapon, could you describe what kind of weapon you'd like?

5. Heavy weapon (machine gun, rocket launcher, or the like)

The M90 20mm Automatic Cannon replaced the .50 calibre machineguns in service and have provided nothing short of sterling service, it provides better armour penetration and anti-personnel capability with the choice of either tungsten-core AP or High-Explosive rounds.

Armor:

1. APC

While the Centaur may be a modernization of the venerable M113A3 APC, with improved armour it can provide better protection during transit to a combat zone. As well, there are also the many infantry fighting vehicles available, while they do not have the same carrying capacity as the Centaur, the Legionnaire and Pathfinder IFVs can provide an excellent base of fire for mechanized infantry deployment.

2. Light / Medium Tank

The Main Battle Tank, Mark IV or "Knight" as it's known receives its inspiration from the Centurion cruiser tank design, best used as part of an armoured cavalry unit, it can easily exploit a breakthrough and pave the way for heavier mechanized and armoured forces.

3. Light / Medium Artillery

The "Sentinel III" self-propelled gun provides immense firepower with its 155mm howitzer and is good for mechanized forces. While the M777 155mm gun and M119A1 105mm gun are good for light and airborne infantry units as they are air-transportable by medium or even light utility helicopters.

4. Scout Vehicle

The "Crusader" armoured recce vehicle can fill this role as it can be outfitted with extra communication equipment in replacement of its armament or troop compartment, or it can remain a recon IFV and still carry a patrol troop of three soldiers. The "Warthog" armoured car is lightly armed and armoured, but can still provide a good reconnaissance vehicle through its high speed alone.

Aequatio, thanks for your advice and input. I'll try to go over them tonight and come up with some ideas later tonight or tomorrow. I really appreciate you taking your time to help me out with this. :)

Aequatio, thanks for your advice and input. I'll try to go over them tonight and come up with some ideas later tonight or tomorrow. I really appreciate you taking your time to help me out with this. :)

If you have MSN Messenger, I can TG you my accountname and we can discuss things furthur.

With the new knowledge that you have gained from these helpful nations, Credonia is willing to provide your nation with a number of defenses and offensive weapons that will aid your nation with its defense. As a favor from the Credonian government, we are willing to provide you with $2 billion worth of defenses of your choice from our Credonian Defense Systems Corporation, a privatized branch unofficially run by the Credonian Defense Department. In additon to that, we are willing to design one weapon of your nations's choice for free, provided it is within reasonable and realistic specifications and we will mass manufacture it for you, exclusively for your nation to defray some of the costs it would take to design and build the powerful weapons that we are capable of making.

If you are interested in our offer, please let me know ASAp so we may get started helping you out.

Signed,

Mitchell A. Ferguson
Secretary of Defense
Department of Defense
United States of Credonia

Authorized By,

Kaimoni A. Sutton
Commander-in-Chief
President
United States of Credonia


OOC: CDSC Thread- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=408915

Comminque to Credonia:

Greetings, President Kaimoni A. Sutton and Secretary Mitchell A. Ferguson.

I am glad to hear of your generous offer. It gives me a happy heart to know that there are indeed nations willing to lend support to others in their hour of need.

We have been allocating a good amount of funds towards our military budget in hopes that it will enable us to have sufficient capital to acquire, develop, and research modernized military technologies and equipment. According to the current fiscal year estimate, Sharina has allocated approximately $9.2 trillion towards its defense budget, and approximately $2.8 trillion is used to maintain Sharina's aging defense assets. Another $2.4 trillion is devoted towards native research and engineering efforts in hopes of producing viable modern equipment. This leaves Sharina with approximately $4 trillion to spend for international research, acquirement, and development of equipment and technologies.

What do you recommend we begin an joint research and development effort on? Airforce, Navy, or Army equipment?

In addition, I have taken note that we have had little interaction in the past. I truly desire to change that, and enter a new era of friendship and solidarity with your honorable people.

Live well and prosper.
~President Mina Veristek

OOC:

Anyone know any good graphic design program that I can download for free, so that I can try making rough sketches of my ideas for APC's, Navy ships, and aircraft?

I tried DOGA, but it doesn't even have the shapes I'm looking for, and I can't seem to figure out how to make custom 3-D shapes on Doga.

I need some kind of program that will allow me to draw good 2-D and 3-D shapes, fully customizable shapes (any kind of turret, hull, vehicle chassis, etc.) and without needing hours upon hours of time just to learn the basics.


Or do I have to use MS Paint and tediously try to draw shapes?

The reason I'm asking is that I don't have $100, $200, $500, or $1000 to waste on a graphic program that I will probably only end up using for NS.

I'll help you if you wish. I already spoke to Kormanthor on your behalf.