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OOC: Alright alright, I was going to keep my mouth shut, but after seeing a whole new fad emerge (bitching about I.I roleplay), I feel the need to say something.

The fact of the matter is, I.I roleplay isn't as bad as you think. Everyday there are good RPers putting out good RP whether you see it or not. My beef is this, if some of you think I.I roleplay sucks so bad, why did you wait until now to take action?

And some of the ideas on this 'action' are quite laughable. Want to make roleplay better in I.I? I have the answer, I have the secret! Ready for it? Here it is: Come up with an original idea, and make an RP about it! The way to improve I.I roleplay is to do it by example, NOT by bitching about it. Sure, someone is bound to be copied eventaully. I've been copied to death with my 'evil' RP, my 'genocide' RP, my 'spiritual' RP, and so on. Has that stopped me from jumping over these obsticles and putting out even better stories? No, it hasn't.

If you think RP in I.I is bad now, you should have seen it a year and a half ago. I'd like to think that by sticking it out here, I've at least helped guide the community in the right direction by my EXAMPLE. Some of you need to just come up with your own idea and stick with it. And seriously, who cares if it goes agaisnt the grain of what is 'in' or 'popular'? Back in the day I was committing genocide and torture when it was openly SHUNNED by everyone. Now look at things today.

I just think it's really sad how some of you automatically assume that I.I is filled with nothing but junk. Perhaps if some of you opened your eyes you'd see that RPers like the ones listed here constantly put out exceptional work: Pantera, Sarzonia, The Island of Rose, Praetonia, Schultaria Prime, Bonstock, myself....hell, even Guffingford (just a friendly 'lil jab ;) ). BUT that doesn't mean that there aren't other RPers out there who make good stories either, those were literally examples just off the top of my head. Some of you go around whining about how there is nothing but crap in I.I, yet you casually pass up threads written by those listed above (and more).

The bottom line is this, if you're sick of the RP 'quality' in I.I, you can do one of three things:

1. Move to the NS forum
2. Knuckle up an start putting out good RP
3. Or just leave.

By posting all these threads about how 'I.I 1Z T3H SUKZOR!!111Shift+1', you're only making things worse. You're only going to discourage that new RPer that is trying to make a good story, or you're only going to discourage that excellent RPer that has had his threads passed up one too many times.

Enough is enough already.

w00t! I agree!

Oh, was it my thread that got you so ticked? Sorry, AMF. I was just complaining about everyone who jumps on the Shooban bandwagon. Because frankly, if I see a thread title with the word "shooban" in it one more time...Ugh.

But in general, II is really good. I've had great RPing experiences, mostly with people who aren't the "big names" of NS.

Noob alert!



What is OOC supposed to mean? Is it just an RP thing?

You really didn't think this through did you? No offense, but it's true. As it says in your sig, if you're going to be original, plan on being copied. So if we get people into the habit of JOINING original RPs instead of copying them, they're less likely to do so. And you should ALWAYS make original RPs.

Oh, was it my thread that got you so ticked? Sorry, AMF. I was just complaining about everyone who jumps on the Shooban bandwagon. Because frankly, if I see a thread title with the word "shooban" in it one more time...Ugh.


No no no, it was not a singular thread that set me off, I've seen like 2 or 3 new ones emerge since then.

I know what you mean about fads. I just developed some nuclear weapons a few hours ago, and now about three nations have done it... in just 6 hours! II is pretty good though, not that I've been here long.

I'm glad someone said it. I for one was getting a little off-put by it all. I'm no master craftsman when it comes to storytelling, but I try my best. If that isn't good enough, the civilised thing to do would be to just ignore it, not go off on a demeaning rant about it.

I am working on many RP's, but because of my own, I guess you could say, perfectionist nature, have not posted any yet. I have been debating making my RP Critics thing for a long time now, and did so when I believed it would get good exposure, and appear to be the haven that it is. I totally understand you when you say that there are tons of good RPers out there, I know this. I read quite a few RPs that I am not involved in. Well I have to jet, things to do.

You really didn't think this through did you? No offense, but it's true. As it says in your sig, if you're going to be original, plan on being copied.

And that should not stop you or anyone else. Has it stopped me or anyone else who has had a thread or idea ripped off? No, it hasn't. So using that as an excuse to not put out good and original RP is weak.


So if we get people into the habit of JOINING original RPs instead of copying them, they're less likely to do so. And you should ALWAYS make original RPs.

Agreed, but there's nothing anyone can really do to sto someone from being copied. It's going to happen eventually, but if everyone tries their best to do their own thing we can minimize this problem.

*snickers*

There's RP in II?

-SB, Longtime Active and Upstanding Member and Roleplayer of the NS Forums...lol

I guess I answered my own question. :p

No no no, it was not a singular thread that set me off, I've seen like 2 or 3 new ones emerge since then.
I see. I didn't want to enrage the almighty AMF! Ha...

I just loathe the Shooban nonsense. It was originally a good idea, but its been whored out by everyone and their mother...

Actually those Shooban RPs aren't even legal. They don't have the permission to use them.

Actually those Shooban RPs aren't even legal. They don't have the permission to use them.

Are you suggesting that material on NationStates is copy righted?

By respect of the creator, yes.

By respect of the creator, yes.

Well, neither is it true, nor is it enforceable. Any nation has every right to copy the material of another. There was never a disclaimer saying that threads were copy righted, and thus it isn't 'illegal'.

...It's just annoying.

Which is why people are bitching and complaining.

Well, neither is it true, nor is it enforceable. Any nation has every right to copy the material of another. There was never a disclaimer saying that threads were copy righted, and thus it isn't 'illegal'.

...It's just annoying.


Mac is right Green Sun, there is NOTHING that can be done if someone rips off someone else, unless of course they hold a legal international patent on said material. :rolleyes:

While it may be bad form to blatently rip someone off, it is in no way illegal.

Oh, was it my thread that got you so ticked? Sorry, AMF. I was just complaining about everyone who jumps on the Shooban bandwagon. Because frankly, if I see a thread title with the word "shooban" in it one more time...Ugh.

I've seen you constantly complain about everything on these forums and then suddenly AMF says something and you start apologizing? Wow...

Why am I not on your list of awesome RPers, AMF? (kidding)

I agree with you completely. Enough's enough, set an example if you want change.

Well, Im glad AMF has said this as it seems that when I said it in Green Sun's post I was pretty much looked over :rolleyes:

But anywho, while these threads are great to getting out the disgust every one has whith copying ideas, I am also getting tired of all these bitching and whining threads. They were fine in the beggining when there were just a couple, but now I cannot get onto International Incidents without seeing one of these threads. I know Im baically just reiterating (sp?) what AMF said but it is true. This is getting completely out of hand. Ive been on Nationsates for about two years or so, role playing with about four different nations, but I have never seen so many threads being copied.

So now I am torn, do I give up on the II forums, the forums where I first learned what a good role play looked like by reading the ones done by ViZion, AMF, Pantera, and others, or do I go to the Nationstates forums, where I know no one, and would have to start fromt he beggining. I would like to be able to stay here, but as of now, I just dont see the point of it unless everyone quits making thread after thread of bitching over things that cannot be helped no matter how influential you may think you are.

Thank you.

*This rant brought to you by Nascentian Hills Bottled Water, because no one believes in ranting more than Nascentian Hills Bottled Water. <-(sorry attempt at humor)

*snickers*

There's RP in II?

-SB, Longtime Active and Upstanding Member and Roleplayer of the NS Forums...lol

In reality though...I know what you mean about originality, AMF. How many people have made copy horror RP's in the NS forums over this past year? That was all started by me with the zombies in Realm of the Risen. I don't know though...it's a different atmosphere in NS. Up there, we don't really bitch about it...we just laugh at the imposters.

ALright, so it's not illegal but it IS very disrespectful.

If you guys don't like the Shooban threads, just ignore 'em! No one is making you read them.

If you guys don't like the Shooban threads, just ignore 'em! No one is making you read them.

This goes above and beyond the Shooban threads.

This is about all the trash talk about how RP in I.I. sucks.

This goes above and beyond the Shooban threads.

This is about all the trash talk about how RP in I.I. sucks.

(OOC: I know, I was just commenting on the above remarks regarding the Shooban threads.)

I've seen you constantly complain about everything on these forums and then suddenly AMF says something and you start apologizing? Wow...
I complained twice. Big whoop. And I apologized, because I didn't know my whining was bothering anyone.

If you guys don't like the Shooban threads, just ignore 'em! No one is making you read them.
I wasn't complaining about you making them, RB. I'm just sick of how everyone takes your idea and whores it out. I mean, you and your circle invented Shoobans, so you guys can use 'em all you want. But for everyone to use them...

OK, heres an idea I think everyone, including myself, should follow:

Lets forget about something we can do nothing to prevent and get on with our lives.

Nah. Bitching and complaining is fun! ;)

Alright alright, everyone knows what they need to do, so do it.

You know, Auto, by making this thread, that shows that you're whining about them whining.

Hm. I agree with AMF.

Yeah, but there is good RP out there, and it'll stop people like TFU sitting and bitching about the quality of RP.
I'm not the best, but I try to have fun, and there are people here in II who are immense. They weave amazingly interestignn and detailed stories, that I just love to read.
Peace out all;
remember to keep the game fun

You know, Auto, by making this thread, that shows that you're whining about them whining.

Ah, good old antics. :rolleyes:

By making that comment it shows that you are both immature and not serious about stopping this whole 'I.I sucks' epidemic. And the simple fact that you're willing to spam threads you deem to be 'copycats' (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=414613) shows that you're part of the problem, not the solution.

If this Shooban shit start piling up we'll dogpile them. We'll smolder them until they start coming up with new ideas.

Even though you edited the first post of that thread, I read it before the edit and was quite disgusted by it.

This thread was addressed to people such as yourself who whine about the state I.I is in, then put someone else down when they attempt to solve the problem the right way. Do us all a favor, keep the inane comments to yourself.

1) AMF mentions my name
2) I agree with him!

Scary stuff.

To be fair, I've always been of the opinion that the majority of threads in the International Incidents forum aren't worth bothering with, however I've always acknowledged that there are a good number of people around here who can do interesting RP and because of both the pace and the subject matter, it's just easier in many cases more fun to post here.

This said, I've not made threads about how I feel International Incidents isn't as good as other forums, my opinion is my own and if I really want to improve the environment there are many more ways of going about it then to just bitch about it in a thread which is more likely to be flame bait then useful to anyone around.

Anyways, I'm baised I guess. Most of my allies roleplay in the Nationstates Forums and generally I follow much of the same elitist views they hold, albeit with my own twist in that I actually like it around here from time to time. When I concider Nationstates it's easy to come to the conclusion that it's too long winded and there are just as many fools around there as there are around here, they just do their dumb stuff differently instead of proclaiming to have killed millions of Ku Klux Klan members in their nation (as a bait to another facist nation with the same agenda) you'll see very broken characters who are as godmody as a Steven Segal films, where the character takes all on and wins without a scratch.


As for the Shooban thing? Meh, I've not been around enough recently to notice the fad, but fads are a big thing around here, I should know, I created the "What [nation] thinks of you" threads as a parody to the "What do you think of me" threads. The fact I was too nice about mine made it popular which was eventually copied and then re-copied until everyone was sick of them and the parody was ruined.

The Shooban thing itself is something I just ignored the first time I saw it and never touched since... I mean, it's just a convenient Race to kill on a whim who look like people from Africa and have a retarded IQ level, which somehow didn't die off in nature and because of their idiocy they were 'fun' to hunt, despite the fact you could probably perform the coup de grace with a rock.

But meh, thats just my pet peeve, if people want to do silly things on II (god knows I've done some silly things in the past) then thats their problem, I'll treat it In Character and if they want to be serious we'll have to work around previous transgressions before we get down to business. In most cases, that will never be the case, which isn't a problem for me...


Oh, Automagfreek, nice rant.

I've been working on an original RP concept, which will be quite different from 99% of the I.I. RP stuff that I've seen since I joined up last August.

I'm planning on RP'ing the *full* development of my nation / civilization from Stone Age all the way to FT (Star Trek or Star Wars era). I got this inspiration from playing a game of Civilization III.

I guess what I am saying is that if you're stumped on what to RP, you can gain inspiration from unexpected or unlikely sources. It can be from a game, something from school, a joke between friends, a chat with a family member, a memorable news episode, a TV show, and so on.

Ideas are floating around out there, and you can grab a few, and modify it to your preferences without blatantly rip-off famous stuff like Star Trek, War on Iraq, or rip-offs from video games / TV shows.

My civilization RP won't follow "Build city, generate military units, build improvements" of Civilization III. It'll be different, as I will be RP'ing Epoch's and both civilian and military sides of each Epoch through the eyes of a group or family, and go through several generations per Epoch to simulate cultural and ideology growth.

A good similiarity would be the Stephen Speilberg mini-series "Taken" done by Sci-Fi channel without the aliens stuff. The series go through generations, starting in like 1950 and detailing character growth, having children, then children grow up and have their own children, etc. and finishing in around the year 2000. My RP will be on a much longer timescale, going from roughly 10,000 BC to 5000 AD or beyond.

Anyways, there ya go, my 2 cents. :)

You know, Auto, by making this thread, that shows that you're whining about them whining.And perhaps this thread will help forestall the trend of creating whining threads. :rolleyes:

I also agree with AMF because it seems as though people are so quick to take off on someone else's intellectual property that they'll neglect putting their own original ideas out there in favour of the NS version of keeping up with the Joneses.

Frankly, I'm sick of seeing the I.I. bashing by the NS forum crowd. Not every NS forum person is an amazing RPer and not every I.I. RPer is a n00b. It's not like NS is the major leagues of RPing and I.I. is Class AAA. Some of the NS people need to get optioned to Rochester, while some of the I.I. crowd can write with the best of the best. I'm also tired of seeing all the bitch and moan threads about I.I. or about RP? If you don't like it, do something about it.