NationStates Jolt Archive

"Nothing worth having is easy to obtain." said the Duke to Don Machiavelli - "but aren't Britain & Scotland worth having? - think what it can add to your oil reserves with the North Sea Reserves and the underwater cities will be great there because of the turbulence in the North Sea."

"I know Huey." he replied, "Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying don't go for it. I'm just saying be ready to deal with the situation realistically. It's a long way from home and the land is in chaos. Those freaking Celtic types are psycho too. Even the fucking Romans couldn't conquer them. Chaos is not always easy to overcome with diplomacy, despite our "expertise" in the area."

"I know, we're ready though. I've got 2 Carrier groups from North Carolina within a day of landing in Plymouth and Portsmouth and 3 more are on the way from Florida, headed to Aberdeen and Inverness and should hit there within 2 days. I've stationed some 1,000 of the Head Rush bombers in North Carolina for long range missions as well. 75,000 soldiers, marines and Gator Guardsmen are coming in from North Carolina with that group and another 150,000 are coming in with the group from Florida. They've got 2,400 of the new Bird of Prey fighters standing by to send to Britain once a landing area is secure enough. We'll be ok. I"m going to ask for surrender first too - no need for a full invasion if they'll just give."

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5 hours later on BBC 1 News Tonight:

"Ladies and Gentlemen of Britain - Duke Huey P. Long, III of Norleans has issued a statement to us, and I quote:

To the people of Britain and Scotland - we, the people of Norleans, have long admired your tenanicity in the heart of adversity and your innovative nature. Your prowess as a nation stands you well and has stood the test of centuries. As you know, the government of Jonothana has collapsed though. Why that is, we cannot say for sure. However, we do know this has left a void in your nation and threatens to ruin years of peaceful unification with the threat of civil war and anarchy. We, the people of Norleans, intend to fill that void for you. As you listen to this, troops and equipment are on their way to Britain and Scotland to assist you in re-establishing order and regaining your nation under a single rule. We assure you, we are not cruel and evil taskmasters and we believe our international reputation will bear that out. We wish to assimilate you peacefully into Norleans as a member state and provide you with the freedoms and economic benefits Norleans can offer. Even more freedoms than you had under Jonothana as our government will provide for you to elect your own local leaders and re-establish parliment and a royal family. We are hopeful you will reply with a "yes" and welcome Norleans into Britain and Scotland and that you will join us in an adventure into the future. A time when all British and Scots have the food they need from the "bread basket" of North America. A time when a military to protect you is there and ready to do the work they may be summoned to do. A future where oil from the North Sea and our lands in Yemen and North America is plentiful for your needs at affordable prices. A time when your waters are safe for your fishermen. In short, a time of new prosperity and freedom for all.
We thank you for your attention and consideration in this matter. Our fleet will arrive shortly - Hopefully admist the rejoicing of your people at the re-establishment of safety and security and the end of strife and the beginnings of total anarchy.
Sincerely,
Duke Huey P. Long, III
New Orleans,
Norleans

Well ladies and gentlemen, that's it. Various members of the royal family and the former house of lords and house of commons are discussing the matter at length tonight. We have word though that a large fleet of Norleans' military ships will be off the coast of Britain and Scotland and potentially represent a threat to Plymouth and other cities within 24 hours. We'll let you know how it goes.

... are doomed to repeat it.

Problem: 5 carriers and 225,000 troops against an entire country? Air and sea power can wipe out a lot of your forces before they even see land. Why do you think the Blitz happened in 1940 anyway? Hitler couldn't invade until the R.A.F. was nuetralized or his invasion fleet would have been cut to shreds.

Carriers can be sunk or damaged. An airfield on land can be bombed, but you fill the hole slap some concrete over it and it's up and running in a day or so. You are also spread out. Your forces can be fought piecemeal and destroyed in little chunks while the local populace harrasses the other groups, should they make land.

Then there is the problem of logistics. you have to cross the whole freaking Atlantic Ocean while they have interior lines of communication that are much shorter.

That all said, I wish you luck, but son;t forget the Brits don't take kindly to someone telling them what to do.

Dave

... are doomed to repeat it.

Problem: 5 carriers and 225,000 troops against an entire country? Air and sea power can wipe out a lot of your forces before they even see land. Why do you think the Blitz happened in 1940 anyway? Hitler couldn't invade until the R.A.F. was nuetralized or his invasion fleet would have been cut to shreds.

Carriers can be sunk or damaged. An airfield on land can be bombed, but you fill the hole slap some concrete over it and it's up and running in a day or so. You are also spread out. Your forces can be fought piecemeal and destroyed in little chunks while the local populace harrasses the other groups, should they make land.

Then there is the problem of logistics. you have to cross the whole freaking Atlantic Ocean while they have interior lines of communication that are much shorter.

That all said, I wish you luck, but son;t forget the Brits don't take kindly to someone telling them what to do.

Dave

First: Your not an Earth V nation and this is an Earth V thread where our rules control. Britain, on Earth V is in a state of near anarchy since the former government collapsed.

Second: 225,000 troops is a large number of troops by RL standards

Third: I'm sending 5 carrier groups, not just 5 carriers, you don't know what my groups consist of

Fourth: I'm ready to support them from the air.

Fifth: I didn't tell the people what to do, I offered a choice

Sixth: If a military invasion takes place, yeah, it will be hell, but the Normans did it in 1066 and if Hitler had kept up his air raids on military targets and not switched to civilian ones and left Russia alone, Britain would have folded.

Seventh: My nation's population is huge compared to Britain, I can keep sending troops if need be.

Eighth: They will see me coming, sure, and they may attack, I'm ready to deal with that.

Ninth: yeah, their supply lines will be shorter, but mine are secured as well and on Earth V I control Central and Southern North America (North & South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, Illinois, etc.) - I have oil and food aplenty to supply my troops with.

Tenth: If my invasion forces are spread out, they must spread their defensive forces as well. That works to my advantage to some extent.

First: Your not an Earth V nation and this is an Earth V thread where our rules control. Britain, on Earth V is in a state of near anarchy since the former government collapsed.

1) My bad.


Second: 225,000 troops is a large number of troops by RL standards

2) Tell that to the 300,000 Germans at Stalingrad. :)

Third: I'm sending 5 carrier groups, not just 5 carriers, you don't know what my groups consist of

Again, my bad, I was assuming a RL modle in the lines of 1 carrier plus cruisers, destroyers, frigates and auxilliaries. Perhaps a few abttleship class ships.


Fourth: I'm ready to support them from the air.

Again true, but from America which is 1000's of miles away. If your carriers get hit, you would have trouble is all I'm saying. The Brits, if they even have an air force in this world, can take off, fight, land, re-arm, and go up again, while you would burn a lot of fuel just there and back. Again, Historically, this happened in the Battle of Britian to an extent. Todays planes have a better range, but you may be farther away.

Fifth: I didn't tell the people what to do, I offered a choice

Okay. Again technically true, but your choice seemed to be "My way or else." They may like it your way! I have no clue, the or else, worried me. :)


Sixth: If a military invasion takes place, yeah, it will be hell, but the Normans did it in 1066 and if Hitler had kept up his air raids on military targets and not switched to civilian ones and left Russia alone, Britain would have folded.

True about the Normans, except they were only fighting the current nobility. The local peasentry really didn't care who was lording over them at the time, present day is different though I would venture to say. Also you are probably correct about the Germans in WWII, but it further proves my point. A german bomber inadvertantly broke Hilters policy of not hitting cities. Then the British retaliated with a bombing raid against Germans cities and the Blitz was on. It proves that in war, the best made plans rarely survive once the enemy is engaged.


Seventh: My nation's population is huge compared to Britain, I can keep sending troops if need be.

Okay. Good point, I didn't know that.


Eighth: They will see me coming, sure, and they may attack, I'm ready to deal with that.

Okay


Ninth: yeah, their supply lines will be shorter, but mine are secured as well and on Earth V I control Central and Southern North America (North & South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, Illinois, etc.) - I have oil and food aplenty to supply my troops with.

Okay, you still have a long way to transport them, however, I was envisioning an active Royal Navy and R.A.F that would be sinking your transports and freighters.

Tenth: If my invasion forces are spread out, they must spread their defensive forces as well. That works to my advantage to some extent.

This is not true, really. Say they assaign 10% of their available army to each of your beachheads. That leave half their army, more or less. They could fight you at Portsmouth, for instance. Assuming they win, they could then moves these troops to another poiunt of conflict and face you there. Basically there smaller numbers might outnumber you in certain areas. Meanwhile they leave a harrassing forces blowing up bridges and dams and ports etc to keep your other troops busy.

Again, I didn't know all your specifics and you are in a much better position than I thought, due to my ignorance of your realities current events and I appologise.

Dave

BBC World News Tonight

"Ladies & Gentlemen - a hastily assembled Scottish Parliment today voted to agree to the annexation of Scotland by Norleans upon certain terms and conditions being fullfilled and agreed to by Norleans. The text of their resolution is as follows:

WHEREAS the Nation of Norleans has stated that it wishes to annex Scotland and make it a state of their nation; and
WHEREAS the former government of Scotland, under the rule of Jonothana has collapsed; and
WHEREAS infighting and squabbling between the clans has begun again and threatens to disrupt and bring and end to a peacefully united Scotland; and
WHEREAS Scotland posesses resources, notably North Sea oil reserves that Norleans is equipped to access and use for the benefit of Scotland almost immediately;
IT IS THEREFORE RESOLVED that Scotland shall agree to annexation by Norleans upon the following conditions and assurances being met:
1. Scotland shall remain as an independent and sovereign state within the national, political structure of Norleans with the Constitution of Scotland serving as the Constitution for the state of Scotland;
2. This Parliment shall serve as the state legislature for the state of Scotland and free and open elections by the people of the representatives herein shall be permitted;
3. The Governorship of Scotland shall be by Royal descent with the first governor of Scotland being appointed to be a descendent of Sir William Wallace, Ian Wallace;
4. The people of Scotland shall be afforded full and equal representation within the national legislature of Norleans and have a voice in the Norleans' national government that is on par with that of the other member states of Norleans;
5. An "embassy" representing the National Government of Norleans shall be established in Edinburgh and likewise such an "embassy" representing the people of Scotland shall be established in New Orleans;
6. Trade and economic development, incentives, etc. in Scotland shall be on par with that of the other states of Norleans;
7. That the development of the North Sea oil reserves shall be handled under the control of the newly to be formed state owned and run Scottish Oil & Drilling (SOD) Company which shall be a wholly owned subsidiary company of the Nationally owned Norleans oil company, NOOGIES, and that the two companies shall have interlocking Boards of Directors;
8. To the extent reasonably possible, only Scotsmen who are serving in the Norleans military will be stationed in Scotland as military contingents and the state of Scotland shall have the full and unfettered right to establish its own state militia or national guard for homeland security; and
9. To the extent not discussed in the foregoing, the people of Scotland shall be afforded all rights, privileges and immunities which are conferred upon the citizens of Norleans proper.
THEREFORE, be it resolved that upon these conditions being fully and completely agreed to by the national government of Norleans, Scotland shall become a sovereign state within Norleans.

"There you have it ladies and gentlemen, it appears Scotland will be joining Norleans. Inside sources inform us that a major consideration in this surprising turn of events was a desire by the Scottish Parliment to access Norleans advanced oil and gas production capabilities for use in the North Sea where offshore production is difficult, even on the best of days. It is expected that Norleans will agree to the terms set out in the resolution and that an immediate transition to Norleans rule shall begin. However, on the British side of things, it doesn't look so "rosey" as the yanks are prone to say. While the Welsh delegation tends to side with Scotland, insiders report that the majority of the House of Commons and the House of Lords oppose annexation by Norleans and wish to re-establish the British Empire of old under the rule of Queen Elizabeth III, great-grandaughter of Elizabeth II and daughter of the murdered Prince Harry. However, no official announcement has been made yet. We'll interrupt scheduled programming as need be to bring you up to date information on the state of things as they develop in this crisis of national identity."

Duke Long had finished reviewing the reports and the official communication from the Scottish Parliment and the refusal from the British Government he turned to his advisors.

"Send a official message - we will agree fully to the terms outlined by the Scottish Parliment - and get our men up there to set up the transition immediately. Hmm, let's also deliver some "financial aid" - Notify the Scottish Parliment that we are sending them $50 Billion as a grant to assist in the costs of transition. Also, notify the carriers headed to Scotland - I want a partial diversion - I want 100,000 men to land in Aberdeen and immediately head south to York. The rest are to stand off with our carriers and blockade the island and bombing runs are to start immediately on identified military targets - particularly airfields. Send the Head Rush bombers from the Carolina's as well. They want to fight, we'll fight. Get a few more subs over that way too. We'll need them to control the waters. Leave Ireland alone - no, wait, tell them that they are safe from us and are welcome to unify their nation under their rule and offer them a non-agression pact - I want no part of the catholic/protestant infighting there. "

Sixth: If a military invasion takes place, yeah, it will be hell, but the Normans did it in 1066 and if Hitler had kept up his air raids on military targets and not switched to civilian ones and left Russia alone, Britain would have folded.

OOC: I'm sorry, I just have to comment on this point.

A successful full-on military invasion of national conquest against 'Britain' has been done once, in the past thousand years. And that was days after the same defending Englishmen had fought a day-long battle at the other end of the country and marched back down south to confront the most succesful military in "France's" indistinguished history.

And Britain would never have folded, of course, plus there were already preparations for an organised resistance up and down the country because, as we all know, the Nazis didn't like it up 'em.

OOC: I'm sorry, I just have to comment on this point.

A successful full-on military invasion of national conquest against 'Britain' has been done once, in the past thousand years. And that was days after the same defending Englishmen had fought a day-long battle at the other end of the country and marched back down south to confront the most succesful military in "France's" indistinguished history.

And Britain would never have folded, of course, plus there were already preparations for an organised resistance up and down the country because, as we all know, the Nazis didn't like it up 'em.

OOC: Just so you know, I anticipate failure in my attempt to take Britain. Scotland has been bought off with oil and big money though.

In the White House, Rome..

The Dictator found great joy that a super power would like to help Rome take over England. Over the years the Roman Military took alot of casualties. He didn't want his military to perishs. In repond to this dilemma, He decicded to send 20 Roman Army Special Forces Groups(1080 Operators), 20 Roman Navy SEAL Battalions(640 Operators), and 20 Marine Force Recon Companies(2160 Operators). An Carrier Battle Strike Group will stay out in International Waters. This will be an Illegal War.


Roman Base, Galicia, Roman Republic...

After the Call, All the Special Forces Operators board the 30th Carrier Battle Strike Group. The Group left port to capture England and begin it back into the empire.

Stats of Battle group:

10 CVN-21 George H. W. Bush Aircraft Carrier
60 F/A-18E Super Hornet
35 F-25 JSF
6 EA-18G Growler (EW)
12 Common Support Aircraft (CSA) (Varients: ELINT, AEW, ASW, Logistics, Refueling)
12 SH-60 Seahawk
6 HV-22 Osprey
20 UCAV

10 DD(X) Destroyer
10 Arleigh Burke Class Destroyer
10 Arsernal Ship
10 SSGN Ohio Class Guided-Missile Submarine
10 NSSN Virginia Class Submarine
10 Ticonderoga Class Cruiser
10 SSN Seawolf Class Submarine
5 AOE-6 Fast Supply Ship

"Duke Long!!" said the General as he entered the room without even knocking. "You need to know we have a problem, but also some good news."

"General, this had better be really good news and a really bad problem for you to barge in this way." Said the Duke as he hastily zipped his pants and got up from the sofa, leaving his secretary buttoning her blouse.

"Yes sir. I understand sir" said the general sizing up the situation and mentally kicking himself in the ass. "You should know, Fodmodmadtol has collapsed, apparantley there was some sort of stockholder's derivative suit and the powers that be there decided to cut their losses and avoid attorney fees and they have folded completely. Virgina is open and our forces already in Kentucky pursuant to the treaty with Fod. are in postition to take that as well. Sharina has also notified us that they would support these moves. They may support a move on West Virgina and the rest of Michigan too."

"General, you just may have made my day, but I'm still not happy with the way you burst in here. Keep going."

Dismayed a bit, the General continued: "Well, it seems that the Roman Republic has gained full control in England. Wales and Ireland are still open and, as you know, Scotland took the money and technology offer. However, an all out war in England could prove to be really bad since they also have Spain as well."

"Well, didn't Britain take the Spanish Armada to establish their control of the Oceans centuries ago?" asked the Duke.

"Yes, but this is not centuries ago and currently, Mauiwowee rules the Oceans, not the Spanish."

"Hmmm, OK, well Scotland is ours, right?"

"yes sir."

"OK, send a message to this Roman Republic. Use our standard negotian strategy, money and oil. They can have England, Wales, etc. Scotland and the North Sea oil is all we really wanted anyway. We can use Sharina and Mauiwowee's ideas to rebuild a Hadrian's Wall if we need to. I don't want a war with an organized government. Remember, we're neutral in all the world politics that count for anything."

"Yes sir, got it. But what if they say no?"

"General, look around this room. Do you think you'll exist much longer if they say "no?" said the Duke.

The General sized up the situation competely - make sure Scotland was secure for Norleans and the Roman Republic could have the rest if they wanted - If he failed this assigment, the Prizzi's would have their way and a new General would be given his job. His life, hell, his family's life, was on the line, but so was a cushy retirement. He knew what to do.

::: Encrypted Message :::

TO: The Roman Republic
FROM: Norleans
RE: England
DATE: Today

Dear Sirs:
We have noted you battle fleet moving towards England. Please note that we have established a naval blockade of Britain and currently control Scotland. We have also made a few small air strikes on British military bases in the southern portion of England in preparation for our invasion of England.
That said, we have no wish to war with you and the collapse of the government of Fodmodmadtol in North America means our presence there is needed more than it is here in a war with you. We are therefore willing to offer you the following terms as far as a treaty goes between our nations. If you will recognize our claim to Scotland, we will abandon our efforts towards England and leave England open for your forces. As noted, some bombing has already taken place and you should be able to pick up where we leave off. As a further incentive to peace between our nations and the division of England and Scotland, we are willing to offer to sell you oil at our preferred customer price from our holdings in Scotland and the North Sea as well as from our fields in Texas and the Gulf of Mexico and Yemen. If these terms are satisfactory, or you wish to discuss other terms, please let us know.
Sincerely,
Duke Huey P. Long, III
Norleans

OOC: I note you said your invasion was coming from Rome, Vineyard owns Italy and he doesn't take kindly to others saying they are in his land. TGSR has recognized your claims to Spain and England though so maybe you want your forces moving in from Spain instead. I'm just trying to extricate myself from England in the RP I started for it's conquest when you came in - I look forward to hopefully being able to peacefully co-exist in the British Isles with you.

OCC: I own Spain, but Galicia is a state in Spain. Galicia used to be France but it's a state in Spain. Well I'll still continue the name Roman Republic, Even though Vineyard took it away.

IC:

To: The Leadership of Norleans
From: Vice Dictator Kombayn Nikoladze

You offering is very interesting. I will accept these terms to take over and set a government in Wales, Ireland, North Ireland and England. I would also like trade agreements with you and immunity to cross the North Sea and trade with others. Would I be possible to have a delegate and a few of his staff set up an embassy in your country?? Everything you mentioned, is accepted.

Signed,

V-D Kombayn Nikoladze

OCC: I own Spain, but Galicia is a state in Spain. Galicia used to be France but it's a state in Spain. Well I'll still continue the name Roman Republic, Even though Vineyard took it away.

IC:

To: The Leadership of Norleans
From: Vice Dictator Kombayn Nikoladze

You offering is very interesting. I will accept these terms to take over and set a government in Wales, Ireland, North Ireland and England. I would also like trade agreements with you and immunity to cross the North Sea and trade with others. Would I be possible to have a delegate and a few of his staff set up an embassy in your country?? Everything you mentioned, is accepted.

Signed,

V-D Kombayn Nikoladze


Deal

OCC: Very good. Airstrikes here I come.

"Duke Long" said the General's voice on the other end of the telephone, "We have a deal with Roman Republic, including an exchange of Embassies."

"Good, leave a contingent of forces, say 150,000 men or so in Scotland along with a carrier group. Recall the others and have them head straight for the Virgina Coast."

"Already done sir"

"Good deal General, you did right. There'll be a small bonus in your paycheck next month."

"Thank you sir."