NationStates Jolt Archive

NDS (Nuclear Deterant System) is the first joint project ever between Space Union and Pushka. As we all have seen the emergence of at least 4 nuclear powers/becoming nuclear powers, both of our nations are looking for a way to stop any missles that may be directed at either of us. Here are currently a couple of ideas by my top scientist:

-Four space stations that can either be in parallel orbits or intersecting orbits.
-Four space stations allow for a more manueverable response to any incoming nuclear missles.
-Each station would be equipped with anti-nuclear missles that could range from 100,000 lbs bombs to small-sized nuclear warheads (designed only to stop incoming nuclear missle)
-To avoid collisions in intersecting orbit scenario, each station would be equipped with a supercomputer that would feed back information to a supercomputer on the ground. If a possible collision is expected, then the supercomputer can give one station the heads up to slow down and let one pass by.
-Each station is manned by a crew of 6 people (3 Space Union and 3 Pushka).
-A new space vehicle being developed by Space Union would be able to take all the crew members and an unknown amount of supplies.
-A groundcontrol located in Pushka (if he wants it there), would be staffed by half Space Union controllers and half Pushkan controllers.
-In an event of an emergency, each space station would be able to fire rockets to move to the area where the missle would be able to be intercepted.
-Space stations could also be equipped to conduct peace time experiments if there is no nuclear threat in the near-term.
-Space stations would be operated by small nuclear reactor similar to the one that NASA plans to use for their mission to Pluto.
-Expected completion time: 4 years.

Members of NDS:

Space Union
Pushka
Roman Republic
Ollieland
The Silver Sky
Credonia
Duke Barol
Van Luxemburg

OOC:Pushka you can now suggest ideas for the station. You can also make changes to my proposals and then tommorrow we can vote on what options to include. Also we can discuss a new name for the shield because this one is just for intermediate use.

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Well i already have satelite weapons which i call SDM. Basically they are cubic shaped satelites with a radar stacked with thousands of small anti missile missiles which i call PRR (Protyvo Rocketnaya Rocketa). They should down the missiles directed towards my satelites. These can be modified and given more rockets to shoot down nukes. They can be controlled directly from the space stations we gonna launch to quicken the reaction time. Thats basically all i can come up with right now.

Well i already have satelite weapons which i call SDM. Basically they are cubic shaped satelites with a radar stacked with thousands of small anti missile missiles which i call PRR (Protyvo Rocketnaya Rocketa). They should down the missiles directed towards my satelites. These can be modified and given more rockets to shoot down nukes. They can be controlled directly from the space stations we gonna launch to quicken the reaction time. Thats basically all i can come up with right now.

Those will work along with some more modern space missles. Also do have any space vehicles that transport asternouts to space? I'm currently developing the SV-1 Series. Its looks like a Concorde except that it has lengthened fuselage, the fuselage is dramatically more widened, nose has been redone, two more powerful jet engines on top of the wings instead of on the bottom, two scramjets on the tips of the wings, and two rocket engines located on the inner side of the wing between the jet engines and the fuselage. I'll post an image later.

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I regret to say this, but URCs space program was limited to lauching military and non-military satelites carried on Saturn-V rockets for the lack of a better use. However we feel this is a time to develop our space program more and give more funds to our space research programs.

-Alexey Chorni

OOC: I already have few ideas for space shuttles and such, but i need time to sit down and put it all into text and thats something i don't have. Next weekend however i will try to do as much technology designing as i can.

I would like to ask the leader of Pushka, what will be our roles in ferrying the asternouts to the space stations? I suggest we have alternative launches with I starting out and then you launching the next mission, and so on. Or we could discuss having 2 space stations supplied by me and 2 space stations supplied by you. But we have to transport both nation's asternouts to the bases. This is just a proposal.

SUSA (Space Union Space Agency) has speeded up development of the new ST-1 series and expect one to be ready by next year for testing purposes. Once we have tested it completely, we are going to produce 6 of these vehicles for SUSA.

Signed
President Harsimran Mann
Federal Republic of Space Union

ooc: guys, wouldn't it be easier to build a linear accelerator to launch space shuttles? Cheaper too.

ooc: guys, wouldn't it be easier to build a linear accelerator to launch space shuttles? Cheaper too.

Wouldn't that be Future tech? Linear accelerators right now are just hypothetical ideas and no real design yet.

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OOC: I'm going to post a picture of my new shuttle.

ooc: guys, wouldn't it be easier to build a linear accelerator to launch space shuttles? Cheaper too.

What is a linear accelerator?

Could I have a piece of the pie. hmmm...pie! I'll Contribute money to fund this program.

Ollieland would also be very interested in participating in this project if possible. We are an avowed non-nuclear nation and are also worried about the current proliferation of nuclear weapons amongst smaller nations. We are looking to build up / expand our anti-ICBM systems.

Could I have a piece of the pie. hmmm...pie! I'll Contribute money to fund this program.

We would love to have you a part of this project. We'll now be able to field 6 space stations. Currently both me and Pushka are developing space shuttles that could transport asternouts and supplies to the stations. Developing another space vehicle would make it more easier to supply the stations. Also you can suggest any ideas for the NDS system.

Thank you for joining us especially as nations are undergoing more nuclear armenant. For example you probably have seen that Trolsk has fallen under a ruthless military aggressive dictatorship that won't reconsider using nuclear weapons. They did detenate a nuclear weapon in their own capital!

Signed President Harsimran Mann
Technocratic Republic of Space Union

P.S. I hope this will create a commonground between our nations.

A good idea to stop incoming nuclear missiles would be:

*Space stations and satellites with LIDAR and Radar arrays and anti-ICBM missiles to indentify, track, and destroy incoming missiles.

*Theater SAMs on the ground to destroy anything the space stations miss.

*Satellite killing satellites armed with guided missiles (kinetic kill weapons are easily dodged) to kill enemy satellites so that the enemy cannot target missiles as easily.

*Anti-satellite missiles launched from the ground.

*High powered spy satellites to indentify targets of interest when striking back.

And as a bonus, i'll give the two of you the production rights to my dial-a-blast radius EMP missile.

Stats:
Length: 13m
Width: 1m
Engine: Liquid fueled rocket engine capable of extremely high velocity.
Range: 500 vertical miles or 325 horizontal miles.
Blast Radius: Anywhere from 1m to 2500m (the EMP effect gets weaker the bigger the blast radius gets)

Ollieland would also be very interested in participating in this project if possible. We are an avowed non-nuclear nation and are also worried about the current proliferation of nuclear weapons amongst smaller nations. We are looking to build up / expand our anti-ICBM systems.

Welcome aboard the team. We can now support up to 8 space stations (2 funded by Pushka, 2 funded by Space Union, 2 funded by Roman Republic, and 2 funded by you). We would like to ask you if you could fund development of a space shuttle that could transport supplies and asternouts to the two space stations in your sector. You can also suggest ideas that you think would help the NDS system. Thank You for helping us.

Signed President Harsimran Mann
Technocratic Republic of Space Union

A good idea to stop incoming nuclear missiles would be:

*Space stations and satellites with LIDAR and Radar arrays and anti-ICBM missiles to indentify, track, and destroy incoming missiles.

*Theater SAMs on the ground to destroy anything the space stations miss.

*Satellite killing satellites armed with guided missiles (kinetic kill weapons are easily dodged) to kill enemy satellites so that the enemy cannot target missiles as easily.

*Anti-satellite missiles launched from the ground.

*High powered spy satellites to indentify targets of interest when striking back.

And as a bonus, i'll give the two of you the production rights to my dial-a-blast radius EMP missile.

Stats:
Length: 13m
Width: 1m
Engine: Liquid fueled rocket engine capable of extremely high velocity.
Range: 500 vertical miles or 325 horizontal miles.
Blast Radius: Anywhere from 1m to 2500m (the EMP effect gets weaker the bigger the blast radius gets)

We thank MassPwnage for thier donation. We insist on paying you back in $40 billion. Would you be interested in joining our team?

"Thanks for the money, but I'm currently too committed in other areas to join your team."-The Great Leader Li.

"Thanks for the money, but I'm currently too committed in other areas to join your team."-The Great Leader Li.

Very well but we will appreciate any help you offer out team.

President Harsimran Mann
Technocratic Republic of Space Union

The Silver Sky only keeps a small force of ICBMs and SLBMs, with the rapid boom of Nuclear capable nations with no experince we would like to join the team, we will contribute to the project though we will prbably have to dip into the government waste and raise taxes slightly but what is that compared to security from Nuclear missles, so The Silver Sky would like to humbly ask to join the team.

OOC: Do you guys have MSN IM, we could work out details on the shuttle and spacestations there.

The Silver Sky only keeps a small force of ICBMs and SLBMs, with the rapid boom of Nuclear capable nations with no experince we would like to join the team, we will contribute to the project though we will prbably have to dip into the government waste and raise taxes slightly what is that compared to security from Nuclear missles, so The Silver Sky would like to humbly ask to join the team.

OOC: Do you guys have MSN IM, we could work out details on the shuttle and spacestations there.

Glad for your joining of the team. You can contribute as much as possible. Also I don't have MSN IM, sorry :( . You can suggest ideas for the space station grid.

Thanks! :D
And about the idea of a linear catapult, ever heard of maglev high-speed trains? Well a linear catapult is basically a huge linear cannon, for the medium shuttle I think youguys have in mind you would need a 7-10mile long linear rail system (it's a Massdriver), you would have powerful magnets all along the track, and the track would start to slope upwords at about the 5-6mile mark, it would continue to slope up until it reaches the end of the track (which should be at about a 45-60 degree angle), at launch the SSTO (single-stage-to-orbit) craft would be at the end of the rail, the magnets would begin to power-up causing the SSTo to levitate above the rail eliminating ground friction, the SSTO's rockets (2-3 mounted on top of the ship) would ignite propelling the rocket foward, the SSTO would be further accelerated by the magnetic rails underneath(sp?) causing the SSTO to reach escape velocity faster and helping to reduce the cost of rocket fuel. Also after docking with the space stations the SSTO would re-enter the atmosphere like the US space shuttle, gliding style.

If I'ved missed anything please feel free to tell me! :)
Oh and I wouldn't consider this Future-tech, it's possible for any nation with the right technology and being willing to contribute to large amount of money need for a project this size.

Thanks! :D
And about the idea of a linear catapult, ever heard of maglev high-speed trains? Well a linear catapult is basically a huge linear cannon, for the medium shuttle I think youguys have in mind you would need a 7-10mile long linear rail system (it's a Massdriver), you would have powerful magnets all along the track, and the track would start to slope upwords at about the 5-6mile mark, it would continue to slope up until it reaches the end of the track (which should be at about a 45-60 degree angle), at launch the SSTO (single-stage-to-orbit) craft would be at the end of the rail, the magnets would begin to power-up causing the SSTo to levitate above the rail eliminating ground friction, the SSTO's rockets (2-3 mounted on top of the ship) would ignite propelling the rocket foward, the SSTO would be further accelerated by the magnetic rails underneath(sp?) causing the SSTO to reach escape velocity faster and helping to reduce the cost of rocket fuel. Also after docking with the space stations the SSTO would re-enter the atmosphere like the US space shuttle, gliding style.

If I'ved missed anything please feel free to tell me! :)
Oh and I wouldn't consider this Future-tech, it's possible for any nation with the right technology and being willing to contribute to large amount of money need for a project this size.

My scientist will look into this possiblilty. If we deem it more economically advantage than we will go on to equip our SV-1 Series that will begin testing next year.

President Harsimran Mann
Technocratic Republic of Space Union

Credonia sees the practical use of such a system, and as such, we request to become a party to such system. Credonia is a world leader in aerospace technologies and defense systems, and as a world economic, political, and military super power, we can provide much needed funding and other resources to help aid you in this project, including provide our own technologies (we have a few ideas of our own) to this project in progress. Would you be willing to allow us to join in this endeavour? Such a move would be most beneficial to both Credonia and your nations.

Kaimoni A. Sutton
Commander-in-Chief
President
United States of Credonia

My scientist will look into this possiblilty. If we deem it more economically advantage than we will go on to equip our SV-1 Series that will begin testing next year.

President Harsimran Mann
Technocratic Republic of Space Union
Remember, this undertaking will take at least 3-5 years to get all the materials and actually construct this massdriver and another year to get all the settings of the linear track setup, and you may want to try to design a SSTO with a flat bottom, not too long but you could make it wider then the maglev track (not to much though), you would need rocket boosters on the top and they would be permentally attached to the SSTO, in theory a SSTO should be able to carry more supplies then the US space shuttles put together.

Also the spacestations should be armed with either 80mm or 100mm linear or conventional guns that could swivle and turn towards incoming missles, with at least two stations this would create a "Wall of steel" that would take out many warheads(this and missiles could be used as defence from anti-satelite satelites or missiles).

Maybe you could have a system of interception with 6-levels, the first would be the stations main weapon (a 1000mm linear cannon with either EMP or other shock-area weapons for knocking warheads or warhead buses out of the sky, or does anyone like the idea of a 1000mm shotgun? (My favorite idea).
The next layer of defence would have radar/lidar or laser guided missles.
The third layer would consist of maybe some high powered lasers or more EMP weapons.
The 4th level would be when the missles are directly under the stations, this would consist of the 1000mm main gun firing shotgun style blast and my proposed 80-100mm rapid fire linear or coventional guns.
The 5th layer would consist again of either guided KE kill missiles or lasers.
The 6th and final layer would be the 1000mm maingun, ABM KE Missiles launched from the surface of the planet, and theater SAMs.

Of course all of these weapons would required a power source, either solar-powered or nuclear powered, and would require more then a 6 man crew along with a bigger station, and more super-computers.

Chief Military Sciencetist Alexander Bratford

OOC: So what do you all think?

Credonia sees the practical use of such a system, and as such, we request to become a party to such system. Credonia is a world leader in aerospace technologies and defense systems, and as a world economic, political, and military super power, we can provide much needed funding and other resources to help aid you in this project, including provide our own technologies (we have a few ideas of our own) to this project in progress. Would you be willing to allow us to join in this endeavour? Such a move would be most beneficial to both Credonia and your nations.

Kaimoni A. Sutton
Commander-in-Chief
President
United States of Credonia

We would appreciate your offer. Welcome aboard! Please feel free to suggest ideas. That brings the total amount of space stations to 12.

President Harsimran Mann
Technocratic Republic of Space Union

OOC: Hey Credonia!
Aren't you supposed to be working on the setup for your RP?
How's part III coming along?

Remember, this undertaking will take at least 3-5 years to get all the materials and actually construct this massdriver and another year to get all the settings of the linear track setup, and you may want to try to design a SSTO with a flat bottom, not too long but you could make it wider then the maglev track (not to much though), you would need rocket boosters on the top and they would be permentally attached to the SSTO, in theory a SSTO should be able to carry more supplies then the US space shuttles put together.

Also the spacestations should be armed with either 80mm or 100mm linear or conventional guns that could swivle and turn towards incoming missles, with at least two stations this would create a "Wall of steel" that would take out many warheads(this and missiles could be used as defence from anti-satelite satelites or missiles).

Maybe you could have a system of interception with 6-levels, the first would be the stations main weapon (a 1000mm linear cannon with either EMP or other shock-area weapons for knocking warheads or warhead buses out of the sky, or does anyone like the idea of a 1000mm shotgun? (My favorite idea).
The next layer of defence would have radar/lidar or laser guided missles.
The third layer would consist of maybe some high powered lasers or more EMP weapons.
The 4th level would be when the missles are directly under the stations, this would consist of the 1000mm main gun firing shotgun style blast and my proposed 80-100mm rapid fire linear or coventional guns.
The 5th layer would consist again of either guided KE kill missiles or lasers.
The 6th and final layer would be the 1000mm maingun, ABM KE Missiles launched from the surface of the planet, and theater SAMs.

Of course all of these weapons would required a power source, either solar-powered or nuclear powered, and would require more then a 6 man crew along with a bigger station, and more super-computers.

Chief Military Sciencetist Alexander Bratford

OOC: So what do you all think?

We were also thinking along these lines of creating a layer of defense system. Currently we are not yet sure of what the weaponary of the stations will be. I would like the team to agree upon the weapons system that we will be using. Also my SV-1 Series will begin just as regular SSTO vehicle but later on when/if I build the linear accelerator.

President Harsimran Mann
Technocratic Republic of Space Union

OOC: Hey, I havent started writing out Part III yet. I will tonight before I go to bed. But for now, you get to see how us Credonians can multi-task. We have too much stuff goin on in the world to allow one little incident to bring us to a complete halt. Arent we so talented?

IC:
We believe that while space stations would provide a space based defense against incoming missiles, you must also have ground based defenses, which in this case would serve as a redundent system should by any chance the space stations and their onboard defenses be rendered useless against enemy missiles and satellites. For that reason, Credonia volunteers to also design and fully fund a global ICBM defense system that will serve all nations who become part of this joint venture (hopefully the number of nations that join the venture dont become too large or we will need some help from you guys and by the looks of it, you all have your budgets tied with your space stations and its defenses.). Credonian scientists will get to work designing such a system and its components immediately. We will release the stats of the proposed system within three weeks (3 NS days) time.

Kaimoni A. Sutton
Commander-in-Chief
President
United States of Credonia

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IC:
We believe that while space stations would provide a space based defense against incoming missiles, you must also have ground based defenses, which in this case would serve as a redundent system should by any chance the space stations and their onboard defenses be rendered useless against enemy missiles and satellites. For that reason, Credonia volunteers to also design and fully fund a global ICBM defense system that will serve all nations who become part of this joint venture (hopefully the number of nations that join the venture dont become too large or we will need some help from you guys and by the looks of it, you all have your budgets tied with your space stations and its defenses.). Credonian scientists will get to work designing such a system and its components immediately. We will release the stats of the proposed system within three weeks (3 NS days) time.

Kaimoni A. Sutton
Commander-in-Chief
President
United States of Credonia
OOC: Yeah, a land based system would be required, I have a few ideas my self but I have no talent for really techincal stuff, but I have a few good ideas, contact me via MSN and maybe we could trade ideas.

OOC: Me and Pushka were thinking on the same lines. Were going to include land and space into the equation. Credonia I'm interested to see on what you have in mind for the land bases. Also I can help fund your land bases. We can give up to $700 billion in funds to the land bases. If more is required we will be more than willingly appropriate more funds.

Also where's Pushka, can't forget him.

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OOC: Actually tommorrow will be the day that I debut the SV-1SS

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I will post an image and an RP about the deput of the SV-1 later on today. Hows things going for the others?

I'll send 1 billion RRD and a few scienctist and enginners to help with the project.

Could you telegram me on the specs??

I'll send 1 billion RRD and a few scienctist and enginners to help with the project.

Could you telegram me on the specs??

Thanks for the citizens but what are RRDs? Check you telegrams.

Thanks for the citizens but what are RRDs? Check you telegrams.

RRD is Roman Republican Dollars. $1 RRD = $1.59 USD

Not bad, Space Union, thanks for sending the Specs. I'll provide my transportation use 3 Shuttles, named: Discovery, Columbia, and Atlantis.THis will provide logistical support and Astronaut transport.

Not bad, Space Union, thanks for sending the Specs. I'll provide my transportation use 3 Shuttles, named: Discovery, Columbia, and Atlantis.THis will provide logistical support and Astronaut transport.

We thank Roman Republic for their commitment to their part of the deal.

President Harsimran Mann
Technocratic Republic of Space Union

OOC: Do you have any ideas for the weapons systems? Some people like Credonia and The Silver Sky, and MassPwnage have suggested a couple of weapons systems.

I see all the decisions are made without me? Heh, i guess i had it coming. Well i am gonna have my ideas and designs ready on saturday, until then i am just checking in, i had a wonderful idea while not listening to the lecture in my philosophy class. I'll give it to you then its ready.

I see all the decisions are made without me? Heh, i guess i had it coming. Well i am gonna have my ideas and designs ready on saturday, until then i am just checking in.

I'm sorry, its my fault. I thought that allowing more people into the project would make the program far more effective at protecting all of us. This is a partnership so I should have asked to have your consult. My deepest apologies.

President Harsimran Mann
Technocratic Republic of Space Union

OOC: Sorry for making all the decisions. But you haven't missed much. Currently we're just making ideas. Post your ideas on Saturday and Sunday the team will begin to plan out the construction of the network. Currently, only Credonia I believe is building anything. He is creating the ground network that will work in cooperation with the stations. Also, I'll consult you on new members from now on.

OOC: Its okay, hopefully i have more time soon. I have to divide my free time between getting wasted with freinds and these forums, i like both equally. Damn you adult life.

A weapon I suggest is.

1.) like the laser called Icarus in James Bond: Die Another Day.
2.) A laser the blows the Hell out of the enemy.

OOC: I already have those Icarus type lasers, i call them BMEs and i have twelve of them right now.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/ABMstation.jpg
Early model of the Stations, note only the 1000mm linear gun is mounted as of now (The smaller cylinders around the big one are the eletromagnetic rails for the gun), I need to finalize the designs of the other weapons, and can some one give me the specs or a pic of the laser you guys were talking about?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/ABMstation.jpg
Early model of the Stations, note only the 1000mm linear gun is mounted as of now (The smaller cylinders around the big one are the eletromagnetic rails for the gun), I need to finalize the designs of the other weapons, and can some one give me the specs or a pic of the laser you guys were talking about?

That's an extraordinary picture of the station :eek: Good job. I'm not sure though what the laser specs are for the gun but either Pushka or Roman Republic probably know.

That's an extraordinary picture of the station :eek: Good job. I'm not sure though what the laser specs are for the gun but either Pushka or Roman Republic probably know.
:D *blushes* Thanks, I thought it was only a ok job, it's not one of my best works, I used a 3D modeler program, tell me if you want it and I'll send a link, I'll edit it later, I gotta go I'm going out for dinner, bye

:D *blushes* Thanks, I thought it was only a ok job, it's not one of my best works, I used a 3D modeler program, tell me if you want it and I'll send a link, I'll edit it later, I gotta go I'm going out for dinner, bye

Sure, I would like a link to your 3D modeler. I'm in need of one right now because the one that I'm using doesn't have a function that I need to finish my model of the SV-1. Thanks.

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http://www.doga.co.jp/english/
There you go! There are three programs L1, L2, and L3, you can render work in L1 but you are stuck to certain backgrounds and five colors, in L2 you cannot render unless you pay the 20 dollars to buy the registration key but you get a lot more colors, different textures, and different camoes for free, I use L2 I haven't used L3 so I can't really tell you about, all these are availble for free download.

OOC - been working on some nuclear powered anti-ICBM sattelites, should be able to post about 6pm GMT.

OOC - been working on some nuclear powered anti-ICBM sattelites, should be able to post about 6pm GMT.

OOC: A question, why would a satelite need nuclear power?

OOC: A question, why would a satelite need nuclear power?
OOC: For endurence, it last a lot longer then chemical power and is less prone to breaking then solar power (solar panels can break), and for the weaponry this station is gonna have we're gonna need at least 1 maybe 2 small nuclear reactors, or a nuclear reactor and a bunch of solar panels
I think I'll give you guys a sneak peek at the new revamped station. :)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/ABMStation2.jpg
I replaced the 1000mm gun with a new one, the little guns are 75mm auto-linear guns, missile pods and lasers have yet to be modeled and installed, the weird looking panels on the bottom slide open and reveal a cargo bay, you could put many supplies in there or even fly a small shuttle into it.

So what do you think?

OOC: For endurence, it last a lot longer then chemical power and is less prone to breaking then solar power (solar panels can break), and for the weaponry this station is gonna have we're gonna need at least 1 maybe 2 small nuclear reactors, or a nuclear reactor and a bunch of solar panels
I think I'll give you guys a sneak peek at the new revamped station. :)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/ABMStation2.jpg
I replaced the 1000mm gun with a new one, the little guns are 75mm auto-linear guns, missile pods and lasers have yet to be modeled and installed, the weird looking panels on the bottom slide open and reveal a cargo bay, you could put many supplies in there or even fly a small shuttle into it.

So what do you think?

Once again, you have outdone yourself. That is beautiful. Is the station facing toward Earth?

OOC: Solar panels are gonna break in space? Thats something new.
Let me tell you a few problems with having a nuclear reactor in space. With today's level of technology it can not be done, plus it is completely unneccessary, solar panels, covered with protective coating are much safer and will last forever. Also if you gonna have a nuclear reactor then that satelite is gonna have to have a crew to maintain that nuclear reactor. Not that much energy is required to run a satelite, solar plates would be more then enough. Plus the extra expenss of building a nuclear reactor. It is simply unneccessary, risky, and impossible. How the hell will you get your reactor to work in a vaccum?

OOC: Solar panels are gonna break in space? Thats something new.
Let me tell you a few problems with having a nuclear reactor in space. With today's level of technology it can not be done, plus it is completely unneccessary, solar panels, covered with protective coating are much safer and will last forever. Also if you gonna have a nuclear reactor then that satelite is gonna have to have a crew to maintain that nuclear reactor. Not that much energy is required to run a satelite, solar plates would be more then enough. Plus the extra expenss of building a nuclear reactor. It is simply unneccessary, risky, and impossible. How the hell will you get your reactor to work in a vaccum?

I wasn't talking about a nuclear reactor. What i meant was a laser powered by a nuclear detonation (sorry I didn't make this clearer). Its based on a model the US developed for their "Star Wars" programme.
The problem with lasers is that they need enormous amounts of power to make them strong enough to even Interfere with an ICBM let alone destroy it. This idea takes a tracking sattelite capable of targetting, etc, and attaching a samll nuclear device inside a light refractive case with a laser generator on the end. When the device is detonated, for the instant the blast is contained (and it would be just an instant) all the light is refracted through the laser geberator, producing a laser beam at least strong enough to mission kill an ICBM, ie knock it off course or destroy it's electronics, if not to destroy it in orbit.
Pros - it would only cost about $700million per satellite (got prices from looking at tracking sats and nuclear bombs in storefronts), launch costs would be no more than commercial sats and they could be controlled from the ground.
Cons - it's a one shot weapon.

OOC: Solar panels are gonna break in space? Thats something new.
Let me tell you a few problems with having a nuclear reactor in space. With today's level of technology it can not be done, plus it is completely unneccessary, solar panels, covered with protective coating are much safer and will last forever. Also if you gonna have a nuclear reactor then that satelite is gonna have to have a crew to maintain that nuclear reactor. Not that much energy is required to run a satelite, solar plates would be more then enough. Plus the extra expenss of building a nuclear reactor. It is simply unneccessary, risky, and impossible. How the hell will you get your reactor to work in a vaccum?
I always get land based solar panels confused with space based ones. :headbang:
But how long do you think solar panels are gonna last in a warzone, remember some of the ICBMs are gonna be pretty close when they get intercepted, there is gonna be blast that cold possilbly tear off solar panels, and there's a little thing called shrapnel, and do you think solar panels are gonna be able to provide power for all of these weapons?
And who says it's gonna be a vaccum, see the central cylinder, that rotates causing gravity. And I think everyone else powers there stations with nuclear reactors.

Remember this is only in the planning stages, I could change it to solat power pretty quick, so why doesn't everyone take a vote?
Nuclear or Solar Power?

Edit: And aren't these stations gonna be manned anyways, that would help with matinence.

OOC: How are you going to dispose of nuclear reactor's by products? Also solar panels don't always have to be out and about, during battle they can be retracted back into special compartments. If you have enough solar panels, they will generate enough power, i don't know how much power does your weapon require so i cannot elaborate any further. Plus ofcourse, the cost and maintanance, you can just leave a solar panel to be operated and maintained by the computer, but same can not be done with a nuclear reactor, its too dangerous.

OOC: How are you going to dispose of nuclear reactor's by products? Also solar panels don't always have to be out and about, during battle they can be retracted back into special compartments. If you have enough solar panels, they will generate enough power, i don't know how much power does your weapon require so i cannot elaborate any further. Plus ofcourse, the cost and maintanance, you can just leave a solar panel to be operated and maintained by the computer, but same can not be done with a nuclear reactor, its too dangerous.
Solar panels it is then! :D

I have an idea. Why don't we have the solar panels but have lasers that can beam up energy to the space stations when the solar panels are offline/unavailable. What do you guys think?

That might work, NASA has already fired a laser at a plate sized target on the side the space shuttle, it's a possiblity.

I have an idea. Why don't we have the solar panels but have lasers that can beam up energy to the space stations when the solar panels are offline/unavailable. What do you guys think?

It would be possible to "beam" energy through a microwave beam, but I don't know what sort of range would be possible. I'm also preety sure the recieving station would have to be in a geo-synchronis orbit.

OOC: I remeber reading that last summer american scientists have literally teleported a single particle of matter a distance of 70 miles. Since energy is no matter maybe it can be teleported greater distances. I'll have to research this a bit more.

OOC: I remeber reading that last summer american scientists have literally teleported a single particle of matter a distance of 70 miles. Since energy is no matter maybe it can be teleported greater distances. I'll have to research this a bit more.
Gentlemen, and ladies (If there are any here), I think we have found our secondary power source! :D
I've also been thinking, maybe we could build a array of large solar panels around the earth, they would be in high orbit (300+miles) and they could beam down the energy to the stations, because a land station would be vurerable to terrorist and sabatogue, plus it would be freaking cool!

Ysim Airbase, Uios Desert

Today was the day that everything that had been researched on for over 4 years was going to be revealed. Space Union had been developing a space plane under the name of Project Void. President Harsimran Mann was at this ceremony to open the gates to the aircraft.

"Today, my people, we are no longer bound to the ground!" The people roared in laughter at the rhyme. "We will travel to orbit, we will travel to the moon, we will travel to Mars, and we will travel to the stars! Because our scientist have been working on our prototype for our space vehicle. And finally after hearing me yapping so much let us show you all our work!"

The audience fell silent as the doors of Hanger SV opened up. A white object was being towed out. The reporters lifted their cameras as the spaceplane entered the light. It was the moment all the scientist and engineers had been waiting for. All their hard work they had spent for over 4 year, was being unveiled to the public.

The spaceplane entered the runway to be seen by the crowd. Looks of astonishment marked the faces of the people present. They then all roared in excitement.

"This is the hard work our fellow scientist and engineers have been working on. It is a beautiful bird that will take us to the stars. Currently, this is just the prototype of the spaceplane. It is designated SV-1 after the hanger it was stored in but after taking a poll of names, we have come to pick the name of our ship. We picked "Quaser"." The entire crowd started saying "Quaser! Quaser! Quaser!". President Harsimran Mann left the stand to go next to the SV-1. He opened up a bottle of champaign and said "Let this day live in infamy" before he smashed the bottle against the Quaser signaling the beginning of the testing period.

SV-1SS:http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/Blackbird-SR-71/SV-1SS.jpg

OOC: The SV-1SS (Space Station) is the one on the bottom-right of the picture. The other ones (from Top-Left,Top-Right, and Bottom-Left) are the SV-1T (Transport for other Space Union projects), SV-1M (Military), and SV-1DS (Deep Space Capsule). Also the SV-1SS is currently in testing mode. By next year it will be ready for production. If other members need this as their space vehicle or as an intermediate space vehicle then they can just ask. They can request any model they want.

I would like to purchase 4 of each shuttle type as soon as production has begun.

Gentlemen, and ladies (If there are any here), I think we have found our secondary power source! :D
I've also been thinking, maybe we could build a array of large solar panels around the earth, they would be in high orbit (300+miles) and they could beam down the energy to the stations, because a land station would be vurerable to terrorist and sabatogue, plus it would be freaking cool!

I think thats a bit too future tech. We don't need that much energy, plus i think i found a new energy source, well more like an implifier. I'll give you the info tomorrow.

I would like to purchase 4 of each shuttle type as soon as production has begun.

Okay that will be 4 of each then. Usually this would cost $3 billion but since you are a member of this system than the price will be 70% off. That will be $900,000,000 for each. A total cost of $7,200,000,000. I cut 50% off of the final price. Thanks for buying from me. Specs will be added tommorrow but the SV-1SS alone can carry 3 times more than the space shuttle.

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Work on the station has been progressing slowly as I have a monster stomach ache, fatigue, and a sore throat, so I'm really tired now, I'll only be on for another hour at most, I hope I get better soon, I have a soccer game on sunday.

Work on the station has been progressing slowly as I have a monster stomach ache, fatigue, and a sore throat, so I'm really tired now, I'll only be on for another hour at most, I hope I get better soon, I have a soccer game on sunday.

Best of hopes from me for you to get better. Also I hope your team wins.

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I'm feeling alot better this morning, I should be able to get some work on the station done, just so you know how cool it will look here are some of my other works:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/Styker.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/JusticeIFV.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/Justice1234.jpg

Hope fully the station will be just as good! :D

I'm feeling alot better this morning, I should be able to get some work on the station done, just so you know how cool it will look here are some of my other works:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/Styker.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/JusticeIFV.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/Justice1234.jpg

Hope fully the station will be just as good! :D

Those are amazing! I hope the space stations are going to look as good as those. :D

Also Pushka's going to have a write-up today with his ideas so be sure to see his suggestions and design the space station with some of the more important ideas in mind.

Those are amazing! I hope the space stations are going to look as good as those. :D

Also Pushka's going to have a write-up today with his ideas so be sure to see his suggestions and design the space station with some of the more important ideas in mind.
Thanks!

I hope Pushka hurries with the write up I really want to work on the station some more.

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Hey, Space Union, are you gonna let new people come in this thread, because if too amny people become a part of this it's gonna be costly and it's gonna take longer to design and build the stations.

OOC: I don't really think I'm going to allow any more people than 3 at the most to join. Beyond that, members will be burdens not assets. Also Pushka and me will make joint decisions if any new members are going to join but I think the current level (if MassPwnage wants to join theirs a slot for him) is fine.

OOC: I don't really think I'm going to allow any more people than 3 at the most to join. Beyond that, members will be burdens not assets. Also Pushka and me will make joint decisions if any new members are going to join but I think the current level (if MassPwnage wants to join theirs a slot for him) is fine.
Cool, ok.
When is Pushka gonna get done with his write-up I really want to work on the station. :(

Cool, ok.
When is Pushka gonna get done with his write-up I really want to work on the station. :(

You can begin your work on the space station. I don't know when Pushka will put up his write-up.

You can begin your work on the space station. I don't know when Pushka will put up his write-up.
Sure commencing work now.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/ABMStation3.jpg
Progress 70% complete...
As you see the gun is pointed towards earth and it now is armed with long range high speed missiles in many launchers, also added are the solar panels, 12 of them to be exact, they also rotate, and are made out of new stronger solar cells and they all the cells on the panel won't go offline if some are broken. And it is equipped with two banks of back up battery power cells and two chemical power generators.
And notice to fit the Space Unions new shuttles I've made the hangar bigger.
The solar panels took forever, this station is my longest DOGA-L2 project yet over 3 days!

So what do you think?

OOC: I'm gonna be offline for a little bit, my mom's yelling at me. :p

Excellent work Silver Sky! Thats even better than your other ones.

I wonder when Pushka's going to give his ideas. I'll TG him.

Actually i just reviewed my idea and decided it was crap, lets stick with silver skie's satelites. They are gonna be controlled from space stations, my SDMs will protect them from enemy anti-satelite fire, also there will be a network of precision detection satelites around around the earth, which will give Silver Skie's satelite's the coordinates and speed of enemy missiles, they will also be protected by SDMs.

A precision detection satelites will use a variety of sensors including LIDAR, and radar, it will also be linked to the network of radars on earth. I think the network aproach should be much more effective then a super-pooper satelite that knows all and sees all.

Anyways those are my two cents. I really didn't have as much time as i hoped for this weekend so i got almost nothing done, it took me two hours to do my GAT-17 tank write up and then i had to go, yesterday. I don't have much more time today. Sorry.

Actually i just reviewed my idea and decided it was crap, lets stick with silver skie's satelites. They are gonna be controlled from space stations, my SDMs will protect them from enemy anti-satelite fire, also there will be a network of precision detection satelites around around the earth, which will give Silver Skie's satelite's the coordinates and speed of enemy missiles, they will also be protected by SDMs.

A precision detection satelites will use a variety of sensors including LIDAR, and radar, it will also be linked to the network of radars on earth. I think the network aproach should be much more effective then a super-pooper satelite that knows all and sees all.

Anyways those are my two cents. I really didn't have as much time as i hoped for this weekend so i got almost nothing done, it took me two hours to do my GAT-17 tank write up and then i had to go, yesterday. I don't have much more time today. Sorry.

Actually his drawings show the space station not the satellites. But everything else is fine. So here are the components of NDS:

-12 Space Stations (shoot down nukes and conduct anti-satellite warfare)
-Network of Satellites (conduct reconnisance on whereabouts of nukes)
-Land Bases (provide backup support to space stations if they can't take out nukes)

Hey people I'm working on the station, it's coming along great, I hope to have it done soon.

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Credonia: Hows work on the land bases going?

OOC:

Space Union- Sorry, i havent been able to work some time into my schedule to work on the system, however, I will get started first thing in the morning. (I even had to put my major RP on hold....girl issues- nuttin bad..just gettin with one lol). Wont take very long. Should have it all planned out and ready to present by tomorrow evening, or early, early thursday morning.

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Space Union- Sorry, i havent been able to work some time into my schedule to work on the system, however, I will get started first thing in the morning. (I even had to put my major RP on hold....girl issues- nuttin bad..just gettin with one lol). Wont take very long. Should have it all planned out and ready to present by tomorrow evening, or early, early thursday morning.

OOC:
No sweat. Real life issues also have been plaguing me. In the next week were going to decide on what features to use and also the outline of the entire system. I've been working on it for a while so it will need input from other members. But feel free to post when you can.

OOC:
No sweat. Real life issues also have been plaguing me. In the next week were going to decide on what features to use and also the outline of the entire system. I've been working on it for a while so it will need input from other members. But feel free to post when you can.

I guess we all got real life problems, I got grounded for getting one F in school, I'll be grounded until the end of the month, but If I get a good report from my teacher, I could be ungrounded as early as friday, so let's all pray and hope I get a good report.

The Silver Sky

PS: This means I will be unable to work on the station for a while.

YAY! I can post with The Silver Sky again!

OOC: We'll since we are all talking about the events in our personal lives and i am felling so happy i can start giving strangers money any time now, i will tell you of the single, greatest event that happened in my life in last 2 years. I quit my truck loading job and finally became a newspaper writer! Yay! I work for a Russian gaming magazine called "Igromania" got the notice this morning. I am kind of in the "reserve" for right now, but atleast i will save my back, get some sleep during the day and have more time for the university. Plus the money, compared to what i used to earn it is astronomical. So, go me.

As for this project, i think i'll get around to doing my own system write up on saturday. I finally got some solid ideas. Screw having power generators on your satelites, screw having space stations. It can all be controlled from the ground and using my method less then a douzen satelites is needed, they can perfecly run on just two solar panels, 5 quadratic meters each. And the satelite itself doesn't have to be more then 2 meters in height and 1.5 meters in length at its thickest point. Just wait a little bit more, this will be great.

OOC: We'll since we are all talking about the events in our personal lives and i am felling so happy i can start giving strangers money any time now, i will tell you of the single, greatest event that happened in my life in last 2 years. I quit my truck loading job and finally became a newspaper writer! Yay! I work for a Russian gaming magazine called "Igromania" got the notice this morning. I am kind of in the "reserve" for right now, but atleast i will save my back, get some sleep during the day and have more time for the university. Plus the money, compared to what i used to earn it is astronomical. So, go me.

As for this project, i think i'll get around to doing my own system write up on saturday. I finally got some solid ideas. Screw having power generators on your satelites, screw having space stations. It can all be controlled from the ground and using my method less then a douzen satelites is needed, they can perfecly run on just two solar panels, 5 quadratic meters each. And the satelite itself doesn't have to be more then 2 meters in height and 1.5 meters in length at its thickest point. Just wait a little bit more, this will be great.

Great to hear that you have got a great job! Hope your write some great column in the magazine/newspaper.

For the project. I'm interested in hearing your new proposal.

OOC: Okay i am gonna do the technical stuff later but let me just give you a general idea of what i want to do. We have lasers on the ground, they fire at our satelites, satelites implify and reflect the laser beam towards the missile, a simple radar system can compute the angle at which the reflection has to occur. The laser heats up the missile's fuel tanks in .3 seconds and the missile explodes in mid air, its nuclear charge getting evaporated from the temperature and not creating a nuclear explosion. We can have satelites with different uses, some will implify the beams, some will split them in two or three. A network can be created quickly and effectively with nothing really high tech involved.

OOC: Okay i am gonna do the technical stuff later but let me just give you a general idea of what i want to do. We have lasers on the ground, they fire at our satelites, satelites implify and reflect the laser beam towards the missile, a simple radar system can compute the angle at which the reflection has to occur. The laser heats up the missile's fuel tanks in .3 seconds and the missile explodes in mid air, its nuclear charge getting evaporated from the temperature and not creating a nuclear explosion. We can have satelites with different uses, some will implify the beams, some will split them in two or three. A network can be created quickly and effectively with nothing really high tech involved.


I like this idea. It will effectively cut the price of the program by half. What do everyone else think about it?

Sounds like this one super weapon in one of the video games I own, it shoots a particle laser beam into the sky and it's reflected down on the enemys, I think it sounds cool.

Exept instead of a particle laser beam we are gonna use a laser beam, the ray travels at the speed of light which is 300000000 m/s, fastest speed in the universe, someone might pop up and start saying that light travels slower in an atmosphere, but that is not really significant, anyways it gets reflected by a mirror attached to a satelite (the mirror design i'll make, but i won't talk about it till the weekends so don't ask) and back into earth there it hits the missile and heats up its fuel tanks, exploding it prematuraly. The whole process gonna take less time then it takes you to blink.

Could you build a facility or facilities in my Country.

ooc:this is basically what i was doing with my interstellar alliance. could i get in on this?

The more the marrier, the bigger the network, the more effective it is. You're all in.

Could you build a facility or facilities in my Country.

Sure but what kind of facility would you like. Are you talking about the land stations that will fire the lasers? If so, we will more than happy to build at least one of these in your nation. Just post a map of your country and areas available for development.

I think also that everyone will have at least one land station in their country. What does everyone think?

Also all members post your opinion on this subject and how many you would like if you agree with it.

Thank You,
President Harsimran Mann

Duke Barol:

I added you nation to members. Just read through the thread to get an understanding of the project.

One wouldn't be enough and it doesn't really matter there the ground lasers are located, all that matters that there are satelites above them. I am thinking a douzen of ground lasers per nation, with about 70-90 satelites in total. The enemy will probably launch thousands of nukes, but 90 satelites should be more then enough to blow them up in mid air before they do any damage. Also if we gonna go realistic with this then we need to realize that the only time then there is a 100 % chance of destroying a nuke is within first ten minutes of its flight, before it gets to its full speed and alitutude, after that it will be much harder to catch, possible, but harder.

I'll take the Land base and a small Command Control for the satellites.

Map:
http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~smartin/rome/images/empiremap.gif

Your idea is nice Pushka, but how would you be able to power a laser with enough energy to explode a nuke, I could see how you could do it be for the nukes seperate in a MIRVed ICBM, but remember the warheads have to be heavily shielded from heat because of re-entry which causes the air to go in to a superheated plasma state, also the laser would lose power going through the atmoshpere, but if you already accounted for these problems it's a good idea to me.

Ah...i think you got a little problem with your understanding of a ballisitc missile. But anyways, as i said the missiles should be shot down in first 10 minutes after they are fired. The laser will not loose any significant amount of energy if it is reflected at a critical angle, plus the reflector on the satelite will be made out of movable segments, and it will also be a convex mirror, concentrating the laser's energy in a smaller area. This should work fine.

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but Pushka you never answered me on how you would be able to power a laser that strong without people going "OMG FUTURE TECH! I IGNORE YOU!"

I think we will use nuclear powered plants to power the ground based lasers. I don't expect the lasers to demand far exceeding amounts of energy that a nuclear power plant can't put out.

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but Pushka you never answered me on how you would be able to power a laser that strong without people going "OMG FUTURE TECH! I IGNORE YOU!"

How? Electric station thats how, the same way NASA powers the laser which they fire at the moon. It does not require astronomical energy to create a beam intense enough to quickly heat up the fuel tanks and destroy the missile. The trick is in finding the right angle of reflection. The laser projector on the ground will only have to fire for less then a second, light travels at very high speeds as you know, it will take it much less then a second to get reflected off the satelite and destroy the missile.

Ah, ok, do you think you could get me a drawing of it, I'm itching to put my DOGA L3 skills to good use.

OOC: I can draw a pencil outline for you, but i'll need to wait till i can get to work tomorrow and scan it till i can put it on the net.

OOC: Ah ok, I can wait, and in the mean time, has anyone else done anything?

Oh, and Pushka, do you think you could help me design a recoil system for a tank with twin 105mm ETC guns, here's the pic (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/Justice1234.jpg) telegram me if your interested.

OOC: Ah ok, I can wait, and in the mean time, has anyone else done anything?

Oh, and Pushka, do you think you could help me design a recoil system for a tank with twin 105mm ETC guns, here's the pic (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/Justice1234.jpg) telegram me if your interested.
ooc:that tank looks cool.
ooc2:if you want, i could help with stats for it
ooc3:will it be for sale?

ooc:that tank looks cool.
ooc2:if you want, i could help with stats for it
ooc3:will it be for sale?

OOC: 1: I hope it looks cool, I spent a whole day on it, and I had 3 prototypes before it.
2: That would be cool, I've got to bare stats:
Weight: 85-90 tons
Height: about 7 feet
length: about 25-30 feet
Weapons:
Twin 105mm ETC guns
1x 15.5mm MG COAX
1x 15.5mm MG mounted on top
and those red things are a laser missile defence system
and on every fifth tank, a AA/AG missile launcher
That's all I got for now.
3: Allies would get a full version, and a hunkered down export version would probably end up on the market.

OOC: Ah ok, I can wait, and in the mean time, has anyone else done anything?

Oh, and Pushka, do you think you could help me design a recoil system for a tank with twin 105mm ETC guns, here's the pic (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/68157Silver/Justice1234.jpg) telegram me if your interested.

OOC: Very nice MBT, Silver Sky. If that comes out, I'm going to add that to my arsenal.

Also for the satellites. Heres the layout:

90 satellites (50 Nuke-Shooters, 30 Anti-Satellite Warfare, 10 Spy/Data Satellites)
12 Ground-Based Lasers in Each Nation
1 Centeral Command Station
2 Command Stations in Each Nation

How does this sound? If this succeeds we can vote on whether to implant it and Silver Sky can make a picture of it.

In the Light of the ever growing Agressive Nuclear Nations problem, we would like to take part in this Joint project, and we will be delighted to contribute money for this project because it will protect our loved population.

General Roussilon of the Development division of the van Luxemburg armed Forces.

In the Light of the ever growing Agressive Nuclear Nations problem, we would like to take part in this Joint project, and we will be delighted to contribute money for this project because it will protect our loved population.

General Roussilon of the Development division of the van Luxemburg armed Forces.

Sure you can join. Currently, were choosing designs and creating the ideas. By next week construction will probably have started.

Thank you very much, you have our full backing.

Silver Sky, i'll TG you some time soon, i need some time to think on a recoil system for two gunned turret, i am interested.

So is every nation going to have what Space Union posted as his arsenal

So is every nation going to have what Space Union posted as his arsenal

I'm just suggesting that. Were going to vote. If you vote no you can say what changes you want. So you can vote if you think it should be adopted or if some changes should be made to it.

I'll vote for it.

OOC: Very nice MBT, Silver Sky. If that comes out, I'm going to add that to my arsenal.

Also for the satellites. Heres the layout:

90 satellites (50 Nuke-Shooters, 30 Anti-Satellite Warfare, 10 Spy/Data Satellites)
12 Ground-Based Lasers in Each Nation
1 Centeral Command Station
2 Command Stations in Each Nation

How does this sound? If this succeeds we can vote on whether to implant it and Silver Sky can make a picture of it.
I like the idea for the layout, I'm for it, and you, Pushka, and Credonia, as well as other respected allies will get a discount on the MBT.(40% or 50%, haven't decided yet) I'm still undecided on wheater this will be for sale to other non-allied players, if so it will be a scaled down version.
Silver Sky, i'll TG you some time soon, i need some time to think on a recoil system for two gunned turret, i am interested.
I hoped you would be, thanks! :)

We should have more than one main command station. other than that, im fine with everything. also, will this be an all-inclusive alliance?

I agree, like the ideas.

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The Fiefdom of Santa Mariella would like to sponsor this. We are a forward-looking people who welcome space travel and space exploration. In fact, one Santa Mariellan red wolf was sent into space as an experiment, funded by two thousand Santa Mariellan lira.

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put up a poll for it. i am willing to have a command/controll center in angola and lasers in botswanna and the galapagos Islands

*BUMP* or *UBER BUMP*

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Okay, we need Pushka to vote on my layout and then we will start building the satellites.

Yeah sure, sounds good.

Okay that settles it. The Silver Sky, could you make a picture of the satellites and ground lasers for us? Thank You.

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Alright before we post the specifications for the satellites, I would like to ask what weapons are we currently agreed on to use? I need this info to make a spec sheet on the satellite. Also what kind of orbit do you guys want to put these satellites in? Geosynchoris (spell?) or Regular (don't remember name)

Geosynchoris

You could have an array of satellites just out side your borders, of course that would mean it would pretty useless against enemies on the other side of the world but that would be fixed by having all nations pitch in a small bit to get a gobal network of satellites up.

Geosynchoris

You could have an array of satellites just out side your borders, of course that would mean it would pretty useless against enemies on the other side of the world but that would be fixed by having all nations pitch in a small bit to get a gobal network of satellites up.

I aggree. However, we should have a second layer of satiltes in regular orbit.

Re: weapons.
If its fine with everyone else, i recomend warheads with a proximity EMP and fragmentation charge. Reasons are obvious

I aggree. However, we should have a second layer of satiltes in regular orbit.

Re: weapons.
If its fine with everyone else, i recomend warheads with a proximity EMP and fragmentation charge. Reasons are obvious

Orbit: We can have each nation have 8 satellites in geosynchonis while we have 4 in Regular orbit.

Weapons:

Good idea but do you have a particular kind of missile or warhead we could use? Also it should be light weight.

Orbit: We can have each nation have 8 satellites in geosynchonis while we have 4 in Regular orbit.

Weapons:

Good idea but do you have a particular kind of missile or warhead we could use? Also it should be light weight.

THAAD
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/jbarol/thaad.jpg

Heres specs for the Nuke-Shooter satellite:

Name:ShadowNight Satellite (Nuke Shooters)
Height:12 meters
Length: 7 meters
Width: 4 meteres
Rockets: 4 Small Orbital Rockets that can be used to steer the satellite in orbit if Command wants to change the satellites orbit.

Description: This is main kind of satellite of the three types of satellites that will be launched as part of the NDS Missile Shield Program. Its job is to reflect ground-based lasers onto incoming WMD missiles to destroy them before they hit any nation. The ShadowNight, also known as the SNDS, features a specially designed mirror made from synthetic aluminium. The mirror is able to reflect a laser beam to its target. To ensure proper success, the SNDS is outfitted with top-of-the-line computers that can communicate with ground-based and other satellite computers to be on-check every second. A total of 400 of these satellites will be launched, with 50 being controlled by each member nation.

Feel free to make suggestions and changes to the spec. I'll be uploading the specs of the other 2 satellites in a little while.

Could someone like Pushka make the specs for the ground-based laser stations/facilities?

Also to make sure no fighting occurs where the Main Command Base will be located, we'll just all have 2 in each and talk to eachother from there.

I don't know if it's been addressed or not, but the McKagan Federation can provide transportation for 2.15mil/trip.

Let me know if you're interested.

No thank you. We can get into space just fine.

What do you guys think of THAAD?

Meh,

I've been trying to sale off a few trips on my shiny new spaceshuttles, but no one has been interested.

I guess it's just time for a few spins around the block, then...

No thank you. We can get into space just fine.

I like it. I'm implenting it as a weapon on the anti-satellite satellites.

I like it. I'm implenting it as a weapon on the anti-satellite satellites.
YAY, pats self on back.

Alright I'm going to post the anti-satellite satellite's specs in a little while.

*Bump*

Leafanistan wishes to help as Leafanistan has created missile defense systems which are highly effective. Our standard Microwave LASER used on the Bravo-class Destroyers, can fry the electronics of a missile in about 5 seconds of continued exposure, increasing power increases the ability to take out a missile. A larger unit such as that used in our main cities (yeah, paranoid defense budget) can even trigger explosives, partially melt wires, and utterly fus e circuit boards after only about a 3 second exposure. This is relatively bulky technologically, and requires a liquid nitrogen cooling system along with a large power supply. This is useful as a last line defense to take out missiles when they are already in atmosphere. We are willing to provide 4 small units and the plans to build these to the nations involved if we in turn get protection from the NDS Missile Shield Program.

OOC: When I read about nuclear reactors in space, there was a bit of confusion. The US and the Soviet Union has used nuclear satellites but they dont' work on the process of nuclear fission via critical mass. They just dip the material in water and as it breaks down it creates heat powering the satellite. However that still requires some solar panels to provide extra power. This creates a bit of radioactivity and you end up with Lead at the very end.

Leafanistan:

Good job, but what does everybody else think? Also this project has been falling behind schedule. I haven't been able to upload the specs for the anti-satellite satellite because of personal problems. Hold on though everyone.

I am hoping to become involved in this program to prevent future nuclear attacks against Willink Soil.

*BUMP* Come on Space Union and Pushka, we all really need a ABM defense system.

Am I a member or not? My Senate is considering allocating large funds toward this.

leaf:its up to SU
OTHERS!!! WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU!!!!

I've been grounded so its hard for me to come on the comp. Hopefully I can still get the specs up in a little while.

Ah, I understand. *BUMP*

Are you still accepting members into the program?

OOC: When I read about nuclear reactors in space, there was a bit of confusion. The US and the Soviet Union has used nuclear satellites but they dont' work on the process of nuclear fission via critical mass. They just dip the material in water and as it breaks down it creates heat powering the satellite. However that still requires some solar panels to provide extra power. This creates a bit of radioactivity and you end up with Lead at the very end.

Never heard of those, also i don't see how they would make the produced steam travel into the turbine to generate electricity, i mean without gravity steam would not go up or down but just float around randomly, same as water. But if they keep water in one container and then somehow force steam to travel into the turbine, that might be possible, they probably use oxygen to propel the steam, but the oxygen runs out, so thats inefficient, well i don't know, but if you say so, sure i'll beleive you. I heard that US is developing a nuclear reactor that uses the more toxic Uranium-238, which they somehow plan to use as a fuel for space based nuclear generators, but thats about it. Anyways, we don't need that much power, better use that space to store extra oxygen tanks for maneuvering.

This thing should be fine. And yes we are accepting members (atleast as far as i know) more laser sites we have around the globe better the chances of the system working.

This thing should be fine. And yes we are accepting members (atleast as far as i know) more laser sites we have around the globe better the chances of the system working.

In that case, the Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia respectfully requests to join the NDS Missile Program, and we pledge the use of our Leafanistani-made Microwave LASER system to the project, in addition to any other defenses that the founding powers of this project wish us to install.

In that case, the Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia respectfully requests to join the NDS Missile Program, and we pledge the use of our Leafanistani-made Microwave LASER system to the project, in addition to any other defenses that the founding powers of this project wish us to install.
can you give us the stats for that?

I have no problem with you joining, as far as i am concerned you're in, but you probably should also ask other founders of this project, TG Space Union and Silver Sky, tell them that i am okay with you joining and wait for their answer, or they might just post in this thread, i don't know.

As far as I know they can join, but it's up to Space Union.

Go ahead anyone that wants to can join.

can you give us the stats for that?

Sure.

The original version:
It uses focused microwaves to overload and melt a missile's circuit board, rendering its electronics useless.

The US military just used a few of these to take out low orbit satellite and shoot down some old tactical nuclear ballistic missiles in a trial out in White Sands. They just gave the plans to Israel to thelp them protect themselves. So far it takes about a 30 second exposure with a standard burst to fully destroy a missile's circuitry.

We asked then asked Leafanistan if we could get an upgraded version, as 30 seconds per missile is a long time when you're dealing with multiple missiles, and he told us this: Compound Refracting Microwave LASER turrets can reach around low orbit and take about 3-5 seconds to fully burn out a missile's systems. Also we are working on a Microwave tank, and the turret can be used on ground targets. One thing, there are 13 different frequencies on that Microwave turret, all the way from water (kill biological targets) to concrete (anti-building use) to titanium (anti-armor use).

We can complete a full defense system along with protected power plants in about 10 years with your full cooperation.

That was three days ago, so we've got a RL week to go before the system is complete.

The only problem with that is even with a 3-5 second firing time it would be to slow, a nuclear ballistic missile goes about Mach 24 during re-entry, that means you have 1-3 second to target it it and 1-2 seconds to fire, but that's only if they missile is going at a less then 80 degree angle at over 80 degrees the POI (probablity of intercept) is almost zero for a mircowave laser, the only things you'd be able to shoot down are old missiles that go less then Mach 18, missiles during launch, cruise missiles, or short range ballistic/guided missiles or artillery shells, the only way you'd be able to shoot down a ICBM with a Microwave laser is if the laser was on a satellite.

Good day fellow space faring nations!

My nation's intelligence agency has just informed me of this "Star Wars" program you all are building. This is all rather nice, but in the report, I never saw anything that mentioned defense systems for the space stations. I'm just curious how well are these dozen or so stations protected from space borne threats? I'm not talking about missles or space cannons or anyother long range weapon. I'm talking about a group of special forces boarding the station. I bring this up because Luxus Mond is very familiar with such raids. In the past few years, we have had to deal with terrorists that have hijacked our commerical spaceliners. Therefore our special forces have become very well trained in rescuing hostages from spacecraft. Think of Luxus Mond's Space Special Forces like the Israeli Special Forces. Basically, if we can break into a spacecraft, someone else can.

Luxus Mond can offer top notch security advisors for your stations until you can develop decent station security. In exchange, your stations will not interfere with any of Luxus Mond's space traffic.

Luxs Mond is a peaceful Lunar City with a spaceport on Earth. Our military on Earth is rather small, but this is due to the fact that we can hit about anyone on Earth if we wished to. Plus any nation trying to invade the Moon is easily stopped before reaching the Moon. You may ask, how can a Lunar City survive? First off, our nation has grown due to the large mineral resources on the Moon. Second, Luxus Mond is largest exporter of spacecraft of the Moon with companies such as Valkyrie Aerospace and Komodo Picotto Solar Yachts. Third, our lunar city is part of a thirty Lunar City alliance, called the United Lunar Socialists.

Anyway, if any of you nations are interested, please feel free to contact me. Here are some links to a few of Valkyrie's spacecraft.

Valkyrie Orion Space Clipper
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v704/Veers57/HAS%20Designs/OrionSpaceClipper.jpg

Orion's Interior
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v704/Veers57/HAS%20Designs/OrionSpaceClipperInterior.jpg

Valkyrie Merope Space Tug
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v704/Veers57/HAS%20Designs/MeropeSpaceTug.jpg

Thank you gentlemen. Enjoy your day.

Premier Kyle Caskey
Luxus Mond

Just to tell you, i think we ditched the idea of manned space stations, were going for ground based lasers, and our unmanned space stations will be protected by anti-satellite killers.

Good day fellow space faring nations!

My nation's intelligence agency has just informed me of this "Star Wars" program you all are building. This is all rather nice, but in the report, I never saw anything that mentioned defense systems for the space stations. I'm just curious how well are these dozen or so stations protected from space borne threats? I'm not talking about missles or space cannons or anyother long range weapon. I'm talking about a group of special forces boarding the station. I bring this up because Luxus Mond is very familiar with such raids. In the past few years, we have had to deal with terrorists that have hijacked our commerical spaceliners. Therefore our special forces have become very well trained in rescuing hostages from spacecraft. Think of Luxus Mond's Space Special Forces like the Israeli Special Forces. Basically, if we can break into a spacecraft, someone else can.

Luxus Mond can offer top notch security advisors for your stations until you can develop decent station security. In exchange, your stations will not interfere with any of Luxus Mond's space traffic.

Luxs Mond is a peaceful Lunar City with a spaceport on Earth. Our military on Earth is rather small, but this is due to the fact that we can hit about anyone on Earth if we wished to. Plus any nation trying to invade the Moon is easily stopped before reaching the Moon. You may ask, how can a Lunar City survive? First off, our nation has grown due to the large mineral resources on the Moon. Second, Luxus Mond is largest exporter of spacecraft of the Moon with companies such as Valkyrie Aerospace and Komodo Picotto Solar Yachts. Third, our lunar city is part of a thirty Lunar City alliance, called the United Lunar Socialists.

Anyway, if any of you nations are interested, please feel free to contact me. Here are some links to a few of Valkyrie's spacecraft.

Valkyrie Orion Space Clipper
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v704/Veers57/HAS%20Designs/OrionSpaceClipper.jpg

Orion's Interior
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v704/Veers57/HAS%20Designs/OrionSpaceClipperInterior.jpg

Valkyrie Merope Space Tug
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v704/Veers57/HAS%20Designs/MeropeSpaceTug.jpg

Thank you gentlemen. Enjoy your day.

Premier Kyle Caskey
Luxus Mond

We're beginning to stretch out into spaceflight, and your location on the Moon would make your delivery of spacecraft to us convenient. We are primarily interested in two types of spacecraft: small, affordable passenger shuttles for civilian use, and for the everyday person to be able to get into space; and warships, both fighters and capital ships. Do you have a storefront we could visit?

Our old design was made for low flying SCUDs, or cruise missiles. We've been able to build much more powerful compound refracting LASER turrets with more effecient power processing units. The result is a massive power improvement. So far we are working on mirrors or reflecting surfaces capable of withstanding the kinda forces needed for a 1-3 second disable of a missile's systems. Our scientists are toying with the idea of multiple LASERs focusing on one final mirror and firing a full beam like that. Expect about 1-3 NS years before we make it work.

Our old design was made for low flying SCUDs, or cruise missiles. We've been able to build much more powerful compound refracting LASER turrets with more effecient power processing units. The result is a massive power improvement. So far we are working on mirrors or reflecting surfaces capable of withstanding the kinda forces needed for a 1-3 second disable of a missile's systems. Our scientists are toying with the idea of multiple LASERs focusing on one final mirror and firing a full beam like that. Expect about 1-3 NS years before we make it work.

OOC: Cool, you can come over and install that system in the stations you're already building in Halberdgardia. :p

Halberdgardia,

You mentioned an interest in buying spacecraft. Valkyrie Aerospace is more than willing to sell civilian and commerical spacecraft. However their site is down for the moment. Also Valkyrie mentioned recently an addition of engineers, so more designs will be avaiable in the near future. The link I provided for the Orion Space Clipper is the most common Earth to Space transit vessel. It is carried aboard a cargo plane (say a C-5 Galaxy) and then jettisoned. From a high altitude it rockets into space. Very similar to Burt Rutan's Space Ship One design. I believe Burt even works with one of Valkyrie's subcorporations.

As for the military vessels, I'm not sure Luxus Mond can offer much. One of my fellow cities, Clavius Mondstadt, more than likely builds military vessels, but not in the scale you would want. Most of the Lunar military spacecraft are fast attack craft, but short range. As for capital ships, it is too expensive to maintain them. Our population on the Moon isn't that big. Besides the "fighters" you have the fast transport ships. These were orignally smuggler ships to bypass Corporate Blockades in Low Earth Orbit, but now are used as special forces carriers. Like I mentioned earlier on the search and seizure of ships.

Other than that, that is all Luxus Mond and the Moon can offer. There are other companies in Earth orbit or on Earth that might manufacture military spacecraft, but The United Lunar Socialist mandates that all Lunar aerospace companies reduce sales of military grade spacecraft. This is for the desire to keep space friendly and neutral and keep the traffic safe. Most of the time, military spacecraft are not built to the high safety standards as the civilian spacecraft.

ULS will not be able to offer much in your nations' protection from missile threats. Basically we can offer safe haven or protection from space borne threats. Never know when someone might use space as a launching ground for attacks.

Halberdgardia,

You mentioned an interest in buying spacecraft. Valkyrie Aerospace is more than willing to sell civilian and commerical spacecraft. However their site is down for the moment. Also Valkyrie mentioned recently an addition of engineers, so more designs will be avaiable in the near future. The link I provided for the Orion Space Clipper is the most common Earth to Space transit vessel. It is carried aboard a cargo plane (say a C-5 Galaxy) and then jettisoned. From a high altitude it rockets into space. Very similar to Burt Rutan's Space Ship One design. I believe Burt even works with one of Valkyrie's subcorporations.

Excellent. We happen to have a dozen C-5s, and we can easily purchase more to service our spacefleet if need be.

As for the military vessels, I'm not sure Luxus Mond can offer much. One of my fellow cities, Clavius Mondstadt, more than likely builds military vessels, but not in the scale you would want. Most of the Lunar military spacecraft are fast attack craft, but short range. As for capital ships, it is too expensive to maintain them. Our population on the Moon isn't that big. Besides the "fighters" you have the fast transport ships. These were orignally smuggler ships to bypass Corporate Blockades in Low Earth Orbit, but now are used as special forces carriers. Like I mentioned earlier on the search and seizure of ships.

Other than that, that is all Luxus Mond and the Moon can offer. There are other companies in Earth orbit or on Earth that might manufacture military spacecraft, but The United Lunar Socialist mandates that all Lunar aerospace companies reduce sales of military grade spacecraft. This is for the desire to keep space friendly and neutral and keep the traffic safe. Most of the time, military spacecraft are not built to the high safety standards as the civilian spacecraft.

Nevertheless, these designs interest us. If Clavius Mondstadt has a storefront, or if you have a way we can contact them, that would be most convenient. We appreciate your help.

Your fleet of C-5s should be able to handle the Orion Space Clipper. Some tests have been done to carry to Orion's on board, but this limits the range of the C-5, not to mention extra stress to the cargo plane. I'll wire a notice to Valkyrie for the shipment of ten Orion Space Clippers. The price is about $150 Million a piece. This includes the installation of the jettison equipment on the C-5.

Give me about a week or two to get some designs together and go public with a storefront. I'll probably create a simple website highlighting all the designs. The same goes for the military designs from Clavius. A report arrived not to recently that Clavius's factories are being shut down for the annual plant retooling. This happens each year to keep the tools and machines accurate and precise.

I'll contact any nation interested in the future. Just give me the country name, an email address, and an instant messaging screenname (AIM, MSN, and/or YIM)

Here are my stats:
Country: Luxus Mond
Email: ihskcaskey@yahoo.com
AIM: Veers57
MSN: ihskcaskey@yahoo.com
YIM: ihskcaskey

Your fleet of C-5s should be able to handle the Orion Space Clipper. Some tests have been done to carry to Orion's on board, but this limits the range of the C-5, not to mention extra stress to the cargo plane. I'll wire a notice to Valkyrie for the shipment of ten Orion Space Clippers. The price is about $150 Million a piece. This includes the installation of the jettison equipment on the C-5.

Give me about a week or two to get some designs together and go public with a storefront. I'll probably create a simple website highlighting all the designs. The same goes for the military designs from Clavius. A report arrived not to recently that Clavius's factories are being shut down for the annual plant retooling. This happens each year to keep the tools and machines accurate and precise.

I'll contact any nation interested in the future. Just give me the country name, an email address, and an instant messaging screenname (AIM, MSN, and/or YIM)

Here are my stats:
Country: Luxus Mond
Email: ihskcaskey@yahoo.com
AIM: Veers57
MSN: ihskcaskey@yahoo.com
YIM: ihskcaskey

We look forward to the opening of your storefront, and doing business with you.

let me know when the store opens

*BUMP* SU and Pushka have been doing other stuff, hopefully they won't forget about us!

Halberdgardia, we have completed what we believe is our most powerful Microwave LASER to date, and we've also added a frequency modulator to destroy other things besides silicon. So far it now takes about 1-2 seconds to fully burn out a system, however, we have quadrupled power consumption. Would you mind building a few pebblebed fission reactors?

Purhapse we should try a fully different aproach to this, why not shoot down the incoming missiles with ground based missiles? All that need to be done is calculation of the trajectory of the ICBM, after which it can be intercepted by another missile, that will take care of the problem with keeping a laser on a singel missile for a time period, plus we will be able to deal with all the incoming missiles at the same time, realistically we will have maybe two-three douzen ground based defense systems, if the enemy launches thousands of missiles at the same time our network will simply not work fast enough. However if we have an interceptor missile based system then we won't have to worry about time, just tell the computer to lock on the trajectory putting into the formula variables like missile's speed and altitude and just launch another missile at it. I think thats better. What does everybody else think?

Oh and satelite protection wise its provided by my SDM network.

Purhapse we should try a fully different aproach to this, why not shoot down the incoming missiles with ground based missiles? All that need to be done is calculation of the trajectory of the ICBM, after which it can be intercepted by another missile, that will take care of the problem with keeping a laser on a singel missile for a time period, plus we will be able to deal with all the incoming missiles at the same time, realistically we will have maybe two-three douzen ground based defense systems, if the enemy launches thousands of missiles at the same time our network will simply not work fast enough. However if we have an interceptor missile based system then we won't have to worry about time, just tell the computer to lock on the trajectory putting into the formula variables like missile's speed and altitude and just launch another missile at it. I think thats better. What does everybody else think?

Oh and satelite protection wise its provided by my SDM network.

There is a problem with that. Current anti-missile missiles have a failure percentage of 75%, though a new Israeli missile claims a 25% faliure percentage. However any missile defense system is better, perhaps we should start manufacturing Arrow, anti-missile missiles for use by partner coutnries?

Halberdgardia, we have completed what we believe is our most powerful Microwave LASER to date, and we've also added a frequency modulator to destroy other things besides silicon. So far it now takes about 1-2 seconds to fully burn out a system, however, we have quadrupled power consumption. Would you mind building a few pebblebed fission reactors?

Consider it done. Are the LASER stations complete, and can they come on-line?

There is a problem with that. Current anti-missile missiles have a failure percentage of 75%, though a new Israeli missile claims a 25% faliure percentage. However any missile defense system is better, perhaps we should start manufacturing Arrow, anti-missile missiles for use by partner coutnries?

Who said we have to use the Israeli or American missiles? We can develop our own.

YAY! Finally Pushka's back, and even with a failure percentage of 25% you still have a good chance of knocking down missiles.

Lets say the enemy launches 100 ICBMs at you, you have 500 ABM missiles, that's 5 missiles to each of his, that will certainly over come the odds, the hit percentage is relative to the amount of missiles you have to counter each of his missiles.

I never really left, i don't really know which system would be better, the non-laser system seems cheaper and more conventional.

Lets vote then. Either conventional or laser system.

I vote for the conventional system. I estimate it will cost at least 2x less. We could use the money to create better missiles.

Well, I have an Idea for the layers of the ICBM shield

You would have ABM launched from specialized warships and ground stations as well as Theater SAMs when the ICBM are launched.
Then when the remaining missiles reach orbit you have satellites equipped with Micro-guided missiles rather then KE missiles, and satellites with LASER and MASER systems all hooked up to satellites with RADAR, LIDAR and other detection devices along with ground tracking stations.
And the last ditch defense would be a mass barrage of ABM missiles and other systems.
All the while you would have ground based LASER and MASER systems targeting and firing on the ICBMs.

With all systems they would be covering each other flaws and thus raising the sucess rate.

Sounds good to me.

three thumbs up from me. and pushka, can you help me in the war?

three thumbs up from me. and pushka, can you help me in the war?
WAR!? Where? I haven't been in a good RP in awhile, just send me a link, of course you don't have too.

are you in earth 2?

nope, sorry, but I'm in another Earth Type RP, it's on an off-site forum, here's the thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416073
And here's the forum: http://modernwarstudies.net/worldatwar/
It's called World At War, you claim a nation and RP with it's land but you still use you NS nations Population and economy stats, it's really fun (But do not claim a nation in europe if you want to last long, there's a huge war going on, and I'm the USA)

nope, sorry, but I'm in another Earth Type RP, it's on an off-site forum, here's the thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416073
And here's the forum: http://modernwarstudies.net/worldatwar/
It's called World At War, you claim a nation and RP with it's land but you still use you NS nations Population and economy stats, it's really fun (But do not claim a nation in europe if you want to last long, there's a huge war going on, and I'm the USA)
where can i see what nations are available?

Could you TG me what has happened so far? I've been out because of homework but I want to know at least what's going on. Thanks.

Could you TG me what has happened so far? I've been out because of homework but I want to know at least what's going on. Thanks.
About what, this or W@W?

And DB here you go:
Africa:
Morocco
Western Sahara
Mauritania
Senegal
Gambia
Guinea-Bissau
Guinea
Sierra Leone
Liberia
Cote D'Ivoire
Mali
Burkina Faso
Togo
Benin
Ghana
Nigeria
Niger
Chad
Cameroon
Central African Republic
Equatorial Guinea
Gabon
Congo
Angola
Namibia
Botswana
Zambia
Zimbabwe
Mozambique
Tanzania
Kenya
Uganda
Rwanda
Burundi
Somalia
Ethiopia
Eritrea

Asia:
Kazakhstan
Uzbekistan
Iran
Turkey
Lebanon
Saudi Arabia
Yemen
Oman
United Arab Emirates
Pakistan
Bengladesh
Turkmenistan
Kyrgyzstan
Myanmar
Thailand
Laos
Malaysia
Indonesia
Philippines
South Korea
Georgia
Armenia
Azerbaijan

Europe
Ireland
Iceland
Sweden
Slovenia
Croatia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Serbia and Montenegro
Albania
Macedonia
Romania
Moldova
Belarus
Latvia

North America
Haiti
Dominican Republic
Jamaica

South America
Ecuador
Venezuela
Guyana
Suriname
French Guiana
Bolivia
Paraguay

Oceania
Micronesia
Marshall Islands
Other Pacific Island Archipelagos

can i start out as a protectorate of you and then take over another place later?

can i start out as a protectorate of you and then take over another place later?
Sorry man, no can do, but new nations have a 5 day safe period to purchase arms and build up there nation, take a look at the thread for the rules, and don't worry about being invaded right away, no one at the site is a n00b, they won't invade unless you do something stupid, how else do you think I've lasted almost a month without being invaded.

i am going to try to claim:
Haiti
Dominican Republic
Jamaica
i am know as the ImperialLord

i am going to try to claim:
Haiti
Dominican Republic
Jamaica
i am know as the ImperialLord
Umm, no can do, you can only claim ONE (1) nation, and you register at the forums under that nations name, so if you chose Haiti you register under Haiti.
We us real life locations with NS stats, did you read the rules???

Umm, no can do, you can only claim ONE (1) nation, and you register at the forums under that nations name, so if you chose Haiti you register under Haiti.
We us real life locations with NS stats, did you read the rules???
actually, yes, i got a little confused, hold on.

three thumbs up from me. and pushka, can you help me in the war?

Cotland is kind of a big ally of mine, plus i am still reforming my militarie's infrastructure...but maybe i can be a medium in the deplomatic talks.

Cotland is kind of a big ally of mine, plus i am still reforming my militarie's infrastructure...but maybe i can be a medium in the deplomatic talks.

ok, thanks, on the side in tgs im working with ng to reach a peaceful solution.

I vote for a Conventional system, also because of the price, but i just came up with something after I was watching "The ten..." on Discovery Channel, they mentioned something about a US 747 which uses lasers during flight to take out enemy missiles during the Missile's takeoff, Isn't that an Idea for a Third reserve system?

I vote for a Conventional system, also because of the price, but i just came up with something after I was watching "The ten..." on Discovery Channel, they mentioned something about a US 747 which uses lasers during flight to take out enemy missiles during the Missile's takeoff, Isn't that an Idea for a Third reserve system?
Not gonna work, the laser is to big, the power generator for the laser is the big, it's in accurate, it's shortranged, low Rate of fire, to easy to knock out, and too costly, if you had a bigger plane(Way bigger) a smaller laser, a smaller generator, and a more accurate targeting system then MAYBE, but the cost and cost of upkeep is freaking expensive, not to metion the cost of jet fuel for a large fleet of them.

what is going on here, i got sider tracked.

Umm, we're still dicussing the systems, and DB you need a new nation at W@W Madagascar it taken. (The real Madagascar is listed as the Republic(I think) of Madagascar)

Umm, we're still dicussing the systems, and DB you need a new nation at W@W Madagascar it taken. (The real Madagascar is listed as the Republic(I think) of Madagascar)

god darn it..(that was for the mods:))

Duke if there is gonna be a thread for peace talks don't forget to TG me the link.

Lets vote then. Either conventional or laser system.

I vote for the conventional system. I estimate it will cost at least 2x less. We could use the money to create better missiles.

I really don't see why we have to pick one or the other. Can't we use both, LASERs are more effective but high-cost so place them at really important places, and supplement with missiles. Missiles are much more portable so you can put them on mobile systems and move them around, and install ground stations where needed. They each have their merits.

Not gonna work, the laser is to big, the power generator for the laser is the big, it's in accurate, it's shortranged, low Rate of fire, to easy to knock out, and too costly, if you had a bigger plane(Way bigger) a smaller laser, a smaller generator, and a more accurate targeting system then MAYBE, but the cost and cost of upkeep is freaking expensive, not to metion the cost of jet fuel for a large fleet of them.

Well those are meant for smaller scale missiles. I've been thinking of installing a small infrared turret on my planes to essentially blind a missiles heat tracking and they'll fly by and explode at their max alitude. Those are small and easy to keep.

So what is the final Product??

Duke if there is gonna be a thread for peace talks don't forget to TG me the link.
it fizzled and died. but did you see the war against zeeeland?

I'm guessing this has died, Space Union is to busy with his SD and bombers and Pushka's gone for while, this thing pretty much died...

what else needs to be done here?

I'm guessing this has died, Space Union is to busy with his SD and bombers and Pushka's gone for while, this thing pretty much died...

Its not dead. We are just waiting for the opinion of other members on the new system.

Why, hell, 3/4 of the members probably forgot about us now! And did you kick out McKagan?

Why, hell, 3/4 of the members probably forgot about us now! And did you kick out McKagan?

Well we will also have to develop the next-generation missiles. Put up ideas. I'm almost out of school, so I'll be able to work more on this.

Well we will also have to develop the next-generation missiles. Put up ideas. I'm almost out of school, so I'll be able to work more on this.
Ok, cool, where do you go to school? I was out almost 20 days ago! And you never answered my question. ;)

McKagan godmods, he said his sub could took several supercav torp hits directly in the side and had "minor" damage.

Could someone like Pushka make the specs for the ground-based laser stations/facilities?

Ground based laser is too unreliable, its better if we use a missile type system to shoot down the enemy targets.

In case we do that all we need to do is to divide earth earospace into zones, with a coordinate planes and have sensors that would track an enemy missile as it moves through the coordinate plane, then we just launch a missile to intercept nuke's path, its all about mathematical equations that can be calculated by computers.

Ground based laser is too unreliable, its better if we use a missile type system to shoot down the enemy targets.

In case we do that all we need to do is to divide earth earospace into zones, with a coordinate planes and have sensors that would track an enemy missile as it moves through the coordinate plane, then we just launch a missile to intercept nuke's path, its all about mathematical equations that can be calculated by computers.

We'll need to design a new missile to do that job then? Let's have everyone that want's to submit a design do that, and then we vote on which one to use. We can even have multiple that can be used in different situations.

Sure that seems reasonable.

My more modern computers use fiber optic chipsets and the Taps Tactical N.I. (Niche Intelligence) can do calculations extremely quickly. We can integrate it into your computer systems.

The computer network at my workplace can do those calculations quickly, but sure whatever, thanks for the offer, i have no problems with it.