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This storefront will be filled with cheap 1970's armored vehicles. these weapons are not modern, but are a good alternative for the budding nation.
Unfortunately, my own nation's small size means that production will be limited.

T-55 MBT
Crew: 4
Armament: (1) 100mm gun; one 7.62mm SGMT machine-gun co-axial with main armament; one 7.62mm SGMT machine-gun in bow of tank; one 12.7mm DShk anti-aircraft machine gun.
Armour: 170mm (6.7in)
Dimensions: Length (including amament) 29ft 6in (9m); length (hull) 21ft 2in (6.45m); width 10ft 9in (3.27m); height (without anti-aircraft armament) 7ft 10in (2.4m)
Weight: Combat 79,366lbs (36,000kg)
Ground pressure: 11.52lb/in2
Engine: Model V-54 12-cylinder air-cooled diesel developing 520hp at 2,000 rpm
Performance: Maximum road speed 30mph; range 249 miles; vertical obstacle 2ft 8in; trench 8ft 10in; gradient 60%
Cost:$120k

PzKpfw VI Tiger II Heavy Battle Tank
Crew: 5
Armament: one 8.8cm KwK 43 L/71 gun; two 7.92mm MG34 machine-guns.
Armour: 7.28in
Dimensions: Length 23ft 9in; width 12ft 3in; height 10ft 1in
Weight:153,000lbs (69,400kg)
Ground Pressure: 15.2lb/in2 (1.07kg/cm2)
Power to weight ratio: 8.78hp/ton
Engine: Maybach HL 230 P 30 V-12 water-cooled inline gasoline engine developing 600bhp at 3,000rpm.
Performance: Road speed 24mph; cross-country speed 11,ph; range 68 miles; vertical obstacle 2ft 9in; trench 8ft 2in; fording depth 5ft 3in; gradient 35%
Cost $180k

Panhard AMD 178 Armoured car
Crew:4
Armament: One 25mm gun; one 7.5mm machine gun
Armour: 13mm to 18mm
Dimensions: Length 15ft 81/2in; width 6ft 71/4in; height 7ft 7in
Engine: Four cyinder water cooled gasoline engine developing 105bhp at 2,000 rpm
Performance: Maximum road speed 45mph; range 187 miles; vertical obstacle 1ft; gradient 40%
Notes: A recon vehicle, not good for actual combat except against infantry. Good in urban combat situations.
Cost:$30,000

Type 74 Main Battle Tank
Crew:4
Armament: One 105mm L7 series gun; one 7.62mm machine-gun co-axial with the main armament; one 5in anti-aircraft gun; six smoke dischargers.
Armour:70mm
Dimensions: Length (gun forward) 29ft 10in; length (hull) 22ft 6in; width 10ft 5in; height (with anti-aircraft gun) 8ft 10in; ground clearance of 8in.
Weight: Combat 83,776lbs
Ground Pressure: 12lb/in2
Engine: Mitsubishi 10ZF model 21 WT 10-cylinder air-cooled diesel developing 750bhp at 2,200rpm.
Performance: Maximum road speed 37 mph; range 310 miles; vertical obstacle 3ft 3in; trench 8ft 10in; gradient 60%
Cost:$115k
I will have pics as soon as my scanner stops being annoying.
Thanx to Clan Smoke Jaguar for pricing suggestions.

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OOC: just so you know picks help get more people

"Oooh! Vintage Tiger! I'll take 10! Money will be wired upon confirmation."-The Great Leader Li.

OOC: Does anyone actually want those old stuff? The oldest MBTs the Sinoese have are the Type 80s and they've been upgraded as LBTs (light battle tanks).

MassPwnage, your order is confirmed for 12 million USD
Sino, The T-55 is currently in use by: Albania, Algeria, Angola, Bangladesh, Bulgaria, Cuba, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, Egypt, Finland, Hungary, India, Israel, Libya, Mongolia, Morocco, Vietnam, Pakistan, Peru, Poland, and several others.

Sino, The T-55 is currently in use by: Albania, Algeria, Angola, Bangladesh, Bulgaria, Cuba, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, Egypt, Finland, Hungary, India, Israel, Libya, Mongolia, Morocco, Vietnam, Pakistan, Peru, Poland, and several others.

OOC: Don't forget China too! Although the PRC copy is the Type 59.

OOC: Does anyone actually want those old stuff? The oldest MBTs the Sinoese have are the Type 80s and they've been upgraded as LBTs (light battle tanks).
Also, I'm selling to romantics like MassPwnage and those who can't afford the best.

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OOC: Romantics? Don't you mean nostalgics?

Rofl did he get his 19 posts by bumping this thread?

Rofl did he get his 19 posts by bumping this thread?

He couldn't have. This thread doesn't have nineteen posts yet.

It's nice that these are being sold, but they're way overpriced for the basic unit.

I'm selling M60A3s for $500k, and those would eat either of these two for breakfast.

I would advise somewhere in the range of $100-200k tops for both designs, unless they're vastly upgraded (ie T-55AM2P), in which case maybe up to $450k. As they stand, you can get much newer and vastly superior tanks for less than half the price.

It's nice that these are being sold, but they're way overpriced for the basic unit.

I'm selling M60A3s for $500k, and those would eat either of these two for breakfast.

I would advise somewhere in the range of $100-200k tops for both designs, unless they're vastly upgraded (ie T-55AM2P), in which case maybe up to $450k. As they stand, you can get much newer and vastly superior tanks for less than half the price.

OOC: Mr. Expert, what are the specs of the T-55AM2P? How does that compared to the PRC's Type 59D upgrade (with ERA and 105mm with ATGM ability)?

OOC: The T-55AMV (aka AM2P in Poland) was the ultimate incarnation of the T-55. Improvements over the basic T-55 included
-NBC protection system (first seen on T-55A, which was the basis for the Type 59)
-Volna Fire Control System (first seen on T-55M), which included the ability to fire the AT-10 missile
-Improved engine, gun stabilization, and sights (first seen on T-55M)
-Additional armor and fire suppression system (first seen on T-55M)
-Addition of ERA to increase turret protection.

Actual armor protection, accounting for ERA, is up to 450-480mm against KE (APFSDS rounds), and 700-900mm against HEAT. The basic T-55 had only 203mm of protection against both kinds.

It's also notable in that the improved fire control system allows the tank to fire accurately on the move (unless upgraded, most 1960s or older units must come to a complete stop to fire accurately).



Compared to the Type 59D, the T-55AMV is most notable for having a weaker gun (though this is as much due to less modern ammunition as anything else), with only 280mm RHA penetration at 2 km compared to 480-510 for the Chinese gun. The Chinese gun is of course based on the British L7, and can get up to 580mm penetration with DU rounds, which is about as powerful as the rounds fired by US M1A1 and British Challenger tanks in the 1991 Gulf War.
The Type 59D has comparable armor, better firepower and fire control, comparable engine and communications, and the Type 59D's ATGM has slightly better range and penetration than the AT-10 (5 km & 700mm VS 4 km & 650mm). However, the T-55AMV is 1970s Russian tech, and the Type 59D has a lot of 1980s and 1990s western tech, so there's a notable disparity, and the Type 59D is going to be a lot more expensive (probably in the range of the $900k you're selling the T-55 for). It would be even more expensive if it had composite armor.

The Chinese are developing ATGMs for 105mm rifled guns as well and there's the new Type 59-125 (export only), which is armed with a 125mm smoothbore.

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