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And so assembled, for the good of the people, the world and for God's will, this conclave is assembled.
For the selection of the Supreme Pontiff, who is upon Earth(II) the word of God;
And the selection of the Cardinals, who maintain God's will throughout the world.

Here is the latest Cardinal list:
Europe: Cardinal " " of Rome
Africa: Cardinal Hanno Antonius of Carthage
Asia-West: Cardinal Rossal of Georgia (TKT)
Asia-Central: Cardinal Cutino of India (Elephaantum)
Pacific: Cardinal " " of Cotland
South/Latin America: Cardinal Luis Aponte Martinez

The Candidates of Pope:
Cardinal Hanno Antonius
Cardinal Luis Aponte Martinez

While the majority of Cotland's population are of the baptist faith, there are a considerable amount of Catholics ( 27 % of the Christian population, which numbers 94,7 % of the people ). Therefor, Cotland wish to have a cardinal or two in the Holy See.

theres gonna be 127 in the real thing, i think 8 is too few, maybe 8 participating countries, but not with 1 cardinal each. Also, it should be divisible by 3, since you need 2/3+1 to be Pope. Seeing as i have 100 million people in Earth 2 (615m total), I would like a couple of Cardinals
most of Sicilys four million inhabitants are Catholic.

theres gonna be 127 in the real thing, i think 8 is too few, maybe 8 participating countries, but not with 1 cardinal each. Also, it should be divisible by 3, since you need 2/3+1 to be Pope. Seeing as i have 100 million people in Earth 2 (615m total), I would like a couple of Cardinals
most of Sicilys four million inhabitants are Catholic.

OOC: That's true, but I'm not sure if we're going to get 127 able to vote. We could pretend that we have that many there and allocate accordingly, though (i.e. one nation = 15 votes).

OOC: What should I have?

I mean, I think a Cardinal would be wwwwwaaaaaaaaaaayyy too big for just Carthage, but an Archdiocese might be fitting. After all, the Church in Carthage was very powerful until the muslims came and ran the Byzantines outta town.

Madras, or the Madras Archdiocese, could have a cardinal, but they're not very christian

TLS, wanna split a Sicilian Cardinal?

8 ( or 9, as it does need the whole 2/3 thing) is a number that works, simply because we will have a problem getting the 127 number. For example, your nation may have 100 million people, but as a Sultanate and (i think) a self-described Muslim nation, those numbers arent really important. How many catholics you have is more important, but that doesnt take into account many other things. So I say we each get one 3 votes (like the idea Rome, but 15 is alot) and each nation that participates gets 1 cardinal. This is just the only way to make it even. If one nation's cardinal is elected Pope, that Cardinal is replaced. Pretty much, at this point, we need a roll call, as in:
"The Knight Templars have sent their cardinal " " to the conclave"
we kinda need to do this first.

8 ( or 9, as it does need the whole 2/3 thing) is a number that works, simply because we will have a problem getting the 127 number. For example, your nation may have 100 million people, but as a Sultanate and (i think) a self-described Muslim nation, those numbers arent really important. How many catholics you have is more important, but that doesnt take into account many other things. So I say we each get one 3 votes (like the idea Rome, but 15 is alot) and each nation that participates gets 1 cardinal. This is just the only way to make it even. If one nation's cardinal is elected Pope, that Cardinal is replaced. Pretty much, at this point, we need a roll call, as in:
"The Knight Templars have sent their cardinal " " to the conclave"
we kinda need to do this first.

Sooooo....

Should Carthage be an Archdiocese or what?

OOC: What should I have?

I mean, I think a Cardinal would be wwwwwaaaaaaaaaaayyy too big for just Carthage, but an Archdiocese might be fitting. After all, the Church in Carthage was very powerful until the muslims came and ran the Byzantines outta town.

Well, the US isn't predominantly Catholic and yet they have a lot of bishops. So too could Carthage (which was at one point Roman Catholic).

Well, the US isn't predominantly Catholic and yet they have a lot of bishops. So too could Carthage (which was at one point Roman Catholic).

Carthage, actually, was at one point arguably one of the most Catholic places on Earth.

Of course, that kinda changed when the muslims came and defeated the Byzantines.

Carthage, actually, was at one point arguably one of the most Catholic places on Earth.

Of course, that kinda changed when the muslims came and defeated the Byzantines.

699...I remember it well. Well...you get the point.

699...I remember it well. Well...you get the point.

That's why I think that either Carthage should be an Archdiocese, have the Cardinal in Carthage, or both.

Carthage can have a Cardinal
the Cardinal from Carthage, then, will be the one that covers most of Northern Africa as a result; there are enough people in the region to justify this.

How 'bout me? I can take the Pacific.

Again, I think most of the participating nations can have a cardinal. Rome can have a Cardinal (Southern Europe), Carthage (Northern Africa), Elephantum (Central Asia- Bahrain, India), TIOR (China) and so on.
Of course, the main point of a conclave is to have a POPE. Any nominees?

Cotland- Pacific- that would be fine.

Im gonna jump the gun . . .
The Poor Fellow Soldiers of Jesus Christ and the Temple of Solomon nominate our own Cardinal Rossal for the papacy.

As of right now, we seem to have for cardinals:
Europe: Cardinal "?" of Rome
Africa: Cardinal "?" of Carthage
Asia-West: Cardinal Rossal of Georgia (TKT)
Pacific: Cardinal "?" of " " (Cotland)
and elephantum . . not entirely sure where to put him . .
also, the more that come, the more that vote . . .
this is continuous

I would like to participate in any way that I can

with 60% of Slovakia being Catholic

I would like to participate in any way that I can

with 60% of Slovakia being Catholic

Ahh you make me happy I didn't put you under Decree 12!

As of right now, we seem to have for cardinals:
Europe: Cardinal "?" of Rome
Africa: Cardinal "?" of Carthage
Asia-West: Cardinal Rossal of Georgia (TKT)
Pacific: Cardinal "?" of " " (Cotland)
and elephantum . . not entirely sure where to put him . .
also, the more that come, the more that vote . . .
this is continuous
Make me Cardinal Cutino of India, he moved from a Sicilian Dioscese to be the leader of Christianity in Elephanti India

From the pen of Cardinal Luis Aponte Martinez
My friends, these times are indeed trying. The sounds of war echo throughout the merest reaches of man, whilst high above us angels weep at the sight of our race hell-bent on destroying one another by any means. The storm clouds gather, and yet, our Lord Jesus Christ is the master of all storms.

Our church is at a crossroads. Even as the numbers of the ordained fall in NOrth America and Europe, our ranks of brothers and sisters in Christ swell in Latin America, the very diocese of which I am the head. I can most certainly attest the stalwart character and impeccable moral authority of these fine Catholics.

In the midst of tumultuos upheavals actross the world, these Catholic flocks follow in the model of Jesus Christ, the lamb, in an example of peace and caring. And this my fellow apostles in Christ is exactly what I would do should I be elected the Bishop of Rome. My message would be one of caring for fellow humans, for following in Christ's example. No message of hate, of intolerance, of support for warmongering would ever come forth from the Holy See should I become the head of our Catholic faith.

My brothers in faith, I urbge you to depart from tradition and listen to thios campaign, this plea to be heard. A great storm approaches which will surely engulf the Catholic faith. This storm will only bvring death, war, and ruin with it. I sincerely believe that my tenure as cardinal has prepared me, prepared my teachings, and prepared my governing for the means to weather this storm,. To bring faith to all Christians, Catholic or not. And most importantly, to follow in the example of Jesus Christ and let others follow with me.

Cardinal Luis Aponte Martinez

[OOC- Actual campaigning. And do vote for me. I can promise you some inrteresting RPing will come about as a result. Imagine the pope telling all CAtholics not to fight in the upcoming war. Imagine how many might listen and the RPing posssibilities it would give....]

[OOC2- Fine. Here are reasons in list form.
He's holy.
He can easily draw more latinos into the church, a huge area of gfrowing Catholicism.
He has a very stern stance against war and other non-Jesus-like actions.
He will practice acceptance of other faiths and cultures, hopefully ending religious strife.
He will attempt to get more Catholics to return to the church.
He'll work with leaders of other major world religions to present unified stances on major issues.
Would not force conversions.
Would not form a church military, seeing as how that goes against basic Catholic values.
Would stop mass-conversions to other religions throughout some aeas of South America, Africa, and southeast Asia.

He's also damn sexy. :)
Plus I have some smashingly good ideas on where I might go with this pope RP-wsie. So don't disappoint me! Vote for our man Luis!]

Our Cardinal is Hanno Antonius (http://catholicose.org/PauloseII/MorJoseph.jpg) of Carthage.

Here is the Desert Cathedral (http://photos.nondot.org/2003-03-23-LasVegas/2003-03-26%20-%20Caesar's%20Palace,%20Statues,%20Fish!/normal/41%20-%20Inside%20the%20Desert%20Passage.jpg), the Cathedral outside of Carthage where the Cardinal, uh, does his Cardinal stuff.

Oh, and we'd like to nominate him for Pope.

Reasons:
Would take a stand against the rise of Islam.
Would crack-down on mass conversions to protestantism in Latin America.
Would travel the Catholic world to see how to fix the problems in person.
He is at the ripe age of 64.
He will fight for the poor.
He will work to destroy communism.
He will work to destroy atheism.
He will defend traditional Catholic values.
Will be the first African-Arab Pope.
Because he pwnz0rz.
Will re-new ties with the Orthodox Churches.
Will convert more people. By force, if need be.
Will re-instate the Vatican military.

From the pen of Cardinal Luis Aponte Martinez
My friends, these times are indeed trying. The sounds of war echo throughout the merest reaches of man, whilst high above us angels weep at the sight of our race hell-bent on destroying one another by any means. The storm clouds gather, and yet, our Lord Jesus Christ is the master of all storms.

Our church is at a crossroads. Even as the numbers of the ordained fall in NOrth America and Europe, our ranks of brothers and sisters in Christ swell in Latin America, the very diocese of which I am the head. I can most certainly attest the stalwart character and impeccable moral authority of these fine Catholics.

In the midst of tumultuos upheavals actross the world, these Catholic flocks follow in the model of Jesus Christ, the lamb, in an example of peace and caring. And this my fellow apostles in Christ is exactly what I would do should I be elected the Bishop of Rome. My message would be one of caring for fellow humans, for following in Christ's example. No message of hate, of intolerance, of support for warmongering would ever come forth from the Holy See should I become the head of our Catholic faith.

My brothers in faith, I urbge you to depart from tradition and listen to thios campaign, this plea to be heard. A great storm approaches which will surely engulf the Catholic faith. This storm will only bvring death, war, and ruin with it. I sincerely believe that my tenure as cardinal has prepared me, prepared my teachings, and prepared my governing for the means to weather this storm,. To bring faith to all Christians, Catholic or not. And most importantly, to follow in the example of Jesus Christ and let others follow with me.

Cardinal Luis Aponte Martinez

[OOC- Actual campaigning. And do vote for me. I can promise you some inrteresting RPing will come about as a result. Imagine the pope telling all CAtholics not to fight in the upcoming war. Imagine how many might listen and the RPing posssibilities it would give....]

[OOC2- Fine. Here are reasons in list form.
He's holy.
He can easily draw more latinos into the church, a huge area of gfrowing Catholicism.
He has a very stern stance against war and other non-Jesus-like actions.
He will practice acceptance of other faiths and cultures, hopefully ending religious strife.
He will attempt to get more Catholics to return to the church.
He'll work with leaders of other major world religions to present unified stances on major issues.

He's also damn sexy. :)
Plus I have some smashingly good ideas on where I might go with this pope RP-wsie. So don't disappoint me! Vote for our man Luis!]


From the Pen of Cardinal Hanno Antonius of Carthage

While all followers of the lord Jesus Christ do not wish for bloodshed, the war is upon us! In my very country, Muslims have begun attack on Christians as they have elsewhere.You have forgotten what really threatens the church. If a man such as you, who does not know how to deal with other faiths do to the fact that you live in the mostly-Catholic Latin America, were to be Pope, then all hope would be lost! Only men with many dealings with many religions (such as myself) can lead the church in these trying times.

Yes, our Church is at a Crossroads. All over the world(including your precious Latin America), our numbers are falling. In Europe, the Atheists are gaining power. In Africa and Asia, the Muslims are swelling in numbers. In North America, radical followers of the jew-hating, fear-mongering, peasant-hating Martin Luther have taken hold! In Latin America, the people convert to this "protestantism". We must stop this tide at once!

In these times, the Catholic people flee to people such as you, but you do not understand their troubles. While you sit all high and might in Latin America where you are considered almost a god, I walk through the desert where I am despised by many. However, it is here that the faithful need the most help. The poor and the suffering, without basic nescessities, suffer in the desert while Cardinals such as yourself sit in your homes and drink wine! You do not know how other religions affect our people, who are losing numbers all over the world.

Factions inside the church also fight bitterly. The far-leftists use extreme ideas(such as gay women clergy, for example) and the far-right live in the past. If these factions battle as they do now, then our great Church will crumble. Only I, who see's all sides and knows how to deal with them, can stop this fighting.

The only way we can respond to this "great storm" is to take the offensive. Not with arms, but with words(however, if need be, Arms will be used.) The church has become out of touch with the common man, and the people are converting to our greatest rival: Islam. That religion shows that it cares for it's people, and while we have the holy savior Jesus Christ on our side, the people are suffering and turn to where they are not forgotten. So please, if you wish to save your church from destruction from the inside and out, vote me for your Pope. The fate of the world depends on it.

Cardinal Hanno Antonius

OOC: That was a campaign speech as well. And don't think you are the only one who has big plans and RP's for the Church, Sam.

Cardinal Cutino will not actively pursue the Papacy, but his views can be summed up in the following-

Make masses in Latin again
Discourage "lighter" forms of Christianity
Add more converts
Bring back the Inquisition!
increase Church power in politics

As of right now, we seem to have for cardinals:
Europe: Cardinal "?" of Rome
Africa: Cardinal "?" of Carthage
Asia-West: Cardinal Rossal of Georgia (TKT)
Pacific: Cardinal "?" of " " (Cotland)
and elephantum . . not entirely sure where to put him . .
also, the more that come, the more that vote . . .
this is continuous

Just for clarity, do you want me to select a Cardinal to run?

The Templars, recognizing that it is out duty to serve the church, and not to have sovreignty over it, have withdrawn our candidate. We will support the candidate who will insure the rights and privileges The Church gave to the Templars in the 11th Century, and who will protect the Church, both spiritually and physically. But we must be assured our place within the Church shall not be diminished (hint hint . . Antonius)

Pantheaa: I have you as an archbishop, because I cant find a region that you can be the Cardinal of. If you can, and want to participate, holla back yo

Rome: You dont have to run for Pope. Just showing you have a cardinal, who will have a vote for the new Pope.
It would currently take 4 votes to be declared da Pope

OOC: My cardinal is Cardinal Francis Rothschild. You others would have to convince him why he should choose you.

OOC: My cardinal is Cardinal Francis Rothschild. You others would have to convince him why he should choose you.

OOC: Ask away, Cotland! I'll respond to any of your questions.

Here is the latest Cardinal list:
Europe: Cardinal " " of Rome
Africa: Cardinal Hanno Antonius of Carthage
Asia-West: Cardinal Rossal of Georgia (TKT)
Asia-Central: Cardinal Cutino of India (Elephaantum)
Pacific: Cardinal " " of Cotland
South/Latin America: Cardinal Luis Aponte Martinez

The Candidates of Pope:
Cardinal Hanno Antonius
Cardinal Cutino
Cardinal Luis Aponte Martinez

The Templars, recognizing that it is out duty to serve the church, and not to have sovreignty over it, have withdrawn our candidate. We will support the candidate who will insure the rights and privileges The Church gave to the Templars in the 11th Century, and who will protect the Church, both spiritually and physically. But we must be assured our place within the Church shall not be diminished (hint hint . . Antonius)

Pantheaa: I have you as an archbishop, because I cant find a region that you can be the Cardinal of. If you can, and want to participate, holla back yo

OOC: So you are like the Swiss? They protect the Vatican, maintain it, etc, but they don't run the place?

Cutinos not running for the papacy, thats just his beliefs summed up, to show who he might support

Rome: You dont have to run for Pope. Just showing you have a cardinal, who will have a vote for the new Pope.
It would currently take 4 votes to be declared da Pope

Well, if you insist: my Cardinal is Pallus Carnivalus, a staunch liberal.

I guess i'm kinda like the Swiss in that respect. I kinda have The Vatican is Earth (II), so thats why I am in the position I'm in. I originally was just declare myself Pope, but lots of others can get involved, and I changed my mind.
It was the original Knight Templars job anyway to protect the Church, and this is kinda seredipiity. I'm almost kinda renting the Vatican from Rome as part of another deal, so it just happened this way.
Rome: Ya not being forced. ya can come and go as ya please, of course. Just thought Italy needed a Cardinal

I guess i'm kinda like the Swiss in that respect. I kinda have The Vatican is Earth (II), so thats why I am in the position I'm in. I originally was just declare myself Pope, but lots of others can get involved, and I changed my mind.
It was the original Knight Templars job anyway to protect the Church, and this is kinda seredipiity. I'm almost kinda renting the Vatican from Rome as part of another deal, so it just happened this way.
Rome: Ya not being forced. ya can come and go as ya please, of course. Just thought Italy needed a Cardinal

I know. I was just confused given your position within the Roman Empire (as head of the Roman part of the Catholic Church), but then I figured that there still would be a Cardinal at Rome, and he'd be VERY influential. So I'll have the Cardinal I outlined before.

From the pen of Cardinal Luis Aponte Martinez

How the cardinal of Carthage was ever appointed I do not know, but I am sincere in my condemnation of his rash actions and even rasher words. The course he prepares for us leads not in the way of the Lord, but on the pathway to damnation!

Antonious accuses me of delusional views; he accuses me of being out of touch with the common Catholic; he accuses me of not seeing the way to save the Catholic church and the Catholic faith. Indeed I say to you- should our church ever fall under the sway of this man, should his word become the law of the Catholic faith that would be a faith I no longer would adhere to.

His attack upon me is as laughable as it is unfounded. I do not live in luxury, surroundedf by the poor. I live in the Cardional’s apartments in Havana. There is no wealth surrounded by poverty, there is no greed surrounded by the starving poor. I give to my community, I help the poor throughout South America. And it troubles me to see a candidate for pope would ever attack a fellow man of God in that manner.

War approaches, yes, war approaches, and yet Cardinal Antonious does nothing to stop this bloddletting. He speaks of using force if necessary to further the Catholic faith! Fellow believers, does this not run counter to the bible itself? As stated in Isaiah 2:3-4, “3And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.”

I take this to heart in the coming times. The Catholic church should not, WILL not revert to the times of the Crusades. War is the anti-thesis of the Lord Christ’s teachings, and here we have a cardinal in our church preaching for it?! What times we live in when the teachings of the Lord are once again ignored, yet his name uis called upon for an asset.

I am not out of touch, indeed, it is Cardinal Antonious who is far removed from any rational, any holy Catholic. “Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD,” says Leviticus 19:18, and yet, Antonious preaches a message of hatred for other children of God, children who happen to follow other religious faiths. Faiths which have been linked to the sane God for all eternity! Antonious treats our brothers and sisters throughout the world who follow other faiths as if they were little more then heathens, things without value who must be cleansed, unless they convert. This mindset led to the Crusades, to the Holocaust, and to far many more tragedies.

Matthew 5:38-45 is perhaps the definitive passage on the views Antonious has us looking at- the views that Catholicism is being assaulted, that we are soon to be under literal attack. And yet, it is not in the nature of good Catholics to fight back equally, or even at all. No,“38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.”

Antonious preaches the words of tragedy. He preaches the words of division. He preaches the words of hatred. He does not preach the words of God. When I was but a humble pastor for the remote jungle regions of South America, I was exposed to great suffering, and yet, also great tenacity. The people of that region had all the reason to doubt in God- their families lived in poverty, greedy industrialists encroached upon their land, crops failed. And yet, their spirituality astounded me. How can those so poor in body be so rich in spirit?

I have taken that thought with me throughout my years as a leader in the church. Now, with a man who should not be in consideration in the first place running for the papacy, I look back at that thought and look at the world. The people do not need to be threatened. They do not need to be cajoled. They need to simply connect with our Lord.

Hatred, threats, warfare, violence. These are not the way to connect to our God. If you consider yourself a Catholic, if you consider yourself a man of God, you will not vote for Antonious. I do not care if the vote falls for me- Antonious should never get near the position of the papacy. And I call on you, as true Catholics, not to put him in that position.

Cardinal Rossal condemns the fallacies that Cardinal Martinez has chosen to spread across this conclave. While he is clearly a man of God in tune with His teachings of humility and forgivness, he fails to remember his duty to others. While he is able to quote passages that do promote humility, apparently he has mis-interpreted them or used them falsly. While the citation of Isiah and Leviticus is nice, remember that upon His entry to earth Jesus Christ became the new covenant, and it is his word that is eternal. While the Old Testamant is valuable, it is flawed and outdated by the word of His grace, in the new testament.
His qoutes of Mathew speak of forgivness (love thine enemy, as you must forgive those who sin against you to be forgiven) and humility (turn the other cheek, and give not into hate, but stay humble). But not righteous defense of christendom. In the words of Saint Augustine, "The defense of Christendom is the defense of Christ." To betray this sacred duty is a sin that cannot be allowed in the papacy. God so commanded David to destroy the Phillistines, and when David could not stand the killing and gave up, god chastised him. (Book of Kings)
And rememer Mathew 16:18, which decrees the sanctity of the Papacy we are here to decide, and remember that as the messenger of God, in such manners the Pope is infallible. When Pope Urban II, as the man carrying the infallable word of God, decreed the need for the Crusades, he was not wrong. But Cardinal Martinez is asking the holy mother church to turn it's back on the Bible, the Pope and the will of God by ending all forms of righteous defense. While it is obvious he is a great man, and should be honored for his commitment to the Church, his lack of commitment to the true will of God is why The Templars urge others do not support him, until he changes said chance. In the same stroke, The Poor Fellow Order of Jesus Christ and the Temple of Solomon, and so Cardinal Rossal, endorse Cardinal Antonius

Rome: Pretty much, I think the Pontifex Catholica position would have to be your Cardinal. The Vatican would just be semi-neutral zone, as it would be do hard to switch for every Pope, so it can stay the way it is now.

I'm not really involved in this at all, but what's this talk of Atheism growing in Europe?

Germania has 3.13 billion followers of the Teutonic Church! These in the countries of Austria, Hungary, France, Belgium, Holland, Luxembourg, Germany, Denmark, Poland, Belarus, Lithuania, Svalbard, and Corsica.

They're not Catholic, but they're definitely not Atheist.

From the pen of Cardinal Luis Aponte Martinez

How the cardinal of Carthage was ever appointed I do not know, but I am sincere in my condemnation of his rash actions and even rasher words. The course he prepares for us leads not in the way of the Lord, but on the pathway to damnation!

Antonious accuses me of delusional views; he accuses me of being out of touch with the common Catholic; he accuses me of not seeing the way to save the Catholic church and the Catholic faith. Indeed I say to you- should our church ever fall under the sway of this man, should his word become the law of the Catholic faith that would be a faith I no longer would adhere to.

His attack upon me is as laughable as it is unfounded. I do not live in luxury, surroundedf by the poor. I live in the Cardional’s apartments in Havana. There is no wealth surrounded by poverty, there is no greed surrounded by the starving poor. I give to my community, I help the poor throughout South America. And it troubles me to see a candidate for pope would ever attack a fellow man of God in that manner.

War approaches, yes, war approaches, and yet Cardinal Antonious does nothing to stop this bloddletting. He speaks of using force if necessary to further the Catholic faith! Fellow believers, does this not run counter to the bible itself? As stated in Isaiah 2:3-4, “3And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.”

I take this to heart in the coming times. The Catholic church should not, WILL not revert to the times of the Crusades. War is the anti-thesis of the Lord Christ’s teachings, and here we have a cardinal in our church preaching for it?! What times we live in when the teachings of the Lord are once again ignored, yet his name uis called upon for an asset.

I am not out of touch, indeed, it is Cardinal Antonious who is far removed from any rational, any holy Catholic. “Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD,” says Leviticus 19:18, and yet, Antonious preaches a message of hatred for other children of God, children who happen to follow other religious faiths. Faiths which have been linked to the sane God for all eternity! Antonious treats our brothers and sisters throughout the world who follow other faiths as if they were little more then heathens, things without value who must be cleansed, unless they convert. This mindset led to the Crusades, to the Holocaust, and to far many more tragedies.

Matthew 5:38-45 is perhaps the definitive passage on the views Antonious has us looking at- the views that Catholicism is being assaulted, that we are soon to be under literal attack. And yet, it is not in the nature of good Catholics to fight back equally, or even at all. No,“38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.”

Antonious preaches the words of tragedy. He preaches the words of division. He preaches the words of hatred. He does not preach the words of God. When I was but a humble pastor for the remote jungle regions of South America, I was exposed to great suffering, and yet, also great tenacity. The people of that region had all the reason to doubt in God- their families lived in poverty, greedy industrialists encroached upon their land, crops failed. And yet, their spirituality astounded me. How can those so poor in body be so rich in spirit?

I have taken that thought with me throughout my years as a leader in the church. Now, with a man who should not be in consideration in the first place running for the papacy, I look back at that thought and look at the world. The people do not need to be threatened. They do not need to be cajoled. They need to simply connect with our Lord.

Hatred, threats, warfare, violence. These are not the way to connect to our God. If you consider yourself a Catholic, if you consider yourself a man of God, you will not vote for Antonious. I do not care if the vote falls for me- Antonious should never get near the position of the papacy. And I call on you, as true Catholics, not to put him in that position.


From the pen of Hanno Antonius of Carthage

As has been said before, as a Cardinal of the Catholic church, you should not be changing the meanings of passages in the Holy Bible. I doubt that the apostles believed that, when their religion itself was under attack, we should not respond.

From what you have said, it appears that you are a manipulator of words. Did I say that I would kill every non-believer in sight? No, yet that's what it sounds like you are saying. I said that I would combat our enemies, hopefully by peaceful means but if need be, war there shall be.

You claim that you do not live in luxury? That is laughable. You live in a country where Cardinals are revered, almost(Key word: almost) worshiped, and where everyone loves them. I live in the harsh desert, surrounded by a people and a religion that sees me as a black sheep, a wayward leader, a man who is not a true follower of God. I once had all that you have now, and you don't realise what something is worth until you have lost it.

Before our recent Civil War Carthage had a healthy Catholic church of 10 million members. Catholics lived side-by-side with Muslims in peace, as they have for centuries all over the world. Recently, however, radical Muslims have attacked our people. You may not realise this in your South America, where the church has been confirmed as the sole religion for many years, but here on the front lines I see the affect this has on our people. Our followers are leaving the church because we do nothing while they are being murdered for their beliefs.

Back on the topic of luxury; I live in a hut. And by hut, I mean and actual hut. I believe that for one to be close to the Lord and the people, you must get rid of all other distractions. You live in the city, where you have your 24 hour convenience stores, your electricity and your plumbing. Even when you travel throughout your domain, you are surrounded by food and water. I, on the other hand, travel through a war-torn continent where the people have been forgotten by their leaders, and try though I might they have lost faith in the Catholic church and go to other religions. We must prove to them that the Catholic church is there to help them, not enforce rules on them that do nothing but hurt them.

In my many years as cardinal, I have seen civil wars where millions die, famine where entire cities have starved to death. I have seen religious tension break out into full-scale war, with genocidal affects. I do not wish to lead our religion down that path, but our church is under attack. If we sit by and watch as our followers convert to Islam, Protestantism, or even Atheism and do nothing, we might as well lie down and die.

You claim that you are the best man for the job, yet you have said nothing of what you would do to interact with other religions. Sure, you will say something along the lines of "co-exist peacefully etc etc", but you must go deeper than that. Every other religion must be tackled differently, and if you go forward thinking that the will of the Lord will propel you to quick victory, then you will soon be defeated by the will of the people. I must deal with Catholics, protestants, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, and Buddhists every day, and I know how to interact with them. In fact, my closest friends are an Imam, the Bishop of Carthage, a Buddhist Monk, a Rabbi, a Baptist Priest, and a Hindu priest. I would not like to see any harm befal these people or their religions, but every religion has it's radicals, and their radicals wish us all to be dead.


I say this, people(yes, people, not only cardinals); there are some elements in our church who believe that we are invincible, that the catholic church will last forever and that we do not need to fear the rise of other religions. I am not one of those people. If someone with that mindset is elected(such as my esteemed opponent, Cardinal Martinez), then our church will not last more than a few more generations.


Once again, Cardinal Martinez, you truly are a manipulator of words. I say that I am willing to fight for the Lord, and you claim I wish to start genocide and war. I am not that person, Cardinal, but here this. I will not start a "crusade", but sure as I love the Lord and the people, I will end it.

And i posted as one of my puppets (Krawkovia) so that above post is mine. My bad.