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OoC: Before I start, I should mention this is based off the “Floating Fortresses” in 1984 by George Orwell despite it being modernised, it is not the Doujin.

The Floating Fortress

http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/1984-movie-fortress.jpg

Floating Fortress (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/Kriegorgrad/Citadel_Ship_by_Doc_Evilonavich.png)


Due to recent tensions in the region of haven, Kriegorgrad is forced to realise that not all of its neighbours are as friendly as they seem on the outside, we have even heard that a certain neighbour intends to attack us soon…but w e shall not delve into the intricate politics of our region.

The pride and joy of the of the Proletarian fleet, with no less than 16 inches of titanium keeping the hull sturdy, while the deck has six inches of armour, all of this helping to keep the brave Proletarian fleets firing their guns as they rip apart the flimsy ships of the fascist scum!

The guns of this ship are true monsters, thirteen 22” ETC guns lining, this ship can level cities within minutes and bring glorious freedom to the oppressed people whom has Kriegorgrad deemed important to liberate. No less than one-hundred-and-twelve 8” guns and forty-two turrets mounted on the side of the hull, which contain a 12” charge. One-hundred-and-twenty close-in-weapon-systems (CIWS) ensure that it will take alot of luck for a missile to get through the tight defence net set up by the aforementioned devices.

The final piece of weaponry, the ender of wars is the STARBOLT missile system, developed by Zeppelin Manufacturers, these missiles pack more power than most cruise missiles, designed to put a halt to whatever resistance the foe can muster.

Being powered by state-of-the-art [read: aging] nuclear reactors, this ship has more than enough capabilities to move at speed.

OVERVIEW
Displacement: 2,354,000 Tonnes
Length: 930 Metres
Speed: 24 knots max, 21 knots cruise
Weapons:
13 22” ETC Guns
112 8” Guns
42 12” Guns
120 CIWS
8 STARBOLT Launchers

Armour: 16” Titanium Hull, 6” Deck, 18” Barbettes, 12” Guns
Engines: 14 nuclear reactors [Nimitz size]

Reference Tag

ooc: err... does this thing fly? or does it hover above the ground. If it hovers, then how high off of the ground does it hover?

((OOC: I would assume it floats... ya know... on water...))

ooc: err... does this thing fly? or does it hover above the ground. If it hovers, then how high off of the ground does it hover?

OoC: An 05er knew something you didn't. According to NS law...he now owns your nation, please give Mekugi your nation immediately! Really though, it is a ship, as is murkily depicted in the poster...You should read 1984 my friend.

ooc: err... does this thing fly? or does it hover above the ground. If it hovers, then how high off of the ground does it hover?

ooc:Have you been watching Escaflowne? :D

ooc: Oh, i misinterpreted the poster as a hovering thinggie. This is because i'm fighting a war with Axis Nova who uses "Flying SD's" or whatever the hell they are.

I'm ever so glad somebody thought of using that Orwell reference to floating fortresses, and the look of the ship is very inventive. Very good work.

I suggest adding torpedos and maybe a helipad so it stands a chance in the ns world it could also use more guns (but that might be just me)

ooc: Oh, i misinterpreted the poster as a hovering thinggie. This is because i'm fighting a war with Axis Nova who uses "Flying SD's" or whatever the hell they are.

OoC: Oh crazy, sorry, I didn't know! Sounds a bit mad that! Good lucky with it though!

I'm ever so glad somebody thought of using that Orwell reference to floating fortresses, and the look of the ship is very inventive. Very good work.

Wow, thanks Isselmere, you're one of the most well known names of NS shipping and you complemented me...sorry, I just brown-nosed to the extreme, I can't help it, it's in my blood I think. But, to be fair, who isn't enticed by Orwell's vision of naval warfare? I'd like to take credit for the drawing but sadly, that must go to Doctor Evilanovich (ZMI) and his reat artistic skills with addobe.

I suggest adding torpedos and maybe a helipad so it stands a chance in the ns world it could also use more guns (but that might be just me)

MORE GUNS?
That thing has more guns than almost everything ever.Put together. And it stands a very good chance indeed in the NS world.

I suggest adding torpedos and maybe a helipad so it stands a chance in the ns world it could also use more guns (but that might be just me)

OoC: All very valid points but Kriegorgrad has geared the ship to be inefficient, the ship needs support and therefore it needs more supplies for the rest of the ships. It is designed to strain the Kriegos economy, read 1984 to find out why I want to do that.

But more guns, you little nutcase!

MORE GUNS?
That thing has more guns than almost everything ever.Put together. And it stands a very good chance indeed in the NS world.

OoC: Very true, take heed of Ankhmet, he knows what he's talking about (probably moreso that I do).

MORE GUNS?
That thing has more guns than almost everything ever.Put together. And it stands a very good chance indeed in the NS world.

I am talking about changing some of the smaller guns to a bigger calibre or maybe getting rid of them due to the fact that there is just too much to have a point (but as you want to drain your economy good job)

Ankhmet stop following me its creepy :mad:

OoC: [size=1]Very true, take heed of Ankhmet, he knows what he's talking about (probably moreso that I do).

ooc: :eek:

Was that sarcastic or serious?

And Jamum, I can't help it. I'm deeply in love with you.
:D

I'm deeply in love with you.


ooc: fifth time today (its been a good day) but who shall be mine?

oh and could I hear this strategy I have never heard of this film

ooc: fifth time today (its been a good day) but who shall be mine?

oh and could I hear this strategy I have never heard of this film

ooc:Better as a book, better as a book.

MORE GUNS?
That thing has more guns than almost everything ever.Put together. And it stands a very good chance indeed in the NS world.
Actually, although it's bristling with 8"ers it could do with dual 22" turrets.

OoC: I did mean it Ankhmet, and yes, I've heard it is better as book (as I've yet to see the film, so I've only heard) and Prae, you have to remember than it would be overkill to have twenty six 22" ETC guns. Thirteen will suffice.

OOC:

What the hell are "Starbolt" launchers? And could someone please telegram me a link to all the threads on any new "superdreadnought" and other really good naval vessels, I'd like to take a look at them.

OoC: Oh no...the dark one has found me...just kidding, I haven't seen you in ages Doujin. Starbolt launchers are essentially giant missiles, I don't know the details, you'd have to ask ZMI about that, you can find him in mIRC more often than not.

And as for linking you to all the superdreadnought threads, thats a bit impossible because the number is quite...well...scary. You spawned a real craze with Freethinker and your own ship.

IC: The USIH sends its congratulations on creating such a large target, sorry we mean ship.


-taggage-

OOC: 1984 the 2nd most boring book i had to read at school. (Narrowly pipped to first place by Pride and Predjudice)

Roll on the Tom Clancy!

@Doujin: This is the only one Ive made since you left: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=402869

There have been plenty of others though. Some good, mostly bad.

OoC: I did mean it Ankhmet, and yes, I've heard it is better as book (as I've yet to see the film, so I've only heard) and Prae, you have to remember than it would be overkill to have twenty six 22" ETC guns. Thirteen will suffice.
Well thirteen would leave it rather underarmed compared to other SDs... you have far more little guns (8"ers) but they probably won't get into range of another SD... I dont know, maybe that's what you want.

"Of course, feel free to voice your opinion IH..."

*presses panic button*

"Keep voicing it..."

*Orwellian Thought Police come and beat down IH before dragging him off to the ministry of love*

Seriously though, I've read some clancy and I found that comparitively dull as well. Different tastes, different people, it just so happens that my tastes are the right ones. :p

@Doujin: This is the only one Ive made since you left: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=402869

There have been plenty of others though. Some good, mostly bad.


Well thirteen would leave it rather underarmed compared to other SDs... you have far more little guns (8"ers) but they probably won't get into range of another SD... I dont know, maybe that's what you want.

OoC: I suppose I could but I don't really feel the need to compete with the rest, they are stupidly overarmed anyway with big cannons as you won't ever need them, while the same holds true for my little eight inchers, that's partly because ZMI drew it that way and I was happy to RP it the way he drew it.

I might reconsider having dual-gunned turrets though.

OoC: I suppose I could but I don't really feel the need to compete with the rest, they are stupidly overarmed anyway with big cannons as you won't ever need them, while the same holds true for my little eight inchers, that's partly because ZMI drew it that way and I was happy to RP it the way he drew it.

I might reconsider having dual-gunned turrets though.
Well my SD has 18x 25" guns... now 18x 25" vs 13x 22" = you're sinking pretty quickly, and possibly out of range to respond.

ooc: fifth time today (its been a good day) but who shall be mine?

oh and could I hear this strategy I have never heard of this film

OoC: Final post for the night...essentially, it's a system where the economy is kept low by over militarisation. What products can't people use in their day-to-day lives? Bullets, thats what. It's a clever method of keeping the people's life style bad so they are too busy fighting to survive to wonder if the system is corrupt or not.

Well my SD has 18x 25" guns... now 18x 25" vs 13x 22" = you're sinking pretty quickly, and possibly out of range to respond.

OoC: As I said, I may very well consider it.

I am currently trying to revamp my navy and i see this as a great buy how much does it cost

OoC: Sorry, was away. And I'd sell you some but Kriegorgrad has a very isolationist economy, that and we're plain old paranoid, however, Preatonia, Freethinkers and Isselmere are just a few of the great ship manufacturers you can find in NS - check around!

OoC: Sorry, was away. And I'd sell you some but Kriegorgrad has a very isolationist economy, that and we're plain old paranoid, however, Preatonia, Freethinkers and Isselmere are just a few of the great ship manufacturers you can find in NS - check around!

I am willing to pay you in uranium, money, wine, arms, women, anything.

Your wish is my command i will hop on my head.
If you give me the plans the small pox, anthrax, polio, Bubonic Plague, dysentry and meningitis might go missing *wink*

I am talking about changing some of the smaller guns to a bigger calibre or maybe getting rid of them due to the fact that there is just too much to have a point (but as you want to drain your economy good job)

Ankhmet stop following me its creepy :mad:

OoC: Why thank you. ;)


IC:To: Basque Spain
From: The Oligarch of Kriegorgrad, Comrade Leader Nikolai Fedorenkov
Subject: Sale of Floating Fortress

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”While I and my fellow oligarchs thank you for your interest, we have decided that the plans for the Floating Fortress are to remain in Kriegos hands for the time being, perhaps we will sell them in the future but for the moment, the ship shall remain a Kriegos and only Kriegos endeavor.“

Yours Sincerely,


The Oligarch of Kriegorgrad, Comrade Leader Nikolai Fedorenkov

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/Kriegorgrad/seal.jpg

OOC:Nothing one of my 'Falling Stars' couldnt handle...

OOC:Nothing one of my 'Falling Stars' couldnt handle...

OoC: Really. First off, what the hell is a "Falling Star", is it a missile or a craft of sorts? Second off, my ship will own it, as mine is constructed from cat food tins. Period.

OOC:Its a suicide sattelite equipped with enough plastic explosives to level 4 city blocks. They CAN be equipped with nuclear warheads... but only 5 of them are.

OOC:Its a suicide sattelite equipped with enough plastic explosives to level 4 city blocks. They CAN be equipped with nuclear warheads... but only 5 of them are.

OoC: Sounds like something that could seriously ruin RP, to be honest.

OOC:Thats why I use them rather sparsely(is that the right word?).

Bah, those things need to hit a moving target first.

In any case, there is only ONE way to take a floating fortress (Well, only one way I find interesting), and that is taking it by aerial assault.

As in, paradrops & helicopters, and possibly a few tanks flown in, not bombs.

Possibly special forces coming in by way of minisubs to take out parts of the AA capacities...

Is there any anti sub defences on that thing? I don't see any but that could just be my eyes acting up again.
and also HOW MUCH did that thing cost? Is there a reason you've made that thing? as far as SD's go it's not that formidible so exactly what purpose could it have? Economic drain could be arranged so much to the better if you were actually building ships that have a chance against other SD's.

OOC:Thats why I use them rather sparsely(is that the right word?).
Why dont you just fire a missile?

Bah, those things need to hit a moving target first.

In any case, there is only ONE way to take a floating fortress (Well, only one way I find interesting), and that is taking it by aerial assault.

As in, paradrops & helicopters, and possibly a few tanks flown in, not bombs.

Possibly special forces coming in by way of minisubs to take out parts of the AA capacities...

OoC: That would make for some awesome RP, CQC (Close Quarter Combat) ship warfare, damn...I wanna do that!

By the way, RedTide2, "sparsely" is the right word

Uldarious, would you like me to "wank-it-up" so it meets n00b regulations? I intentionally didn't include anti-sub defences so people have a chance of taking one out either in a boring "omg rush subz!" attack or a cool little "mini-sub raid", as Monetistan proposed.

Is there a reason you've made that thing? as far as SD's go it's not that formidible so exactly what purpose could it have?

Perhaps bombardment?

ooc: Oh, i misinterpreted the poster as a hovering thinggie. This is because i'm fighting a war with Axis Nova who uses "Flying SD's" or whatever the hell they are.

This is certainly news to me. Since when have we been at war?

edit: Re the question of dealing with one of these, it's at the point where it's too much trouble to use conventional weapons-- I'd just hit it with a tac nuke.

...I Have no idea what you're talking about, you wouldn't be "wanking-it-up" as you say because most SD's have some anti sub capabilities but I see that it could be used well as a bombarder and I guess you could have destroyers or something to escort it against the threat of subs.

This is certainly news to me. Since when have we been at war?

edit: Re the question of dealing with one of these, it's at the point where it's too much trouble to use conventional weapons-- I'd just hit it with a tac nuke.

OoC: And completely ruin the RP; nice going. Seriously though, a Floating Fortress should be a figure point, find out creative ways to take the bastard down!



...I Have no idea what you're talking about, you wouldn't be "wanking-it-up" as you say because most SD's have some anti sub capabilities but I see that it could be used well as a bombarder and I guess you could have destroyers or something to escort it against the threat of subs.

OoC: I suppose I wouldn't be but I'd rather have it wearing an obvious flaw, I'll let its escorts (forgot to mention, it has to have escorts) deal with anything that comes from below the water.

Well, you said it yourself-- this thing's guns are designed to level entire cities.

It's too tough to easily be taken out with missiles or guns, you'd have to pound it apart. This would take unacceptably long.

OoC: Read what Monetistan, his idea offers more roleplay and would be funner to act out. A nuke would just spoil the RP.

Why dont you just fire a missile?

OOC:What kind of missiles? Cruise Missiles are too easily intercepted and dont carry enough firepower. Ballistic Missiles (believe it or not) actually are capable of carrying LESS of a conventional payload then a cruise missile, that and they are to inaccurate and you can trace the ballistic trajectory back to the country that did it(unless it was a submarine launch) AND they are not homing AND the enemy would think you were launching a WMD AND(last and, I promise) it can be intercepted by anti-ballistic missile defenses(in the boost and bus phases at least, theoretically the RV can be intercepted by a SAM(such as the Patriot or SM-2-ER Block IV), but you would need specialised targetting computers).

ooc: I äm (heck yea, German keyboard with umlauts) highly aware of the fact that Kriegorgrad's military isn't the best, however, this floating fortress doesn't have enough protection against missiles. CIWS guns aren't exactly efficient weapons systems and your armor isn't going to stop an NS cruise missile moving at Mach (insert double digit number here). This thing would probably only take a few ASMs to sink. I can imagine this thing performing extremely well in the shore support role, as those huge numbers of smaller guns would just crush everything on a beach.

My suggestion (don't reply, I won't read it for at least a week.) is to add at least a primitive missile tracking and SAM network to shoot down ASMs. Otherwise, a ship like this getting sunk would not only be a blow to your economic and military engine, it would be a serious blow to your propaganda machine; these things aren't at all cheap and Kriegorgrad's economy cannot put very many of these things in the water.

and you can trace the ballistic trajectory back to the country that did it(unless it was a submarine launch) AND they are not homing AND the enemy would think you were launching a WMDIf you are at war (Only then you need to sink a FF), it is kinda irrelevant if the missile is backtracked or not, thus, irrelevant.

Furthermore, there are tons of conventional IRBM existing IRL. Why the hell would you assume them to carry a nuclear payload (And even if they were carrying one, they would still be used against a military target. You would have to be a braindead retard to counter a nuclear strike against purely military assets will an all out nuclear extermination strike)?

Granted, given that the 'ballistic' art makes it kinda hard to hit a target, high-yield nuclear warheads are a necessity to begin with, but...

Oh, right, your sat would have the same problem. While being vastly more expensive.

I stay with preferring Eben Emael style operations, if only because it makes for a few ten thousand words worth of posting.

ooc: I äm (heck yea, German keyboard with umlauts) highly aware of the fact that Kriegorgrad's military isn't the best, however, this floating fortress doesn't have enough protection against missiles. CIWS guns aren't exactly efficient weapons systems and your armor isn't going to stop an NS cruise missile moving at Mach (insert double digit number here). This thing would probably only take a few ASMs to sink. I can imagine this thing performing extremely well in the shore support role, as those huge numbers of smaller guns would just crush everything on a beach.1. The 'A' without Umlaut is on the left side.

2. *Giggles horribly at the idea of doubledigit mach anti-ship missles* To think that some 'Modern' Tech thingies floating around here beat my main nation and its 2080- 2095ness with added ludicrous wank XD

But more generally speaking, the idea of such a ludicrously huge vessel is that it can take a fuckton of hits (Even armour piercing one. A construction issue, mainly. A proper floating fortress has to be like a series of bunkers) and still floats (And is still partly combat-capable). Which I kinda suppose it can, with casual ease.

OOC:There are no conventional IRBMs today... as a matter of fact there are no IRBMs at all today, at least not in Russin and American control. All IRBMs(with the exception of France, China and, possibly, Britian) scrapped their IRBMs at one of the Arms Control Talks in the 80s. The countries that did not do not have conventional IRBMs. IRBMs are STRATEGIC missiles, and the only strategic ballistic missile suited to the use of chemical and bio weapons. I think what you are refering to is MRBMs and SRBMs. Both of which are well suited to carry large payloads of conventional weapons. HOWEVER, MRBMs(the Pershing 2 is an example) can be intercepted by the more advanced PATRIOT versions(Namely PAC-2 and PAC-3 versions) while SRBMs(the SCUD and FROG-7 are examples) can be intercepted by certain NAVAL SAMs(namely the SM-2-ER) as well as PATRIOTs.

Hrm. Ok, could be that I confused terminology, here. Would 'Ballistic missile with a range of less than 1000km & a conventional payload' a sufficient description of what I'm thinking about?

ooc: I äm (heck yea, German keyboard with umlauts) highly aware of the fact that Kriegorgrad's military isn't the best, however, this floating fortress doesn't have enough protection against missiles. CIWS guns aren't exactly efficient weapons systems and your armor isn't going to stop an NS cruise missile moving at Mach (insert double digit number here). This thing would probably only take a few ASMs to sink. I can imagine this thing performing extremely well in the shore support role, as those huge numbers of smaller guns would just crush everything on a beach.

[snip]


OoC: Valid points, I'll consider putting SAM defence systems aboard the vessel, immediately. However, Monetistan's point does remain, this ship will take alot of hits, even ones that through into and out the other side kind of hits before finally sinking to the floor of the ocean. That said, I considered your ideas - both of you. And now I'm considering making a Floating Fortress "MKII".

ooc: The thing is, I'm wondering about the wisdom of the Kriegos military putting an unholy amount of cash into something like this. Since Kriegorgrad hinges on propaganda, one of these rather things getting sunk will do a lot to shake your nation's faith in the ability of your military. The psychological impact of the loss of an SD is greater than the impact of losing literally hundreds of small and cheap ships, mainly because so much more psychological investment is required in an SD than with a smaller ship. Kriegorgrad's purposes are better served by hundreds of small ships, not one really big one.

OOC:What kind of missiles? Cruise Missiles are too easily intercepted and dont carry enough firepower. Ballistic Missiles (believe it or not) actually are capable of carrying LESS of a conventional payload then a cruise missile, that and they are to inaccurate and you can trace the ballistic trajectory back to the country that did it(unless it was a submarine launch) AND they are not homing AND the enemy would think you were launching a WMD AND(last and, I promise) it can be intercepted by anti-ballistic missile defenses(in the boost and bus phases at least, theoretically the RV can be intercepted by a SAM(such as the Patriot or SM-2-ER Block IV), but you would need specialised targetting computers).
Well what you have launched IS a missile. It's just that yours is shaped like a satellite and is therefore a very inefficient missile. And THIS can be intercepted by a SAM, can be traced back to its home nation (provided that the enemy is willing to trawl through lots of satellite launch records, which they probably are if you just dropped one on their fleet) and this can also not be homing in any real sense due to the massive heat (which I doubt it would survive) that it will be exposed to in re-entry. All you have made is a really big ICBM.

ooc: The thing is, I'm wondering about the wisdom of the Kriegos military putting an unholy amount of cash into something like this. Since Kriegorgrad hinges on propaganda, one of these rather things getting sunk will do a lot to shake your nation's faith in the ability of your military.
OOC: The great thing about propaganda is that you can just as easily hide such a disaster. For instance, consider all of the near nuclear accidents that occurred during the Cold War that neither the US nor the USSR reported to the general public. It's primarily for display, but if one does get destroyed and the public finds out about it, it would be said to have been "destroyed by an overwhelming force in a great display of patriotic fervour to the greater glory of Kriegos and the Oligarchy Hierarchy!" Or something like that.

Hee, be kind of interesting to see how one of these fared against a real Floating Fortress (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/Eurusea/Fortress15ultratext.jpg).

Well, not much chance of that. =^_^=