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I am the Delegate for the Soviet Union, my name is Nicolai Malkovich.

Premier Romanov has called for this meeting in order to stop the war. It is his wishes that the Space Union states his wishes first.

President Harsimran Mann (Will be Space Union's Delegate):

I thank Daimosa for withdrawing their statements. Here are what I require:

1. You no longer point any missles at the Federal Republic of Space Union.

2. Withdraw all troops from my borders.

3. Stop your amibitions against capitalist nations that have done you no harm.

4. To end your aggression of getting rid of capitalism.

If you follow these I will be more than happy to sign a peace treaty and maybe open up trade between our nations and have a better relations amongst us.

(OOC: Daimosa, if you're trying to pull the Nicolai off as Russian, then Malkovitch would be his middle name. Russian last names have to end in: in, sky, ski, or oy (I think there's another one, but those are the most common). While their middle names have vich or vitch because in Russia, the middle name his patriarchlineal. Much like MacDonald means 'song of a MacDonalnd', Malkovitch would mean 'son of Malkov or Malko'. Unless you're going as if the Space Union delegate has never heard of him, then Malkovitch would be somewhat alright, but the correct last name is still preffered.

Serbian, Gregorian, Montegnegroian, Albanian, Ukranian, etc. have vitch or vich as last names though. So you could sas Nicolai (More commonly Nikolai) is from the Ukranian SSR or Gregorgian SSR. Just some constructive critizism. :D)

President Harsimran Mann (Will be Space Union's Delegate):

I thank Daimosa for withdrawing their statements. Here are what I require:

1. You no longer point any missles at the Federal Republic of Space Union.

2. Withdraw all troops from my borders.

3. Stop your amibitions against capitalist nations that have done you no harm.

4. To end your aggression of getting rid of capitalism.

If you follow these I will be more than happy to sign a peace treaty and maybe open up trade between our nations and have a better relations amongst us.

Secret IC

We've never met. My name is Barry Paneful, and I'm a mercenary/bounter hunter/assassin with a multi-billion dollar company of thousands of the world's best guerrilla soldiers, hitmen, bodyguards, etc. Want me to arrange the deaths of the communist delegates?

President Harsimran Mann (Will be Space Union's Delegate):

1. You no longer point any missles at the Federal Republic of Space Union.

2. Withdraw all troops from my borders.

3. Stop your amibitions against capitalist nations that have done you no harm.

4. To end your aggression of getting rid of capitalism.



Message From Premier Romanov:

I will be more than happy to abide by these terms that you have set.
And my people have petitioned to have communism removed from this nation and I do require help to remove any communist insurgents that may surface.

End Transmission.

(OOC: Daimosa, if you're trying to pull the Nicolai off as Russian, then Malkovitch would be his middle name. Russian last names have to end in: in, sky, ski, or oy (I think there's another one, but those are the most common). While their middle names have vich or vitch because in Russia, the middle name his patriarchlineal. Much like MacDonald means 'song of a MacDonalnd', Malkovitch would mean 'son of Malkov or Malko'. Unless you're going as if the Space Union delegate has never heard of him, then Malkovitch would be somewhat alright, but the correct last name is still preffered.



OOC: I never said he was Russian

Message From Premier Romanov:

I will be more than happy to abide by these terms that you have set.
And my people have petitioned to have communism removed from this nation and I do require help to remove any communist insurgents that may surface.

End Transmission.

Space Union will offer any aid they can give to your nation. Thank you

***Official Proclimation***
Made by: Emporer Shaz Bot
The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom
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The Emporer Applauds your nations for comming to a peaceful resolution for this conflict. Lets hope all nations who wish war take notes from these talks in the present and in the future. My whatever God you believe in Bless you.

~~~End Transmission~~~

I hate to see a pride of a nation being stumped upon because of simple idiocy of its leader. Citizens of Daimosa, i am very sorry for you and invite anyone who is interested in pride of your nation to come to Pushka and start a resistance movement here.

-Alexey Chorni

I hate to see a pride of a nation being stumped upon because of simple idiocy of its leader. Citizens of Daimosa, i am very sorry for you and invite anyone who is interested in pride of your nation to come to Pushka and start a resistance movement here.

-Alexey Chorni

Ahem. The people petitioned for communism to be removed from the nation. Isn't that one of your communist principles? Power to the people? So it has nothing to do with the idiocy of his leader. In fact, we should applaud the leader for his flexibility in the matter and his desire to reach a peaceful solution.

First of all there is no proof that those petitions he is speaking aren't a fraud. Second even if they aren't that does not mean that every single person in Daimosa is happy with this transition and lost any sense of patriotism in their nation. He himself spoke of the insurgents. I welcome those freedomfighters to my land so one day they can return and free their families.

-Alexey Chorni

First of all there is no proof that those petitions he is speaking aren't a fraud. Second even if they aren't that does not mean that every single person in Daimosa is happy with this transition and lost any sense of patriotism in their nation. He himself spoke of the insurgents. I welcome those freedomfighters to my land so one day they can return and free their families.

-Alexey Chorni

And what of the people in your nation who oppose communism? Hmm? Is every single person in your nation happy with being under a communist rule? I sincerely doubt it.

First of all there is no proof that those petitions he is speaking aren't a fraud. Second even if they aren't that does not mean that every single person in Daimosa is happy with this transition and lost any sense of patriotism in their nation. He himself spoke of the insurgents. I welcome those freedomfighters to my land so one day they can return and free their families.

-Alexey Chorni

The majority wants democracy and capitalism not communism.

And what of the people in your nation who oppose communism? Hmm? Is every single person in your nation happy with being under a communist rule? I sincerely doubt it.

Yes i have people in my nation opposed to communism. As long as they do not physically act against a gov't and commit crimes they are not discremenated against.

As for Space Union. Thats according to that coward who leads Daimosa. He is a traitor, how can he be trusted?

Also majority or not, i still want those true to Daimosa to come to Pushka and start organizing a revolution against current Daimosan regime.

-Alexey Chorni

Yes i have people in my nation opposed to communism. As long as they do not physically act against a gov't and commit crimes they are not discremenated against.

As for Space Union. Thats according to that coward who leads Daimosa. He is a traitor, how can he be trusted?

Also majority or not, i still want those true to Daimosa to come to Pushka and start organizing a revolution against current Daimosan regime.

-Alexey Chorni

I will be forced to intervene if you threaten his soverignty

Did i not make it perfectly clear that i am not afraid of your intervention in our previous discussion? My offer to the patriots of Daimosa still stands.

-Alexey Chorni

Did i not make it perfectly clear that i am not afraid of your intervention in our previous discussion? My offer to the patriots of Daimosa still stands.

-Alexey Chorni

Didn't I make it clear that I would intervene and stop you?

Yes you have, several times. I was simply making a point that there is no need for you to talk anymore, if you are going to intervene you might as well just go ahead and do it already. Or are you guttless?

-Alexey Chorni

Yes you have, several times. I was simply making a point that there is no need for you to talk anymore, if you are going to intervene you might as well just go ahead and do it already. Or are you guttless?

-Alexey Chorni

That would make me the aggressor. I have plenty of guts but won't attack until my ally is attacked.

Then sir, you are no more then a guttless worm. Do not take it as an offense take it as a fact, because that is what it is. I am awaiting a response from the rebel leader. Also if you attack the Daisomian freedom fighters i will intervene. Infact, i am asking PCPC to give me full power over the military inface of military conflict.

-Alexey Chorni

We have observed the escalation here with mild interest. However, in light of Pushka's direct threat to the sovereignty of the Daimosan state, we hereby condemn them and warn them that further threats of this nature will be dealt with head-on. You have been warned.

It is my nation's right to help those who are in need of it. That is what i will do, and i will not bend to your demands. If you wish war, i shall rally my allies and give you war. My cause is just and that is all the motivation that my people need. We will help the freedom fighters, indirectly if we can, directly if neccessary. We are not threatening Daimosas sovereignty, we are helping those brave men and women who are fighting against its current corrupt regime.

-Alexey Chorni

It is my nation's right to help those who are in need of it. That is what i will do, and i will not bend to your demands. If you wish war, i shall rally my allies and give you war. My cause is just and that is all the motivation that my people need. We will help the freedom fighters, indirectly if we can, directly if neccessary. We are not threatening Daimosas sovereignty, we are helping those brave men and women who are fighting against its current corrupt regime.

-Alexey Chorni

If its so corrupt than why did the Daimosa people elect the leaders to office? They could easily get him out through impeachment or the next national election. The majority wants the country to be democratic so they can have a democratic country.

It is my nation's right to help those who are in need of it. That is what i will do, and i will not bend to your demands. If you wish war, i shall rally my allies and give you war. My cause is just and that is all the motivation that my people need. We will help the freedom fighters, indirectly if we can, directly if neccessary. We are not threatening Daimosas sovereignty, we are helping those brave men and women who are fighting against its current corrupt regime.

-Alexey Chorni

Now theres a contradiction if I've ever heard one. The nation votes for communism to be removed, so you claim it's corrupt. You're "not threatening Daimosa's sovereignty", but then you openly admit you're going to fund anyone who isn't happy with not being communist anyone. In other words, you're funding a minority group to overthrow a system that has replaced one the majority wants. Brilliant.

We warn you that you and your allies will be annihilated in an open war with the Dominion.

Pushka, at one time we may have been allies but no more.

The people of Daimosa have decided not to be communist anymore. It is their wishes that we stop this war. If you continue to threaten to reinstate a communist regime i will be forced to destroy you with my World Killer Missles.

World Killer Missle: Initial blast radius is 350 miles.
Total blast radius 4500 miles.

You have been officially warned.

OOC: And i will use my all mighty ignore cannon if you do, or wait no i won't i'll just fry your missiles with my BME satelites and then woop your unholy ass.

IC:

Alexey: Do as you wish we have means of defending ourselves and we have means of defeating you. We have calmed our tensions with Space Union but in light of you threatening us we cannot let you go unpunished.

"A phone rang on the desk of regional military commander Valentine Brizlov."

Alexey: Ninth, fourteenth and seventinth armies are to be mobilized and prepared for transportation to Daimosa, parts of Antarctic fleet are to be mobilized in order to counter any resistance in the sea. You have your orders General.

"Alexey hung up"

OOC: Now please give me a link to a thread there you explain why exactly your missile is so powerful. Also you do realise that with such a radius radiation will cause a nuclear winter and that means you are dead as well. Also tell me there in the world your nation is. Union of Communist Republics includes Republic of Federation of Pushka in Syberia, Southern Californian Republic in lower half of state of California and Cameroon Republic in mid-western Africa, just so you know. You can find the lay out of my military if you follow the specified link in my signature. I would like to have something similar from you or atleast a rought outline of what i will be facing. Also i probably won't be here during the work week, so don't attack until i come back.

The Militaristic Dominion recognises the open threat against Daimosan sovereignty by the mobilisation of the Pushka armies and naval forces. As such, we are preparing the nation for war. We request permission from Daimosa to land troops and armour onto their soil to bolster the defences (should the situation escalate to the point where they're required to do so).

We also demand the Pushka cease its unjustified aggression against the Daimosan people.

***Official Proclimation***
Made by: Emporer Shaz Bot
The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom
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As has been stated, the Holy Empire of Shazbotdom will not stand idly by as warmongering nations assualt the will of the people. We will send a team of scientists into The Nation of Daimosa to inspect the people and see what type of government they want. If it turns out that the majority (being a small majority or a landslide majority) wants a Capitalist nation then you (The Nation of Pushka) will stand down your armed forces. Peaceful resolutions will win over all.


~~~End Transmission~~~

The Militaristic Dominion recognises the open threat against Daimosan sovereignty by the mobilisation of the Pushka armies and naval forces. As such, we are preparing the nation for war. We request permission from Daimosa to land troops and armour onto their soil to bolster the defences (should the situation escalate to the point where they're required to do so).

We also demand the Pushka cease its unjustified aggression against the Daimosan people.


You have my permission to do what ever is needed to stop this mad man.

After reading the extensive report on the Daimosa incident and a light lunch.
Premier Mikhalkov walked over to the great window overlooking the beautiful square.
His nation, His people, His guilt of the debt he owed to them.
He dictated his telegram that was to be sent to the nation of Pushka ASAP.

To: Alexy Corni. URGENT. The situation in Daimosa is one to be watched but not immeadiate action to be taken against, it is after all thier choice. I see your well meaningness to let loyal communists into Pushka and i intend to do the same. I propose a diplomatic and peaceful talking over of the situation. Although a buildup of communist coalition forces may be nessarcery to keep the nation Daimosa under check. i am willing to send a naval taskforce and Alsuka class subs to patrol waters. End transmission . Premier Mikhalkov . Effective ruler of the Communist federation of Kroblexskij.

it was translated and sent a couple of hours later.

OOC will edit later TAG

--Union of Communist Republic's message concerning recent incident with Daimosa--

Alexey: I for some reason am now viewed as a dictator of my nation, as can be seen looking at the remarks by Daimosa's leader. He it seems has a very little understanding of how a communist gov't works. This issue was voted over by a council of 120 people's representatives on the 769th Communist Party Convention which took place barely 4 days ago. In light of recent events we have decided to open our borders to those Daimosans who are still loyal to their nation, who still want to see it prosper as a communist stronghold. Our decision was met with threats by all nations allied to Daimosa, after which Daimosan leader in his message to my persona has clearly provoked me to go to war with him. Let it be known that we shall not stand down to foreign threats unless our demands are met, that means that communists and socialist parties will be able to exist in Daimosa and that they will have all the rights shared by their opposing parties, also we demand the release of all the willing freedom fighters and their transfer to territory of Union of Communist Republics. As i said before our mission is holy and we shall not stand down unless we get what we want. Do not full yourself into thinking that you can grab a swift victory from us, our allies are numerous and they will aid us in this just struggle to preserve what once made Daimosa a great nation.

The Militaristic Dominion of Dregruk recognises the ultimatum released by Pushka, and also recognise it as a direct threat of war. Since the nation of Daimosa's armed forces will most likely not be at full operational strength, the Dominion has hereby reinforced them with 3 battalions of troops, armour and support personnel. They are currently en route via military transport. At the moment, we're still neutral with Pushka and its allies, but if any attack is made upon our men, it will be considered an open act of war, and as such we will retaliate with the fullest extent of our military arm.

---Message to Dregruk---

As we said before neither you nor anybody else will dectate URC's foreign policy, if you want war we will provide it for you.

Nor will we let you dictate the system of government to the Daimosan people. If war is the only way to prevent you from forcing communism upon Daimosa, then we will quite happily enter one with you. Be warned; you haven't a hope in hell of winning.

Petty threats, is that the best of your ability? Do not worry for my nation and its numerous allies that will aid it, will surely come out of this victorious. However you seem to be confused, we are not forcing communism on Daimosa, we want Daimosa's people to live freely, without prosecution as they are under current regime, prosecuted for believing that communism is a way to make Daimosa prosper. If you will fight us to protect the scum, the tyrant, then so be it.

We've been through this; the people of Daimosa are living freely. It was them that wanted communism to be dismantled in their country, but you're still obsessing over them being oppressed. Yet you claimed that there were people in your nation who were opposed to communism. Maybe I should invade you for the same reasons you're threatening to invade Daimosa.

"we are not forcing communism on Daimosa"

Uhuh. Right. So your idea of not forcing is an invasion backed by your allies?

We've been through this; the people of Daimosa are living freely. It was them that wanted communism to be dismantled in their country, but you're still obsessing over them being oppressed. Yet you claimed that there were people in your nation who were opposed to communism. Maybe I should invade you for the same reasons you're threatening to invade Daimosa.

"we are not forcing communism on Daimosa"

Uhuh. Right. So your idea of not forcing is an invasion backed by your allies?

From what I have read so far, It seems to be nothing more then a Dictator Hiding behind a Democracy, While the Government clams while under this persons control that the Population wants a Democracy?

TAG

The British Empire is watching.

Bill: #563
The protection of the Daimosian Government and it's People.

RECOGNIZING the threats made to the Daimosian people.

ALSO RECOGNIZING the threats made to the Holy Empire if they join in this conflict

STATING that the Holy Empire will do anything in it's power to protect the people of Daimosa from any forign threat.

ALSO STATING that if any attack is made upon the Holy Empire's forces in the area all out conflict will take place

This bill allows the Holy Empire of Shazbotdom to send a contingent of troops to Daimosa to protect it's government and it's People from any and all forign threats. The 8th through 10th Marine Infantry Unit's are to be prepped for immediate deployment into the conflicted zone.

Legislation Vote:
For: 1986
Against: 14



***Official Proclimation***
The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom
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Made by: Multiple Persons (Signitures Below)

The Holy Empire of Shazbotdom declares, under Bill #563, that a contingent of Marine's from the 8th through 10th Marine Infantry Fighting Units will be sent to the Nation of Daimosa to protect it's government and it's people against the tyranical regeme of the nation of Pushka. If there is any open attacks by Pushka against the Holy Empire's troops, there will be full retaliation by the Holy Empire and it's allies.

Signed on this Holy Day, April 28th:
Mr. Shaz Bot
Emporer

Grand Admiral James E. Rockenbach
Minister of Defence

4 Star General Craig L. Theod
Minister of the Army

Admiral George Yackber
Minister of the Navy

Brigadeer General Ken Shuemaker
Minister of the Air Force

Mr. Larry Williams
Minister of Forign Affairs

Mr. John J. Adams
Speaker of the Parliment
~~~End Transmission~~~


At Fort Blight the 8th, 9th and 10th Marine Infantry Divisions prepare for immediate departure for the zone. They load up their weaponry and then get onto 30 C-13 Jackrabbit Supersonic Troop Transport Jets. Their destinations is the capital city of the Nation of Daimosa. A total of 8,400 Marines will be in the capital city to help protect the government that the people have put into place. The newly developed XR series of weaponry will be used for this engaugment.

From what I have read so far, It seems to be nothing more then a Dictator Hiding behind a Democracy, While the Government clams while under this persons control that the Population wants a Democracy?

At the moment, we have to take this at face value, just as we will that Pushka isn't a dictator hiding behind a guise of communism. Or with any other communist nation. If Daimosa says that the people wanted to have democracy, then we have to assume it's the truth. If you can prove otherwise, then we will quite happily back down. However, the rampant aggression posed by Pushka in this matter cannot be ignored at present.

Out of curiousity, can Pushka prove that the majority of his population actually want communism... in a way that's different from the way Daimosa has?

We've been through this; the people of Daimosa are living freely. It was them that wanted communism to be dismantled in their country, but you're still obsessing over them being oppressed. Yet you claimed that there were people in your nation who were opposed to communism. Maybe I should invade you for the same reasons you're threatening to invade Daimosa.

"we are not forcing communism on Daimosa"

Uhuh. Right. So your idea of not forcing is an invasion backed by your allies?

Although majority of people in Daimosa are opposed to communism there is a minority that is not, they are being opressed, they are our concern, yes we want them to have equal rights, no prosecution and freedom to be politicaly active and form their own communist party inside Daimosa. We are fighting opression and our fight is just. Do you seriously believe that i am afraid of your petty threats?

OOC: I would like info on those XR weapons, what are they? Also did you bring any tanks? That sort of thing? If you need to know anything about my army go to the link in my siggy.

On behave of Space Union we are going to make a comprimise deal between Pushka and Daimosa.

1. Daimosa will allow the Communist Party to be formed and allow it to take part in local to national elections.
2. Pushka will not threaten Daimosa with an invasion.
3. Daimosa will setup a Consitution that won't allow the Communist Party from changing the government into a totalartarian government such as the Soviet Union. Instead the Communist Party will have to have their ideologies in the Consitutional boundaries.
4. No War will occur amongst any nations in this conference.

I think this is a full compromise between the two ideology camps.

President Harsimran Mann
Technocratic Republic of Space Union

OOC:
Any and all information on weaponry is on my web site. I haven't put up detalied information about them yet as i am working on that. The link to my nations web site is in my signiture. I'm looking through US Weapons and attempting to piece together stuff that will work for the XR weapons.

We will but only after we see that Daimosa has followed upon its promise. Also communist state does not mean a totalitarian state, URC's gov't is obviously not a dictatorship, decisions are made by representetives of the people elected by the people, with me as the prime representative, yet still i am bound by the decisions of Communist Party Committee. I just felt that i needed to make that clear in light of all the controversy and foolish name calling.

OOC:
Any and all information on weaponry is on my web site. I haven't put up detalied information about them yet as i am working on that. The link to my nations web site is in my signiture. I'm looking through US Weapons and attempting to piece together stuff that will work for the XR weapons.

OOC: Your website is almost impossible to read, no offense. Alright i seen what i wanted.

OOC: It shouldn't be that bad. It's white text on a black image background.

OOC: The background is all in pictures and writing, i had to highligh everything in order to read it.

We will but only after we see that Daimosa has followed upon its promise. Also communist state does not mean a totalitarian state, URC's gov't is obviously not a dictatorship, decisions are made by representetives of the people elected by the people, with me as the prime representative, yet still i am bound by the decisions of Communist Party Committee. I just felt that i needed to make that clear in light of all the controversy and foolish name calling.

I understand. I'm saying that because the Party could become corrupt and then take over the government and make it a dictatorship

3. Daimosa will setup a Consitution that won't allow the Communist Party from changing the government into a totalartarian government such as the Soviet Union. Instead the Communist Party will have to have their ideologies in the Consitutional boundaries.


This is unfair in my Eyes, what Happens if the Population as a whole see's the Advantages of Communism again after having Democracy for such a Length of time? A majority can easily become a Minority over night. There should be things in Place to Change government type within the Nation of the People so wanted.

This is unfair in my Eyes, what Happens if the Population as a whole see's the Advantages of Communism again after having Democracy for such a Length of time? A majority can easily become a Minority over night. There should be things in Place to Change government type within the Nation of the People so wanted.

They could ammend their consitution, but real communist ideology would fit inside the borders of the consitution of the US (with minor modifications)

On behave of Space Union we are going to make a comprimise deal between Pushka and Daimosa.

1. Daimosa will allow the Communist Party to be formed and allow it to take part in local to national elections.
2. Pushka will not threaten Daimosa with an invasion.
3. Daimosa will setup a Consitution that won't allow the Communist Party from changing the government into a totalartarian government such as the Soviet Union. Instead the Communist Party will have to have their ideologies in the Consitutional boundaries.
4. No War will occur amongst any nations in this conference.

I think this is a full compromise between the two ideology camps.

President Harsimran Mann
Technocratic Republic of Space Union

That is an aggreable solution. But I do wish that Pushka recall any and all threats that he has made towards my nation.

Very well, Pushka you should sign this treaty and it will be ratified. Daimosa has already agreed on this treaty.

"It is with a heavy heart that i abandon our comrades, but in order to avoid bloodshed, i shall sign this treaty"

signed,

Alexey Chorni, Prime Ministed of the Union of Communist Republics

I'm glad that both Pushka's and Daimosa's government could reach an agreement without bloodshed. Best of hopes to both nations.

President Harsimran Mann
Technocratic Republic of Space Union

OOC: I have watched with growing interest and confusion on this issue. The issue of the Open Borders of the Pushkan land has not been taken into terms nor has the leader of Daimosa given the citizens the right to take advantage of these free and open borders. I am eager to see if they will be allowed to be taken to freedom if they wish to do so.

(Pushka, I assume your nation is kind of like Isreal [sorry for any typo] in which they are open bordered to all of the Jewish faith.)

OOC: We are to all communist refugees, yes.

OOC: We are to all communist refugees, yes.

Alright, now I just need to know if the other nation will allow its people who desire to move to Pushka to move out of Da. and into Pu.