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Epsilon Class Supply Submarine

Typical Armaments
Typical Defenses
Nuclear Powered Propulsion
Stealth Technology
Speed: 32 knots
Crew: 200
Cargo Capacity:
2 million gallons of oil, gas, or marine fuel
10,000 gallons of potable water
1,000 tons of ordinance
338 tons of provisions
Armament: 12 MK-48 ADCAP torpedoes, four torpedo tubes. Also SLMM (submarine launched mobile mine).
Sonar: BQG-5 Wide Aperture Array, BQS-15 (for mine and ice avoidance).
Operating Depth: 1600 feet
Material: High Yield-80 (HY-80) steel alloy
Solid Cargo is craned off.
Oil, gas, fuel, water and other liquids are vacuumed hosed off.

Price: 25 million dollars

Do your own math.

Also recently developed:

Stalin Class Submersible Troop Carrier
Crew: 155
Carrying Capacity: 3 companies of troops (300 total or 100 troops per company), 20 tanks or 20 IFVs.
Nuclear Propulsion with one shaft at with 52,000 shp with pumpjet propulsor.
Stealth
Speed: 20 knots
Cost: 23 million dollars
Armament: 12 MK-48 ADCAP torpedoes, four torpedo tubes. Also SLMM (submarine launched mobile mine).
Sonar: BQG-5 Wide Aperture Array, BQS-15 (for mine and ice avoidance).
Operating Depth: 1600 feet
Material: High Yield-80 (HY-80) steel alloy

how long have you been gone?

^.^ mesa is bored so mesa gona bitch about your subs.

First of on you cant just state "stealth technology" because there is many forms of stealth for subs out there. It goes from hull design to RADAR asobrant material, propulsion system(number of shafts, screws. The screw designs and ect...), to ways of reducing passive SONAR. Second of all you didn't provide enough information on your subs. Fore one assuming you sub if like many modern day subs and its a logistic one well how is it getting the cargo up on to land? Does it ride right up onto the beach and let down a ramp? If thats the case then your going have the problem of rust on the inside from water getting in if your framce made up of steel.

I suggest you do soe more reseach into sub technology before you just wing it and go and design a sub. All it takes is a couple of hours, well with slow Dial up which is what I have, to learn all you need to know about subs and echnology that relates to them. I suggest you use google or go to www.globalsecurity.org or www.fas.org to research some real life subs.



also psst in order for you to fit an entire battalion of troops(going by Russian definition of battalion I believe thats armound 700 men) your sub is going to be awful huge. And with a huge sub it's going move slow and it's going be damn loud. ^.^ Make nice targets for my Principle III's of Supercav torps.

Why exactly are you arming cargo vessels so heavily? Their priority should be to avoid battle, not seek it.

I don't know about technology, but it sounds cool.

We of Constiutionals would order one, but our military budget is about 2 cents, so we'll just make a down payment.

how long have you been gone?
been busy lately

I don't know about technology, but it sounds cool.

We of Constiutionals would order one, but our military budget is about 2 cents, so we'll just make a down payment.
yes it's a good idea but put into design badly. I've been planning on designing a whole line of Subs to replace surface ships, just havn't gotten around to it.

:P But from what I can tell you're paying 24 million dollars fr a hunk of metal hollow inside with a bunch of misisles tied onto the roof. ^.^

^.^ mesa is bored so mesa gona bitch about your subs.

First of on you cant just state "stealth technology" because there is many forms of stealth for subs out there. It goes from hull design to RADAR asobrant material, propulsion system(number of shafts, screws. The screw designs and ect...), to ways of reducing passive SONAR. Second of all you didn't provide enough information on your subs. Fore one assuming you sub if like many modern day subs and its a logistic one well how is it getting the cargo up on to land? Does it ride right up onto the beach and let down a ramp? If thats the case then your going have the problem of rust on the inside from water getting in if your framce made up of steel.

I suggest you do soe more reseach into sub technology before you just wing it and go and design a sub. All it takes is a couple of hours, well with slow Dial up which is what I have, to learn all you need to know about subs and echnology that relates to them. I suggest you use google or go to www.globalsecurity.org or www.fas.org to research some real life subs.



also psst in order for you to fit an entire battalion of troops(going by Russian definition of battalion I believe thats armound 700 men) your sub is going to be awful huge. And with a huge sub it's going move slow and it's going be damn loud. ^.^ Make nice targets for my Principle III's of Supercav torps.

stealth means both hull design and sonar absorptive material.
The screw is enclosed, but this wouldn't impact or reduce passive sonar signatures.
For solid cargo, it is craned out. For liquid, a typical sytems are used.
A hose vacuum type system.

For the troop carrier, yes the sub is quite large. By Battalion I mean 500 men.
But including the subs crew, the sub itself is still quite large.
In fact, a little bigger than a ballistic missile submarine. About 1/3 bigger.
They're not meant for combat.

Why exactly are you arming cargo vessels so heavily? Their priority should be to avoid battle, not seek it.
Avoiding combat is the priority. The armaments are just what you can arm it with. The subs don't come with them.

yes it's a good idea but put into design badly. I've been planning on designing a whole line of Subs to replace surface ships, just havn't gotten around to it.

:P But from what I can tell you're paying 24 million dollars fr a hunk of metal hollow inside with a bunch of misisles tied onto the roof. ^.^
They can't carry that many missiles.

Just stating your sub has a "stealthy" hull design isn't telling shit. And just havign SONAR asorbant material isn't going make it invisible to Active SONAR nor Passive SONAR. You subs you going come up big under Passive SONAR and probally still be able to detect them by Active SONAR as well. Also you cant go 34 knots and still be stealthy, in order to go faster you'd have to get rid of speed. Also you do realize there is no point of sending your subs out there if they are blind? Dude you have no SONAR systems on your subs!

Also with the detection systems on subs such as my TASS Sea Lion I would easily detect your cargo ships.

Just stating your sub has a "stealthy" hull design isn't telling shit. And just havign SONAR asorbant material isn't going make it invisible to Active SONAR nor Passive SONAR. You subs you going come up big under Passive SONAR and probally still be able to detect them by Active SONAR as well. Also you cant go 34 knots and still be stealthy, in order to go faster you'd have to get rid of speed. Also you do realize there is no point of sending your subs out there if they are blind? Dude you have no SONAR systems on your subs!

Also with the detection systems on subs such as my TASS Sea Lion I would easily detect your cargo ships.
sonar systems are not listed. But they do have them. Again these subs are not meant for combat. Nor are they supposed to be invisible.
The speed has been fixed at 20 knots. Why would you want subs to be invisible unless you mean them for combat?

BTW, attacking unarmed subs is a violation of international laws and treaties.

BTW, attacking unarmed subs is a violation of international laws and treaties.

That's a nice theory, but in practice there's no way to tell which ones are armed and which ones arn't. Also, said international laws do not exist in NS.

That's a nice theory, but in practice there's no way to tell which ones are armed and which ones arn't. Also, said international laws do not exist in NS.
They do if they are included in treaties.

They do if they are included in treaties.

Good thing I havn't signed any of those treaties, then.

Well first of all I belieev you had put weapons on those ships so therefore they're not unarmed.

Second of all, buddy this is war. I will rape, slaghter, and burn down your entire populace to win a war. I don't give a damn about some treaty a bunch of pussies came up I will do what is needed to be done to win a war.

Well first of all I belieev you had put weapons on those ships so therefore they're not unarmed.

Second of all, buddy this is war. I will rape, slaghter, and burn down your entire populace to win a war. I don't give a damn about some treaty a bunch of pussies came up I will do what is needed to be done to win a war.
Self defense only. That's why they only have 4 torpedoe tubes and can only carry 12 torpedoes.
Since when was I at war with you?

Self defense only. That's why they only have 4 torpedoe tubes and can only carry 12 torpedoes.
Since when was I at war with you?
You never know. ;) I've been getting a bit power hungry lately. So ya better watch out for my Diablo Subs cause you can barely see them and they can wipe your entire country out within a matter of minutes! ^.^

I need more advanced torpedoe designs.

Perhaps my MT-3 would be something you're looking for. Check out my storefront on my sig...

Could be used on a sub the size of say a Red October class ballistic submarine?

Depends on the width of the torpedo tubes. But I can always design one, and export it, that fits said dimensions.

I need small torpedoes. No longer than 6 ft in length and no wider than 3 ft in width. I need them to have homing devices and stealth and the ability to self cavitate. And they need to have a minimum speed of at least Mach 1.

I need small torpedoes. No longer than 6 ft in length and no wider than 3 ft in width. I need them to have homing devices and stealth and the ability to self cavitate. And they need to have a minimum speed of at least Mach 1.

One of these is possible.

[OOC: You can't fit fit LIDAR or SONAR to a su-cav really, because the signal will be messed up as soon as it hits the bubble and all you'll get back is an unintelligleable mess. Also, you can't really stealth a SuCav - they cause far too much distrubance in the water. And 1 meter is a little optimistic for a Mach 1 weapon. A SuCav is basically a missile - it has to carry all its fuel and oxygen on board, so they're big with relatively small warheads.]

[OOC: You can't fit fit LIDAR or SONAR to a su-cav really, because the signal will be messed up as soon as it hits the bubble and all you'll get back is an unintelligleable mess. Also, you can't really stealth a SuCav - they cause far too much distrubance in the water. And 1 meter is a little optimistic for a Mach 1 weapon. A SuCav is basically a missile - it has to carry all its fuel and oxygen on board, so they're big with relatively small warheads.]

That and they aren't very good offenseive weapons against heavily armored ships, depending on the ship design having a tendency to.. bounce off? While the Doujin Navy my still have some Super-Cavitating torpedos, the ones we use for a kill are similar to say the ADCAP-48. Slower, packs more of a punch.

I am only looking for something that can be used as a defensive weapon. What do you propose that will fit within my requirements. The torpdoe must be very effective but fit the size of the Epsilon's torpedo tubes.

I am only looking for something that can be used as a defensive weapon. What do you propose that will fit within my requirements. The torpdoe must be very effective but fit the size of the Epsilon's torpedo tubes.

Just use ADCAPs, although bring the number down to 4-6 torpedos. Only have 2 tubes, and ditch the mines. Personally I'd go with 4 torps only. This is a supply vessel, not a warship. It shouldn't have that much in way of weaponry. Gotta keep the objective in mind.

What's this going to be used for? fleet supply? Standard freighters would be far more efficient and cheaper, and faster, and damage resistant... Do thie subs have their own cranes to lift cargo out? that will cause an amaizing disturbance that will show up on passive. How do the troops get from the sub to land?

I honestly see no role for these vessels other than blockade running, but even then they would likely be detected and sunk by blockading forces.

What's this going to be used for? fleet supply? Standard freighters would be far more efficient and cheaper, and faster, and damage resistant... Do thie subs have their own cranes to lift cargo out? that will cause an amaizing disturbance that will show up on passive. How do the troops get from the sub to land?

I honestly see no role for these vessels other than blockade running, but even then they would likely be detected and sunk by blockading forces.

Shoosh! It's a weakness that can be exploited :-D

[OOC: Heh, yea I stopped using Super Cavitating torpedoes, because they're hard to turn - if they do they have to stop - and, they....super cavitate...and cavitation in terms of stealth isn't exactly the best thing to have. However, SuCavs aren't meant to be used at long range anyways, meaning, if you have a battleship, and whatever you're launching this SuCav out of is within a couple of kilometers, I doubt that the battleship will be able to stop a mass launching of torpedoes moving at 200knots, no matter what it throws against it, including ASHUM guns - which take some time to pre-detonate a torpedo anyways.

However, although I used them before, I don't use them any longer. I developed something along the lines of New Empire's MADCAP torpedo - mine is also called a MADCAP torpedo, and it's much more quiet than the SuCav, although a regular ADCAP would do the trick as well.]

ACAP/MADCAP what are those?

[OOC:

ADCAP stands for ADvanced CAPabilities. The standard example is the Mk 48 (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/mk-48.htm) torpedo.

MADCAP stands for Most ADvanced CAPabilities. The acronym was first put in place by New Empire. I also use it. It's basically an under water RAMjet. If you want more information you'll have to telegram New Empire.]

MADCAP sounds interesting.

Are you producing these subs for sale? If so, I'd like to know how much the Stalin Class submersible troop carrier will be and if I can have 3.

Are you producing these subs for sale? If so, I'd like to know how much the Stalin Class submersible troop carrier will be and if I can have 3.
23 million dollars a peice. Due to the great care we take in building each sub, it will take 1 rl day for the subs to arrive.

Thankyou *$69million wired*