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Space Union is currently reshifting is priorities and is now adding variety to its forces. So the government of the Federal Republic of Space Union would like to ask for a MBT that follows these guidelines:

-Advanced Avionics
-ETC gun or Hybrid Gun
-Powerful MBT
-Moderatly Fast
-Anti-Aircraft Weapons
-Two main guns prefered if possible but will take a MBT that performs outstandingly in the other areas.
-Any Price.
-Able to cross Trenches.
-Able to conduct Urban Warfare.
Please post your MBT and we may do business with you.

Thank You

From:

President Harsimran Mann

Panzerkampfwaggen XI BredtSverd

http://img233.exs.cx/img233/1993/tank27mg.jpg

Armor:
Due to the overriding cost of the Muwatallis' 'buckyball composite' armor, and because this cost is what caused the shortages of armor in the Macabee armed forces it was decided that a much cheaper, yet still completely modern, armor was needed, and although it would still be expensive relative to other tanks it would be considerably cheaper than the billion dollar buckyballs. Consequently, the armor would be a heavy conglameration of Russian/Soviet technology, Israeli technology, and American technology. The overriding armored layer is one of Kontackt-5 ERA, which is said to give an RHA value of 600mms against HEAT and 250mm against APFSDS with an armored mass of three tons. So, there's actually two layers of Kontackt-5 ERA bricks merged as one, giving the armor a weight of a total of about ten tons. The second layer is composed of eighteen millimeters of Modular Expandable Armor System (MEXAS),which equates to around three thousand millimeters of RHA armored value. The final layer is made of a Chobham Composite armor, who's exact materials remain secret, although it's rumored by a few of the engineers that it has mixed layers/fibers of plastic, ceramics, titanium boride, depleted uranium, et cetera. Finally, on top of the Kontackt-5 ERA armor the Pz. XI also uses the newly designed 'electric amor'. The new electric armour is made up of a highly-charged capacitor that is connected to two separate metal plates on the tank's exterior. The outer plate, which is bullet-proof and made from an unspecified alloy, is earthed while the insulated inner plate is live. The electric armour runs off the tank's own power supply. When the tank commander feels he is in a dangerous area, he simply switches on the current to the inner plate. When the warhead fires its jet of molten copper, it penetrates both the outer plate and the insulation of the inner plate. This makes a connection and thousands of amps of electricity vaporises most of the molten copper. The rest of the copper is dispersed harmlessly against the vehicle's hull. But despite the high charge, the electrical load on the battery is no more than that caused by starting the engine on a cold morning.

Fire and Control System:
http://www.gdcanada.com/company_info/images/chart.jpg
The new fire and control system present on the Pz. XI, dubbed 'Brass', is the new top notch of said systems, developed by General Dynamics (Canada) and expanded upon by Macabee engineers. It includes Multi-Role Sensor Suite, Multi-Sensor Integration, Integrated Sensor/TA Suite, Virtual Immersive, Environment (AVTB)\, Neuroholographic ATD/R, Immersive Visualization. Moreover, the new system has both a low altitude RADAR and LIDAR system which has capabilities of tracking and giving firing solutions for up to twenty different targets at up to four thousand meters for the LIDAR and up to eleven thousand meters for the RADAR (although, of course, a gun doesn't necessarily have the power nor the type of shell to reach that far, and of course, that doesn't mean that the area between you and the enemy tank if full of large rocks that can disrupt your shell and its vector). The LIDAR uses a gaussian transmitter, which is right now the most advanced LIDAR transmitter developed by the United States. Of course, this fire and control system also uses thermal imaging, and of course, infra-red imaging.

Main Gun:
The Panzer XI uses a 120mm ETC cannon. Although there were proponents of following suit with other nations and putting up to 200mm ETC cannons it was finally decided that such a decision would be unintelligent as it would mean, most importantly, that the turret would rotate slower and rate of fire would be much slower (concerning turning the turret, actually firing, and loading the shells). To make the turret turn quicker the turret and the chassis are divided in two by a central gyro circular sheet of composite metals, using McPhearson strut like bars, interwoven in springs (much like the shocks on your cars) and then smaller gyrating bars, to make the movement hydraulic, consequently, making it much faster. As do other Macabee tanks there are also small "R rings" inside the barrel which are springs measuring nanometers in size which reduce the kickback post-firing as well as muzzle flash.

http://img233.exs.cx/img233/9163/kbm2l1tu.jpg

Other Systems:
The Shortstop Electronic Protection System (SEPS) is an RF Proximity Fuze counter measure. The Shortstop battlefield electronic countermeasures system is capable of prematurely detonating incoming artillery and mortar rounds. It counters the threat of RF Proximity Fuzed munitions by causing them to prefunction, to protect friendly ground troops, vehicles, structures, and other equipment under fire. The SHORTSTOP system was originally produced as a Quick Reaction Capability (QRC) product in support of Desert Storm. A request for information (RFI) was received from ARCENT addressing available countermeasures for indirect fire munitions utilizing proximity fuzes; such as those found in artillery, mortar, and rocket munitions. Whittaker Corp. in Simi Valley, CA built the system for PEO-IEW during the Gulf War in response to the artillery threat posed by the Iraqis, but the war ended before Shortstop could be deployed. The system could reduce casualties to ground troops by as much as 50 percent during the initial stages of an enemy attack. These prototype systems were subjected to a minimal amount of environmental testing in preparation for deployment. After Desert Storm, the system was subjected to extensive live fire testing in the desert at Yuma Proving Grounds and evaluated by the TRADOC Analysis Command (TRAC) and the Dismounted Battlespace Battle Lab. The SHORTSTOP, AN/VLQ -9 or -10, systems demonstrated, in testing, the ability to significantly enhance survivability of troops and high value assets from indirect fire, proximity fuzed munitions. Reports of more than 5,000 live artillery and mortar round firings against Shortstop in tests at Yuma Proving Ground, Ariz., indicate that the system is 100 percent effective against selected weapons. The test rounds were fired singly and in barrages, with none reaching their intended target, test officials reported. The prototypes were deployed for a limited period of time in Bosnia and were returned to contingency stock in 1997. To meet urgent operational requirements for deployed forces, the 3rd Army Commander on 11 Feb 98 requested 12 Shortstop Electronic Countermeasure Systems. These systems were readily available as a near term loan that only required funding to train operators and purchase some fielding and maintenance related items. HQDA approved the release for immediate deployment, requesting AMC execute the action that was subsequently completed by CECOM's Project Manager for Firefinder. The QRO supported delivery and fielding of these systems by coordinating the necessary arrangements for deployment of a two-man New Equipment Training Team (NETT) from CECOM. The NETT departed on 25 Feb 1998 with the equipment (acting as couriers) on a C-5 Cargo flight out of Dover AFB. The SHORTSTOP system training, checkout and positioning was completed by the CECOM NETT 20 March 1998. Packaged in a suitcase-size case and fitted with a small multi-directional antenna, the Shortstop system can be activated and operational within seconds. Shortstop's passive electronics and operational features make it impervious to detection by enemy signal-intelligence sensors. In the near future, Shortstop will shrink in size, down to 25 pounds. Whittaker is currently under contract to build three new, smaller versions: manpack and vehicle units, as well as a stand-alone unit.

FCLAS is comprised of a sensor and short range grenade launcher, loaded with special fragmentation grenades with delay fuses set to intercept the incoming threat at a range of approx. 5 meters from the protected vehicle. The actual initiation of the explosive charge is triggered by a side looking RF proximity fuse which senses the incoming projectile as it passes nearby. The explosion forms a vertical, doughnut shaped fragmentation effect that kills the passing threat but does not effect the protected vehicle. The system's target weight is 140 kg., to enable deployment on light vehicles. Each grenade is equipped with a forward looking radar mounted on the exposed tip of the grenade. Each of the FCLAS munitions has such an integrated radar, which forms a complete sensor, monitoring a protective hemisphere around and above the vehicle. The Army hopes to get a prototype system of FCLAS for testing in 2004 and an operational system, which could protect against RPG threats, deployed with Bradley, Stryker and Humvee

The Panzer XI also has a small CIWS system resembling a smaller Phalanx, however, using a seperate gaussian transmitter with a range of about two hundred meters to track incoming anti-tank guided and unguided missiles. The CIWS, or ACIWS, is automated and has a three hundred and sixty rotational view.

Engine:
The Panzer XI uses a 1,800 horsepower diesel engine which gives the Panzer XI a maximum on road velocity of forty kilometers per hour, which is really all that is needed for a tank the size of a Panzer XI.

Crew: 4 (Commander, Gunner, Loader, Auxilary Machine Gunner/Driver)
Weight: 80.4 Tons

Cost:8 Million USD
Production Rights: Not available


[Differences from the last tank are the 'buckyball composite' armor, the hydrogen fuel cell tank engine, I took off the anti-mine laser system because I can just use the old fashion scorpion which costs infinitely less mulah, and I took off the DREAD and just decided to go with a Phalanx type system.]

Pic of the Track:
http://img233.exs.cx/img233/949/wc18cc.jpg

Panzerkampfwaggen XI BredtSverd

http://img233.exs.cx/img233/1993/tank27mg.jpg

Armor:
Due to the overriding cost of the Muwatallis' 'buckyball composite' armor, and because this cost is what caused the shortages of armor in the Macabee armed forces it was decided that a much cheaper, yet still completely modern, armor was needed, and although it would still be expensive relative to other tanks it would be considerably cheaper than the billion dollar buckyballs. Consequently, the armor would be a heavy conglameration of Russian/Soviet technology, Israeli technology, and American technology. The overriding armored layer is one of Kontackt-5 ERA, which is said to give an RHA value of 600mms against HEAT and 250mm against APFSDS with an armored mass of three tons. So, there's actually two layers of Kontackt-5 ERA bricks merged as one, giving the armor a weight of a total of about ten tons. The second layer is composed of eighteen millimeters of Modular Expandable Armor System (MEXAS),which equates to around three thousand millimeters of RHA armored value. The final layer is made of a Chobham Composite armor, who's exact materials remain secret, although it's rumored by a few of the engineers that it has mixed layers/fibers of plastic, ceramics, titanium boride, depleted uranium, et cetera. Finally, on top of the Kontackt-5 ERA armor the Pz. XI also uses the newly designed 'electric amor'. The new electric armour is made up of a highly-charged capacitor that is connected to two separate metal plates on the tank's exterior. The outer plate, which is bullet-proof and made from an unspecified alloy, is earthed while the insulated inner plate is live. The electric armour runs off the tank's own power supply. When the tank commander feels he is in a dangerous area, he simply switches on the current to the inner plate. When the warhead fires its jet of molten copper, it penetrates both the outer plate and the insulation of the inner plate. This makes a connection and thousands of amps of electricity vaporises most of the molten copper. The rest of the copper is dispersed harmlessly against the vehicle's hull. But despite the high charge, the electrical load on the battery is no more than that caused by starting the engine on a cold morning.

Fire and Control System:
http://www.gdcanada.com/company_info/images/chart.jpg
The new fire and control system present on the Pz. XI, dubbed 'Brass', is the new top notch of said systems, developed by General Dynamics (Canada) and expanded upon by Macabee engineers. It includes Multi-Role Sensor Suite, Multi-Sensor Integration, Integrated Sensor/TA Suite, Virtual Immersive, Environment (AVTB)\, Neuroholographic ATD/R, Immersive Visualization. Moreover, the new system has both a low altitude RADAR and LIDAR system which has capabilities of tracking and giving firing solutions for up to twenty different targets at up to four thousand meters for the LIDAR and up to eleven thousand meters for the RADAR (although, of course, a gun doesn't necessarily have the power nor the type of shell to reach that far, and of course, that doesn't mean that the area between you and the enemy tank if full of large rocks that can disrupt your shell and its vector). The LIDAR uses a gaussian transmitter, which is right now the most advanced LIDAR transmitter developed by the United States. Of course, this fire and control system also uses thermal imaging, and of course, infra-red imaging.

Main Gun:
The Panzer XI uses a 120mm ETC cannon. Although there were proponents of following suit with other nations and putting up to 200mm ETC cannons it was finally decided that such a decision would be unintelligent as it would mean, most importantly, that the turret would rotate slower and rate of fire would be much slower (concerning turning the turret, actually firing, and loading the shells). To make the turret turn quicker the turret and the chassis are divided in two by a central gyro circular sheet of composite metals, using McPhearson strut like bars, interwoven in springs (much like the shocks on your cars) and then smaller gyrating bars, to make the movement hydraulic, consequently, making it much faster. As do other Macabee tanks there are also small "R rings" inside the barrel which are springs measuring nanometers in size which reduce the kickback post-firing as well as muzzle flash.

http://img233.exs.cx/img233/9163/kbm2l1tu.jpg

Other Systems:
The Shortstop Electronic Protection System (SEPS) is an RF Proximity Fuze counter measure. The Shortstop battlefield electronic countermeasures system is capable of prematurely detonating incoming artillery and mortar rounds. It counters the threat of RF Proximity Fuzed munitions by causing them to prefunction, to protect friendly ground troops, vehicles, structures, and other equipment under fire. The SHORTSTOP system was originally produced as a Quick Reaction Capability (QRC) product in support of Desert Storm. A request for information (RFI) was received from ARCENT addressing available countermeasures for indirect fire munitions utilizing proximity fuzes; such as those found in artillery, mortar, and rocket munitions. Whittaker Corp. in Simi Valley, CA built the system for PEO-IEW during the Gulf War in response to the artillery threat posed by the Iraqis, but the war ended before Shortstop could be deployed. The system could reduce casualties to ground troops by as much as 50 percent during the initial stages of an enemy attack. These prototype systems were subjected to a minimal amount of environmental testing in preparation for deployment. After Desert Storm, the system was subjected to extensive live fire testing in the desert at Yuma Proving Grounds and evaluated by the TRADOC Analysis Command (TRAC) and the Dismounted Battlespace Battle Lab. The SHORTSTOP, AN/VLQ -9 or -10, systems demonstrated, in testing, the ability to significantly enhance survivability of troops and high value assets from indirect fire, proximity fuzed munitions. Reports of more than 5,000 live artillery and mortar round firings against Shortstop in tests at Yuma Proving Ground, Ariz., indicate that the system is 100 percent effective against selected weapons. The test rounds were fired singly and in barrages, with none reaching their intended target, test officials reported. The prototypes were deployed for a limited period of time in Bosnia and were returned to contingency stock in 1997. To meet urgent operational requirements for deployed forces, the 3rd Army Commander on 11 Feb 98 requested 12 Shortstop Electronic Countermeasure Systems. These systems were readily available as a near term loan that only required funding to train operators and purchase some fielding and maintenance related items. HQDA approved the release for immediate deployment, requesting AMC execute the action that was subsequently completed by CECOM's Project Manager for Firefinder. The QRO supported delivery and fielding of these systems by coordinating the necessary arrangements for deployment of a two-man New Equipment Training Team (NETT) from CECOM. The NETT departed on 25 Feb 1998 with the equipment (acting as couriers) on a C-5 Cargo flight out of Dover AFB. The SHORTSTOP system training, checkout and positioning was completed by the CECOM NETT 20 March 1998. Packaged in a suitcase-size case and fitted with a small multi-directional antenna, the Shortstop system can be activated and operational within seconds. Shortstop's passive electronics and operational features make it impervious to detection by enemy signal-intelligence sensors. In the near future, Shortstop will shrink in size, down to 25 pounds. Whittaker is currently under contract to build three new, smaller versions: manpack and vehicle units, as well as a stand-alone unit.

FCLAS is comprised of a sensor and short range grenade launcher, loaded with special fragmentation grenades with delay fuses set to intercept the incoming threat at a range of approx. 5 meters from the protected vehicle. The actual initiation of the explosive charge is triggered by a side looking RF proximity fuse which senses the incoming projectile as it passes nearby. The explosion forms a vertical, doughnut shaped fragmentation effect that kills the passing threat but does not effect the protected vehicle. The system's target weight is 140 kg., to enable deployment on light vehicles. Each grenade is equipped with a forward looking radar mounted on the exposed tip of the grenade. Each of the FCLAS munitions has such an integrated radar, which forms a complete sensor, monitoring a protective hemisphere around and above the vehicle. The Army hopes to get a prototype system of FCLAS for testing in 2004 and an operational system, which could protect against RPG threats, deployed with Bradley, Stryker and Humvee

The Panzer XI also has a small CIWS system resembling a smaller Phalanx, however, using a seperate gaussian transmitter with a range of about two hundred meters to track incoming anti-tank guided and unguided missiles. The CIWS, or ACIWS, is automated and has a three hundred and sixty rotational view.

Engine:
The Panzer XI uses a 1,800 horsepower diesel engine which gives the Panzer XI a maximum on road velocity of forty kilometers per hour, which is really all that is needed for a tank the size of a Panzer XI.

Crew: 4 (Commander, Gunner, Loader, Auxilary Machine Gunner/Driver)
Weight: 80.4 Tons

Cost:8 Million USD
Production Rights: Not available


[Differences from the last tank are the 'buckyball composite' armor, the hydrogen fuel cell tank engine, I took off the anti-mine laser system because I can just use the old fashion scorpion which costs infinitely less mulah, and I took off the DREAD and just decided to go with a Phalanx type system.]

Pic of the Track:
http://img233.exs.cx/img233/949/wc18cc.jpg

Can you add those things you took out? the Fuel Cell engine would be better for me than a diesal one. Thanks for the offer. Space Union will look over it.

From the Incorporated Ordnance Company (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=394656), the Z-32 'Zephyr' MBT. It should fit most of your needs for a MBT.

Z-32 'Zephyr' MBT
Armament: 125 mm ETC gun on fully-rotating, all-electric turret (360 degree rotation) with minus-15 degree to plus-30 degree elevation. Capacity for 65 projectiles; one 12.7 mm co-axial chain gun for attacking low-flying helicopters and soft-skinned vehicles; FN BRG-15 machine gun (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg26-e.htm); 30 gun-launched missiles similar to LAHAT.
Protection: Automatic fire and explosion protection system, threat warning system and smoke grenades; Composite armor scheme including layers of ballistic ceramics, titanium, vadium and aluminum along with Chobham armor. RHA Values: Front armour 1800 mm; Side armour 700 mm; Rear armour 340 mm; Top of turret 100 mm. Tanks will be given a full coating of radar absorbent paint to inhibit detection. Palestra active defense system installed (modified version of Arena defence system).
Propulsion: Diesel-electric hybrid engine; 12 cylinders, 1,800 hp
Speed: 65 km/hr road; 50 km/hr cross-country
Range: 425 km by road; 225 km cross-country
Dimensions: 11.4 m length; 5.6 m width; 4.2 m height; 74,000 kg weight
Crew complement: Four.
Systems included: LADAR and GPS-guided target acquisition system and laser range-finder; commander's MG controlled remotely with commander-in-hull using sights such as infared, low-light, night vision technology, etc.
Price: $8.5 million U.S.
Limit: 250 per order except for most favoured and most trusted nations.

From the Incorporated Ordnance Company (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=394656), the Z-32 'Zephyr' MBT. It should fit most of your needs for a MBT.

Z-32 'Zephyr' MBT
Armament: 125 mm ETC gun on fully-rotating, all-electric turret (360 degree rotation) with minus-15 degree to plus-30 degree elevation. Capacity for 65 projectiles; one 12.7 mm co-axial chain gun for attacking low-flying helicopters and soft-skinned vehicles; FN BRG-15 machine gun (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg26-e.htm); 30 gun-launched missiles similar to LAHAT.
Protection: Automatic fire and explosion protection system, threat warning system and smoke grenades; Composite armor scheme including layers of ballistic ceramics, titanium, vadium and aluminum along with Chobham armor. RHA Values: Front armour 1800 mm; Side armour 700 mm; Rear armour 340 mm; Top of turret 100 mm. Tanks will be given a full coating of radar absorbent paint to inhibit detection. Palestra active defense system installed (modified version of Arena defence system).
Propulsion: Diesel-electric hybrid engine; 12 cylinders, 1,800 hp
Speed: 65 km/hr road; 50 km/hr cross-country
Range: 425 km by road; 225 km cross-country
Dimensions: 11.4 m length; 5.6 m width; 4.2 m height; 74,000 kg weight
Crew complement: Four.
Systems included: LADAR and GPS-guided target acquisition system and laser range-finder; commander's MG controlled remotely with commander-in-hull using sights such as infared, low-light, night vision technology, etc.
Price: $8.5 million U.S.
Limit: 250 per order except for most favoured and most trusted nations.

Thank You for your offer but I want to ask if I could purchase unlimited amount instead of only 250 per order. I need this quickly because of a crisis.

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The T-125

Space Union, if you're using this for the war thread, then don't bother. there will be no way you can train your soldiers to use the tank, then deploy the tank in time.

just use whatever MBT you are using now. I'm pretty sure all modern MBT's can be equipped with shovels in the front.

Space Union, if you're using this for the war thread, then don't bother. there will be no way you can train your soldiers to use the tank, then deploy the tank in time.

just use whatever MBT you are using now. I'm pretty sure all modern MBT's can be equipped with shovels in the front.

Yes I know but what I'm currently undergoing changes in my military because I found that my military structure isn't suited to fight nations on large-scales. This is for future conflicts. But yes I'm currently adding plows to my other tanks.

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