NationStates Jolt Archive

The Great Leader Li stared at his nation dossier. He was bored and wanted to firebomb something in the worst way.

He flicked through his nation dossier...

Ah... here was one, Hataria, a nation crippled by inept leaders, poverty, and war. They would make good victims, and the survivors good slaves under the hammer and sickle.

He gave the order.

"Ubercarrier groups 1-6, Air Armadas 1-5, and Marine Army 1 to move to within 250 miles of Hataria's shores and wait for my orders."

1 Ubercarrier Group:

*1 SeaDragon Class Ubercarrier with
600 ASF-06 Coral Dragons, 400 ASF-04 Valkyrie, 150 ASF-05 Eagles, 50 G80Ns
*2 Zheng He Uberbattleships
*5 Nexus Class battlecarriers.
With 5 G80Ns, 50 ASF-06 Coral Dragons, 30 ASF-04 Valkyries and 35 ASF-05 Eagles each.
*1 Draconis Class Uberarsenalship
*5 Jason Class Theater Defense ships.
*30 SeaClaw Class Cruisers
*30 Sea Leopard Class Destroyers
*30 Sea Fang Class Destroyers.
*50 Freddy ASW/CIWS ships.
*10 Flipper Class Arsenal Ships
*5 Velociraptor Class Arsenal Ships
*100 TT-110 Transports stocked with goodies and supplies
*25 Sea Snake Class Nuclear Subs
*5 UTT-110 Subtender

1 Marine Army:
75,000 men.
100 DT-115 Drone Tanks
1,200 T-125 Proletariat Main Battle Tanks
500 MRLS-6 rockets
1200 MA-105 Artillery Tanks.
5,000 CF-120 IFVs
10,000 VBL utlity vehicles.
22,000 Supply Trucks.

All of this mounted on 50 CTC-110 amphibious transport ships.

1 Air Armada:

600 ASF-06 Coral Dragons
100 G80 Ls.
50 G80 Cs
50 G80 Paveways
400 ASF-04 Valkyries

OOC: Whoa. I got to Tag this. I hope this will be a good read.

[tag]

Tag.

Message to the Hatarian Government:

"Ever considered your future as a state? No? Start planning now. Either you surrender to me and my occupational forces, or I get to light up your nation like a Christmas tree. The lives of millions depends upon your choice. "-The Great Leader Li.

To prove he was serious, the Great Leader ordered video feed of thousands of A/STSAS-1 Red Raven cruise missiles on his Uberarsenalships (Arsenal Ship Superdreadnoughts) being prepped for firing.

Transmission from unknown Axis Nova station to MP fleet

You will stand down and retreat now, or your naval forces off the coast of South Africa will be obliterated.

Transmission Ends

OOC: My bet is you probably wouldn't be able to make a response that quickly.

Secret IC to the MassPwnage government

To: The Great Leader Li
From: Prime Minister Timothy Ell, Agustinate of Defence Eleftherios Venizelos Jr.

The Agustinate of Defence and I commend you highly on your decision to militarily castrate this aging, malodorous, archaic, jingoistic skunk of a nation, and I am prepared to aid you in a minor, secretive fashion. We, as the Pacitalian nation, will provide army release Beretta 20FK machine guns with plenty of 8.95mm armour-piercing ammunition rounds, and give you the usage of up to forty (40) New Generation Godrods and fifteen (15) RSICGMs. Anything else you need may be provided upon request. Good hunting, my friend.

ooc; not only can't Axis Nova respond, I'm ignoring him.

To the Government of Pacitalia:

"Hmm.... we have no need for the machineguns or the godrods... however, if you could clear out some warhouse space... I wish to store some supplies in Pacitalia so that my fleet trains don't have to travel as far to the combat zone."-The Great Leader Li.

OOC: Tag, and MP aren't you a bit to heavily entangled in SA and the Indian with me to be sending off all these forces to invade somone else?

ooc: I have 16 ubercarrier groups, 9 are off of SA.

(Hataria hasn't done anything wrong and you're attacking him?)

ooc: Well, i just want to destroy Hataria's viability as a nation.

ooc: Well, i just want to destroy Hataria's viability as a nation.

(Now I feel like defending Hataria...)

ooc: Well, i just want to destroy Hataria's viability as a nation.
[OOC: ICly it sounds like a good idea to me =)]

Official Praetonian Government Post of Tacit Approval

I give you props on you plan. Why do I give you a Company of Scud-B's with a 300 Kt warhead(30 Scud vehicles.) Goodluck. Don't spend it on one place.

ooc: i don't RP with WMDs.

ooc: i don't RP with WMDs.

OOC: Then you are a good person. Hataria will use WMDs, when he/she gets pushed into a corner.

ooc: i don't RP with WMDs.

OCC: Never mind then. I you need some here's my 911-call card.

The Parthian navy cut through the wine dark waters as the massive Shah Ardeshir sailed through the seas towards Hataria. Hundreds of transports surrounded the superdreadnoughts and carriers, filled to the brim with trained Parthian soldiery. Surrounding the fleet were many escorts, crusisers, destroyers, frigates, and to the front of the fleet were submarines. Admiral Bakhtiar looked out at the prow of his flagship and over to the Parthia a Pwnage made ubercarrier boasting enough planes to put most small nations off the map. The Shah knew the expedition would be successful, and the admiral shared his thoughts.

You can have warehouse space, yes. Just look at the map [[in my factbook]] and tell me where the best spot would be.

- T.E.

The Hatarian Military was on full aert now, a nation known as MassPwnage declaced War on The Hatarian Empire. With That, Empress Serena ordered The Imperial Navy to send a Fleet to attack the enemy. Pwnage would have to have 10,000 Ships to beat the Hatarian Imperial Navy and The land Forces.

Hatarian Army in Hataria: 21,000,000 Troops all Active!

Hatarian Fleet that will Fight the enemy

7 Golden Queen Galaxia Class Air Craft Carriers (With 45 F-18's, 39 MiG-25's and 48 Sivik-78 Sea Killers in each Ship.)
10 Republic Class Destroyers
12 Neherenia Class Battleships
12 Empire Class Destroyers
9 Bugeain Class Gunboats
3 Carvavr Class Helicopter Carriers (with 56 Cobra Attack Helicopters in each ship.)
14 Sharktooth Class Battleships
23 Tangalee Class Attack Subs
31 Sea Wolf Class Sub
32 Hataropoils Class Cuirse Missile Subs

Now The enemy will See the Hatarian Military under Empress Serena of Hataria

Bump

Pwnage Marine General Robyn Hu and Pwnage Admiral Chen Ziangzhen were laughing their asses off at the public announcement.

"Dear god... 21 million troops? Armed with what? Sticks? Anyway... a swift radar sweep by a followed by satellite scanning should find that so-called 'fleet'." Chen laughed and poured himself another martini.

Anyway... the radar did sweep, and the satellites quickly found the fleet, which was bloated with battleships and waaay too many capital ships.

Chen finished his martini.

"Alright, engage surface units...."

The arsenal ships of the Pwnage fleet locked on and fired. They first fired a wave of 1282 EMP missiles to fry Hatarian peripherals, then 10 seconds later, followed with a massive barrage of A/STSAN-6 Black Raptor anti-shipping missiles, over 70 for each Hatarian surface ship.

The airwings got ready to take off...

Pwnage Marine General Robyn Hu and Pwnage Admiral Chen Ziangzhen were laughing their asses off at the public announcement.

"Dear god... 21 million troops? Armed with what? Sticks? Anyway... a swift radar sweep by a followed by satellite scanning should find that so-called 'fleet'." Chen laughed and poured himself another martini.

Anyway... the radar did sweep, and the satellites quickly found the fleet, which was bloated with battleships and waaay too many capital ships.

Chen finished his martini.

"Alright, engage surface units...."

The arsenal ships of the Pwnage fleet locked on and fired. They first fired a wave of EMP missiles to fry Hatarian peripherals, then 10 seconds later, followed with a massive barrage of A/STSAN-6 Black Raptor anti-shipping missiles, over 70 for each Hatarian surface ship.

The airwings got ready to take off...

OOC: I think you didn't get my TG, well, It looks like no one told him yet.

IC: The Fleet Detected The Incoming Missiles, and Fired 100 45-Deatheater Anti-Misslie Cuirse Missiles and A/UAIAN Anti-Shiping Missiles at the enemy Missiles and Ships. At the same time, The Planes took off from The Carriers and The Subs head for the enemy Fleet.

The Hatarian Air Force also sent their planes, 50 B-2 Bombers armed with Bunkerbuster and Bockbusters to sink the enemy Carriers and troop ships. The Army head for the Coast, most of it Armored Divisions.

OOC: Take That!

ooc: just reply.

21,000,000 Troops all Active!

OOC: Hataria, just so you know, youd only be able to be able to field a force this large for six months, maybe a year if you do it right. But these would be lightly armed, poorly trained personnel and would resemble a militia more than an organized army. Any longer than that, no matter how loyal your people are, they will be more loyal to their lives and you will more than likely get mass amounts of desertions, starvation in most of your cities and so on.

Also, congrats to you Hataria, besides that little discrepency it seems as though you have gotten a little better with the whole role playing thing. Ill be watching this closely.

OOC: I think you didn't get my TG, well, It looks like no one told him yet.

IC: The Fleet Detected The Incoming Missiles, and Fired 100 45-Deatheater Anti-Misslie Cuirse Missiles and A/UAIAN Anti-Shiping Missiles at the enemy Missiles and Ships. At the same time, The Planes took off from The Carriers and The Subs head for the enemy Fleet.

The Hatarian Air Force also sent their planes, 50 B-2 Bombers armed with Bunkerbuster and Bockbusters to sink the enemy Carriers and troop ships. The Army head for the Coast, most of it Armored Divisions.

OOC: Take That!

ooc: alrighty... explain, how did my several thousand missiles not sink any of your ships, how many missiles are you firing exactly? Why didn't my EMPs cripple your radar?

The pathetically small volley of missiles were shot down by 3 volleys of 1,000 SAMs each.

1 cruise missile got through though, bouncing off the hull of a Nexus class Battlecarrier.

Meanwhile, the Pwnage airwings leapt into action against the B-52s and Hatarian airplanes, first closing to within 100nm of the Hatarian air units, then firing.

A combined total of 6,000 A/ATAAA-5 Phoneix Vs flew at the Hatarian airplanes, boosting to Mach 8 before impacting.

The ships just zigzagged away from the bunkerbusters. Unfortunately, an ubercarrier suffered 2-3 hits due to its huge size. The bunkerbusters hit the fight decks of the ubercarriers. 1 of them bounced off the 20 ft. of deck armor, 2 more slammed into the deck armor and exploded, causing minor damage to the ubercarrier.

ooc: I have 16 ubercarrier groups, 9 are off of SA.

ooc: And you're supporting 16 carrier groups on your pop how exactly? :rolleyes:

edit: 16 carrier groups each with an aircraft carrier that can somehow support 1200 aircraft. Wow. :rolleyes:

ooc: alrighty... explain, how did my several thousand missiles not sink any of your ships, how many missiles are you firing exactly? Why didn't my EMPs cripple your radar?

OOC:I made sure that My Radar was Shelded from EMP Weapons, incase I was to fight someone with EMP weapons, and The Anti Missile Weapons I have use EMPs and you forgot about the B-2s heading your way

ooc: And you're supporting 16 carrier groups on your pop how exactly? :rolleyes:

edit: 16 carrier groups each with an aircraft carrier that can somehow support 1200 aircraft. Wow. :rolleyes:

It seems as though both are gonna godmod so theres no reason to even try axis.


OOC:I made sure that My Radar was Shelded from EMP Weapons, incase I was to fight someone with EMP weapons, and The Anti Missile Weapons I have use EMPs and you forgot about the B-2s heading your way

You wanna tell us how the EMp sheilding works? Otherwise its a blatent godmode

OOC: MP doesn't godmode. Hataria is a different story.

It seems as though both are gonna godmod so theres no reason to even try axis.




You wanna tell us how the EMp sheilding works? Otherwise its a blatent godmode


OOC:Just like what The US has, and don't ask me how EMP Sheilding on USAF Planes work, becuase I do not know.

and MP's Pop is smaller then mine (which is up in the billions now.) so I think that is why he is going to lose.

and I also have one WMD more deadly then any other WMD...Assassins. Ninjas and Hitmen mostly, so MP can say good bye to any Government people.

OOC:Just like what The US has, and don't ask me how EMP Sheilding on USAF Planes work, becuase I do not know.
[OOC: Just so you know, the US does not have fully shielded planes. It is a physical impossibility to shield radar, guidance, control surfaces etc... therefore, although it is possible for your plane to physically survive, it cant do the following things:

1) See.

2) Fire weapons.

3) Maneuver.]

OOC:Just like what The US has, and don't ask me how EMP Sheilding on USAF Planes work, becuase I do not know.

and MP's Pop is smaller then mine (which is up in the billions now.) so I think that is why he is going to lose.

and I also have one WMD more deadly then any other WMD...Assassins. Ninjas and Hitmen mostly, so MP can say good bye to any Government people.

OOC: Yeah, but he will win because I am on his side. Also, I don't think its possible to assasinate Li or the Shah, too much security.

Praetonia is right, you cannot shield radars.

OOC: Still a godmode, Hataria. "Don't ask me how it works because I don't know", well, don't use the technology then. It's as simple as that.

MP, those RSICGMs are still available to you if you need them.

OOC: Actually, anti-Electro Magnetic Pulse tech is simple...

EMP pulses are energy waves, operating on wavelengths that disrupt other energy wavelengths. One way of shielding is running a system on a totally different wavelength of energy than the EMP is designed to disrupt, or lining the devices and wires with lead, even a thin layer will do, as lead absorbs most forms of energy wavelengths, as was displayed when the USA conducted Nuclear tests. Example: Most US Government bomb shelters are EMP shielded with layers of lead.

However, radar is not able to be shielded, as the lead would absorb the radar waves.

I am also dissapointed that you guys are still picking on Hataria, he's doing loads better.

[OOC: Siesatia, no offence, but you don't know what you're talking about. Electromagnetic waves are different to electric current, ie. EM waves are light, and current is electricity.]

ooc: There's a small issue: If you shield a peripheral, such as radar, it will stop working, because lead absorbs ALL energy.

Bomb shelters running wires to silos don't need peripherals, as most are nuclear bomb shelters, and the missiles usually have targets preselected/are general area destruction weapons.

Meanwhile, a thing like a plane, needs external targeting systems that cannont be shielded for fear of rendering said targeting system useless. Same goes for a ship. Although the EMP won't stop the ship from sailing etc. it will leave it blind.

[OOC: Siesatia, no offence, but you don't know what you're talking about. Electromagnetic waves are different to electric current, ie. EM waves are light, and current is electricity.]

Actually, they are complex radio frequency wave forms generated by a nuclear device being detonated in the atmosphere. Radio frequencies have an doccumented effect on electrical frequencies, and even on the electrical impulses in our brains.
Light would have very little effect on electrical current unless it was photosensitive.

It would also help to know how he generates the EMP effect... Please explain.

[QUOTE=MassPwnage]ooc: There's a small issue: If you shield a peripheral, such as radar, it will stop working, because lead absorbs ALL energy.[QUOTE]

I adressed that

The EMP volley wasn't to shut down his ships, but to ruin his peripherals.

[OOC: http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm Although you are, to an extent, right, it isn't the EM radiation (which is light, although not necessarily visible light) that directly causes damage but the electrons released by its reaction with the environment... therefore simply giving it radiation shielding would not work in the way you suggest.]

ooc: Let's see here.. A November 2004 nation declares war on Hataria. Scores of nations, including NationStates veterans, approve of this action, even though the reason for launching the war was that his leader 'was bored and wanted to firebomb something.'

A reason that is, in essence, no better than, 'OMG! I w4nt to pWn j00! Bow be4 M3!'

Shameful. I am tempted to join Hataria's side.

Boohoo, EMP is being shielded against, ffs guys, it isn't even a real battle, now, let them carry on the fight so we can see who win's...yeash...

ooc; problem, my attack hinges on the EMP missiles shutting down the peripherals of Hataria's ships, so my follow up missile barrage.

Also, Hataria, there's no way you could have taken 0 losses from my missile barrage.

ooc; problem, my attack hinges on the EMP missiles shutting down the peripherals of Hataria's ships, so my follow up missile barrage.

Also, Hataria, there's no way you could have taken 0 losses from my missile barrage.

ooc: *cough* Just like you didnt take any damage from his missles?

ooc: he fired 100 missiles at me. I fired several thousand. There's a slight difference.

ooc: he fired 100 missiles at me. I fired several thousand. There's a slight difference.
ooc: But... missles are missles, no?

ooc: well, let's see, i still took hits from what hataria threw at me. Hataria didn't take a single hit.

ooc: But... missles are missles, no?
[OOC: And he launched about 3,000 SAAMs at them. It's realistic, therefore, to take no losses. On the other hand, if Hataria fires again he wont have many SAAMs left...]

ooc: well, let's see, i still took hits from what hataria threw at me. Hataria didn't take a single hit.

ooc: Point taken. I still think you two should try to be more fair; i.e. not suffering ANY losses on either side in a massive naval battle... Shame, it seemed like a good read at first.

OCC: MassPwnage, Calm down. I trust your judgement that Hataria took none of your hits. If you keep blaming him. He my call the Moderators to disband this thread and protect little Hataria. Maybe Hataria paid the Mods with drugs or is a Mod's pet. :) Hataria hs godmoded more than I have, so heres an IGNORE SADARM Cannon shell for you. I don't know how he figure every action you took, but use this action against him.

Since this is OCC, I can tell you use agents to disrupt his economy, black-out his cities, use Infomation Warfare aka. Cyberterrorism on his ships like in Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory. Works everytime. If you need help call me.

The EMP volley wasn't to shut down his ships, but to ruin his peripherals.

yes, but how did you generate it?

ooc: http://science.howstuffworks.com/e-bomb3.htm
How i generate EMP blasts.

A reason that is, in essence, no better than, 'OMG! I w4nt to pWn j00! Bow be4 M3!'

It wasn't really that. It was really just MP's decision to attempt to destroy Hataria so he doesn't keep warring for no reason like the Energizer Bunny. And Parthia and I support that.

It wasn't really that. It was really just MP's decision to attempt to destroy Hataria so he doesn't keep warring for no reason like the Energizer Bunny. And Parthia and I support that.

OOC: Exactly, he's VERY imperialistic, worse than most nations.

IC:
The Parthian fleet sailed out 150 miles from the Pwnage fleet, keeping their distance so the troops the Parthian fleet would land could take a large area while Masspwnage did the same, effectivley doubling the area of control. However, a new transmission dictated a new set of plans.



From the Department of Intelligence

To Admiral Bakhtiar

We have reports of Hataria moblizing full military forces of 21 million men, since they are reservists and conscripts, they would not be too much of a problem, but I fear divided forces could allow them to overrun each of us. In addition, a large Hatarian naval force are preparing to engage our allies. You are hereby ordered to hit the opposing forces in the flank in defense of our
allies.



The admiral repeated the orders, and the fleet was turning off towards the Masspwnage vessels, miles away.

(You could be doing so many more productive things. But in the end you're going to feel empty anyway... no I'm not kidding >.>)

The Republic of The Cassiopeia Galaxy Declares that MassPwnage has no right to conqer Hataria, which is our Ally, and ensalve it's civilians. We are sending the fallowing

2 Discworlds
5 Battlecurisers
23 Bianu Class Gunships
3 Destroyers
3,675 Starfighters of all types
56 Landing Ships

156 Droid Divisions with 436,281 Battle Droids, 32,000 Destroyer Droids, 23,000 Speeder Bike Riders (With Speeders.), 67 Hellfire Droids, 100 Tank Droids, 67 Tri-walkers, 45 Tank Walkers and 56 Spider Walkers in Each Division

12 Hammerhead Class Battle Subs
3,412 Manta Class Sub Fighters

OOC: Hataria asked me to help him, The Captial Ships will not Bombard your Army, you will Face The Droid Army, Star Fighters and The Subs.

and Hataria said something about some nation named Sephrioth Coming to Attack him, and one know who Sephrioth is???

The Republic of The Cassiopeia Galaxy Declares that MassPwnage has no right to conqer Hataria, which is our Ally, and ensalve it's civilians. We are sending the fallowing

2 Discworlds
5 Battlecurisers
23 Bianu Class Gunships
3 Destroyers
3,675 Starfighters of all types
56 Landing Ships

156 Droid Divisions with 436,281 Battle Droids, 32,000 Destroyer Droids, 23,000 Speeder Bike Riders (With Speeders.), 67 Hellfire Droids, 100 Tank Droids, 67 Tri-walkers, 45 Tank Walkers and 56 Spider Walkers in Each Division

12 Hammerhead Class Battle Subs
3,412 Manta Class Sub Fighters

OOC: Hataria asked me to help him, The Captial Ships will not Bombard your Army, you will Face The Droid Army, Star Fighters and The Subs.

and Hataria said something about some nation named Sephrioth Coming to Attack him, and one know who Sephrioth is???

ooc:
1. If the sephiroth you're talking about is who I think it is, then yes I know him. Im not sure how much hes improved in rping but when I was active in Nov. he was n00bish and god modded freaquently.
2. Taking future tech to a modern tech battle? WTF!!11!1! If I was MP or his allies id use the big ignore cannon right about now. If you're going to rp in a modern tech fight, use modern tech weapons... geesh. :D

OOC: I did Invite him to help guys, oh and I am going to tell Everyone what a All-Tech War Means. It Means every tech (Past, Modern, Future and Space) can Fight, you know, FT vs FT, MT vs MT and so on. and even other Techs can fight one another, FT vs MT or PT vs MT or FT and so on. that is what All Tech is, Thank you for your time.

ooc:
1. If the sephiroth you're talking about is who I think it is, then yes I know him. Im not sure how much hes improved in rping but when I was active in Nov. he was n00bish and god modded freaquently.
2. Taking future tech to a modern tech battle? WTF!!11!1! If I was MP or his allies id use the big ignore cannon right about now. If you're going to rp in a modern tech fight, use modern tech weapons... geesh. :D


OOC: even a M-16 Gun can kill a Battle Droid and fire a good volley of AA Missiles at one, you could even Destroy a Star Fighter with all it's sheilds up. (The Sheild can Weaked if you fire enogth Missiles at the Star Fighter.)

Official Statement from Emperor Giovanni Dominicio Gori I:

This is an official warning to all forces currently engaging the nation of Hataria: Due to an uprising in the state of Madia in Hataria, Nueve Italian forces are currently in the country. All nations attacking Hataria are also attacking the Nueve Italian 9th Army stationed there, which is considered an act of war. Cease fire and come to a reasonable conclusion now, or the Imperial Republic of Nueve Italia will be forced to recognize this blatant act of aggression against its people.

ooc: Your foray into FT is IGNORED Hataria, now take your losses like a good boy, roll over and die.

To Nueve Italia:

"Remove your army from Hataria. You have this 1 warning."-The Great Leader Li.

I think you better lissen to my Allies, Nueve Italia and The Cassiopeian Galaxy are both part of The Central Powers Alliance (OOC: and I got Nioklos The Great * I think thats how you Spell it* on my MSN Messager.) so I think you better Back down NOW!

I think you better lissen to my Allies, Nueve Italia and The Cassiopeian Galaxy are both part of The Central Powers Alliance (OOC: and I got Nioklos The Great * I think thats how you Spell it* on my MSN Messager.) so I think you better Back down NOW!

OOC: NTG is my good ally, he won't support you.

TCG is ignored.

ooc: only n00bs do all-tech wars, NOW STATE YOUR FREAKIN' FLEET LOSSES!.

To Leader Li:

The people of Nueve Italia will not back down from putting down the rebellion that is plaguing its ally. We ask of you, come to reason and end this stupidity. This invasion is without cause, and will only result in loss of life: There is nothing to be gained. Surely, if you address yourself as the Great Leader, you would realize that this war is worth nothing.

OOC: I asked The Mods about The FT Nation Fighting in a MT War Thing, I will wait to see what they say.

"So you're putting down a rebellion at the very moment I'm planning to denude Hataria of all life? Then I have no choice but to declare war against you as well. I suggest your people finish writing their histories write now, as you will soon have no more to speak of."-The Great Leader Li.

ooc: Hataria, you are DEAD, finished, gone. Your nation has no more future on NS, why don't you just accept that with what tiny shreds of dignity you have left?

The mods will say "oh, up to you." or something along those lines, but I'll say this right now, I will Ignore all FT nations.

OOC: I asked The Mods about The FT Nation Fighting in a MT War Thing, I will wait to see what they say.
Moderators don't regulate roleplay. Keep it civil and within the rules, that's all we ask ... or deal with.

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I am not nuts to cross you, and will never get you mad.

and Cassiopeia did say that you will fight the Ground Forces, Fighters and Subs MP, I think he is useing the Big Spaceships to carry the troops to Earth.

If you want to fight a Star Fighter, take out The Sheilds with your EMPs, The Weapons and other stuf will still work, but his Sheilds will be taken out, I watched FT wars before.

OOC: Hataria is right, EMPs can take out Sheilds, And Droids. As The Part from What GODMODING is says...

Future-tech vs. Present-tech
What's to stop an M-16, well-aimed, from knocking out all sorts of important bits of androids?

[OOC: Meh, EMP has limited use. Most of NS is EMP hardened, even the toasters. Moreover, it's not that smart to place an EMP on an aircraft or ship...much rather on a missile to blast out the enemy RADAR and other electronics..but whatever floats your boat.]

OOC: oh, and I have a good reason to Ignore this War, MassPwnage didn't send a TG to tell Me that he was going to attack. I am like most nations on here, I would like a warning first.

OOC: oh, and I have a good reason to Ignore this War, MassPwnage didn't send a TG to tell Me that he was going to attack. I am like most nations on here, I would like a warning first.

[OOC: Those aren't grounds for ignore as far as I'm concerned. The point that he didn't really do things at your convinience is not reason for ignore. I would just go with the war. It seems you have plenty nations defending you.]

OOC: well, I do my Wars the pre EMP Weapons way, Carrier Attacks and Point Bank Range attacks with Ships. MassPwnage is also trying to win with out Fighting fair (and don't start on me on that "he didn't really do things at your convinience" thing.) He knows that I have more Numbers, it is all Numbers in War, Not Tech, numbers.

In Short, I can still Beat him, like it or not.

[OOC: That is the most conceited thing I've ever heard. Numbers don't win wars. In fact, few wars have been won with superior numbers. Tactics, strategy, and technology wins wars. We'll just see how this one turns out, if it doesn't turn into an ignore fest. And I thought MP was conceited!]

OOC: oh, and I have a good reason to Ignore this War, MassPwnage didn't send a TG to tell Me that he was going to attack. I am like most nations on here, I would like a warning first.

OOC: And you're certainly one to give people that convenience when you do it.

Hataria's Losses So Far (since he can't bring himself to lose)
Men: 6.3 million (mostly reserve and conscript)
Naval craft: 300
Landbased artillery and transport: 5,500
Territory with destructed property: 3,000 km^2

Has anyone else noticed that pretty much any post the HAtaria posts in turns into a flame war? Im just rambling, but wouldnt that make Hataria as a nation flame bait?

I agree. It would probably be a good idea for him to stay away from this site - not be banned, but just refrain from posting wars or posting in others' conflicts. Or create a new nation to start fresh, and just not attack anyone. ;)

In this case, though, Hataria hasn't done anything wrong. MP attacked HIM.

[OOC: That is the most conceited thing I've ever heard. Numbers don't win wars. In fact, few wars have been won with superior numbers. Tactics, strategy, and technology wins wars. We'll just see how this one turns out, if it doesn't turn into an ignore fest. And I thought MP was conceited!]
Actually when technology is equal, numbers play a big role. Not every commander is a Patton or Eisenhower, or even a Rommel. Nor is every leader a good tactician. In most wars, numbers do matter.

True numbers matter, but Hataria, for your own good, learn a little about tactical maneuvers, even if it is a simple flanking maneuver it will make a better read than one of your "I send one hundred divisions of suicide soldiers towards your beach head" posts.

Andperhaps you should heed Pacitilia's advice. From the reputation you have gained on these boards you, any role play you are in will turn into a flame war. It would be easier for you to start over with a nation that does not even closely resemble Hataria, develop some characters through short stories where there is no role playing (not only will this develop charaters but it will give you more practice in writing, which I feel you still need), then use numbers that you can support to make your military and use REAL weapons instead of your Mammoths and the other crap you use(d) in your RPs. Hell, if nothing else ask someone to practice rp with you for a while, that way you wont have two pages of rping and ten pages of flaming every time you pop your head up.

whittier formally offers assistance to the nation of Hataria. This assistance will be in the form of economic and humanitarian. The planes have already left, loaded with said aid, for Hataria.
Should those invading Hataria attack any of these planes, it will be considered an act of war.
The planes being used are W5 Trailblazers.

OOC: Reason I am getting involved.
1. Your reason for invading Hataria is that you want to force him to kill off his nation. Because you don't like his posts.
2. Even if Hataria is defeated in this war, he does not have to give up or kill off his nation. Nor does he have to start over with a new one.
3. What are you going to do if he refuses to start over with a new one as you all are demanding? Harrass him? Stalk him? I should remind you that harrassment is illegal whether done in rl or on the internet. Same with stalking.

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~ Official Statement

Although the Infernal Demonic Dominion of Greenmanbry cares neither about the future of Hataria as a nation, nor about the future of the Hatarian people, it must be said that the reason for this war is unjust. No, it is worse than that. The reason for this war is simply idiotic. The fact that large nations, some of which are our dear allies, have chosen to partake in this idiotic conflict, shows how low the Intelligence Quotients of their respective leaders are.

The IDDG wishes to send four military transports to Hataria. Each of these transports will contain humanitarian aid in the form of food and medical supplies. Hataria should use these supplies for the benefit of the populace. But, if Hataria chooses to feed its armed forces using the resources we plan to send to them, then so be it.


~Ison
Ministry of Foreign Affairs
The Infernal Demonic Dominion of Greenmanbry


~ End Official Statement

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ooc: Oh for the love of..... *strangles self*
Sorry, but this is pathetic. Not only am I ignoring this thread, but Mass Pwnage, I'm adding you to my ignore list for this. Another one of those "Hmm, I need someone to attack, I know! I'll attack Hataria, that'll be fun" nations.

Hataria, for your part, ignore all the people here telling you how crap you are and just give up on NS. Don't. You've improved a lot since you started here, and I believe you'll continue to improve.

Nascent, this is because as soon as people see a war against Hataria, fifty people jump in with "oh he's a n00b! I'm going to invade him as well" posts. This is in no way Hataria's fault.

ooc: only n00bs do all-tech wars, NOW STATE YOUR FREAKIN' FLEET LOSSES!.
ooc: A perfect example of a typical post aimed at Hataria. Things like this piss me off.

ooc: Oh for the love of..... *strangles self*
Sorry, but this is pathetic. Not only am I ignoring this thread, but Mass Pwnage, I'm adding you to my ignore list for this. Another one of those "Hmm, I need someone to attack, I know! I'll attack Hataria, that'll be fun" nations.

Hataria, for your part, ignore all the people here telling you how crap you are and just give up on NS. Don't. You've improved a lot since you started here, and I believe you'll continue to improve.

Nascent, this is because as soon as people see a war against Hataria, fifty people jump in with "oh he's a n00b! I'm going to invade him as well" posts. This is in no way Hataria's fault.

I agree, Hataria, just ignore them, you have improved so much its scary, and people drawing conclusions about your past RP style, and feel they get to attack and win automatically should be ignored outright. This thread is a black spot on NS, and should be closed.

Hataria, my advice is, do a few non war character RPs, just saying, 'I SEND UBER 3000000 TROOPS, I WIN!1 OMG1337!!!' doesnt work anymore. Learn to character RP, and then come back to Fleet RPing, and you might see a difference in your tactics and RP Style.

OOC: MP doesn't godmode. Hataria is a different story.
ooc: This is shameful, I would expect so much better from you Pacitalia.


ooc2: Also, if you want Hataria, I'm willing to start up a character RP with you, we'll make it invite, so none of the ones who keep invading you pointlessly join in, and try and help you improve even more.

ooc; not only can't Axis Nova respond, I'm ignoring him.
I'm sorry, but upon re-reading this thread, I found this. This is absolutely brilliant. I almost fell out of my chair laughing.

Its Parthians, Pacitalia and MassPwnage against Hataria, closed so that Hataria doesn't get any allies. Oh dear, this is just hysterical. Thats enough to make me want to ignore all three of you.


Let me review for the ones who missed the joke.

Parthians, Pacitalia and MassPwnage decide to go to war with Hataria. They don't tell him before, they just do it. Not only that, they forbid him from bringing in any allies. Hmmm.....

OoC: Sanct gave me this link and it made me feel SAD(evenmore so), I have no respect for either of the three attackers, what a bunch of losers you are.

Parthians, I would have expected better from you...as for the other two I can see this behaviour is to be expected from you, so I'll kindly advise my friends to steer clear from you.

Parthians and Pacitalia, this type of thing ought to be below you. What this is, isn't rpging, its bullying. And its just sad that you are following some newbie instead of the newbie following you.

Pacitalia, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. I'm disappointed in you.

RANT
Watch how you all insult MP because he is attacking Hataria for no reason - hm, let me see, NS is not fought like modern wars. How many military allies did Iraq have against the United Kingdom and the United States? None. Not like Iraq or the Falklands. It's more like WWII, where there's hella lot of ships and ground forces and mass bombings. WWII started because Hitler was a maniac and he wanted to rule the world and imagined he could do so. As does MassPwnage's leader. It's a valid reason for a war. Both sides here OOC, pro Hataria and pro MP are failing to see the reasoning on either side:

The only way Hataria has improved is by his punctuation etc - he still godmodes like fuck [not the 21 million soldiers and "EMP shielding"] . He says he only accepts wars by TG, but his last war that HE started for NO REASON [Doesn't that sound familiar - oh wait, that's what you are charging MP with] was NOT by TG [originally]. Hataria evidently plays for OOC reasons - note his previous post where he says "in short, I can beat him". Hataria starts wars disguised as roleplay so we can win. The fact that roleplayers like Axis Nova, Sanctaphrax, Dumpsterdam, and Greenmanbry are supporting Hataria utterly confuses me. Again note how you accuse MP of "bullying", which is utter bullshit. People who have declared war on Hataria have always been called bullies because they are attacking someone of poor RP skills, no, horrible RP skills, but Hataria is never called a bully, even when he attacks smaller nations eg Communist Brazil.

Although, I must ask MP:
1.) How did you mobilise your fleet that fast?
2.) Your claims that a carrier can carry 1200 aircraft is an utter godmod, like alot of your military technology.
3.) It's highly unlikely your people will allow a leader that declares war for "no reason" to be in power.

RANT
Although, I must ask MP:
1.) How did you mobilise your fleet that fast?
2.) Your claims that a carrier can carry 1200 aircraft is an utter godmod, like alot of your military technology.
3.) It's highly unlikely your people will allow a leader that declares war for "no reason" to be in power.

Ignoring the rest of the message(sorry for that I have to go soon) but according to his sayings he has around 3014 combat vessles, not counting support ships.

Note that I have a budget of over 20 trillion(MP has around 2 trillion) and I claim to have around 4000 ships(combat that is).
His carriers could be possible, but they cost as much as my SD's.(I have four since their that expensive).

So unless his escorts are rowing boats with machine guns, he has no army and his navy and airforce are trained like the iraqi's with about the same equipment and he's stripped his entire nation BARE of resources to build these ships I can't say anything but GODMOD.

Unless MassPwnage can justify this or cut his numbers down to something realistic I will ignore MassPwnage's Military, and any equipment he has developed.

Hogsweat - Allow me to justify my actions.. MassPwnage, I would think, is an established, respected member of the NationStates roleplaying community. Certainly moreso than Hataria. The fact that you think his technology is "out there" - and I agree with you - doesn't make the previous statement false. If you look at my second post, which is purely in-character, I state that I do not give a damn about Hataria. The reason I don't is because, like you, I believe he is a godmoder. He has exhausted all the chances that excellent role-players have given him to improve his writing.

Still, NationStates is open to everyone who does not abuse the rules set in stone by [violet] in 2002. I don't know what Hataria needs to improve, but he certainly does not need to be let down or aggravated into participating in more godmodish wars. The last thing Hataria needs is to open a thread labelled {ATTN: Hataria} and find "I'm bored; die, Hataria. I'm mobilizing my five thousand ships to your mainland." That is simply stupid. It provides more incentive for him to remain ignorant of proper role-playing etiquette.

What these threads do is make Hataria think: "Hey! You've got yourselves some early-'04 nations here (and you should never estimate the influence of early 2004 nations on newbies. Some of the early-'04s are well on their way to becoming role-playing legends) who role-play exactly like I do! So I guess that the "proper roleplaying" crap that arrogant bastards have been shoving down my throat ever since my first war is overrated!"

So what does he do? That's right, mobilize his uBer-fleet(s).


I don't know. I just don't. If you think that's the proper way of teaching Hataria how to role-play, I respectfully disagree with you. But it is up to you.

~ GMB

Frankly, I'm shocked at what has taken place in this RP. People can't seem to get past Hataria's past RP'ing history, and it's sad... really. If he has any chance at becoming a decent RP'er, not only does he need to improve his own writing (which you can tell he has), but he needs the rest of NS to give him another chance, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen, based on this thread. I suggest that all of you involved in this to drop it completely. I'm disappointed in not only the people attacking Hataria, but everyone else who is contributing to this argument over Hataria's RP'ing abilities. Perhaps Hataria should start a new thread (hopefully not having to do with war) since a few people have expressed interest in RP'ing with him. I also suggest that those of you who have nothing better to do than to criticize Hataria everytime he makes a new thread, to not read his threads, plain and simple. You've chosen to read his threads, therefore you have no right to complain.

OOC: I would go on Greenmanbry on this one, from what Hataria told me, he made is first appearce in May when Fighting TFU (When he was Modern tech.) and he was Godmoding (Hataria RPed on The Chat Rooms on Yahoo, never on a Board.) till Whittier Kicked his ass in The Hatar-Whittier War if 2004. Now, with help from a few Nations, Hataria is geting better.

oh and Hataria: I think you should have Ignore this Thread from The Start.

iLock pending Moderator review.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation