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Unknown deserted star system:

The immense emptiness was broken by the cinder of a stellar remnant lying at the center of the blasted system. The system was destroyed long ago when the sun collapsed into a neutron star. The resulting nova sent waves of stellar matter and radiation flying away at near light speed. The material was most likely already in the neighboring system seeding the worlds there with the basic high elements needed for life.

A lone ship faded into view safely out of the gravitational pull of the Manhattan sized stellar core. The ship completed several scans and then pulled away from the star. A message was sent into the nothingness of Space Minus.

Several minutes later six alien objects faded into existence around the star. The immense size of the objects could only be described as mountains.

The objects approached the neutron star and halted barely outside the Schwarzschild Radius. The tips of each object began to glow with a purple radiance. The glow from each object extended and merged to enclose the neutron star.

The six mountainous vessels faded from Real Space, taking the star with them.

The system slowly began to drift apart.

(OOC: uh-oh, that does not sound good... what're you gonna do with that star?)

Harnessing the power of the biggest forkin' atom in the universe, eh?

Can do a lotta stuff with that.

How the hell can you do that ... i mean fading a neutron star from existence do you realize how much gravity that thing would have!? *sighs* never mind i guess most FT rpers don’t understand, the meaning of being reasonable))

How the hell can you do that ... i mean fading a neutron star from existence do you realize how much gravity that thing would have!? *sighs* never mind i guess most FT rpers don’t understand, the meaning of being reasonable))

OOC: Tis better to be imaginative and unrealistic, than to be realistic but unimaginative...

that’s true but this is just out there i mean if i tried to pull some thing like this id be ignored for godmodeing, I’m not ignoring this nation completely just this, there’s no way in hell any one could do this, further more i don’t like the way space tech has gone its gone down hill to OMFGZ I PWN JOOO WITH OMFG MY UB3RRR TECH1!!!!! SHIFT 1 ... *Sighs* what happened to the reasonable people.. sorry about that rant. any way . you can do what ever you want but me I’m ignoring this, if other nations accept it its there choice not mine. id just suggest he tone it down a little.

My guess is he pulled an InterDimensional transit with the Neutron star in tow.

Neutron star's only as big as Manhattan, Hell, I've pulled an Interdimensional transit for an entire nation.

It just takes a LOT of work. Pulling an FTL transit would be harder, but who's stoppin' 'im?

My guess is he pulled an InterDimensional transit with the Neutron star in tow.

Neutron star's only as big as Manhattan, Hell, I've pulled an Interdimensional transit for an entire nation.

It just takes a LOT of work. Pulling an FTL transit would be harder, but who's stoppin' 'im?

Your insane!!!! only the size of Manhattan do you realize a tea spoon form a neutron star weighs more than mount Everest!!!!!!! to me this is wank beyond any thing I’ve seen ))

Yeah... and mass has anything whatsoever to do with conjuring up wormholes and portals?

OOC: If the guy wants to do this let him. I find it perfectly resonable that he discovered or developed some tech that lets him get away with it.

I may have to steal it......bwahhahahahahaha

OOC

I have to agree with the True Way of Alan on this one its not like he breaking any rules for an FT Nation.

Towing neutron stars...nice way to get power to your homes.
:D

Its important to remember that Balrogga is among the foremost in Gravitonics technology. So for him, pump in enough power and weight would literally mean nothing to the transport system.

It'd just be like transporting a big balloon.

Even without using this thing for power, a Neutron star could make quite a nasty magnetic weapon. There's plenty of stuff you can use with the radiation such a stellar remnant pumps out.

OOC: Yeah, extreme, but Balrogga could easily pull it off. Hell, I used to fling around compacted nebulae with grav fields.

(OOC: I wonder what people consider me to be the foremost in... I sense a topic could be made of this. What is the specialty of a certain nation...

Relating to the topic, I think that this has the potential to be a very powerful weapon, or power source, as what is good in one is typically good at being the other.

Actually, I'd like to know, what do people consider me to be the foremost in?)

It makes you wonder, is Balrogga conducting an experiment of the star, or on the international community?

ooc: hmm... would be a dangerous weapon too. What if they hypered/slipstreamed close to a planet? The planet would be absorbed into the star, and instantly oblitterated. Would be nice for cleaning up battlefields and asteroids though... This is a lot of power he has now.

OOC: Given Balrogga's History, this doesn't come as either a suprise nor a techwank at all. Incredibly dangerous politics and perhaps a tiny hint of saber rattling can only follow.

- All the More reason for me to finish my application for ESUS.

Yeah... and mass has anything whatsoever to do with conjuring up wormholes and portals?
well no shit, thats einsteinian physics, the more mass something has the more energy it takes to transprt it, whether its drawn out over time as with a conventional transport or paid up front in generating a wormhole to transport it that energy's got to be paid and its a crap load for something the mass of a neutron star (think our solar system is heavy? it weighs about the same as a building size chunk of a neutron star

OOC: Most of the stuff we post here is utter garbage and could never exist, and we all know it deep down, however much we attempt to explain it away. I say you give the guy a chance to do whatever he's going to do, and then ignore it if you really want to. He could just be using the thing to decorate a Christmas tree for all you know. Granted, nearly everything people do here is based entirely on the military and fighting, but still... Or maybe he's starting an RP that could be fun?

I think he achieved his goal by illiciting the sort of reaction he got - arguments about things that don't exist...

reminds me of a game, book, or movie/tv show... but I can't remember what...

*shakes head* you gusy have a lot ot learn but no matter itsn ot my place to tell you what to do ..

I'm lost. What is going on. What are you guys talking about? :confused:

I'm lost. What is going on. What are you guys talking about? :confused:

someone grabbed a neutron star...

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Originally Posted by Ofgouofia
I'm lost. What is going on. What are you guys talking about?



someone grabbed a neutron star...




what is this some kind of video game or book or what?

read the stikyes thisi s a roll playing game, you type up a responce to anoter players move is the best way to explaine it ))

And how did you put that box over the previous quotes? As you can see Im not to good with computers.

And how did you put that box over the previous quotes? As you can see Im not to good with computers.

bottom right corner of someone's post... the "quote" button

Or, you could just use the [ QUOTE=(Nation)] and [/ QUOTE] tags (take out the spaces...)

For example, that thing I just posted would show up as:

and

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ofgouofia
I'm lost. What is going on. What are you guys talking about?



someone grabbed a neutron star...




what is this some kind of video game or book or what?
One question...how do you pronounce (stutters and stammers but ultimately fails to say Ofgouofia)?

Well I for one stand behind Balrogga. I'm interested to see where he's going with this.

Well I for one stand behind Balrogga. I'm interested to see where he's going with this.

agreed. I'd be interested in seeing the uses of a star... or maybe he's demonstraiting the power of these "Star-Wraiths" he has. Imagine the sheer terror of them hypering in, and removing a system's star... doom for the planet, but a slow agonizing doom.

well no shit, thats einsteinian physics, the more mass something has the more energy it takes to transprt it, whether its drawn out over time as with a conventional transport or paid up front in generating a wormhole to transport it that energy's got to be paid and its a crap load for something the mass of a neutron star (think our solar system is heavy? it weighs about the same as a building size chunk of a neutron star

Dude.

If its a couch or a cat, if ya wanna get it outta the house ya just need to open the door.

That being said they'd only need the amount of energy required to create a portal big enough to accomodate it.

Sure pushing the Neutron star might be an issue, but here's a hint: Even Neutron stars are subject to the laws of gravity. Why push it, when you can make it slide the way ya want?

Or what if you can transit it... without moving it... mmmmmmmm...

Dude.

If its a couch or a cat, if ya wanna get it outta the house ya just need to open the door.

That being said they'd only need the amount of energy required to create a portal big enough to accomodate it.

Sure pushing the Neutron star might be an issue, but here's a hint: Even Neutron stars are subject to the laws of gravity. Why push it, when you can make it slide the way ya want?

Or what if you can transit it... without moving it... mmmmmmmm...

Yeah, and that fact that all of those things would require vastly more energy than just strapping a giant rocket on it didn't cross your mind?

Which is besides the point that he "removed it from real-space". Which is effectivaley saying he removed it from the universe. Since doing so would violate conservation of mass/energy it would require the influx of the equivalent mass/energy into the universe. Now given this is FT he can move it out of the universe but it would reguire about 1.8e46 Joules ,given a 1 solar mass star, to do so to keep the universe ballanced. Unless he can come up the energy equivalent to the yearly output of several million supergiant stars I say he's wanking. But I can't and won't try to stop him.

Yeah, and that fact that all of those things would require vastly more energy than just strapping a giant rocket on it didn't cross your mind?

Which is besides the point that he "removed it from real-space". Which is effectivaley saying he removed it from the universe. Since doing so would violate conservation of mass/energy it would require the influx of the equivalent mass/energy into the universe. Now given this is FT he can move it out of the universe but it would reguire about 1.8e46 Joules ,given a 1 solar mass star, to do so to keep the universe ballanced. Unless he can come up the energy equivalent to the yearly output of several million supergiant stars I say he's wanking. But I can't and won't try to stop him.


(OOC: *Slaps head* I can't believe I forgot to even mention that conservation law! Xess, you are just that smart... *Sigh* Makes me feel depressed, lol.)

Not really.

Conservation of Mass/Energy goes right out the window when Interdimensional Tech is involved.

Plus, who's to say one can't move a portal over it?

Shifting it between dimensions would take even less effort, as the thing isn't actually moving, its just switching between dimensions.

Not really.

Conservation of Mass/Energy goes right out the window when Interdimensional Tech is involved.

Plus, who's to say you can't move the portal over it?

Complete and uter grade A Bullshit. Science and technology is evolutionary not revolutionary. Quantum mechanics didn't overturn classical mechanics. Relativity didn't render Newtonian gravity worthless. And he Laws of Thermodynamics won't just go away if you have some fancy technology.

Try again.

Incorrect.

With the proper science FICTION technology and rationale, you can make certain that any old rule no longer applies.

The wonderful thing about Interdimensional tech is that you suddenly have infinite universes to work with.

So while the laws of conservation and thermodynamics aren't rendered worthless, they ARE rendered... inapplicable.

creating an interdimensional portal to move something from point a to point 1 still requires the same amount of energy as actually moving the object from point a to point 1, and with something the mass of a neutron star, the laws of universal gravitation don't apply to it so much as it applies to the laws of universal gravitation, to make it 'slide' the way you want it you have to have a pretty hefty amount of mass or else what ever you're using is more likely to 'slide' right into the star. I realize that this is a game and that you can pretty much post whatever you like and that it is technically possible to do this giving our current understanding of physics and quantum physics but some of you guys arguing on BOTH sides are obviously lacking in these categories, if you want to be believeable in this FT stuff, at least read 'the universe in a nutshell' if not 'the elegeant universe' both of which explain a lot of quantum theory without actually going into the math behind it. or at the VERY VERY least read some reputable science fiction (Dune, Alastair Reynolds, Asimov, a small portion of T. Zahn, even Arthur C Clarke.

creating an interdimensional portal to move something from point a to point 1 still requires the same amount of energy as actually moving the object from point a to point 1,

Again, who says that one cannot move The Portal over It?

and with something the mass of a neutron star, the laws of universal gravitation don't apply to it so much as it applies to the laws of universal gravitation, to make it 'slide' the way you want it you have to have a pretty hefty amount of mass or else what ever you're using is more likely to 'slide' right into the star.

And the generation of artifical gravity wells and black hole weapons is surprisingly common.

If you can create an artificial singularity, you can dang well create a gravity well capable of accelerating a neutron star in whatever direction you want. You would only need to keep the well up for a few minutes to set the target moving even a little.

I realize that this is a game and that you can pretty much post whatever you like and that it is technically possible to do this giving our current understanding of physics and quantum physics but some of you guys arguing on BOTH sides are obviously lacking in these categories, if you want to be believeable in this FT stuff, at least read 'the universe in a nutshell' if not 'the elegeant universe' both of which explain a lot of quantum theory without actually going into the math behind it. or at the VERY VERY least read some reputable science fiction (Dune, Alastair Reynolds, Asimov, a small portion of T. Zahn, even Arthur C Clarke.

Spacefold Technology (From Dune): Allows the ability to travel to any point in the universe without even moving. Pretty much the same thing I mentioned above.

In my opinion, the physical concepts I've learned in my courses thus far have only given me the following:

More rules to circumvent.

I don't see physical laws as binding forces in the universe, but as different walls to get around. Its thinking up how one WOULD get around the rules that's the fun part.

So many viable arguments... *sniff* Makes me proud...

I don't see physical laws as binding forces in the universe, but as different walls to get around. Its thinking up how one WOULD get around the rules that's the fun part.

The univere's laws are not the legal systems laws. There are NO loopholes, there is NO breaking them. You could at most bend them, but what your supporting is flagrantly violating the most basic of physical laws. You can have fun without breaking them you know.

Incorrect.

With the proper science FICTION technology and rationale, you can make certain that any old rule no longer applies.

The wonderful thing about Interdimensional tech is that you suddenly have infinite universes to work with.

So while the laws of conservation and thermodynamics aren't rendered worthless, they ARE rendered... inapplicable.

Maybe you should also remember the science part of science fiction. Somethings just can't be done, and if someone does those things it streteches ones suspension-of-disbelief and makes it far less enjoyable.

And how pray-tell does having infinite universes mean that you can ignore the physical laws of the one you're in? Even with this magic tech of yours you're still moving the Neutron star out of our universe, which will STILL violate conservation of mass/energy unless you pay roughly 2e46 Joules as a lower limit.

Even quantum mechanics has to deal with the laws of thermodynamics. Whenever a virtual particle is created, it's anti-particle is created thus preserving the mass/energy balance. Which is besides the point since that only deals with sub-nuclear particles and events and a neutron star isn't sub-nuclear.

Try yet again.

i agree with Xessmithia here, Trying to do this dose indeed violate several laws of physics , were the hell would get 1.8e46 joules ?, like Xessmithia said he would need the yearly out put of a couple million super giant stars, its just impossible to do that.

The univere's laws are not the legal systems laws. There are NO loopholes, there is NO breaking them. You could at most bend them, but what your supporting is flagrantly violating the most basic of physical laws. You can have fun without breaking them you know.

You yourself said that science is evolving. There ARE loopholes. There ARE exceptions. There ARE bypasses. Why? Because its the future. Who's to say that in the future we WON'T find such things? THAT'S THE KEY.

Maybe you should also remember the science part of science fiction. Somethings just can't be done, and if someone does those things it streteches ones suspension-of-disbelief and makes it far less enjoyable.

Now here's where I call bullshit. Who are YOU to say we won't be able to do something like that in the future?

And how pray-tell does having infinite universes mean that you can ignore the physical laws of the one you're in? Even with this magic tech of yours you're still moving the Neutron star out of our universe, which will STILL violate conservation of mass/energy unless you pay roughly 2e46 Joules as a lower limit.

Again, interdimensional tech = infinite universes. Conservation no longer applies because the size of the pool has suddenly grown by infinite orders of magnitude.

And here's the kicker: If you take the neutron star out of one universe, and put it in another, there's still conservation. If you simply apply conservation laws to the Multiverse as a whole, nothing has changed.

Now stop saying "Try again" like you are somehow the authority on this. I'm not claiming that I am by any stretch of the imagination. All I am saying is that in regards to science fiction... yes, there ARE loopholes. Why? Because its the future, and its fiction, and you can't apply the indomitable laws of modern physics to every single possible situation as though they are completely unchanging!

*sighs* your logic is so flawed

Its all a matter of interpretation.

You yourself said that science is evolving. There ARE loopholes. There ARE exceptions. There ARE bypasses. Why? Because its the future. Who's to say that in the future we WON'T find such things? THAT'S THE KEY.

Science is evolving. But that doesn't mean that you can suddenly ignore old laws whenever you feel like it. Thermodynamics applies to everything it's a basic law of the universe. There is NO getting around it.



[qoute]Now here's where I call bullshit. Who are YOU to say we won't be able to do something like that in the future?[/quote]

I'm someone who knows enough that some things are impossible no matter how much we wish they weren't. Breaking conservation of energy is one of those things.



Again, interdimensional tech = infinite universes. Conservation no longer applies because the size of the pool has suddenly grown by infinite orders of magnitude.

And here's the kicker: If you take the neutron star out of one universe, and put it in another, there's still conservation. If you simply apply conservation laws to the Multiverse as a whole, nothing has changed.

You don't fucking get it do you? If you remove it from our universe, you broke conservation because you removed it from the universe. You can take it out of our universe and put anywhere you damn well please but you still break conservation in our universe.

Not only that but you break conservation in the universe you move it to as it now has extra mass/energy.

Now stop saying "Try again" like you are somehow the authority on this. I'm not claiming that I am by any stretch of the imagination. All I am saying is that in regards to science fiction... yes, there ARE loopholes. Why? Because its the future, and its fiction, and you can't apply the indomitable laws of modern physics to every single possible situation as though they are completely unchanging!

Nice argument. Oooh, it's the future now I can throw hundreds of years of scientific evidence and backing out the window :rolleyes:.

If you go back to my first post in this thread you'd notice that I said I'm not trying to stop Balrogga from taking his star. So I do realize it's fiction, but that doesn't mean I'm going to let people like you get away with butchering science.

I'll bet Balrogga's sitting in a chair, reading these posts, thinking "see what i've done" and quietly chuckling... but I could be wrong.

BTW I agree with Godular. If you recognize any form of interdimensional travel whatsoever, you are recognizing that the conservation law can be broken. That means you can't just pick and choose what it does and doesn't apply to. Why would it apply just because the object is super dense? Granted it would take an insanely huge amount of power, but all I'm saying is that you can't just suddenly decide something like this is impossible without making the same claim about a hell of alot of other stuff.

ooc: Hold on. I'd like to see where he's going...

IC:
::annoying news station theme song::
This is Sanctuary news network, your source for news anywhere in the universe.

"Mass paranoia has been reported in some areas due to the dissapearance of a neutron star. Cities are full of rioters, afraid that our star could also be purloined by these "Star Wraiths" as some are calling them. Whoever and whatever took the star, they must be more advanced than we can imagine. Joining us today on our show is Professor Ike Nowit, expert on many fields. Professor, what is your opinion on the situation?"

"Whoever did this has broken a major scientific barrier. This race has discovered ways around many physics laws in our universe. Also, the sheer power of their new toy is not to be underestimated. What happens if they attack someone using this star? It could destroy a system before anyone can respond. What if they start stealing stars? The mass panic would make conquest easy as pie."

"Thank you sir. Next on the news, John Hendrix, soccer star, has broken ninety percent of his bones in yet another drunk driving incident....."

"Thank you sir. Next on the news, John Hendrix, soccer star, has broken ninety percent of his bones in yet another drunk driving incident....."
he he he

Xess, technically just about every FTL drive out there breaks some very basic laws of physics. I'm sure you realize this, but the point I'm trying to make here is that in NS we can break physics if it improves the story we're trying to tell. Balrogga's moving of a neutron star is certainly breaking physics, but it is doing so for his story. It's not like Balrogga is going to start flinging around neutron stars as a conventional weapon. It's more of a plot device for an RP.

So please stop trying to ruin Balrogga's fun. Because if you really want to get into suspension of disbelief, then we would all be running around with STL drives and taking hundreds-thousands of years to get between nearby stars.

Xess, technically just about every FTL drive out there breaks some very basic laws of physics. I'm sure you realize this, but the point I'm trying to make here is that in NS we can break physics if it improves the story we're trying to tell. Balrogga's moving of a neutron star is certainly breaking physics, but it is doing so for his story. It's not like Balrogga is going to start flinging around neutron stars as a conventional weapon. It's more of a plot device for an RP.

So please stop trying to ruin Balrogga's fun. Because if you really want to get into suspension of disbelief, then we would all be running around with STL drives and taking hundreds-thousands of years to get between nearby stars.


Did you even read my posts? I said that I'm NOT trying to stop Balrogga from doing what he pleases. I'm defending science against buchers like Godular.

And SOD means that you, you know, suspend your disbelief about things that break physical laws. That's why I don't rant everytime someone goes to hyperspace. I only do this when things are really badly portrayed and when people support it. Like Godular here and his supporting breaking conservation of mass/energy.

Did you even read my posts? I said that I'm NOT trying to stop Balrogga from doing what he pleases. I'm defending science against buchers like Godular.

Read? Yes. Skimmed? Yes. Understood? Obviously not. :p

And SOD means that you, you know, suspend your disbelief about things that break physical laws. That's why I don't rant everytime someone goes to hyperspace. I only do this when things are really badly portrayed and when people support it. Like Godular here and his supporting breaking conservation of mass/energy.

So basically, your problem with this is that the method of Balrogga's moving a neutron star breaks some physical laws. So you wouldn't have a problem if he achieved the same effect by just applying an obscenely large amount of force to the star? After all, that doesn't break any fundamental physical laws. It just requires an ungodly amount of energy to accelerate something as massive (massful? :p) as a neutron star. ;)

Hee hee... 'Butcher'. Yer FUN-NAY.

If you would just pay more attention to MY posts, you'd notice that not once have I actually said that Conservation of Energy has been broken.

I think the most blunt term I would use for it is: "Rendered Moot".

In pretty much the exact same way that any FTL drive even thought up simply renders the concept of gamma completely moot, and by extension a decent chunk of General Relativity. Most, if not all FTL drives don't break the light speed barrier, they simply go around it.

I am TRYING to tell you that when InterDimensional tech, which is used heavily both by Balrogga and myself, is utilized, Conservation of Energy and mass is rendered a non-issue by the fact that there is suddenly no limit to the amount of matter or energy within the user's reach.

You are too focused on the singular nature of the universe, while I am focused on the multiplicity of it. If you take an object from one universe and bring it to another, there is no net change! One has lost, the other has gained. By the very nature of being able to link between parallel universes, one can combine them all into one larger whole and apply the concept of conservation to THAT.

In other words, you're focusing on the big picture. You NEED to focus on the REALLY big picture. Don't think in terms of one universe, think in terms of them all. Then you will see that with infinite universes, comes infinite matter and infinite energy, and moving an object from one to the other becomes OH so much simpler.

Don't push it through the door, push the door over it!

Science is evolving. But that doesn't mean that you can suddenly ignore old laws whenever you feel like it.

In science fiction? Yes ya can.

I'm someone who knows enough that some things are impossible no matter how much we wish they weren't. Breaking conservation of energy is one of those things.

Quit saying I'm breaking it. I'm getting around it. Just like CF said in the very use of almost any FTL drive we are already flying in the face of Gamma and relativity. Although I don't go so far as to say we 'break' it as we make it so that it no longer applies... 'getting around it'.

You don't fucking get it do you? If you remove it from our universe, you broke conservation because you removed it from the universe. You can take it out of our universe and put anywhere you damn well please but you still break conservation in our universe.

And you keep NOT getting that I am TRYING to say that by being able to establish a connection between two universes you can essentially pool the contents of both for purposes of determining violations of conservation, thereby rendering the concept 'moot'.

Nice argument. Oooh, it's the future now I can throw hundreds of years of scientific evidence and backing out the window.

Absolutely! Who's to say we WON'T find a way to bypass such concepts in the future?

You?

YER FUN-NAY!

If you take an object from one universe and bring it to another, there is no net change! One has lost, the other has gained.

Since this is the core of your argument I will respond to this. It would seem you think that the "multiverse" is like an indivdual universe. It's not. It's just what one would call the infinite number of individual universes with their own physical laws.

This means you must obbey the laws of the universe you are in. Now since you don't seem to grasp that I'll spell it out.

Universe A contains Object X with mass/energy Y
Universe B contains Object Z with mass/energy Y
Object X is moved to Universe B
Universe B now contains Objects X and Z with combined mass/energy 2Y
Universe A now has a deficit of mass/energy Y

Net change in mass/energy:
Universe A = -Y
Universe B = Y

This would violate conservation in both universes. You didn't "get around" conservation. You down right broke it. It doesn't matter if you push Object X though the door or moved the door over it. The point is it went throught the door. And that's what's impossible.

The rest of your argument about the future of science I can only say I don't know. It is however so unlikely that we will find a way to cheat thermodynamics that I'm comfortable saying it's impossible.

So basically, your problem with this is that the method of Balrogga's moving a neutron star breaks some physical laws. So you wouldn't have a problem if he achieved the same effect by just applying an obscenely large amount of force to the star? After all, that doesn't break any fundamental physical laws. It just requires an ungodly amount of energy to accelerate something as massive (massful? ) as a neutron star.

Exactly. He can have is star, I'm just going to assume he had to spend ungodly amounts of energy to do it.

It would seem you think that the "multiverse" is like an indivdual universe. It's not.

How do ya know? You have a portal to another universe locked up in your freezer that you can test your theories on?

It seems the major issue is that you consider each universe to be completely and irrevocably separate, and I consider them to all be interlinked and as easy to transit to as it is to create a wormhole. Who can say for sure which is true without actually trying to walk into another universe?

I assume one way, you assume the other. Oh well. I like mine better.

If you can create a gate between two universes, you have established a connection between the two, and there is nothing that can prevent the free exchange of energy and matter between the two. So, for the time that the gateway is open, those two universes can be considered as one.

OOC:

I would like to thank No Endorse for making an IC post. I did not expect this kind of reaction. I definately have something planned but I cannot go into any details now. If anyone else wants to make simular IC postt, the Neutron Star is allways in an unclaimed area where the possibility of no life can exist. From some back corner where people might not miss them.

The stars are being moved via a wormhole that connects dimensionally to another place in this galaxy. I move the temperary wormhole over the star and shift it to the new location. The size of the wormhole limits my star selection to only Neutron stars.

I will continue to take the stars until I have the ammount I need, then I will make a post. Other nations can "donate" stars by making IC posts like No Endorse did in reporting the first star going missing.

"Sir, we've got a strange report comming in. Apparently, Balrogga is taking neutron stars for some reason. By all reports, they already have six, possibly more. And that last one was very close to our territory, but still a ways outside it. What do we do?" Orbez asked.

"We ask Balrogga if they would not mind telling us if these stars have a peaceful usage and remind them our neutrality remains in effect. No matter their answer, we accept it and ask if they could help us in another problem when they're not busy. Now, back to planning," Enigma said, not feeling concerned. After all, the star had been in neutral space, so what business was it of his what Balrogga intended to do with it?

*MIC Pythagarus, a crucible class science vessel*

The science officer was surprised when his console suddenly started giving him readings of nearby increased wormhole activity. Local astrogation databanks didn't predict another ormhole to appear for a couple of months. He ran a trace on the phenomenon and discovered that the wormhole was active in an unpopulated neutron star system, incapable of supporting life. Something wasn't right. The wormhole was huge in comparison to the regularly appearing one's they had been studying. It had to be artificial. He pinpointed the exact location of the wormhole, and double-taked his console. The captain noticed his distress and queried him.

"Everything all right?"

"Yes, sir... uh, no sir."

"Well which is it?"

"Sir, longe-range sensors are picking up enormous amounts of energy coming from a nearby system. An artificial wormhole is being produced, and its being used to enclose the system's neutron star..."

"It's what?!"

"Hold on sir." He pressed a few keys. "Sir, the star has dissappeared, along with the wormhole. I think it was sent through..."

"Notify R&D back at TASC. Request permission to investigate the area. What I want to know is what happens to the planets or chunks of rock that don't have a sun to orbit anymore..."

"On it, sir."

OOC: Last post was supposed to be DLE, not Sarkaraseta.

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I'll say this... then quietly leave...

Good Science Fiction is the art of telling the laws of physics to bend over and take it in the most believable way possible.

Durant System

The Durant System lay forgotten on all star maps. Its importance only noted because of the dual star system consisting of a dying red star with its lifeblood being siphoned off by its companion, a neutron star.

The beauty of the display was only a minor note to the robotic surveyor that only remained in the system long enough to make a general map before going to the next target in it’s program.

That was centuries ago and the system remained empty except for the occasional use by pirates, who ended up leaving because of the bleak landscape and inconveniant distance from any shipping lanes.

Several ships faded into view as they dropped into Real Space, completing several scans, and then signaled their companions. Six mountainous vessels faded into existence near the Neutron star, carefully avoiding the plasma trail from the ravaged companion.

They assumed positions near both poles just outside the Schwarzschild Radius. The tips of the ships dubbed “Star Wraiths” by the press of various other nations began to glow with a purple light. The glow from the ships flowed and covered the neutron star. The Star Wraiths and the captured star faded from the universe.

The plasma slowly swirled in the place where the hungry neutron star was before being pulled back into the red star by its gravitational pull.



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Thanks for the name of the ships. I had one but yours is better. I officially give No Endorse credit and will use the name for these vessels.

For the record, that is 8 known so far.

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This is a RP forum. The stuff here isn't real. That give us creative license to come up with what ever scenerios we want. Our limits are our minds.

i.e.: My nation develops atom-phase engines. [Some will say GODMOD] These engines distort the atoms of a ship apart, and then reassamble them at the destination, while storing all passangers in a, best way to say it, interdimensonal bubble in atomspace. I created this because in one RP, my fleet came out of atomspace right into enemy ships, and bonded with them.

Why can't he move a neautron star? I don't care as long as he isn't being unrealistic to an extreme extent. If I feel so, i'd just ignore. Which I advise everyone who disagrees to do.

The Case of the Missing Neutron Stars! What the hell is Balrogga doing with them?

Neutrons Nicked! Isn't there a galactic police out there?!

Stolen Stars Snatched! Crazy Balrogga!

All over Coreworlds, headlines like these were reported as news of more neutron stars pilfered, nabbed, hijacked and mugged from out under the noses of the galaxy reached the ears of the people. The military brass is clamoring for research into how Balrogga is doing ths, but right now it's all spectulation on how and why. It is hoped and yet not hoped that the reason for this would be given out soon.

::annoying news station theme song::
"This is Sanctuary News Network, your source for news anywhere in the universe."

"Welcome to S-N-N, I'm Lynda Harpie.

Top story today: More Neutron stars have dissapeared, increasing paranoia in several systems with small stars that they might be next. Scientists have noted, however, that only neutron stars have been taken. Several theories have been put forth, some wild, and some impossible.

One of the leading theories is that a neutron star is more useful than any other type for the civilization that took them. Any group that needs stars is obviously quite advanced. It is highly possible that these stars are being used in giant reactors, in order to produce energy for huge devices.

Another, less popular theory is that the mass of the neutron star is such that it is east to phase out of realspace. Critics of this theory point at black holes, mentioning that they are theoreticly much easier to phase out.

A final theory, only supported by a handful of fanatical scientists, at a small lab on the frontier, states that possibly it is because the wormholes created are only large enough for a neutron star. They cite an apparent breakdown of the energy-size relation at high energy levels for wormholes, where as energy increases exponentially, wormhole size increases geometricly. Opponets cite the lack of Brown and White dwarfs taken, and that any group capable of taking a neutron star should be able to easily grab any size they want, as energy seems not to be a problem.

Whatever the reason, their interest in neutron stars has been noted across the universe, generating comments from groups such as Coreworlds. Our own government has released a statement today, commenting that they, quote, "have no idea who did it, and no idea why. Hopefully this will get cleared up in the not too distant future."

Next up, soccer star John Hendrix is still in the hospital in critical condition after his newest drunk driving accident destroyed ninety percent of his bones. And, a new cult? The "Cult of the Star Wraiths," a group believeing that these machines are instruments of the apocalypse has begun gaining followers like wildfire. We'll take you on an in-depth look at their beliefs, and their path to salvation. But first, a word from our sponsors...."

ooc: I just made up the name "Star Wraith" as a kinda nickname the populace in my nation would use lol, but thanks :D

The Issus System. Home to a single neutron star and an asteroid field. No civilisation existed this far from galactic population centers, and for good reason. The resources of the field were long ago exhausted by miners from a bygone era. A small ship, a corvette perhaps, orbited around the star, waiting with its cloaking device active. Space around the star warped, and the Star Wraiths materialized. Onboard, members from the Cult of the Star Wraiths sat in anticipation. Their day to meet their maker had come. Every one of them knew in her or his heart that their salvation was assured if they left with this star. None of them expected to collide with an asteroid. The last thing most of the believers saw was the warp distortion dragging them towards the star. Then the hull buckled, and melted into a bullet that hit the star, having no effect whatsoever.

The Star Wraiths didn't notice, they kept on going. The star dissapeared, and the asteroid field dispersed.

ooc: No one will notice these people missing except the heads of the cult. This is just a set up for a cult thing, not something that will incur military action, etc later on. Will delete if requested.

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As long as I am not blamed, go ahead and tie other plots to this thing. We are here to have fun after all...

For the record, there are 13 known so far.

.:On board the Quick Star Observation Ship:.

"Sir, we are picking up some strange reports from all over the place. Many nations news stations are reporting Neutron Stars disappearing, supposedly stolen by Balrogga. We also noticed one being taken out in Quadrant 293. Quite frankly sir, some funky shit is going on. What should we do?" Ensign O'Niel said in astonishmet.

Looking up from his book Captain Berain gave the Ensign a funny look.

"What do you mean, stealing a neutron star? That is just crazy. The sens... Wait a minute, you said that this ship picked up the readings as well?" the Captain said in an astonished tone.

"Yessir." came the Ensigns reply.

"Well, then it must be true, keep tabs on the situation and I expect a full report in 24 hours." the Captain ordered.

OOC: Can't wait to see where this goes

"You'd think it was Carmen Sandiego stealing all the neutron stars the way the news was carrying on these days." Detective Urameshi chuckled as he read the paper.

"Well, it is something she'd do, but she hasn't been active in years." Agent Zachary Kingston replied. Then his pager beeped. "Uh, scratch what I said, she's just stolen Orion's Belt."

"Need help with the case?" Yusuke asked.

The fair-haired detective thought about it, then shrugged. "Yeah, sure."

The two detectives soon headed off to stop her...once again.

An old white-haired man walked up on the temporary outdoor stage, and prepared to address the gathered masses beneath his gaze. As his gaze flew over the crowd, it stopped at certain points. Posters, cars, a group of picknickers eating and laughing on the grass, even a dog.

"Friends, Countrymen, Brothers of the way! We are gathered here on the lawn of our headquarters on Haven to announce the salvation of some of our bretheren! A Corellian Engineering CR-90 Corvette traveled to the Issus system in search of Salvation and Eternal Happiness. By the power of the Star Wraiths, and their all-knowing all-seeing master, they have been set free!"

A great roar of approval swelled form the crowd. A few people fell to the ground in esctacy, and many cried tears of joy.

"Yes. But, we must not halt in our endevours to join them. We are here to unveil our vessel of salvation! We have bought an old Victory class Star Destroyer. Crewed by followers of the way, we will hyper from system to system in search of freedom!" Tears now came to even his eyes. "The vessel has been renamed the Wraith Seeker, and it shall take us to safety!"

The crowd again broke into cheering, and there was a mad rush of people trying to be the first to get on a shuttle bound for the aged craft. Some were trampled, and ambulances screemed their way into the grounds.

Shuttle after shuttle transported men, women, and children onto the ancient vessel, and repair droids worked franticly to recondition the main engine and shield arrays for hyperspacial transit. Foodstuffs were brought into the main holds, and other holds were filled with bunks. All told, Almost ten thousand people were crowded on a vessel made to hold seven.

The vessel, finally full, turned and initiated an out-of-system jump. Unfortionatly, a refugee ship, the Siren was incoming on the same vector. Its occupants were trying to get to Haven soon enough to hop onboard the Cult's starship and leave with them. The collision occured at the edge of hyperspace, and both vessels were completly anhilated down to their atoms. The energy from the collision mostly manifested as an EMP, good news for everyone on the planet, and the remaining matter formed a cloud of dense material.


The Next Day:
::annoying news station theme song::
"This is Sanctuary News Network, your source for news anywhere in the universe."

"Welcome to S-N-N, I'm Lynda Harpie.

Today, the entire Cult of the Star Wraith has mysteriously dissapeared. Their stregnth is unknown, but every man, woman, and child who was part of or is affiliated with the cult seems to have dropped off the face of the universe. We will keep you updated as this story progresses. One thing is for sure though, the missing cultists may be missed less than we anticipated, as their estimated numbers puts them around ten thousand at the highest.

In other news, electromagnetic anomalies above Haven have shorted out most telescopes and kept almost all craft grounded. Scientists suspect a temporal anomaly or possibly a hyperspacial collision, but there is no evidence of either yet. We will keep you posted on this story as well.

Coming up, Soccer star John Hendrix has finally left the hospital and is now in outpacient care. He, quote, "Had great fun at the time, but the stopping part wasn't too hot." Also, a Victory class star destroyer has dissapeared from its berth in the scrapyards of Sanctuary two. First, the weather.

ooc: You will not get blamed for this. It was a hyperspacial collision, and they happen from time to time lol. It will end up being blamed on a malfunction in the traffic control center over Haven, and a major overhaul will be commenced to bring the station back up to code.

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That was hillarious! Keep using your imagination. You are truely creative.


There are 14 known Neutron Stars missing to date

::bumps thread::

By Jonathon Doe, Associated Press Writer

There is a real question circulating throughout both the scientific community as well as several of the governments these days. It seems there are dozens of missing Neutron Stars and nobody knows where they have gone to.

Several weeks ago a forgotten survey satellite caught a fleeting glimpse of several large ships, called Star Wraiths by several nations. These ships seemingly ignored the commonly held laws of physics by stealing the neutron stars out of several unclaimed systems. Nobody knows where these stars have been taken but it has lead to several concerns to be voiced by many of the governments we have contacted.

Apparently a cult has also formed around the appearance of these Star Wraiths. The whereabouts of this cult is unknown so we could not get a report about their beliefs. They have disappeared a couple weeks ago without any trace of their current location.

Several government authorities seem to be concerned by these events. I recently spoke with our correspondent from No Endorse and he had this to report:

"Whoever did this has broken a major scientific barrier. This race has discovered ways around many physics laws in our universe. Also, the sheer power of their new toy is not to be underestimated. What happens if they attack someone using this star? It could destroy a system before anyone can respond. What if they start stealing stars? The mass panic would make conquest easy as pie."

As we know more we will be sure to report to our readers and viewers.


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There are 25 known Neutron Stars missing to date

Mixed in with the usual headlines of "War!" was an unusual one. "Neutron Star Missing, System Falls to Piecies".

~~~Flaming Souls Observation Station Gamma~~~

The observation station lay silent, drifting lightyears from where it should be. The planet it had been built on had drifted some distance since the neutron star that was the center of the system it was in had been stolen.

Resonating across the reaches was the last message from the station.

Damn you Balrogga, we so called that one, get back here now or we will have to...damn it's getting cold in here...could you please bring us back the star? Please? It's cold...

In principle, I agree with TFU, but only in the sense of "where will this stop?" Shit, pretty soon, we'll have nations drawing on the interdimensional forces of the temporal shifting wormholes in the outer regions of the 16th layer of the past kingdoms of the transportal regions of the newly discovered universe of...........well, you catch my point.
On the other hand, FT is FT. Only 36 years ago, the possibility of landing a man on the moon was accomplished after hundreds of years of saying it was impossible. Who knows what lies out in space? ( OK, you Trekkies, so you guys know.) Anyway, it should be much the same as MT...be responsible, and at the very least, make it plausible.

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That's 26 stars now.

Anyone else want to RP a "donation" before I wrap this up? I'll give you another few days. I have a specific number in mind and I will post when I hit that quanity.

Also, the Star Wraiths never were decorated with the Imperial Marking of the Balrogga Empire so most people might not know it was my ships taking them.

OOC: seeing as we are in the ESUS like you and have encountered you briefly in the past, I do believe we would recognize your *ahem* unique *ahem* energy patters from your ships.

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I was referring to general knowlege

Mephista sat upon her throne. The ivory of the bones gleamed in the dim light. A servent aproached her and fell upon his face. He remained prostrated before his Goddess as was protocol. Mephista let his lay there so he would contemplate his fate. After a few minutes she looked at him and snarled.

"What are you doing down there, dog?"

"Mistress, we have gotten a report from a raiding party. The Alderan Sector is missing stars. There are three neutron stars missing off our starcharts. They were there over a month ago but now there is no trace of them."

"What! Who in the name of the Gods of Chaos could have done such a thing? I want a ship sent about a light month away to watch the stars to see who did this. When the light reaches the watchers, record the theives. I want this power identified immediately."

"Yes Mistress. Your humble servent will do so immediately." The servant crawled the required distance away from Mephista before rising to his feet and rushed off to carry out the orders of the Goddess.


ooc there are three more stars. Hurry up, I want to see where this is going.

Onboard the Temporal Sensor Station on the moon of Terra, alarms were going off, literally, 4 more neutron stars had gone missing from nearby systems, and it had torn a rift in space. A cruiser had been dispatched to repair this, but this entire affair was getting out of hand.

33 Neutron stars. What the hell was Balrogga doing? This entire crisis was drawing nations from the woodwork, looking for their lost stars.

The area was already destabilizing, 2 of the neutron stars had been close together, and now, with their abscence, space was tearing itself apart from lack of the gravitational forces. Soon, the rifts might pierce the STC, and then it would become an true crisis. The temporal incursion fleet was standing by, and messages had been sent to all nations affiliated with the affair.


Messsage to Affiliated nations:
We have begun to repair the space that has been effected by the loss of several Neutron stars. This is an issue that effects us all, any temporal rifts, or gravitational rifts should be reported immediately so they can be dealt with, should the nation be incapable of sealing such rifts themselves.

Threshold System, within the edge of the Balrogga Empire:



The Star Wraiths faded into Real Space. A base has been prepared and moved into position. The planets in the system had been stripped for materials and used for the construction of the Core. The reminants have been removed to prevent interferance. The specialized version of the standard System Defense Network (SDN) had been constructed and put into place before anything had been started. The silent watchers looked for any sign of intrusion in several variations of existences including subspace and hyperspaces.

In the center of the system, there was the final neutron star needed. The Star Wraiths approached the lone remaining inhabitant of the system and carefully nudged in close. The tips of the mountain sized vessels began to glow with a purple light and the ships faded away, along with the star. About an hour later several dozen neutron stars faded into view spread around the entire system. The precise location for each neutron star had been calculated taking into effect the massive gravitational fields generated.


Aboard The Station the crew was busy coordinating the fleet of Star Wraiths in their tasks.

“Commander, 24 is off by 0.231%, correcting position and establishing the DA”

“Good eye, that mistake could have caused a disaster. Keep up the good work.”

“Thank you Sir. Number 25 is positioned and locked. Beginning transference of Number 26.”

Another Neutron star faded into view. The Star Wraiths hovered for a few minutes before fading away.

“Control established in T-Space and DA engaged. We are ready to start with Number 27…”

This continued on until all 37 stars were positioned exactly where they needed to be. At the center of the system where each gravity field overlapped, a dark area formed and a wormhole formed.

“Move The Station out to the edge of the system where it won’t be affected by the gravity and position The Core.”

“Yes Sir.”

The station accelerated away from the gravitational display and stopped once it got to the edge of the system. The metallic sphere of The Core faded from existence as it transferred itself into T-Space. From there it moved to the center of the system and then went under another translocation. The area around the Core rippled as it open a portal to Upper Space. The giant construct entered the shimmering field and it disappeared. The Core reappeared in Upper Space, commonly known as the 14th dimension. The Core deployed several control arms and the AI connected with the ones aboard the Star Wraiths and the AI aboard The Station.

“We are ready to begin the test, Sir”

“Proceed with the test.”

“Yes Sir.”

The AI aboard The Station linked to the one aboard The Core. The instructions were processed and relayed to the AIs controlling the Star Wraiths. The Star Wraiths locked upon the DA established with their neutron stars and began to move them in a specific order to certain specified coordinates, shaping the gravitational field.

“Gravity Lens established. Generating wormhole. Sir.”

At the center a point of light appeared and began to grow into a wormhole. The wormhole appeared to be unstable.

“Sir, the event needs stabilization. I am feeding in a stream of Negative Energy. That seems to be doing the trick.”

“Launch the probe. Instruct it to enter the event and record everything. Perform total scans. Afterwards, return to The Station.”

“Yes Sir.”

After a few seconds, a probe was launched from The Station and it entered the wormhole.

“Sir, we are receiving a data stream. It appears to have emerged about ten light years from CoreWorld's current homeworld. The probe is returning through the wormhole.”

With a flash, the probe emerged from the light and flew back to The Station.

“It appears the first test is a success. Keep running tests and record the coordinates so we can get a galactic directory set up.”

“Yes Sir.”




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The Neutron stars are used to create a gravitational lens to focus the other end of the wormhole to the coordinates specified by the controllers. The stars are kept at a minimum spin so they will not become pulsars, unless someone tries to invade. There will be a fleet stationed here to further persuade others from invading. I will use this to allow nations passage to other areas. Mostly it will be limited to trade purposes and exploration.

This is mostly a plot device, not a military weapon. I will start a Thread for the use of the Worm Hole Device (WHD) later.

The Thread is located HERE (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8973843#post8973843).

This Thread has been designated the OOC comment Thread. If you have any suggestions, please post them here.

Thanks.