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OOC: I have never done a war RP, and I would like some practice before I do a real one. Newbies only please. Critiques from experienced players will be appreciated. I will be using a small army for this exercise: 10,000 soldiers, 50 GT6 Tanks, and 100 modernized P-51 Aircraft. Please use a similar Army size. Just post that you are ready to fight and we'll start!

P.S. this is a simulation

I suggest making this a simulation so you can use all your army and not suffer any loses

What do you mean?

well it won't be real so there will be no loses and your civilization won't suffer any war weariness

Thanks. I will edit my first post.

Ok, do you mind if I join this? I am not exactly a newb (AKA: I am smart enough to read the stickys before doing anything)

Since I use near-future level tech, my army size would be this:

2.5k Soldiers, 250 powered armors, 20 Terai's Wrath class Heavy tanks, and 15 Sky Scythe fighters

.5k Medical Personel, 500 Command staff, 1k supply personell, 250 supply trucks
, and a bunch of more stuff I can't think off

Also present is Prince Terai, founder and namesake of our nation. He will start out in the commander center, but is no stranger to battle, and thus may decide to go out and aid our efforts on the field.

This sounds fun. Not sure if you consider me newbie or not, but I haven't engaged in any war-rps except Lotr and From the Shadows.

ooc: This looks like fun, I'll do it. (have read most of the stickies and have prior RP experience)
IC: The Nomadic Peoples of Tichang declare 25,000 foot soldiers, 25 T-60 light tanks, 10 IS-2 heavy tanks, and 40 SU-27 fighter jets

OOC: i dont know if you would call me a newbi (looks at post count)

but i could use the practice anyway

IC: nebarri prime will have

15,000 troops
20 M1A2 Abroms MBT
25 M113A2 APC
5 M110 203mm self-propelled guns light artillery
20 F-16 multi-role fighter
20 Jaguar GR1 ground attack plane
20 Tornado GR1 light bomber and attack plane
5 AH-64 attack helicopters

OOC: I'll join, I'm a newb.

Wow, what happened to things similar in number/power to what the starter set up?

Ello peoples.. I am CrossFire, person who just found this site and decided to be a dictator of his own little plot of land. *nods*

Wow, what happened to things similar in number/power to what the starter set up?
My infantry are fairly lightly armed and armored, the tanks are soviet union WWII surplus, and I have less aircraft. could you clear up the capabilities of your "powered armor", Terai? I mean, powered armor could be incredibly strong rocket shooting jumpjet troopers, which would be imbalancing, but you are sort of unclear

OOC: for the people who dont know i happend to give Concador his modernized P-51 Mustangs they aren't the best but they are cheap for the people who cant get the best aircraft here are the stats


Name: P-51 Mustang (modernized)
Type: Single-seat short-range escort fighter
Max speed: 900 MPH
Ceiling: 40,000 FT
Combat Radius: 325 miles
Weapons: 6 M61 Vulcan 20-mm cannons and 6 AIM-9 missiles
Span: 37 ft
Length: 32 ft 3 in
Height: 12 ft 2 in

OOC: Just out of my own curiosity, how exactly do you modernize a P-51? With jet tech and all that jazz the only thing they will be good for is target practice.

OOC: this is one of my frist post. id like to join in on this. mybe learn something cool on the way. hoffentlich ill do this right.im useing modern tech.
but since im new ill just use troops.

IC:,Derapates will use 25,000 troops.

OOC: Just out of my own curiosity, how exactly do you modernize a P-51? With jet tech and all that jazz the only thing they will be good for is target practice.

does that realy matter? yes it is un realistic but so is a 1 kilometer long aircraft carrier

Well whatever, just expect not to see any of your airmen again if you take those into real combat.

OOC: i would not take them into combat i just sell them

OOC: I would like to join in and learn aswell. I will be using left over modern tech.

IC: Ardessia will be sending:

5000 Soldiers
25 Challenger 2
40 Leopard 2A6
45 LAV III
10 ADATS
10 Paladin M109A6
12 CF-24 Falcons
5 Harriers

Edit: I'm adding supply and support vehiles:

45 HLVW
15 MLVW
1 AERIES
5 Bison Ambulance
3 Bison Mobile Repair Team vehicles
6 Bison Recovery vehicles
1 Bison Electronic Warfare vehicles
5 Taurus ARV
1 Beaver Bridge Launcher

OOC: A tip for all the new role players, while your numbers are small, just remember that you will also be needing support personnel and machinery. Your soldiers, tanks, planes, etc cannot run forever without being supplied regularly.

Y'all be smoked. im new at this, but i know a few things
20k troops, lowest class pfc
50 crusader tanks
50 mosquito attack jets
100 comanche helicopters
75 destroyer class battle ships
10 aircraft carriers :sniper:
10 200 megaton ICBMs
50 cruise missles carrying 20 lbs vx nerve gas
15 moab

OOC: must be cheap aircraft carriers and very cheap destroyers

:upyours: :D i only need somewhere to launch my missles from. initial attack from them. then i send in the troops. the navy is just for tactical strikes.

OOC: no realy i would like to know where you got the money


forgot to add this

aircraft carriers by them self cost about 3 to 5 billion seeing as your nation was made this month you would need 30 billion in your defence budget just for the carriers which i know you probably dont have

why do you think my economy is weak? i spend it all on military

you still dont have the money my econemy is rated thriveing and i have most going into military and i only have 6 carriers and a total of 95 ships

No more players may enter (sorry). I also apologize to Future Relics, but you are the seventh man, so it's uneven. I believe the teams should be :Concador, Deraptes, and Nebarri Prime againstTerai, Tichang, and Ardressia. I think these will be fair because: Nebarrie Primes's experience (and weaponry) will be needed to help Newbs like Derapates and me out. I think that although the combined forces of Terai, Tichang and Adressia are smaller, their combined experiance will help even it out. Please post any objections.

Hes right. Your army, navy, and airforce are all way over sized. In fact, the largest ship you should even consider having is like 3 corvettes, or small frigates. Let alone carriers and destroyers. Also a 50k man army is 10% of your pop. No. The only people who use that much of their pop are those who are being invaded and have to raise a large UNTRAINED militia, and those N00bs who enjoy being ignored.

Also you do not have the funds capable of making any of those missiles. So you need to change them.

Nabarri, in all actuality you shouldnt even be able to afford one carrier. let a lone man it. you are only 2 months old. And unless you have extremely small ships, you dont have a 95 ship navy either.

why do you think my economy is weak? i spend it all on military
this site will help you determin your military buget: http://www.sunsetrpg.com/nsxmlparser.php

OOC: i would have one but then this is just for practice ( sorry for spelling right now i dont use M word when im ooc) reason would be Terai is an ally but as i have said already this is just for practice

also i would like to add navil forces to this only small ones tho if thats ok with you and i have 4 "secret planes" that i will be useing dont worry there not something super good

exactly, this is just a practice, but you should at least try to keep your weaponry in the same area as the rest of the participants. At least make this fair. Also in response to your earlier post, the amount of posts means crap when reffering to your skills as a role player. I know at least one rper who has over 1000 poss and cant role play without god modding.

Hes right. Your army, navy, and airforce are all way over sized. In fact, the largest ship you should even consider having is like 3 corvettes, or small frigates. Let alone carriers and destroyers. Also a 50k man army is 10% of your pop. No. The only people who use that much of their pop are those who are being invaded and have to raise a large UNTRAINED militia, and those N00bs who enjoy being ignored.

Also you do not have the funds capable of making any of those missiles. So you need to change them.

Nabarri, in all actuality you shouldnt even be able to afford one carrier. let a lone man it. you are only 2 months old. And unless you have extremely small ships, you dont have a 95 ship navy either.

OOC: true most cant pay for it but i have the links for who i bot them from if you want them i do have a fleet of 95 ships and i payed for them as i could show you if you wanted me to

and i may be small but i have about 550 billion in my defence budget

exactly, this is just a practice, but you should at least try to keep your weaponry in the same area as the rest of the participants. At least make this fair. Also in response to your earlier post, the amount of posts means crap when reffering to your skills as a role player. I know at least one rper who has over 1000 poss and cant role play without god modding.

OOC: this is true but then i have never been told i was a godmoder and have never killed anyones main stuff without asking first

The fact you bought them from someone means zilch. you do not have the fundsnor personnel to operate a navy, army, and air force with that size of a navy. So either all you have are those ships, or you need to do some serious down sizing.

OOC: i dont see why i have the man power in my military 700,000 total and dont tell me its to much because it says in the stikys that 1% is max and 700,000 is not max

forgot about funds i dont know how much i would need

You usually only have about 10% of you total forces in on active duty. probably 15-30 on reserve, and then the rest in support roles.

Plus for the ships, the initial price is not the only thing draining money, you have to account for training, supplying the ships with food, weapons, fuel, etc quite often, and unless you are extremely rich in those resources, which you aren't, they cost quite a bit of money. So no, you do not have the funds, nor the personnel to support that large a navy, army and airforce at the same time.

Look, let's just assume this is a completely land-locked battleground, so that no-one need quibble over the details of RPing a large navy.
The teams seem fair to me, assuming that we keep out of the water (my nation has no navy, so we would be a little stuck.)
Also, I beg forgiveness, here is a listing of support personnel.
100 modified SdKfz 251 APCs (no guns, more cargo)
40 heavy transport helicopters
36 6X6 AEC command vehicles

You usually only have about 10% of you total forces in on active duty. probably 15-30 on reserve, and then the rest in support roles.

Plus for the ships, the initial price is not the only thing draining money, you have to account for training, supplying the ships with food, weapons, fuel, etc quite often, and unless you are extremely rich in those resources, which you aren't, they cost quite a bit of money. So no, you do not have the funds, nor the personnel to support that large a navy, army and airforce at the same time.

i have the best arms manufacturing in my region and as i have seen people say you need 1/2 of your stuff going into training and supplying and i have less than 1/2 spent on my ships, planes, tanks so i think i can have a 95 ship fleet based on this

Look, let's just assume this is a completely land-locked battleground, so that no-one need quibble over the details of RPing a large navy.
The teams seem fair to me, assuming that we keep out of the water (my nation has no navy, so we would be a little stuck.)
Also, I beg forgiveness, here is a listing of support personnel.
100 modified SdKfz 251 APCs (no guns, more cargo)
40 heavy transport helicopters
36 6X6 AEC command vehicles

its not about useing the navy its about how big my navy can be

Do you even think before you hit the send button? Why would you want a huge navy, just to let the ships sit in your ports and rust? Please indulge me in why anyone with half a mind would spend several billion on ships and then let them go to waste.

I mean seriously, Im trying to help you and the others out by helping them not get ignored and yet you just keep squirming your way out of questions while making yourself look even stupider in the process.

your the first person who has ever said anything about my fleet size no one else has ever said anything about it and all the info i have says i can have my fleet that big

No more players may enter (sorry). I also apologize to Future Relics, but you are the seventh man, so it's uneven. I believe the teams should be :Concador, Deraptes, and Nebarri Prime againstTerai, Tichang, and Ardressia. I think these will be fair because: Nebarrie Primes's experience (and weaponry) will be needed to help Newbs like Derapates and me out. I think that although the combined forces of Terai, Tichang and Adressia are smaller, their combined experiance will help even it out. Please post any objections.

I just got one question, what is the battlefield terrain? This will be nice to know :)

your the first person who has ever said anything about my fleet size no one else has ever said anything about it and all the info i have says i can have my fleet that big

Ok, Im not even gonna try to crack your thick skull so from here on you are ignred in my book.

thats just fine but threw all you have told me i have claculated my stuff and other then an increase in solders and smaller pay for them it will work

like you say here

You usually only have about 10% of you total forces in on active duty. probably 15-30 on reserve, and then the rest in support roles.

i can have 10% active and 15% reserve and the rest will be support which is 75%

and as far as i remember its 1% for active solders and something like 2.5% for total + reserve

entil someone shows me otherwise im stiking with what i have

anyway will we be rping here or on a different thred

thats just fine but threw all you have told me i have claculated my stuff and other then an increase in solders and smaller pay for them it will work

like you say here



i can have 10% active and 15% reserve and the rest will be support which is 75%

and as far as i remember its 1% for active solders and something like 2.5% for total + reserve
10+15+75=100. That's 100 per cent of your population in the army! Pray to god you will never enter a state of war with someone.

My infantry are fairly lightly armed and armored, the tanks are soviet union WWII surplus, and I have less aircraft. could you clear up the capabilities of your "powered armor", Terai? I mean, powered armor could be incredibly strong rocket shooting jumpjet troopers, which would be imbalancing, but you are sort of unclear

Ok, I will quickly sum it up:

Its got about 3cm of armor made out of a hard and light alloy, making it bullet-proof against most smalll arms (a barret will punche through this though, so will a deagle at clsoe range, an m16 or something comperable burst in the faceplate is likely to be lethal also) It is equipped with a heavy massdriver that fires a 1 decimeter long and 3 cm wide metal penetrator at a little above mach three, is capable of 1 shot every second, it has a max speed of 80 kph, the backup weapon is 2 1/2 meter long blades that extend from the wrists. And no, it has no jumperjet things. The infantry have a quite less powerful version of this with a less powerful version of the mass-driver that fires a round thats about 4cm, 1cm at mach 2 and is capable of semi-auto fire. A Terai's Wrath tank is a heavily armoured but slow vehicle with about 13cm of armor made of that alloy and a even higher scale version of the Powered Armor weapon, 15 cm long, 5 cm diameter AP shot at Mach 5, main problem, takes a whopping 20 seconds to recharge and reload. moves at up to 30kph. It also as 3 of the PAs mass-driver for use against infantary. A Sky Scythe fighter can reach speeds of mach 4, is capable of reaching escape velocity (it has a range of being able to reach to the moon and back on one tank of fuel) its has a dual-linked twin cannon that fires infantry rifle size shells at fully automatic speeds, you can imagine how that is lethal (expecially against ships in space: tons of hull breaches everywhere)

If you want I will lower my troop quantitys if you want me to.

Y'all be smoked. im new at this, but i know a few things
20k troops, lowest class pfc
50 crusader tanks
50 mosquito attack jets
100 comanche helicopters
75 destroyer class battle ships
10 aircraft carriers :sniper:
10 200 megaton ICBMs
50 cruise missles carrying 20 lbs vx nerve gas
15 moab


I know a way to INSTANTLY beat this army. Call the UN weapons inspectors :cool:

Thx, Terai, much more clear. maybe a few less tanks, but its not reallly that unbalancing.

10+15+75=100. That's 100 per cent of your population in the army! Pray to god you will never enter a state of war with someone.

did i miss something this is active military oh duh well with what he said i could have 10% of my populashon in the military which i dont need if i have the military i have

10+15+75=100. That's 100 per cent of your population in the army! Pray to god you will never enter a state of war with someone.

I THINK that he meant those percentages of the amount of his people that are military.

Wait a minute, what about me? I said I'd join.

Well, maybe since you din't declare forces he din't count you.

My apologies Jenrak, but you didn't state your army size, so I couldn't include you. Any way in response to Ardessia's question about terrain, here is the answer:The Concador, Nebarrie Prime, and Deraptes team will be to the north wiht theo ther team to the south. A mountain range impassable by ground units to the west, with aforest to the east which is uncrossable to tanks. The middle is clear.

P.S. this is my first map, so I don't know exactlly how it should look. If no protests to the map are are placed in the next hour, we can start.

sounds good

again tho is this only a sine up thred or will it be for the RP as well

also if Jenrak posts his states i have a friend who can take the other side (i made his military stats

in a sec i will post the stats of my four "secret planes"

here we go

Passengers= 550
Cargo= 7,080 cu ft
Max takeoff weight= 660,000lbs
Range= 5,955 nm
Cruise speed= mach 0.84
Wing span= 199 ft 11 in
Length= 242 ft 4 in
Tail height= 60 ft 7 in
Cabin width= 19 ft 3 in
weapons= 4 AIM-54s, 6 AIM-9s, 2 AIM-7s, 2 GBU 27s

Sure he can join, just post stats. I'll add Jenrak to the Terai, Tichang, Ardessia team, and your friend to the Concador, Departes, and Nebarrie Prime team. In an hour from my previous post, I'll create a new thread.

Might as well post mine, gotta keep it normal size...
Since this isn't a full on war, I guess I'll just play without my Chemical Weapons, so stuff will consist of:

(This is approximate)

7,500 infantry
250 Main Battle Tanks
50 Assault Jets
10 Attack Choppers

1 Aircraft Carrier
2 Destroyers
2 Subs

i thought this was a land locked battle.....

Yeah, the map is landlocked, so you might wanna ditch teh boats. But, anyway,welcome aboard, and good luck to you, i think all of us are going to need it by battles end

ok this is my friends stuff i made it so its based on what i know things about

5,000 troops
30 M1A2 abroms MBT
40 M113A2 APC
5 M110 203mm light artillery
30 Tornado GR1
20 F-4 Phantom
10 F-15 Eagle

his nations name is havean

Ok, well, tell him to get started in the actual thread. You should too.

OOC: I'm just gonna tag the actual thread for a read. Hope you don't mind. Also, for the ones who can't find the thread, it would be good for the person who starts the thread to post a link here.

Good idea. Thanks.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8726097#post8726097

Sorry, but I am going to make a shameless plug for my storefront. I sell armor first envisioned near the end of WWII very cheaply, and it still works well. *Please* buy my stuff! http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=413799

Many people who signed up aren't joining the war. instead of a four on four, it is a 3 vs. 2! please use the above link.