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Just a note: This is purely due to my own curiosity.

So: should RB remain a dictatorship?

I have to say, Pacitalians liked Roach-Busters more and were warmer to it when it was a true, life-breathing democracy.

Timothy Ell
Prime Minister of Pacitalia

RB, no. I say this from an RP perspective because it's so overdone. I'm probably the best known democracy in NS.

And that's a bad thing.

I have to say, Pacitalians liked Roach-Busters more and were warmer to it when it was a true, life-breathing democracy.

Timothy Ell
Prime Minister of Pacitalia

(OOC: Please give your OOC, rather than IC, opinion. Thanks!)

RB, no. I say this from an RP perspective because it's so overdone. I'm probably the best known democracy in NS.

And that's a bad thing.

Uh, nice try, but I'm pretty sure yours truly is the best-known and most-beloved democracy on this site. ;) *pokes in friendly harassment* :p

Uh, nice try, but I'm pretty sure yours truly is the best-known and most-beloved democracy on this site. ;) *pokes in friendly harassment* :p

(makes a friendly lawsuit :p)

OOC: That was pretty much what I would have said OOC, Josh.

Dictatorships are so...bleh. It seems like three out of five countries on NS are crazy-evil dictatorships, and most because they want attention, like "ooh, look at me! I'm killing people for no good reason!" [/rant]. Besides, you can still be anti-communist as a democracy. :D

OOC: That was pretty much what I would have said OOC, Josh.

(OOC: I thought so, I just wanted to be sure. ;))

I don't think you should. Because you play a pretty good bad guy in my opinion. So I think your should remain where you are for the time being. You are good at it. From what I have seen and heard.

If I do become democratic, should Shooban slavery remain legal?

(Again, this is all 100% out of curiosity.)

If I do become democratic, should Shooban slavery remain legal?

(Again, this is all 100% out of curiosity.)
Its your nation RB, you could be like America of pre Civil War days, where Slavery was key issue and a portion of your nation support the enslavement of Shooban and another portion is against it. Its up to you, yet it could be an interesting idea for rp..an maybe civil war within RB..meh its all up to you.

Well, democracies do tend to have respect for human rights, and so slavery doesn't exactly fly. If you don't consider Shoobans human, then you get a moral grey area.

EDIT:
Of course, as OK pointed out, you could have a situation like pre-civil war America, which would undoubtedly be interesting from an RP perspective.

I don't think you should. Because you play a pretty good bad guy in my opinion. So I think your should remain where you are for the time being. You are good at it. From what I have seen and heard.

You obviously didn't see his pre-megalomaniacal RPing skills. ;) *sorry Josh*

If I do become democratic, should Shooban slavery remain legal?

(Again, this is all 100% out of curiosity.)


You could have a big RB civil war. That would be cool.

No civil war, the Shoobans would lose.

Josh, I would probably not make it legal (in the context of being a supported activity by the government), but instead just saying "Well, it's not illegal, but we frown upon it or something." Then ease your way into making it illegal.

(OOC: Thanks for the feedback, everyone. :))

I didn't mean Shoobans rebell. What if the people rebel against the government because of it.

Rebel for or against the Shooban slavery policy?

I think that is up to RB:

We can outlaw it and have his people get mad

Or refuse to outlaw it and have his people get mad

Both causing a rebellion

Also if RB is going to become a real democracy then that should be a citizen uprising as well.

bump

Yes, because I like JL better as a Generalissimo and it allows him to do stuff like the Shah does. I think that JL should actually even become a monarch himself.

There's also the question of the transition from dictatorship to democracy; are we talking velvet revolution here, or fire and steel blood in the streets revolution, or maybe (to be boring) a nice, touchy-feely, smooth transition?

You are a good RPer; one of the few decent dictatorships around, but it'd be interesting to try and make the transition to democracy to see how it goes (if you don't like it you can always change your mind and have a coup d'état or something).

bump

(Thanks again, everyone. :))

OoC: Yes, but give in to the red plague, you know you want to go commie, c'mon!

OoC: Yes, but give in to the red plague, you know you want to go commie, c'mon!

No way. RB is 100% anticommunist.

OOC: I say become a one-party state, voting only for different leaders within the party. That's what we have in Verghastinsel, and everyone's happy with it...If they know what's good for them.

you don't know me (or maybe you do?) but I think you should remain a Dictatorship because it's just plain easier

[OOC: I don't know to be honest... I mean dictatorships can be nice to RP, and they add a lot to the game, but on the other hand I've found that democracies allow for more in-depth political RPs. Democracy can be a little constrictive too, unless you have a government with a massive majority / that likes to rig elections. If you like being a dictatorship but want some semblance of democracy without being tied into it, then you could go with a Monarch and Council type system, with elected Royal Councillors who have no actual power, but obviously a lot of influence because they're close to the Monarch. Just a thought.]

OOC: I say become a one-party state, voting only for different leaders within the party. That's what we have in Verghastinsel, and everyone's happy with it...If they know what's good for them.

OOC: Yeah, because that's definitely not a dictatorship, oppressive government etc. :rolleyes:

[OOC: I don't know to be honest... I mean dictatorships can be nice to RP, and they add a lot to the game, but on the other hand I've found that democracies allow for more in-depth political RPs. Democracy can be a little constrictive too, unless you have a government with a massive majority / that likes to rig elections. If you like being a dictatorship but want some semblance of democracy without being tied into it, then you could go with a Monarch and Council type system, with elected Royal Councillors who have no actual power, but obviously a lot of influence because they're close to the Monarch. Just a thought.]

(OOC: Thanks. I agree, being a dictatorship can be a lot of fun, but sometimes it tends to get a bit old.)

How 'bout you compromise, and be a democratic dictatorship? Meaning that the people vote for whichever dictator they want. And stop harassing those poor Shooban.

And stop harassing those poor Shooban.

Never. The day RB stops oppressing Shoobans will be the day hell freezes over.

[OOC: I don't know to be honest... I mean dictatorships can be nice to RP, and they add a lot to the game, but on the other hand I've found that democracies allow for more in-depth political RPs. Democracy can be a little constrictive too, unless you have a government with a massive majority / that likes to rig elections. If you like being a dictatorship but want some semblance of democracy without being tied into it, then you could go with a Monarch and Council type system, with elected Royal Councillors who have no actual power, but obviously a lot of influence because they're close to the Monarch. Just a thought.]

That kind of Monarchy is like mine, with hundreds of nobles vying for power trying to gain the ear of the Shah.

Parthians, what I meant was a full democratic dictatorship, not just for the nobility. Local officials would be chosen by elections, and the federal election would be to determine a dictator.

RB, c'mon, you don't have to give the Shoobans equal rights, but the way you treat them now makes AMF seem like Mahatma Ghandi...

RB, c'mon, you don't have to give the Shoobans equal rights, but the way you treat them now makes AMF seem like Mahatma Ghandi...

That's the point, my friend. ;)

Parthians, what I meant was a full democratic dictatorship, not just for the nobility. Local officials would be chosen by elections, and the federal election would be to determine a dictator.

RB, c'mon, you don't have to give the Shoobans equal rights, but the way you treat them now makes AMF seem like Mahatma Ghandi...

Democracy is banned in Parthia, its just wealthy families can try to manipulate the Shah here, and in times of powerful leaders, it doesn't work, but otherwise it does. Shah Khosru is one of those powerful leaders.

That's the point, my friend. ;)
You little bastard. ;) No compassion for the poor little Shooban? Whatever happened to "Compassionate Conservatism"? Well, could you at least provide the ability for social mobility for the Shooban? Say, if a particularly brilliant Shooban comes along, he/she can lose his "shooban-ness"? Oh, and RB, would you like to join "A Modern World"? Here's the link for it, if you'd like to check it out...
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=376859&page=1&pp=15

You little bastard. ;) No compassion for the poor little Shooban? Whatever happened to "Compassionate Conservatism"? Well, could you at least provide the ability for social mobility for the Shooban? Say, if a particularly brilliant Shooban comes along, he/she can lose his "shooban-ness"? Oh, and RB, would you like to join "A Modern World"? Here's the link for it, if you'd like to check it out...
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=376859&page=1&pp=15

All Shoobans are inherently inferior to humans. The highest recorded I.Q. of a Shooban was approximately 51.

There's always the option of limited democracy, where a strong President is elected (in Krioval, it's for life), but most of the lawmaking is done by an elected body. It lets me RP about ten different characters in political situations, and when I feel like adding someone new, they can be elected to the Senate or something.