NationStates Jolt Archive

Who has the best?

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Weeps for you too! :(-Of course the correct answer is mine!

Not going to vote, unless you put my own in. ;)

Look at HotRodia's Storefront List.

Neither will I vote unless mine is in there.

I'll just say it seems a bit unfair to other storefront owners that I have two entries on there (Portland Iron Works and Avalon Aerospace Corporation).

umm, what about Roman Republic?

The roman republic storefront is rubbish, all it does is copy modern tech from RL. Good storefronts like the IPS explain things and actually make their own technology.

Do you people actualy know you can produce anything thats around in RL right? Without having to BUY it from a storefront?

You only buy things when:

1) You can't build it yourself(to young, being invaded, etc).

2) Its NS, in which case its copyrighted and you'll need to buy it.

The roman republic storefront is rubbish, all it does is copy modern tech from RL. Good storefronts like the IPS explain things and actually make their own technology.

that's the point there used in rl because they are good at there jobs unlike most of the homemade tech here which is massivly exspensive

ALPHAtech Industries is a superb example of a storefront, balanced information and actual products that aren't just linked from Globalsecurity or a small arms site, some true work went in to storefront.

I demand it be included.

Not all invented tech is hugely expensive, just some. I think the people who post massive lists of RL tech are stupid becuse they can't invent things themselves. I also disagree with the point that RL tech is 'good' at their jobs. Its not necessarily amazing because the Americans make it.

that's the point there used in rl because they are good at there jobs unlike most of the homemade tech here which is massivly exspensiveI have to agree with Bristols People and Dumpsterdam. If I wanted a Ticonderoga, I could just build one without having to buy them from anyone. If I wanted a Type 45 Daring or a Arleigh Burke IIA, I'd build one.

Besides that, you can't claim copyrights on RL equipment. You can claim a copyright on a design you create here yourself since it's your own intellectual property. Or, you can claim a copyright on a modification of an existing design (for instance, replacing a 16" triple turret on a Iowa with a missile launcher).

One other thing to keep in mind, most NS wars require designs to be much stronger than RL designs, so a Iowa would be rubbish in a NS war even if it could still be effective as a shore bombardment tool IRL.

that's the point there used in rl because they are good at there jobs unlike most of the homemade tech here which is massivly exspensive
Two points:

1) RL tech is unsuited to NS. How many world wars have you seen in your lifetime? How many times have you seen the US go to war with a nation that uses Challengers? Or Leopards? Or something even better than that? The perfect example is the Iowa - it's a 60 year old design, but everyone thinks it's excellent just because the US has kept them going (they are actually mothballed now, but whatever). Don't you think that in 60 years someone could make something better?

2) If you want RL tech you can just build it yourself. You don't have to buy it from a storefront.

EDIT: Still, storefront that just reel off pages and pages of stats taken from Army Technology or whatever seem to do quite well.

I agree with Praetonia, storefronts with units designed for NS are far better. In fact the Praetonian storefront itself is one of the best..........

Besides Praetonia's points, NS wars are very different even from RL wars. The technology is vastly different. An Abrams may or may not be a good tank IRL, but it would be as overmatched against NS-designed tanks as the Sherman was against the Tiger in World War II, if not more so.

And don't get me started on U.S. ships. They're absolutely horrible for NS purposes, particularly with their mostly paper thin armour. Most NATO missiles couldn't even scratch the paint on a Doujin. On top of that, RL designs are woefully underarmed when compared to their NS counterparts.

Barely anyone has respect for my store. Well at least I have my own "homemade" design. The Kombayn Nikoladze Battleship. It has a crew of 95 men like the DD(X) and the guns automatically reload like the AGS.

Two points:

1) RL tech is unsuited to NS. How many world wars have you seen in your lifetime? How many times have you seen the US go to war with a nation that uses Challengers? Or Leopards? Or something even better than that? The perfect example is the Iowa - it's a 60 year old design, but everyone thinks it's excellent just because the US has kept them going (they are actually mothballed now, but whatever). Don't you think that in 60 years someone could make something better?



You know why those tanks you metioned arn't there in real life because all that shit is expensive to other countries. Thats why Russia sell effective tanks. A Leopard Tank is shit because it can be blown with one Chemical or SABOT round.

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In General, I get overlooked, in II, I get overlooked. I always get overlooked!
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HELLO?!?!? I DO EXIST!!!!!

Links are always nice...I think Grays Hill's has very godmodey low prices, but I don't have a link handy. ;)
Besides Praetonia's points, NS wars are very different even from RL wars. The technology is vastly different. An Abrams may or may not be a good tank IRL, but it would be as overmatched against NS-designed tanks as the Sherman was against the Tiger in World War II, if not more so.

And don't get me started on U.S. ships. They're absolutely horrible for NS purposes, particularly with their mostly paper thin armour. Most NATO missiles couldn't even scratch the paint on a Doujin. On top of that, RL designs are woefully underarmed when compared to their NS counterparts.Yep, a godmoder can easily pwn the best stuff from real life...Until someone sees the godmoder for who he is. (Yeah, you can do better than RL, but the NS super tanks and ships are huge godmodes.)
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HELLO?!?!? I DO EXIST!!!!!I think you're lying. >_>
(Sorry, I do understand the problem! :( )

Scrupulously avoided voting for my own (partly because I feel others have done better, to be honest), I chose those sites that combined originality, clarity, and thoroughness. I would have also voted for Red Star Industries (DPUO), which has a fair amount of work behind it as well.

I have my own store fronts in my signature.

I also suggest these store fronts:

Origonal Future Tech Store Front
Excelsior Military Industries (Kyanges)
Phoenix Dynamix Storefront

Yep, a godmoder can easily pwn the best stuff from real life...Until someone sees the godmoder for who he is. (Yeah, you can do better than RL, but the NS super tanks and ships are huge godmodes.)As a matter of fact, many of the people who design their own equipment for NS that are on this list aren't Godmoders and have devoted a lot of time to research, typing, and verifying their products before they ever "go live" with them. The fact that you suggest that a lot of the people on this list are Godmoders is insulting to be blunt about it.

I wouldn't have devoted man-hours to development, posted draft versions of designs I've worked hard to conceptualise, develop, and type the information and descriptions about them to come up with something half-hearted. If you want nothing but RL technology, feel free to go off and RP with that small percentage of people who feel the same way you do. Don't try to dictate the kind of technology that other people who have poured their hearts and souls into this game should use.

You know why those tanks you metioned arn't there in real life because all that shit is expensive to other countries. Thats why Russia sell effective tanks. A Leopard Tank is shit because it can be blown with one Chemical or SABOT round.

I don't really understand your point... a Russian tank actually can't destroy a Leopard on the front armour with either of those, and the Leopard can do the same straight back to the Russian tank. In Iraq (1991) the third most powerful tank force in the world using (admittedly old) Russian tanks was destroyed in 100 hours by Abrams and Challenger tanks to no allied loss to enemy fire. YOu're saying they are effective?

Yep, a godmoder can easily pwn the best stuff from real life...Until someone sees the godmoder for who he is. (Yeah, you can do better than RL, but the NS super tanks and ships are huge godmodes.)

Ummm... no... Believe it or not, NationStates is actually a different world to Real Life (notice all the 3bn pop nations with GDP/capita of 35k+). It's a world in which you actually need advanced military technology because nations actually have major wars around now, and there isn't just 1 or 2 allied nations that hold all the power and can do whatever they want with the others who don't stand a chance.

Let us take an example, the Harpoon missile. This is the standard anti-ship missile designed and build by the OMGz US of A!!1! and therefore is the best missile you can make without godmodding, yes? No. The Harpoon missile was designed in the 1970s with a conscious desicion to make it a quantity over quality weapon. Ie. Good enough for its task (in a world where no one armours ships... are you saying that putting steel plating on a hull is godmodding too?), but not the best they could make. In the 1970s.

I resent being called a godmodder and I think I've made my point.

Yep, a godmoder can easily pwn the best stuff from real life...Until someone sees the godmoder for who he is. (Yeah, you can do better than RL, but the NS super tanks and ships are huge godmodes.)
You seem to have an anger problem as well as issues of self-importance. Perhaps you should have them looked into?

I think you guys misunderstood my post...I also spend lots of time researching for the stuff I make (I've only posted a few of the things I've 'made', but trust me, I've 'made' a lot); that tends to be the way to come up with quality products. People who do that probably are not godmoders; I haven't seen your products, but you sound like the opposite of the people I was talking about. It's the people who say "lol I hav a new tank it has a laser and 3 gunz lol" or "wow my new battleship is 3 miles long and nothing can kill it" who are the godmoders. Go ahead with your armored missile cruisers, cleverly designed tanks, powerful missiles, and sensible rifles; NS could use more of those.

You seem to have an anger problem as well as issues of self-importance. Perhaps you should have them looked into??

I apologise for incorrectly responding to what I believed was a kneejerk reply to two individuals whom I am aware spend a great deal of time researching their projects.

I think you guys misunderstood my post...Ah, I see. It looked like it was a stab at me and other people on this list who do spend a lot of time researching and preparing their designs by the fact that you wrote that in reply to my comment. I agree with you wholeheartedly on the people who do what you mention.

I appreciate your clarification on the matter.

Nianacio: Having seen 90% of the storefronts on this list I can say that none of them are like that. The only one coming close to godmodding is Grays Hill's strangely low prices, but that isn't too bad. Really, we don't get many godmodded designs around here, and if they do exist then no one buys them.

In my opinion, the best storefront is Schulitaria Prime's Designwerks... tihe fact that it sells virtually no military technology (though that is changing) I think makes it all the more unique. Very few people are willing to research aluminium refining techniques.

In my opinion, the best storefront is Schulitaria Prime's Designwerks... tihe fact that it sells virtually no military technology (though that is changing) I think makes it all the more unique. Very few people are willing to research aluminium refining techniques.
Very good points.

I don't really understand your point... a Russian tank actually can't destroy a Leopard on the front armour with either of those, and the Leopard can do the same straight back to the Russian tank. In Iraq (1991) the third most powerful tank force in the world using (admittedly old) Russian tanks was destroyed in 100 hours by Abrams and Challenger tanks to no allied loss to enemy fire. YOu're saying they are effective?


That was not my point. Never mind. Russian tanks are effective. Look at the T-80 and T-90. They are almost the same as the M1A2. What part of third world country don't you get. I come from a third world contry. The only tanks third world countries can afford are Soviet tanks. I consider these tanks effective in combat.

That was not my point. Never mind. Russian tanks are effective. Look at the T-80 and T-90. They are almost the same as the M1A2. What part of third world country don't you get. I come from a third world contry. The only tanks third world countries can afford are Soviet tanks. I consider these tanks effective in combat.
3rd world countries don't have T-80s and T-90s. I dont even think the Russians export them (and they are more or less just as expensive as an Abrams). Third world countries use T-55s and T-60s. Which, as demonstrated in Iraq, dont hold for a moment against 1st world MBTs.

3rd world countries don't have T-80s and T-90s. I dont even think the Russians export them (and they are more or less just as expensive as an Abrams). Third world countries use T-55s and T-60s. Which, as demonstrated in Iraq, dont hold for a moment against 1st world MBTs.

Again. That was not my point. When I'm talking about Soviet tank, I mean T-55, T-60, T-72. Russian tanks are: T-80, T-90, and the new tank T-95. Iraq used T-72, I'm talking about Iraq that used to have the 4th largest military. The operations in Iraq are obivious, all whites want oil. T-90 is becoming an export verision. It's going to India.

It looked like it was a stab at me and other people on this list who do spend a lot of time researching and preparing their designs by the fact that you wrote that in reply to my comment.Hmmm, I think I may have misunderstood your post somewhat, too...:D I didn't think there would be that big a difference between RL and NS, and I consider the Doujin and similar ships to be a godmode (FWIW, it was more the guns than the actual ship.), so it sounded like you were talking of the amazing s00per weaponz. I apologize, too.

Votes for self.

Then peels out stats:

Total Sales: 269
Total Revenue: $27,337,408.359750M ($27.337...T)
Average Sale: 101,626.05338197M ($101.626...B)

Layarteb, while your storefront has one of the better lay outs, most of the items are real life equipment, also the total quantity and price of things sold does not automatically equal "the best storefront".

Layarteb, while your storefront has one of the better lay outs, most of the items are real life equipment, also the total quantity and price of things sold does not automatically equal "the best storefront".

They are RL equipment and indigenous projects (homegrown stuff) and a whole lot of people buy it. Goes to show that RL storefronts are successful (therein the point of the stats). And of course I'm going to vote it the best, it's MINE.