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Aliados Military: Feedback Wanted Please!

The Massive Ethiopians
26-03-2005, 21:32
My nation is going to have two Armies. They will be identical in all ways for the time being but will have two separate heads of army. Both will be under my President’s command though. They will work together and separate some times. I intend to maybe have different special divisions for each army, but I do not have that included. One will be the Omega Army (The Massive Ethiopians) and the other will be the Alpha Army (Third Jerusalem). As of now they are identical, but that will hopefully change.

Omega Army

First Army
1st Corps=1st and 2nd Divisions
2nd Corps=3rd and 4th Divisions
3rd Corps=5th and 6th Divisions

Second Army
4th Corps=7th and 8th Divisions
5th Corps=9th and 10th Divisions
6th Corps=11th and 12th Divisions

Third Army
7th Corps=13th and 14th Divisions
8th Corps=15th and 16th Divisions
9th Corps=17th and 18th Divisions

Fourth Army
10th Corps=19th and 20th Divisions
11th Corps=21st and 22nd Divisions
12th Corps=23rd and 24th Divisions

Fifth Army
13th Corps=25th and 26th Divisions
14th Corps=27th and 28th Divisions
15th Corps=29th and 30th Divisions

Sixth Army
16th Corps=31st and 32nd Divisions
17th Corps=33rd and 34th Divisions
18th Corps=35th and 36th Divisions

Seventh Army
19th Corps=37th and 38th Divisions
20th Corps=39th and 40th Divisions
21st Corps=41st and 42nd Divisions

Eighth Army
22nd Corps=43rd and 44th Divisions
23rd Corps=45th and 46th Divisions
24th Corps=47th and 48th Divisions

Ninth Army
25th Corps=49th and 50th Divisions
26th Corps=51st and 52nd Divisions
27th Corps=53rd and 54th Divisions

Tenth Army
28th Corps=55th and 56th Divisions
29th Corps=57th and 58th Divisions
30th Corps=59th and 60th Divisions

Eleventh Army
31st Corps=61st and 62nd Divisions
32nd Corps=63rd and 64th Divisions
33rd Corps=65th and 66th Divisions

Twelvth Army
34th Corps=67th and 68th Divisions
35th Corps=69th and 70th Divisions
36th Corps=71st and 72nd Divisions

Thirteenth Army
37th Corps=73rd and 74th Divisions
38th Corps=75th and 76th Divisions
39th Corps=77th and 78th Divisions

Fourteenth Army
40th Corps=79th and 80th Divisions
41st Corps=81st and 82nd Divisions
42nd Corps=83rd and 84th Divisions

Fifteenth Army
43rd Corps=85th and 86th Divisions
44th Corps=87th and 88th Divisions
45th Corps=89th and 90th Divisions

Sixteenth Army
46th Corps=91st and 92nd Divisions
47th Corps=93rd and 94th Divisions
48th Corps=95th and 96th Divisions

Seventeenth Army
49th Corps=97th and 98th Divisions
50th Corps=99th and 100th Divisions
51st Corps=101st and 102nd Divisions

Eighteenth Army
52nd Corps=103rd and 104th Divisions
53rd Corps=105th and 106th Divisions
54th Corps=107th and 108th Divisions

Nineteenth Army
55th Corps=109th and 110th Divisions
56th Corps=111th and 112th Divisions
57th Corps=113th and 114th Divisions

Twentieth Army
58th Corps=115th and 116th Divisions
59th Corps=117th and 118th Divisions
60th Corps=119th and 120th Divisions

Twenty-First Army
61st Corps=121st and 122nd Divisions
62nd Corps=123rd and 124th Divisions
63rd Corps=125th and 126th Divisions

Twenty-Second Army
64th Corps=127th and 128th Divisions
65th Corps=129th and 130th Divisions
66th Corps=131st and 132nd Divisions

Twenty-Third Army
67th Corps=133rd and 134th Divisions
68th Corps=135th and 136th Divisions
69th Corps=137th and 138th Divisions

Twenty-Fourth Army
70th Corps=139th and 140th Divisions
71st Corps=141st and 142nd Divisions
72nd Corps=143rd and 144th Divisions

Twenty-Fifth Army
73rd Corps=145th and 146th Divisions
74th Corps=147th and 148th Divisions
75th Corps=149th and 150th Divisions

Twenty-Sixth Army
76th Corps=151st and 152nd Divisions
77th Corps=153rd and 154th Divisions
78th Corps=155th and 156th Divisions

Twenty-Seventh Army
79th Corps=157th and 158th Divisions
80th Corps=159th and 160th Divisions
81st Corps=161st and 162nd Divisions

Twenty-Eighth Army
82nd Corps=163rd and 164th Divisions
83rd Corps=165th and 166th Divisions
84th Corps=167th and 168th Divisions

Twenty-Ninth Army
85th Corps=169th and 170th Divisions
86th Corps=171st and 172nd Divisions
87th Corps=173rd and 174th Divisions

Thirtieth Army
88th Corps=175th and 176th Divisions
89th Corps=177th and 178th Divisions
90th Corps=179th and 180th Divisions

Thirty-First Army
91nd Corps=181st and 182nd Divisions
92nd Corps=183rd and 184th Divisions
93rd Corps=185th and 186th Divisions

Thirty-Second Army
94th Corps=187th and 188th Divisions
95th Corps=189th and 190th Divisions
96th Corps=191st and 192nd Divisions

Thirty-Third Army
97th Corps=193rd and 194th Divisions
98th Corps=195th and 196th Divisions
99th Corps=197th and 198th Divisions

Thirty-Fourth Army
100th Corps=199th and 200th Divisions
101st Corps=201st and 202nd Divisions
102nd Corps=203rd and 204th Divisions

Thirty-Fifth Army
103rd Corps=205th and 206th Divisions
104th Corps=207th and 208th Divisions
105th Corps=209th and 210th Divisions

Thirty-Sixth Army
106th Corps=211th and 212th Divisions
107th Corps=213th and 214th Divisions
108th Corps=215th and 216th Divisions

Thirty-Seventh Army
109th Corps=217th and 218th Divisions
110th Corps=219th and 220th Divisions
111th Corps=221st and 222nd Divisions

Thirty-Eighth Army
112th Corps=223rd and 224th Divisions
113rd Corps=225th and 226th Divisions
114th Corps=227th and 228th Divisions

Thirty-Ninth Army
115th Corps=229th and 230th Divisions
116th Corps=231st and 232nd Divisions
117th Corps=233rd and 234th Divisions

Fortieth Army
118th Corps=235th and 236th Divisions
119th Corps=237th and 238th Divisions
120th Corps=239th and 240th Divisions

Forty-First Army
121st Corps=241st and 242 Divisions
122nd Corps=243rd and 244th Divisions
123rd Corps=245th and 246th Divisions

Forty-Second Army
124th Corps=247th and 248th Divisions
125th Corps=249th and 250th Divisions
126th Corps=251st and 252nd Divisions

Forty-Third Army
127th Corps=253rd and 254th Divisions
128th Corps=255th and 256th Divisions
129th Corps=257th and 258th Divisions

Forty-Fourth Army
130th Corps=259th and 260th Divisions
131st Corps=261st and 262nd Divisions
132nd Corps=263rd and 264th Divisions

Forty-Fifth Army
133rd Corps=265th and 266th Divisions
134th Corps=267th and 268th Divisions
135th Corps=269th and 270th Divisions

Forty-Sixth Army
136th Corps=271st and 272nd Divisions
137th Corps=273rd and 274th Divisions
138th Corps=275th and 276th Divisions

Forty-Seventh Army
139th Corps=277th and 278th Divisions
140th Corps=279th and 280th Divisions
141st Corps=281st and 282nd Divisions

Forty-Eighth Army
142nd Corps=283rd and 284th Divisions
143rd Corps=285th and 286th Divisions
144th Corps=287th and 288th Divisions

Forty-Ninth Army
145th Corps=289th and 290th Divisions
146th Corps=219th and 292nd Divisions
147th Corps=293rd and 294th Divisions

Fiftieth Army
148th Corps=295th and 296th Divisions
149th Corps=297th and 298th Divisions
150th Corps=299th and 300th Divisions

Each division is comprised of:
• 15,000 men
• 450 M60A3 "Big Bubba" tanks
• 150 Cobra Wheeled Vehicle/Light Tanks
• 900 PAK 41 type Heavy Infantry Guns
• 600 M151 Multi-Utility Tactical Trucks

Issue Equipment:

• Assault rifle - XM8 Lightweight Assault Rifle
• Sidearm – Beretta U22 NEOS
• Advanced marksman’s rifle – CheyTac Long Range Rifle System – Intervention Sniper Rifle
• Body armor – Nato Q.R. (F.S.B.E.) Tactical Armor
• Face protection - Ballistic/Laser Protective Spectacles


Alpha Army

First Army
1st Corps=1st and 2nd Divisions
2nd Corps=3rd and 4th Divisions
3rd Corps=5th and 6th Divisions

Second Army
4th Corps=7th and 8th Divisions
5th Corps=9th and 10th Divisions
6th Corps=11th and 12th Divisions

Third Army
7th Corps=13th and 14th Divisions
8th Corps=15th and 16th Divisions
9th Corps=17th and 18th Divisions

Fourth Army
10th Corps=19th and 20th Divisions
11th Corps=21st and 22nd Divisions
12th Corps=23rd and 24th Divisions

Fifth Army
13th Corps=25th and 26th Divisions
14th Corps=27th and 28th Divisions
15th Corps=29th and 30th Divisions

Sixth Army
16th Corps=31st and 32nd Divisions
17th Corps=33rd and 34th Divisions
18th Corps=35th and 36th Divisions

Seventh Army
19th Corps=37th and 38th Divisions
20th Corps=39th and 40th Divisions
21st Corps=41st and 42nd Divisions

Eighth Army
22nd Corps=43rd and 44th Divisions
23rd Corps=45th and 46th Divisions
24th Corps=47th and 48th Divisions

Ninth Army
25th Corps=49th and 50th Divisions
26th Corps=51st and 52nd Divisions
27th Corps=53rd and 54th Divisions

Tenth Army
28th Corps=55th and 56th Divisions
29th Corps=57th and 58th Divisions
30th Corps=59th and 60th Divisions

Eleventh Army
31st Corps=61st and 62nd Divisions
32nd Corps=63rd and 64th Divisions
33rd Corps=65th and 66th Divisions

Twelvth Army
34th Corps=67th and 68th Divisions
35th Corps=69th and 70th Divisions
36th Corps=71st and 72nd Divisions

Thirteenth Army
37th Corps=73rd and 74th Divisions
38th Corps=75th and 76th Divisions
39th Corps=77th and 78th Divisions

Fourteenth Army
40th Corps=79th and 80th Divisions
41st Corps=81st and 82nd Divisions
42nd Corps=83rd and 84th Divisions

Fifteenth Army
43rd Corps=85th and 86th Divisions
44th Corps=87th and 88th Divisions
45th Corps=89th and 90th Divisions

Sixteenth Army
46th Corps=91st and 92nd Divisions
47th Corps=93rd and 94th Divisions
48th Corps=95th and 96th Divisions

Seventeenth Army
49th Corps=97th and 98th Divisions
50th Corps=99th and 100th Divisions
51st Corps=101st and 102nd Divisions

Eighteenth Army
52nd Corps=103rd and 104th Divisions
53rd Corps=105th and 106th Divisions
54th Corps=107th and 108th Divisions

Nineteenth Army
55th Corps=109th and 110th Divisions
56th Corps=111th and 112th Divisions
57th Corps=113th and 114th Divisions

Twentieth Army
58th Corps=115th and 116th Divisions
59th Corps=117th and 118th Divisions
60th Corps=119th and 120th Divisions

Twenty-First Army
61st Corps=121st and 122nd Divisions
62nd Corps=123rd and 124th Divisions
63rd Corps=125th and 126th Divisions

Twenty-Second Army
64th Corps=127th and 128th Divisions
65th Corps=129th and 130th Divisions
66th Corps=131st and 132nd Divisions

Twenty-Third Army
67th Corps=133rd and 134th Divisions
68th Corps=135th and 136th Divisions
69th Corps=137th and 138th Divisions

Twenty-Fourth Army
70th Corps=139th and 140th Divisions
71st Corps=141st and 142nd Divisions
72nd Corps=143rd and 144th Divisions

Twenty-Fifth Army
73rd Corps=145th and 146th Divisions
74th Corps=147th and 148th Divisions
75th Corps=149th and 150th Divisions

Twenty-Sixth Army
76th Corps=151st and 152nd Divisions
77th Corps=153rd and 154th Divisions
78th Corps=155th and 156th Divisions

Twenty-Seventh Army
79th Corps=157th and 158th Divisions
80th Corps=159th and 160th Divisions
81st Corps=161st and 162nd Divisions

Twenty-Eighth Army
82nd Corps=163rd and 164th Divisions
83rd Corps=165th and 166th Divisions
84th Corps=167th and 168th Divisions

Twenty-Ninth Army
85th Corps=169th and 170th Divisions
86th Corps=171st and 172nd Divisions
87th Corps=173rd and 174th Divisions

Thirtieth Army
88th Corps=175th and 176th Divisions
89th Corps=177th and 178th Divisions
90th Corps=179th and 180th Divisions

Thirty-First Army
91nd Corps=181st and 182nd Divisions
92nd Corps=183rd and 184th Divisions
93rd Corps=185th and 186th Divisions

Thirty-Second Army
94th Corps=187th and 188th Divisions
95th Corps=189th and 190th Divisions
96th Corps=191st and 192nd Divisions

Thirty-Third Army
97th Corps=193rd and 194th Divisions
98th Corps=195th and 196th Divisions
99th Corps=197th and 198th Divisions

Thirty-Fourth Army
100th Corps=199th and 200th Divisions
101st Corps=201st and 202nd Divisions
102nd Corps=203rd and 204th Divisions

Thirty-Fifth Army
103rd Corps=205th and 206th Divisions
104th Corps=207th and 208th Divisions
105th Corps=209th and 210th Divisions

Thirty-Sixth Army
106th Corps=211th and 212th Divisions
107th Corps=213th and 214th Divisions
108th Corps=215th and 216th Divisions

Thirty-Seventh Army
109th Corps=217th and 218th Divisions
110th Corps=219th and 220th Divisions
111th Corps=221st and 222nd Divisions

Thirty-Eighth Army
112th Corps=223rd and 224th Divisions
113rd Corps=225th and 226th Divisions
114th Corps=227th and 228th Divisions

Thirty-Ninth Army
115th Corps=229th and 230th Divisions
116th Corps=231st and 232nd Divisions
117th Corps=233rd and 234th Divisions

Fortieth Army
118th Corps=235th and 236th Divisions
119th Corps=237th and 238th Divisions
120th Corps=239th and 240th Divisions

Forty-First Army
121st Corps=241st and 242 Divisions
122nd Corps=243rd and 244th Divisions
123rd Corps=245th and 246th Divisions

Forty-Second Army
124th Corps=247th and 248th Divisions
125th Corps=249th and 250th Divisions
126th Corps=251st and 252nd Divisions

Forty-Third Army
127th Corps=253rd and 254th Divisions
128th Corps=255th and 256th Divisions
129th Corps=257th and 258th Divisions

Forty-Fourth Army
130th Corps=259th and 260th Divisions
131st Corps=261st and 262nd Divisions
132nd Corps=263rd and 264th Divisions

Forty-Fifth Army
133rd Corps=265th and 266th Divisions
134th Corps=267th and 268th Divisions
135th Corps=269th and 270th Divisions

Forty-Sixth Army
136th Corps=271st and 272nd Divisions
137th Corps=273rd and 274th Divisions
138th Corps=275th and 276th Divisions

Forty-Seventh Army
139th Corps=277th and 278th Divisions
140th Corps=279th and 280th Divisions
141st Corps=281st and 282nd Divisions

Forty-Eighth Army
142nd Corps=283rd and 284th Divisions
143rd Corps=285th and 286th Divisions
144th Corps=287th and 288th Divisions

Forty-Ninth Army
145th Corps=289th and 290th Divisions
146th Corps=219th and 292nd Divisions
147th Corps=293rd and 294th Divisions

Fiftieth Army
148th Corps=295th and 296th Divisions
149th Corps=297th and 298th Divisions
150th Corps=299th and 300th Divisions

Each division is comprised of:
• 15,000 men
• 450 M60A3 "Big Bubba" tanks
• 150 Cobra Wheeled Vehicle/Light Tanks
• 900 PAK 41 type Heavy Infantry Guns
• 600 M151 Multi-Utility Tactical Trucks

Issue Equipment:

• Assault rifle - XM8 Lightweight Assault Rifle
• Sidearm – Beretta U22 NEOS
• Advanced marksman’s rifle – CheyTac Long Range Rifle System – Intervention Sniper Rifle
• Body armor – Nato Q.R. (F.S.B.E.) Tactical Armor
• Face protection - Ballistic/Laser Protective Spectacles
Roman Republic
26-03-2005, 21:41
Very good. All of that you posted will be difficult for me who types only with his left hand to do. very good! You might also want to think of having Airborne Divisions.
The Massive Ethiopians
26-03-2005, 21:46
Thank you for the comment and yes I do intend to create an air force and a navy. My air force is going to be my pride and joy. Thank you or the comment!
Xeraph
26-03-2005, 21:47
OOC> I'm guessing that you have a pop of around 1.8 - 2.0 billion. Which means that, using the following formula of 1/10 of 1% of your pop is available for the military, then a maximum amount of military personnel would be about 2 million, in all branches.
You are claiming 2 armies of 300 divisions each with each division having 15,000 men. That comes to a total of 4.5 million men times 2, equalling 9 million men between the two armies. This means that you are using an unusually large percentage of your GNP to support the military. In reality, this would crush any nation's economy.
I'm just pointing this all out to save you the aggravation of having nations ignore you because your'e "godmodding" your military numbers. If I saw a nation your age coming at me with HALF of those numbers, I'd simply ignore you. Just wanted to point this out....no hard feelings.... ;)
Roman Republic
26-03-2005, 21:57
Thank you for the comment and yes I do intend to create an air force and a navy. My air force is going to be my pride and joy. Thank you or the comment!

Good. I would like to see that. The quote: "Airborne Divisions" meant Paratroopers.
Tyleri
26-03-2005, 22:05
Does the Cobra function as an APC/IFV? If it doesn't, you have two options.
Either your men ride on your tanks, or they walk everywhere. Infantry riding on tanks means that ERA isn't a possibility (which is the easiest way of ensuring those M-60s of your could hold their own against a modern MBT), plus they're vulnerable to snipers.

Also, you should get some Man-portable SAMs at the very least. With no organic air defense component, your troops will be butchered from the skies.
You mention the Air Force being your pride and joy, but it never hurts to have redundant air defences, rather then saying, "Bombers? Meh. My fighters will shoot them all down."

You can telegram me if you want some ideas for air defenses. Tyleri AA weapons are more prolific, since my military doesn't have a seperate dedicated Air Force.

As for your MBT, why the M-60? That's thing's kinda old, and it doesn't have as powerful a gun as some other tanks.

Also, throw in some Marine units. Without the ability to project power abroad, you just become another France.
The Massive Ethiopians
26-03-2005, 22:12
OOC> I'm guessing that you have a pop of around 1.8 - 2.0 billion. Which means that, using the following formula of 1/10 of 1% of your pop is available for the military, then a maximum amount of military personnel would be about 2 million, in all branches.
You are claiming 2 armies of 300 divisions each with each division having 15,000 men. That comes to a total of 4.5 million men times 2, equalling 9 million men between the two armies. This means that you are using an unusually large percentage of your GNP to support the military. In reality, this would crush any nation's economy.
I'm just pointing this all out to save you the aggravation of having nations ignore you because your'e "godmodding" your military numbers. If I saw a nation your age coming at me with HALF of those numbers, I'd simply ignore you. Just wanted to point this out....no hard feelings.... ;)



The reason that they are so big is because that they are two nations combined. SOrry ifi didnt make the clear!
Praetonia
26-03-2005, 22:15
OOC> I'm guessing that you have a pop of around 1.8 - 2.0 billion. Which means that, using the following formula of 1/10 of 1% of your pop is available for the military, then a maximum amount of military personnel would be about 2 million, in all branches.
You are claiming 2 armies of 300 divisions each with each division having 15,000 men. That comes to a total of 4.5 million men times 2, equalling 9 million men between the two armies. This means that you are using an unusually large percentage of your GNP to support the military. In reality, this would crush any nation's economy.
I'm just pointing this all out to save you the aggravation of having nations ignore you because your'e "godmodding" your military numbers. If I saw a nation your age coming at me with HALF of those numbers, I'd simply ignore you. Just wanted to point this out....no hard feelings.... ;)
Following that formula the US military in all branches could not possibly exceed 250,000, which is obviously wrong. On the other hand, why is this massive military needed? Do you share a border with a hostile and powerful nation?
Clan Smoke Jaguar
26-03-2005, 23:54
1) If those two combined nations are both yours, that's known as puppetwanking, and is a deplorable practice that's serverely frowned upon and worthy of an I.G.N.O.R.E. by most respected nations. It's just such a pathetically cheap method of trying to boost one's military.

2) There is some error in the initial response, due primarily to poor estimation. If it had been done properly, he'd have noted 20 million. An honest mistake, but one that should be avoided. Now, I would put the maximum active force indeed at about 1%. You're a big nation, and your economy isn't that good, so you have concerns elsewhere, especially with 100% taxation.

3) Now, while the numbers were in error, the basic gist is not. Unless those divisions are all garrison units with no ability to deploy much beyond a set district, they will need higher support. For a modern military, there should be 1-2 personnel outside of the division for each one inside, or you have no ability to sustain operations. That puts 9-13.5 million personnel per army. Which is quite high, about limit of what you should be fielding.
But wait! You should also have an air force and a navy. Do you have any personnel left available for those? I certainly don't see much extra space for such things.

4) As said, you need an excuse for a large army. You must provide an IC reason for extreme militarization, and don't just say the government. Even a militaristic government will not have a very large army without good reason.

5) I'm curious about these PAK 41 Heavy Infantry Guns listed. The designation gives me the impression of an antitank or artillery piece. If this is the case, your own divisions are sorely understaffed. Even if these are just 105mm guns, you'll need around 20,000-30,000 personnel just to man and support 900 of them (!). In fact, even if these are just light mortars, that's probably too much. If they're machine guns that would be okay (well, unless they're 12.7mm ones or bigger), but you just don't have the men for that many artillery pieces.
The Massive Ethiopians
27-03-2005, 00:06
[QUOTE=Clan Smoke Jaguar]1) If those two combined nations are both yours, that's known as puppetwanking, and is a deplorable practice that's serverely frowned upon and worthy of an I.G.N.O.R.E. by most respected nations. It's just such a pathetically cheap method of trying to boost one's military.

2) There is some error in the initial response, due primarily to poor estimation. If it had been done properly, he'd have noted 20 million. An honest mistake, but one that should be avoided. Now, I would put the maximum active force indeed at about 1%. You're a big nation, and your economy isn't that good, so you have concerns elsewhere, especially with 100% taxation.

3) Now, while the numbers were in error, the basic gist is not. Unless those divisions are all garrison units with no ability to deploy much beyond a set district, they will need higher support. For a modern military, there should be 1-2 personnel outside of the division for each one inside, or you have no ability to sustain operations. That puts 9-13.5 million personnel per army. Which is quite high, about limit of what you should be fielding.
But wait! You should also have an air force and a navy. Do you have any personnel left available for those? I certainly don't see much extra space for such things.

4) As said, you need an excuse for a large army. You must provide an IC reason for extreme militarization, and don't just say the government. Even a militaristic government will not have a very large army without good reason.
QUOTE]

The nations all belong to different people. However the RP is that we have joined forces to create one nation. I am governing body of the new nation and Third Jerusalem is the resistance. I have Rped this and I RPed the reason for the forces. In the old forum we had a history of Aliados thread but it is lost and we decided to start Rping the return of Aliados. Nellisland is also involved because they are our neighbor. I plan on making a navy and an airforce. The numbers up there are not including the support crews because that I was told to do when making this. I do not think that nine million troops between two "combined" nations would be to much of a problem. So I should not be ignored for that. Thank you.
Xeraph
27-03-2005, 00:11
Following that formula the US military in all branches could not possibly exceed 250,000, which is obviously wrong. On the other hand, why is this massive military needed? Do you share a border with a hostile and powerful nation?

Agreed, but in NS, our pop goes up 5 million every day, as is not the case in RL USA. The pop of the United States does not go up 35 million people a week, as it does here, therefore our pop-to-military ratio is greater. I'm just trying to say here that if there were a standard percentage of military personnel to general population ratio, then we'd all be on the same page, and we'd all know our (and each other's) abilities and limitations. It should be as realistic as possible. I personally don't have any problems with puppets, because that's a more reasonable way to grow your empire. I do have a problem with a nation whose pop is 300 million having a military with 10 million, or even 5 million, people in it.
The Massive Ethiopians
27-03-2005, 04:16
bump
The Massive Ethiopians
27-03-2005, 04:32
bump...comments?
Clan Smoke Jaguar
27-03-2005, 06:43
It's not 9 million troops combined. If you read carefully, I said 9-13.5 million per army. That means that many for each nation. And again, that's putting things minimally (I actually have only about 1/4 of my army in direct combat formations), and without any navy or air force listed. Still, that's not that bad.


However, unless you have no infantry or are using Soviet style organization, I don't think the numbers quite add up. Those divisions are a bit small for all the equipment, and I'm still not sure what you're referring to with the PAK 41 weapons, unless you're referring to the German WWII era 75mm antitank gun. If that's the case, you need to add at least a good 15,000 personnel to each division in the necessary crew and support for each weapon, effectively doubling your total force requirements to 18-27 million per nation. And now we're getting well beyond what you should be having.
TJHairball
27-03-2005, 07:45
Well... it isn't completely unreasonable. It does depend on the training levels, levels of support offered, and how much time the soldiers of these armies spend on active duty normally. Tops... you don't want more than 1% of your population in military roles ordinarily in peacetime, and that's for a fairly militarized nation.

North Korea has about 5%, which is one of the reasons North Korea fails to prosper. (Another significant reason - and not unrelated - is their poor relationship with their neighbors). You should include support personnel in your TO&E, even if just as a footnote; whoever told you that you shouldn't was encouraging sloppy work.

At worst... it's a reasonably sized wartime army for a large nation, and one that you could staff (including support staff, although not that you'd necessarily want to operate constantly) with a couple years' mandatory service.

And it could well be a very "Soviet-style" army. That would fit with older tanks... and possibly the "infantry guns," although CSJ's question about what exactly these "infantry guns" are is quite justified. I could see them fitting very nicely as something along the lines of the Carl Gustav 84mm recoilless rifle... but listing them in with the tanks and trucks does suggest mortars, light artillery, or possibly towed guns of some other stripe, such as heavier recoilless rifles.