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XJ-4 All-Purpose Fighting Platform:ADVICE REQUESTED (Helpers get a 50% discount)

Space Union
24-04-2005, 01:35
NOTE: Currently is in testing phase. I would appreciate it if anyone could help fine-tune the vehicle and make it godmod-proof. Anyone that helps me will get a 50% discount on the vehicle when it goes on sale or 80% off on production rights.


Is your nation tired of buying somemany different types of vehicles and wish for one vehicle that can do the job of 3 vehicles? The answer is the J-4 All-In-One vehicle. It is a Main Battle Tank, Infantry Fighting Vehicle, and Cargo Carrier. Space Union has spent $200 billion on research of this vehicle and has picked the design that is going to enter production. This vehicle will install fear into your oppenant and will destroy or terminate any threat to your forces.

XJ-4 (I know the image is horrible)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/Blackbird-SR-71/XJ-40000.jpg

Armor:
J-4 uses a new advanced armor called ADA (Advanced Destruction Armor). This armor can literally survive attacks from a range of weapons from light arms fire, RPG-7 shells, .50 caliber gun fire, and even shells from guns as big as 120 mm. The ADA is made out of 3 layers. The top layer is made out of heat-resistant material, the second layer is made out of combination of stainless steel, titanium, and kevlar. The third layer is made out of stainless steel, titanium, composite material, and chrome. This makes the armor almost impenetratable by enemy fire.

Beneath the ADA comes the ADA-2 armor. This armor doesn't have the properties of the ADA-1 but is like regular armor. It is 3.24 inches deep and is made from titanium, nano-carbin, thin ceramic layer and a coating of QuietSound. This armor is a strong as the top layer and acts as a shock absorber from rounds. This way the crew nor equipment feels the shock waves from a round hitting the XJ-4.

Beneath this is regular Chromo armor made from Chrome, Titanium, and Composite Material (Carbon Fiber) that surrounds the compartnment in a sphere. This layer is just in case that a shell or missle penetrate the other two armored layers.

Propulsion:

The XJ-4 weighs at 75 tons so the need for a powerful engine was needed. The answer was an engine designated N-4 Nuclear Fission engine designed by Green Sun. This baby is a powerful, yet compact fission engine, that produces tremendous amounts of energy for the XJ-4. It improved the XJ-4's range by a factor of 5 and increased its speed by 10 miles per hour on-road and 4 miles per hour off-road. The N-4 is responsible for making the electricity for the vehicle. Since its a nuclear fission engine it can stay fueled for a year without need to have the uranium taken out. The uranium that it uses is the same used by other nuclear reactors: uranium-235.

Many saftey procedures have been taken. The N-4 for example is located underneath toward the back so that it makes it almost impossible to hit it by missle or shell. Also, if a shell comes toward the area located with the nuclear engine, the IUX automatically shuts the nuclear engine down. To ensure that nuclear radiation doesn't affect the crew, the engine is covered by 3 inches of reinforced lead and steel. Another countermeasure to ensure no nuclear explosion, is that if the nuclear engine goes beyond levels of power that it is not suppose to it is automatically shut down. If the nuclear engine goes below the level of power than it is shut down too. The nuclear engine is this way safe from explosion. In fact, so many safety precautions have been taken the chance of a nuclear explosion is less than 0.2%. To provide even more protection, a new system installed called NIUX monitors the well being of the nuclear engine, any cracks in the foundations, pressure changes, level changes, or other measurments to make desicions. Currently the on-road and off-road speeds have increased:

On-Road: 62 miles per hour
Off-Road: 28 mile per hour

In case of an emergency, the 2 Fuel-Cell engines can be activated to take the tank back to the base for repair. This helps ensure that if any problem occurs in the XJ-4, the crew is not helpless during a war. Also a third fuel-cell will provide the electricity needed to run the entire vehicle (guns, computers, systems, etc..)

Suspension:
The XJ-4 has revolutionary suspension system. The XJ-4 replaces standard tracks with 4 tracked-wheels. These wheels are similar to the Stryker ones but feature knotches in them similar to the ones found in tracks. This allows the wheels to cross terrain and have the same stability and safety as tracked vehicles. The tracked-wheels are also capable of being four-wheel drived or normal two-wheel drived. Another feature is self-inflatable wheels. Commanders can inflate/deflate the tires according to the situation they are in. For example if the XJ-4 is in rocky terrain the tires would be extra inflated to provide a smooth ride while if the it is in the military base the tires could be deflated to save pressure efficiency.

Internal Design:

The XJ-4's crew comparnment is a sphere-like structure with two-levels. The commander sits on the top level with access to the weapons systems, health systems, pressure system, camera system, and safety system. Beneath the commander is the gunner and driver positions. The gunner sits to the right of the driver and has access to the weapons systems, camera systems, and targeting system. Behind the drivers seat is the supercomputer comparnment that houses the computer that takes care of all the systems and manages everything happening in the XJ-4. Behind the sphere structure is the carrier compartnment. This area allows for up to 5 infantry men to be transported along with 2 tons of supplies. If no supplies are present, up to 8 people can sit in the compartnment. If there are no infantrymen present up to 5 tons of supplies can be carried. The infantrymen and supply sections are seperate with the supplies around the Human compartnment. Above the human compartnment is two 7.62 Machine guns that an infantryman can use to fire at enemy targets or the gunner can automatically fire from within his compartnment. The commander sits directly underneath the space between the seperate turrets. This way a malfunction won't indanger the Commander's life. The internal design was made with safety in mind.

Countermeasures:

The XJ-4 has a couple of countermeasures from many things. The XJ-4 features 4 Pods for small-sized SAMS that can take out any threat from the air. It can reach up to 30,000 ft high. Any aircraf that comes in 1 mile range of the XJ-4 is automatically put on the screen of the XJ-4 and classified as a potential threat. But to ensure no friendly fire, the button to shoot the aircraft down must be manually pressed although the Commander can put it on automatic but that increases the chance of destroying a friendly aircraft. The XJ-4 also features a cage around it similar to the one employed by the Stryker vehicle. It helps stop RPG-7 and small arms fire by enemy troops or guerillas. The cage is also solid opposed to the one used by Stryker vehicle.

The XJ-4 has a complicated system of masers. A series of 5 masers covering the vehicle can be directed at incoming object and destroy it. From soldiers to missles, the maser s can combat any threat. The system is automatic because of the need to have quick reactions. If an incoming threat is detected the maser will be fired automatically on the target. But the commander has the option of turning this system off and manually do it though it won't be effective against high speed targets.

The XJ-4 is covered by stealth paint that will absorb or deflact radar beems so that it will have a considerably smaller image although it will still remain big because of the sheer size of the XJ-4. With the combination of the silence of the engine, most soldiers won't even hear the it coming at night. This gives the XJ-4 the element of surprise, one of the most valuable things to have on your side in a war.

The vehicle also features a advanced system called Forget & Fire. This system allows things that had once escaped before from the tank to reappear on the screen and, if the setting is on, allow the XJ-4 to fire automatically at the vehicle. This defeats many ways for the enemy to escape and then hope to surprise attack you.

Other countermeasures include a smoke screen and flare that can be used to escape or cover the XJ-4 from HEAT shells or Heat-seeking missles, missles that fire at targets inside the safety range that are not classified as friendly units, and 6 IMFU rockets that will be fired automatically by the supercomputer to try to intercept incoming missles.


Main Armanents:

This is where the XJ-4 shows its Main Battle Tank skills. The XJ-4 features a turret split in half, with each one having its own 135 mm Electro-Thermal gun. But these guns work differently from other types. At the back of the gun is chamber full of plasma. When the shell is loaded into the gun, two small doors open that release oxygen and hydrogen. The two combine and, along with the plasmas heat, causing a controlled explosion that propelles the shell foward at extreme speed. But the shell also gains more speed because the plasma creates an electric field inside that accelerates the shell even faster. She shell leaves the gun at over Mach 5 speed. At that speed if it hit anything, that things destruction would be immenant. There is no survivor and to top that off you can fire two of these at the same time. This equals mass fear in the enemies eyes and total control by your side.

The turret is split in half and there is a space between the two turrets. Each turret can rotate 180 degrees in their direction. The two guns can't be fired at the same time without risking the posibility of tipping the XJ-4 over. To ensure that the guns wouldn't bump into eachother they have been put at the very edge and a shock absorber material have been added to lessen the recoil to the point that if they are both facing opposite direction and fire at the same time, they won't touch eachother.

Each gun has its own ammo compartnment and its own reloading system. Whenever a shell is fired a hydralic cable is pulled that releases a shell onto the chain that than is transported to the barrel. Currenlty 10 shells per minute are fired although a therotical of 20 is possible.

All shells that regular ETC or Convential guns can fire, can be fired by these guns.

Secondary Armanents:

The XJ-4 also features many other weapons. Here is a list of weapons installed on the XJ-4:

2x 7.62 Machine guns for anti-personal purposes
2x .50 Caliber Guns for use against light armored vehicles or anti-personal purposes
3x TOW F&F (Fire and Forget) Pods (4 TOW missles each) is the primary secondary armanent against tanks and features guidance system that will hit target no matter what (well most of the time, at least).
2x 25mm cannon mounted on top of each turret that is commanded by Commander.
2x Medium-Sized YUD missles pods (4 each) against other enemy targets from tanks to aircrafts.

These weapons ensure that the XJ-4 will put up a tough fight for any Main Battle Tank.

Systems:

XJ-4 features systems that makes it a very lethal weapon in the battlefield. All the systems are operated by the onboard IUX supercomputer.

IUX Supercomputer: Responsible for all the computerized applications of the XJ-4. It controls all the systems and can do all the automatic perimeters set by the commander. IUX features a database full of many weapons from tanks and aircraft to weapons used by soldiers. The IUX is also responsible for creating the 3D graphical simulation of the battlefield area that allows the crew to have a perspective that gives them the edge over the enemy in the battlefield. The supercomputer is located behind the Commander's compartnment.

HarIUS T&T (Track and Target) System: This system allows the XJ-4 to track up to 100 targets simaltaniously. They are given numbers based on their threat with "1" being the deadliest. The vehicles are measured by the standard weapon, location, distance, elevation, and database classification.

TYUU 3D System: This system allows the computer to create a 3D simulation of the battlefield. Using the cameras, satellites, and sensors, the system creates an alloberate 3D simulation of the battlefield that is displayed for the driver, gunner, and commander to use. This gives a perspective the enemy doesn't have at their disposal.

Putun M&T (Move and Track) System: This system is what allows the XJ-4 to fire it gun and move at the same time. It even allows it to fire both guns and all the armanents at the same time if needed. Through the use of calculations based on the force excerted by the recoil on the tank the system can inflate the tires on one side to keep the XJ-4 from flipping. Also it can use the plasma present on the tank to move it to one side further helping the XJ-4 from flipping over.

RAR System: This is the revolutionary radar system incorporated on the tank. Not only does it use radar but also uses sonar beams. This makes it possible to see stealth objects. No one will escape your sight.

UIG System: This system allows the commander, driver, and gunner to see the 3D simulation of the battlefield in visible light but in Infrared, Ultraviolet, and Gamma frequency. This further helps detect object that the normal eye can't see such as a hidden object.

NBC System: The XJ-4 is fully protected from Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical warfare. The system cuts the tank from the environment, and uses the oxygen system to keep the crew healthy along with any cargo or humans present. The ADA-3 armor also has a lead layer that will absorb any radiation, alpha particles, beta particles, or neutrons that pose a threat to the lives of the crew.

MASER System: This a complex system of detection and destruction. A series of 5 masers connected to the supercomputer targets any incoming missles or threats. It is an automatic system most of the time and therefore may attack friendly troops. The Commander has the option of turning this setting off and manually firing the MASERS although it is less effective that way.

NUIX System: This system monitors the nuclear reactor. It measures changes in pressure, level of production in energy, safety conditions, breaches in security, and other factors that truely makes the nuclear engine incredibally safe.

HMC System: This system is the overall health monitorer. It monitors every aspect in the tank to record breaches, malfunctions, weaknesses, and other factors of the XJ-4. It also keeps a record so that maintaince crew can check if anything went wrong.

Economic Benefits:

-The XJ-4 requires far less money to operate than needed to operate a Cargo Carrier, Infantry Fighting Vehicle, and Main Battle Tank comined.
-A whole lot less money is needed to train the crew instead of training the crew of each vehicle. In fact, currently I spend $1 tillion on training the crew of my mechanized fleet and spend $1,036,648 per tank personal. If I had this vehicle replace my other vehicles the funding per personal would be at $3,109,452 with a total amount of funding at $1 trillion! That's more than an increase in 3 times the amount of funding per personal with the same amount of money.
-The XJ-4 is extremely fuel efficient. The nuclear reactors requires small amounts of nuclear uranium-235 that can be bought any storefront that sells nuclear weapons. Also refueling happens probably every 1 year which makes it a very cost-effective machine for your nation!
-The maintaince of the XJ-4 is much easier than other vehicles. The maintaince crew gets a system that keeps tracks of problems that occur in the tank making maintaince cut in half along with the cost needed.

Specifications:

Height: 2.5 meters
Length: 9.5 meters
Width: 4 meters

Fuel Capactity: 200 gallons of water
Range: Unlimited/Unknown (Need help figuring this one out)

Weight: 75 tons

Crew: 3 (Commander, Gunner, and Driver)

Engine: 2 TY-1 Fuel-Cell and Electric Hybrid Engine (4000 hp each and 8000 hp together)

Transmission: Automatic tranmission powered by the electricity although manual transmission can be used if needed.

Speed:

On-Road: 52 miles per hour (mostly use of Fuel-Cell engine)
Off-Road 24 miles per hour (mostly use of electric engine)

Cost: $12 million (Need help figuring out right price)

NOTE: Currently is in testing phase. I would appreciate it if anyone could help fine-tune the vehicle and make it godmod-proof. Anyone that helps me will get a 50% discount on the vehicle when it goes on sale or 80% off on production rights.

The picture I know is horrible but it is the first time using a 3D program to make a vehicle. When this goes in production I will have a better image ready.
Space Union
24-04-2005, 01:44
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Space Union
24-04-2005, 01:58
Comeon help me make this vehicle godmodless. Okay, the first three people who give me advice get 75% off instead of 50%
Space Union
24-04-2005, 02:18
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Space Union
24-04-2005, 02:30
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Pushka
24-04-2005, 02:31
OOC: I am doing this totally OCCly because of the current tension between our nations



Armor:
J-4 uses a new advanced armor called ADA (Advanced Destruction Armor). This armor can literally survive attacks from a range of weapons from light arms fire, RPG-7 shells, .50 caliber gun fire, and even shells from guns as big as 120 mm. The ADA functions entirely different from other armors. When a missle, shell, or arms fire hits the armor because of its property the armor flexs to bounce the shell of of it. It is made out of Pleyim material (constructed from nano-fibers).This material is plastic except it has been developed at nano-scale which makes it ten times tougher than a steel equivelent in weight. So for example: if another MBT fires a round at the armor instead of just hitting the armor the shell makes a depression in the armor and is bounced off. The depression than flatens out to its state before the round.

One problem with that, once a shell has hit this armor it will explode on cotact, it will not wait to bounce off. I personally am not a big fun of all these mumbo jumbo super-pooper nano-technology or similar things, just have a regular armor, made of metal-steel, titanium and kevlar in 3 different layers, with heat resistant materials on the top.

Beneath this layer comes the ADA-2 armor. This armor doesn't have the properties of the ADA-1 but is like regular armor. It is 3.24 inches deep and is made from titanium charged with electricity and plasma. The electricity and plasma create a field around the XJ-4 for about 200 ft that jams the curcuits of an incoming missles. The electric field acts like a microwave field except that it can penetrate objects that high-frequency microwaves can't such as thick metal. The ADA-2 armor works not much as a physical armor but as a safeguard armor.

First of all in order to get plasma you need to have constant heat and pressure applied over an extensive period of time, plus there is no way to generate a field, and if there was then the waves of electricity would pass through your front layer of armor, and since its plastic as you say it would eventually be melted no matter how tought it is. The whole idea of an electric field is bogus. You can however have some kind of micro wave emmiting weapon, which emits not a field but a concentrated microwave. I would edit out and replace the whole second paragraph if i were you.



Beneath this is regular Chromo armor made from Chrome, Titanium, and Composite Material (Carbon Fiber) that surrounds the compartnment in a sphere. This layer is just in case that a shell or missle penetrate the other two armored layers.

Now this sounds about right, although i am sure this is not the most efficient configuration, i'll have to think on that later.

Propulsion:

The XJ-4 is incredibally heavy so it needed a engine that could offer power for speeds that are moderately fast. The engine became the TY-1 Fuel-Celled and Electric Hybrid engine. This engine can provide up to 2000 hp but it was soon realized that the tank could reach speeds of 26 miles per hour on-road. So instead of just one engine, the J-4 features two engines that gives it a speed of 52 mile per hour on road. The engine works as when the vehicle is cruising over 25 miles per hour the tank uses the hydrogen fuel-cell engine while under 25 miles per hour the electric engine is used. When the J-4 starts up it is in electric mode but once it is past 25 miles per hour the J-4 switches to hydrogen engine, which charges the elecric engine once it comes off. Another breakthrough in engine development was when the J-4 is below 25 miles per hour the fuel-cell engine still is running but instead is creating electricity for the electric engine and the crew. This allows the vehicle to keep on moving below 25 miles per hour for an infinate time as long as there is hydrogen fuel for the fuel-cells to use. [quote]

Well, this is fine and all but what i use is an engine on each side for each one of the two sets of tracks. That just makes it run a little bit faster. The hybrid engine is a right way to go however so stick with it, basically this is okay although can be made better.



[quote]The benefits of this engine allows the XJ-4 to stay silent and stealthy while running. Another benefit is that the fuel-cell doesn't run out of fuel for a long time because the water that is produced as a byproduct is used over again in a cycle that makes it possible to stay running for weeks, although at one point water has to be refilled to allow the fuel-cell to run at maximum efficiency.

Why is it silent and stealthy. Please do explain.


Internal Design:

The XJ-4's crew comparnment is a sphere-like structure with two-levels. The commander sits on the top level with access to the weapons systems, health systems, pressure system, camera system, and safety system. Beneath the commander is the gunner and driver positions. The gunner sits to the right of the driver and has access to the weapons systems, camera systems, and targeting system. Behind the drivers seat is the supercomputer comparnment that houses the computer that takes care of all the systems and manages everything happening in the XJ-4. Behind the sphere structure is the carrier compartnment. This area allows for up to 5 infantry men to be transported along with 2 tons of supplies. If no supplies are present, up to 8 people can sit in the compartnment. If there are no infantrymen present up to 5 tons of supplies can be carried. The infantrymen and supply sections are seperate with the supplies around the Human compartnment. Above the human compartnment is two 7.62 Machine guns that an infantryman can use to fire at enemy targets or the gunner can automatically fire from within his compartnment. The commander sits directly underneath the space between the seperate turrets. This way a malfunction won't indanger the Commander's life. The internal design was made with safety in mind.

This is okay i guess

Countermeasures:

The XJ-4 has a couple of countermeasures from many things. The XJ-4 features 4 Pods for small-sized SAMS that can take out any threat from the air. It can reach up to 40,000 ft high. Any aircraf that comes in 1 mile range of the XJ-4 is automatically put on the screen of the XJ-4 and classified as a potential threat. But to ensure no friendly fire, the button to shoot the aircraft down must be manually pressed although the Commander can put it on automatic but that increases the chance of destroying a friendly aircraft. The XJ-4 also features a cage around it similar to the one employed by the Stryker vehicle. It helps stop RPG-7 and small arms fire by enemy troops or guerillas. The cage is also solid opposed to the one used by Stryker vehicle.


So is this a tank or a ground to air rocket launching vehicle? 40000 feet? Seems a bit too high.

One of the most important countermeasures used by the XJ-4 is the electric field. Not only does it fry/jam electronics most of the time (although it won't work always) but any human entering the field are electricuted. The field strength can be adjusted so a human could die or just be injured. But friendly troops could be killed if they enter the field without it being turned off so a safe way is to let the crew come out before going near the vehicle or if the crew gives the signal that the electric field has been turned off.

Impossible to have anything like this. You can have electric current circulating through your armor, but since its plastic the heat would melt the armor plus you will have to put in a shitload of isolation materials between your outter armor and your inner cockpit or you run at risk of electrofying the crew inside the tank. Simply put just don't do this. Instead have something like Shtora-1 or Arena systems to protect against guided missiles, as for the rest just rely on the strength or your armor and your tanks geometrical shape.

The XJ-4 is covered by stealth paint that will absorb or deflact radar beems so that they won't even hear the XJ-4 coming until it is too late. With the combination of the silence of the engine, most soldiers won't even hear the it coming at night. This gives the XJ-4 the element of surprise, one of the most valuable things to have on your side in a war.

Okay now, a tank is a huge ass thing, you can't reduce its signature significantly if you simply cover it with paint. The thing you should do is install a modified ionic cloud generator on it to make it truly stealth. I am gonna be designing something like it pretty soon, if tensions between our nations calm down till then i might even sell you the production rights.

The vehicle also features a advanced system called Forget & Fire. This system allows things that had once escaped before from the tank to reappear on the screen and, if the setting is on, allow the XJ-4 to fire automatically at the vehicle. This defeats many ways for the enemy to escape and then hope to surprise attack you.

So you have automatic fire option for your main gun. I don't see the point of that, sorry.

Other countermeasures include a smoke screen and flare that can be used to escape or cover the XJ-4 from HEAT shells or Heat-seeking missles, missles that fire at targets inside the safety range that are not classified as friendly units, and advanced rockets that will be fired automatically by the supercomputer to try to intercept incoming missles.

What are those advanced rockets how many of them are on the tank and there are they positioned?


Main Armanents:

This is where the XJ-4 shows its Main Battle Tank skills. The XJ-4 features a turret split in half, with each one having its own 135 mm Electro-Thermal gun. But these guns work differently from other types. At the back of the gun is chamber full of plasma. When the shell is loaded into the gun, two small doors open that release oxygen and hydrogen. The two combine and, along with the plasmas heat, causing a controlled explosion that propelles the shell foward at extreme speed. But the shell also gains more speed because the plasma creates an electric field inside that accelerates the shell even faster. She shell leaves the gun at over Mach 5 speed. At that speed if it hit anything, that things destruction would be immenant. There is no survivor and to top that off you can fire two of these at the same time. This equals mass fear in the enemies eyes and total control by your side.

Mach 5 heh? So you have a chamber full of very, very hot plasma in the back of your metal cannon? You do realise that if plasma is always there it will melt through the metal?

The turret is split in half and there is a space between the two turrets. Each turret can rotate 180 degrees in their direction. The two guns can even be fired at the same time leaving mass chaos to erupt in the battlefield. To ensure that the guns wouldn't bump into eachother they have been put at the very edge and a shock absorber material have been added to lessen the recoil to the point that if they are both facing opposite direction and fire at the same time, they won't touch eachother.

How do you reload this king of the jungle?


Secondary Armanents:

3x TOW F&F (Fire and Forget) Pods (4 TOW missles each) is the primary secondary armanent against tanks and features guidance system that will hit target no matter what (well most of the time, at least).

Actually Shtora-1 system will grant a 90% protection from this missile.




IUX Supercomputer: Responsible for all the computerized applications of the XJ-4. It controls all the systems and can do all the automatic perimeters set by the commander. IUX features a database full of many weapons from tanks and aircraft to weapons used by soldiers. The IUX is also responsible for creating the 3D graphical simulation of the battlefield area that allows the crew to have a perspective that gives them the edge over the enemy in the battlefield.

The funny thing about supercomputers is that they take space and overheat, do you have a cooling system or anything like that? And there is thing placed? Also i would use several computers each one with its distinct function, that is more efficient and less space consuming but maybe thats just me.


RAR System: This is the revolutionary radar system incorporated on the tank. Not only does it use radar but also uses sonar beams. This makes it possible to see stealth objects. No one will escape your sight.

Do you know how much interference is gonna be on the battlefeild? Well i do, more then enough to confuse and overload your sonar a thousand times over in first few minutes of engagement.


NBC System: The XJ-4 is fully protected from Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical warfare. The system cuts the tank from the environment, and uses the oxygen system to keep the crew healthy along with any cargo or humans present.

You mean its protected from radiation? How exactly? What protects from Gamma radiation, what about Alpha? How does it generate oxygen? Generating oxygen is a complicated process requiring a bunch of chemicals and a nuclear reactor if possible. The better solution would be for your crew members to keep some plants inside the cockpit.

Well this is my two cents, if you want my further help, ask.
Juumanistra
24-04-2005, 02:49
OOC: Another major problem with this thing is feasibility. You're basically replacing every major armored vehicle in your fleet with an MBT; $12,000,000 for a vehicle dedicated to carrying fuel or food? An M113 or M1108 will clock in at under half-a-million for armored transport and a regular ol' truck costs significantly less still. The fact is that it would be impossible to fully arm an army with these things and have them do all that you want them to do.

The fact is that this...thing is also a horrid substitute for an IFV. It wouldn't be able to follow the infantry it was supposed to fight with to most places given its size. The best IFVs are those that are easiest deployed, after all. This monstrosity requires a heavy-lifter to move it from Point A to Point B and, even then, it can only be destined for places with long runways and substantive logistical infrastructure.

And a note on the twin ETC cannons: there's no way in hell both of them could fire simultaneously and the tank remain upright. The recoil would flip the thing over with ease.
Space Union
24-04-2005, 04:03
OOC: I am doing this totally OCCly because of the current tension between our nations





[QUOTE]One problem with that, once a shell has hit this armor it will explode on cotact, it will not wait to bounce off. I personally am not a big fun of all these mumbo jumbo super-pooper nano-technology or similar things, just have a regular armor, made of metal-steel, titanium and kevlar in 3 different layers, with heat resistant materials on the top.

The armor isn't actually plastic. I made a mistake. But I guess you are right, I think that using just tested regular armor would be more effective and cheaper. I'll change it.



First of all in order to get plasma you need to have constant heat and pressure applied over an extensive period of time, plus there is no way to generate a field, and if there was then the waves of electricity would pass through your front layer of armor, and since its plastic as you say it would eventually be melted no matter how tought it is. The whole idea of an electric field is bogus. You can however have some kind of micro wave emmiting weapon, which emits not a field but a concentrated microwave. I would edit out and replace the whole second paragraph if i were you.



Okay, I'll edit out the electric field and instead install a couple of masers.




Well, this is fine and all but what i use is an engine on each side for each one of the two sets of tracks. That just makes it run a little bit faster. The hybrid engine is a right way to go however so stick with it, basically this is okay although can be made better.

Okay, I'll try that configuration.



Why is it silent and stealthy. Please do explain.


The engine is silent because the engine is covered in a coating of QuietShip. It is a viscoelastic polymer that can be applied to aluminium, stell, and composite material. It decreases noise by 15 decibels.


So is this a tank or a ground to air rocket launching vehicle? 40000 feet? Seems a bit too high.

The vehicle is both. It is a combination of Main Battle Tank, Ground to Air Rocket Launching Vehicle, Infantry Fighting Vehicle, and Cargo carrier. I'll cut the ceiling to 30,000 ft.


Impossible to have anything like this. You can have electric current circulating through your armor, but since its plastic the heat would melt the armor plus you will have to put in a shitload of isolation materials between your outter armor and your inner cockpit or you run at risk of electrofying the crew inside the tank. Simply put just don't do this. Instead have something like Shtora-1 or Arena systems to protect against guided missiles, as for the rest just rely on the strength or your armor and your tanks geometrical shape.


I'll change the system to either Shtora-1 or Arena systems. Which one do you think would be more effective?


Okay now, a tank is a huge ass thing, you can't reduce its signature significantly if you simply cover it with paint. The thing you should do is install a modified ionic cloud generator on it to make it truly stealth. I am gonna be designing something like it pretty soon, if tensions between our nations calm down till then i might even sell you the production rights.

If you develop such as system than I would be interested in buying and adding it to this. I might just scrape this idea until a modified ion cloud generator is created.

So you have automatic fire option for your main gun. I don't see the point of that, sorry.


Automatic fire option would allow the vehicle to shoot at an enemy object before it can surprise the crew. For example: If an enemy tank attacks the XJ-4 and than retreats, the enemy tank could come back and sneak up on the XJ-4 without the crew knowing. This can help stop surprise attacks that could be fatal.

What are those advanced rockets how many of them are on the tank and there are they positioned?

I call the rockets IFMU rockets. They have a guidance system that is in synch with the supercomputer. There are about 6 of these on the tank.


Mach 5 heh? So you have a chamber full of very, very hot plasma in the back of your metal cannon? You do realise that if plasma is always there it will melt through the metal?

The plasma comes 1 minute before the shell is fired. It is full of plasma only for 1 minute at tops. Also the chamber is surrounded by composite material, but has to be replaced every 3 years.

How do you reload this king of the jungle?

The XJ-4 is reloaded by using a chain that is connected to the ammo compartnment. After firing, a hydralic cable is pulled that releases a shell onto the chain that than is transported to the barrel. Currenlty 10 shells per minute are fired although a therotical of 20 is possible.


Actually Shtora-1 system will grant a 90% protection from this missile.



What should I use instead of TOW missles?



The funny thing about supercomputers is that they take space and overheat, do you have a cooling system or anything like that? And there is thing placed? Also i would use several computers each one with its distinct function, that is more efficient and less space consuming but maybe thats just me.

I have a special compartnment behind the commander that houses the supercomputer. The supercomputer is actually more compact than current ones. But the compartnment is cooled by oxygen created by the fuel-cell


Do you know how much interference is gonna be on the battlefeild? Well i do, more then enough to confuse and overload your sonar a thousand times over in first few minutes of engagement.


So should I get rid of the sonar or change its frequency higher?


You mean its protected from radiation? How exactly? What protects from Gamma radiation, what about Alpha? How does it generate oxygen? Generating oxygen is a complicated process requiring a bunch of chemicals and a nuclear reactor if possible. The better solution would be for your crew members to keep some plants inside the cockpit.

The inner compartnment is covered by a layer of lead. This effectivly absorbs any radiation, alpha particles, neutrons, or beta particles. The Oxygen is created by electrolysis. There is a seperate fuel-cell in the back of the XJ-4 that creates the oxygen.


Thanks for your comments. You'll get a 75% discount if you purchase the XJ-4 (J-4 later on).
Space Union
24-04-2005, 04:05
OOC: Another major problem with this thing is feasibility. You're basically replacing every major armored vehicle in your fleet with an MBT; $12,000,000 for a vehicle dedicated to carrying fuel or food? An M113 or M1108 will clock in at under half-a-million for armored transport and a regular ol' truck costs significantly less still. The fact is that it would be impossible to fully arm an army with these things and have them do all that you want them to do.

The fact is that this...thing is also a horrid substitute for an IFV. It wouldn't be able to follow the infantry it was supposed to fight with to most places given its size. The best IFVs are those that are easiest deployed, after all. This monstrosity requires a heavy-lifter to move it from Point A to Point B and, even then, it can only be destined for places with long runways and substantive logistical infrastructure.

And a note on the twin ETC cannons: there's no way in hell both of them could fire simultaneously and the tank remain upright. The recoil would flip the thing over with ease.

That is a problem. I might just reconsider scrapping the idea about replacing Infantry Fighting Vehicles although this will still carry 8 men.

I'll change the post so that the ETC guns can fire at the same time.

Thanks for the comments. If you purchase the J-4 you will get a 75% discount.
TimeGods
24-04-2005, 04:19
uhhh, a Fuel Cell uses Oxygen and Hydrogen and generates Electricity from the energy produced by binding the two to yield Water. In order to reuse this Water in the Fuel Cell, you would have to Electrolyze it, which according to the Second law of Thermodynamics, would require more energy then could be gained by running the Oxygen and Hydrogen through the Fuel Cell. I.E. it is not a perpetual motion machine, it is not a better then perpetual motion machine, and your vehicle would require huge amounts of Oxygen and Hydrogen.
Space Union
24-04-2005, 04:42
uhhh, a Fuel Cell uses Oxygen and Hydrogen and generates Electricity from the energy produced by binding the two to yield Water. In order to reuse this Water in the Fuel Cell, you would have to Electrolyze it, which according to the Second law of Thermodynamics, would require more energy then could be gained by running the Oxygen and Hydrogen through the Fuel Cell. I.E. it is not a perpetual motion machine, it is not a better then perpetual motion machine, and your vehicle would require huge amounts of Oxygen and Hydrogen.

Modern Fuel-Cells take water and start the process by electrolyzing the water. It uses the water to create hydrogen and oxygen which would then combine and create the energy needed to conduct further electrolyzis.
TimeGods
24-04-2005, 04:51
So you can ignore the laws of phyisics, ehh? Well go ahead, just remember it would be fantasy, not Modern as you have stated. Why do you think that nuclear subs are more prevelant then a fuel cell powered sub? Because we don't have fuel cells and we can't electrolyze water? Well, not that i can alter your mind, so go ahead with it if you like, just market it as fantasy tech.
Space Union
24-04-2005, 04:53
So you can ignore the laws of phyisics, ehh? Well go ahead, just remember it would be fantasy, not Modern as you have stated. Why do you think that nuclear subs are more prevelant then a fuel cell powered sub? Because we don't have fuel cells and we can't electrolyze water? Well, not that i can alter your mind, so go ahead with it if you like, just market it as fantasy tech.

I'll read your post over in the morning. I'm tired so my mind currently can't put the power to understand everything. I'll try to address this issue. Thanks for explaining though.

If you buy this vehicle you will get a 75% off.
Space Union
24-04-2005, 05:02
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Space Union
24-04-2005, 15:22
uhhh, a Fuel Cell uses Oxygen and Hydrogen and generates Electricity from the energy produced by binding the two to yield Water. In order to reuse this Water in the Fuel Cell, you would have to Electrolyze it, which according to the Second law of Thermodynamics, would require more energy then could be gained by running the Oxygen and Hydrogen through the Fuel Cell. I.E. it is not a perpetual motion machine, it is not a better then perpetual motion machine, and your vehicle would require huge amounts of Oxygen and Hydrogen.

Okay, know I understand. But heres how it works:

1. Water is inserted into the XJ-4
2. Water is electrolyzed forming hydrogen and oxygen.
3. Hydrogen and Oxygen combine to form water and electricity.
4. Repeat step 1.

That theory is correct but it states that would apply if I had started with only oxygen and hydrogen.
Green Sun
24-04-2005, 15:45
This seems to be a rather large vehicle. Green Sun has a tank that goes 10-15 mph that's absolutely huge, but it's also nuclear-powered. However, Green Sun offers the engine we use in our Collosus tank, which allows our behemoth to travel quicker than with normal engines. We also suggest finding a different source of energy, since fuel cells just don't seem feasable here. Also, Plasma is hard to contain, so it would be better if you replaced it with a regular cannon. We can also offer you lasers.
Space Union
24-04-2005, 15:49
This seems to be a rather large vehicle. Green Sun has a tank that goes 10-15 mph that's absolutely huge, but it's also nuclear-powered. However, Green Sun offers the engine we use in our Collosus tank, which allows our behemoth to travel quicker than with normal engines. We also suggest finding a different source of energy, since fuel cells just don't seem feasable here. Also, Plasma is hard to contain, so it would be better if you replaced it with a regular cannon. We can also offer you lasers.

I thank you for your offer. I will pay you however much your request for production rights on the nuclear engine. I will have to find something else than plasma than because I also use it to balance my vehicle from tipping over when firing. I'm fine with lasers.

Thank You. You will receive a 50% discount if you buy this vehicle.
Green Sun
24-04-2005, 15:56
There's just two problems: This would be the first time Green Sun has EVER sold its laser designs, and we're touchy about them. So we'll sell the rights and designs to the lasers to you and you only for either increasing the discount to 52% or a half-mil. And the lasers themselves can get hot, so it's suggested that in Temperate climates you fire them only once every thirty seconds, and only that for two minutes because they get hot really easily if you don't have a coolant system.

Also, we've got an experimental small micro fusion nuclear reactor that we'll put on the global market soon enough. Anyway, the GS 201 Main Battle Tank Engine designs are being sent, free of charge.
Union of Russia
24-04-2005, 15:56
I believe that the range should be around 240-310 km due to the fact its main power supply is water (if I understood correctly) and it is not as efficient as Fossil Fuel. But if it is lightweight and aerodynamic you could increase the range.
Space Union
24-04-2005, 16:06
There's just two problems: This would be the first time Green Sun has EVER sold its laser designs, and we're touchy about them. So we'll sell the rights and designs to the lasers to you and you only for either increasing the discount to 52% or a half-mil. And the lasers themselves can get hot, so it's suggested that in Temperate climates you fire them only once every thirty seconds, and only that for two minutes because they get hot really easily if you don't have a coolant system.

Also, we've got an experimental small micro fusion nuclear reactor that we'll put on the global market soon enough. Anyway, the GS 201 Main Battle Tank Engine designs are being sent, free of charge.

We will give you a discout of 60% for the rights and design for the lasers.

Thank you for the designs for the engine. We will pay you $40 billion anyways. And when do you expect this nuclear fusion engine ready? What is the range for the nuclear fission engine do you think?
Space Union
24-04-2005, 16:07
I believe that the range should be around 240-310 km due to the fact its main power supply is water (if I understood correctly) and it is not as efficient as Fossil Fuel. But if it is lightweight and aerodynamic you could increase the range.

Thank you but I'm replacing the Fuel-Cell with nuclear reactor. What do you think the range would be for that?

Thank you for replying and in exchange you will get a 50% discount when it goes into production.
Space Union
24-04-2005, 16:35
bump need more suggestions!
Space Union
24-04-2005, 16:50
bump
Space Union
24-04-2005, 17:16
bump, I'm going to make this go on sale tommorrow, so make suggestions now!
Space Union
24-04-2005, 19:32
bump
Green Sun
24-04-2005, 20:45
We will give you a discout of 60% for the rights and design for the lasers.

Thank you for the designs for the engine. We will pay you $40 billion anyways. And when do you expect this nuclear fusion engine ready? What is the range for the nuclear fission engine do you think?
If properly controlled, it could probably go for a long time. It's not the motor (Which what you paid me the $4 bil for) but the energy for it. Gotta hook it up, but the motor itself can go on anything, which is why Green Sun engines are so unique, they don't require a certain type of fuel.
Space Union
24-04-2005, 20:49
If properly controlled, it could probably go for a long time. It's not the motor (Which what you paid me the $4 bil for) but the energy for it. Gotta hook it up, but the motor itself can go on anything, which is why Green Sun engines are so unique, they don't require a certain type of fuel.

Okay now I understand. I'll just connect the Nuclear engine to an electric engine.
Space Union
24-04-2005, 21:16
bump
Space Union
24-04-2005, 21:40
bump bump bump
Green Sun
24-04-2005, 21:47
Okay now I understand. I'll just connect the Nuclear engine to an electric engine.
It's not an engine, it's more of a generator. Our generators are small enough you can basicly attatch it to the engine itself. Think of it as an engine that you can have different types of gas running it, like a car that is able to use both gasoline and diesel only on a much larger scale. An engine only needs energy, it doesn't really care what type of energy you put into it.
Space Union
24-04-2005, 22:04
It's not an engine, it's more of a generator. Our generators are small enough you can basicly attatch it to the engine itself. Think of it as an engine that you can have different types of gas running it, like a car that is able to use both gasoline and diesel only on a much larger scale. An engine only needs energy, it doesn't really care what type of energy you put into it.

So basically I can just attach this nuclear generator to the electric engine. That makes it much more convienant.
Pushka
24-04-2005, 23:48
Few more things to say

The engine is silent because the engine is covered in a coating of QuietShip. It is a viscoelastic polymer that can be applied to aluminium, stell, and composite material. It decreases noise by 15 decibels.

Okay that works


[/quote]I'll change the system to either Shtora-1 or Arena systems. Which one do you think would be more effective?[/quote]

Use a combination of both, like T-90.


Automatic fire option would allow the vehicle to shoot at an enemy object before it can surprise the crew. For example: If an enemy tank attacks the XJ-4 and than retreats, the enemy tank could come back and sneak up on the XJ-4 without the crew knowing. This can help stop surprise attacks that could be fatal.

Well a radar would probably spot an enemy tank aproaching from behind, also how will you svoid freindly fire with this?


The plasma comes 1 minute before the shell is fired. It is full of plasma only for 1 minute at tops. Also the chamber is surrounded by composite material, but has to be replaced every 3 years.

That seems okay i guess. How do you get plasma? And even if it comes in only for a minute it will heat up the cannon and expand it, after the coolant is applied your cannon will rapidly shrink that might create cracks and bumps and so on inside your cannon after a while. Three years i think should be good.



The XJ-4 is reloaded by using a chain that is connected to the ammo compartnment. After firing, a hydralic cable is pulled that releases a shell onto the chain that than is transported to the barrel. Currenlty 10 shells per minute are fired although a therotical of 20 is possible.

You say that you get plasma into the cannon for a minute, do you somehow use the energy created by cooling the same plasma more then a single time?


What should I use instead of TOW missles?

I don't really know, stick with your TOW, just also have some heat seeking missiles in case the enemy has Shtora-1.


I have a special compartnment behind the commander that houses the supercomputer. The supercomputer is actually more compact than current ones. But the compartnment is cooled by oxygen created by the fuel-cell

Sounds good to me

So should I get rid of the sonar or change its frequency higher?

Get rid of the sonar, not only there will be too much interference but also sound takes more time to travel through air then through water, this makes a sonar simply to inefficient.
Pushka
24-04-2005, 23:53
Thank you but I'm replacing the Fuel-Cell with nuclear reactor. What do you think the range would be for that?

Thank you for replying and in exchange you will get a 50% discount when it goes into production.

Nuclear reactor? Are you mad? It is simply impossible to stick a nuclear reactor on a tank. Its simply too big, you gonna need to have a magnetic field inside the tank to contain the nuclear energy, and that might screw up your supercomputer,radar and other things, plus if you get hit and there is a leak your crew is dead, also building a nuclear reactor is very, VERY expensive. Your tank will have to be about half size of a Moscow appartment building. This simply can not be done. Also you gonna have to have a nuclear engineer in every tank, and unless you wanna have just few of this, thats not gonna be very possible. It takes dousens of people to operate a nuclear reactor.
Space Union
25-04-2005, 00:09
Nuclear reactor? Are you mad? It is simply impossible to stick a nuclear reactor on a tank. Its simply too big, you gonna need to have a magnetic field inside the tank to contain the nuclear energy, and that might screw up your supercomputer,radar and other things, plus if you get hit and there is a leak your crew is dead, also building a nuclear reactor is very, VERY expensive. Your tank will have to be about half size of a Moscow appartment building. This simply can not be done. Also you gonna have to have a nuclear engineer in every tank, and unless you wanna have just few of this, thats not gonna be very possible. It takes dousens of people to operate a nuclear reactor.

What engine do you suggest I use? I wanted to use fuel-cell than someone told me that wouldn't work, then someone told me to use nuclear generator, but now I see that really is a future tech not a modern tech. What engine do you suggest I use then?
Pushka
25-04-2005, 00:37
Use diesel-hybrid like you intially planned.
Space Union
25-04-2005, 00:41
Use diesel-hybrid like you intially planned.

Thanks for all the advice. For the amount of advice you gave me, I'm going to give you a discount of 90% if you buy the vehicle.
Space Union
25-04-2005, 01:37
bump
Space Union
25-04-2005, 02:25
bump tommorrow this vehicle goes on sale so please respond and comment on any godmods in the vehicle that hasn't been detected already.
Space Union
25-04-2005, 02:45
bump
Space Union
25-04-2005, 03:10
bump
Union of Russia
25-04-2005, 03:20
Quote:
Automatic fire option would allow the vehicle to shoot at an enemy object before it can surprise the crew. For example: If an enemy tank attacks the XJ-4 and than retreats, the enemy tank could come back and sneak up on the XJ-4 without the crew knowing. This can help stop surprise attacks that could be fatal.



Well a radar would probably spot an enemy tank aproaching from behind, also how will you svoid freindly fire with this?

Well maybe if the radar used individual signatures for allied forces and enemy forces. Then you program the turret to only fire at those specific enemy signatures.
Space Union
25-04-2005, 03:23
Well maybe if the radar used individual signatures for allied forces and enemy forces. Then you program the turret to only fire at those specific enemy signatures.

I could add a system that would allow the computer to different between enemy and foe. Thanks for the idea.

You will be given a 75% discount since you also had helped before.
Pushka
25-04-2005, 20:01
I didn't notice, did you include Shtora-1 and Arena systems?
Space Union
25-04-2005, 20:39
I didn't notice, did you include Shtora-1 and Arena systems?

Yeah, I'm going to include them. That write isn't up to date so when I post the thread today that write will include those systems.