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WORLD WAR ANNOUNCEMENT

Everything is set. Me and Marimaia have come to a conclusion and the following will be so:

1. RomeW will be the official moderator of World War as he will be neutral and instrumental in the peace processes.

2. The week of peace & tensions will begin on Sunday, April 10th, 2005 at 0000 GMT.

3. The week will conclude on Sunday, April 17th, 2005 at 0000 GMT.

4. Following this, World War will begin at the discretion of those involved (i.e. not everyone goes to war at the same time, they can go to war on Monday or Tuesday or Friday, if they wish).

5. In doing so, during the week of peace & tensions all Decree 12 & 21-day invasions will be suspended. If you wish to have them, begin the fight once the World War begins.

6. RomeW will start the thread and maintain the central thread. With that, all nations will be required to submit their intentions (neutral or belligerant). You are NOT locked into this submission. I do ask though that people please respect the wishes of those declared neutral. Naturally, I'm not going to demand it but I just ask that you please do it. The Nazi's didn't so how can I tell you that you have to.

Cotland

Personally, I think that the peace time should come first, then a massive eruption of war. I believe that we get to continue our Decree 12 take-overs? If so, go for peace, then war.

The reason for my wanting to delay is that I really want to finish the organization of my military before the war starts. I hope that you don't mind...
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Elephantum

I think Yelm/Pelep/TKT can have thier little war, but two weeks peace after that is too much waiting, people will lose interest, either disregard the waiting period or shorten it.
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GnOoLoCoPeLep

I don't see any reason to use some plot like the one Cotland and TLS came up with which clearly villainizes one side. The best way to go about it, with aims of all countries involved eventually recovering, is to buildup tensions between two nations or a group of nations. Europe will be difficult because of the Roman confederacy. That alliance will really have to go through alot during the course of the war because in-fighting is inevitable. Though, I'm sure we could find someone pissed off at North Germania for dominating the continent. Hogsweat, perhaps? In South America you and Samtonia can't be entirely comfortable with my expansion. Africa, well, it won't be too hard to get fights going in Africa. Hell, we've got a potential powderkeg there right now with me, The Knights Templars, and Yelm. But, I gave you my basic plan in the first few sentences. If we want to achieve that UN-type deal it's the only way to go about it.
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Hawdawg

I have a huge work thing I need to do next week and will be out of pocket through at least next Sunday. I would like the event postponed until then. I am for having the World War and as I stated in my previous posts I think all members in Earth II can play some part in this conflict. If the other members give the thumbs down, well we can always invade a neighbor.

-Hawdawg
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Marimaia

Greetings!

I have to admit, I'm in favour of peace first, then war. I've got two confirmed allies (Mercitonia & TIOR), and diplomatic relations with you & Cotland. I would just like a bit of time to build up my military more just in case someone starts something with me.
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Squornshelous

This is about the Earth II world war idea.

We should probably start with a seperate OOC thread to iron out the details of how it's going to start, and to figure out alliances, so everyone kind of knows what's going on.

I don't think the peace beforehand is necessary. We could just expand on the wars already going on. It would call for a lot of cooperation by everyone, but I think if we took our time to plan carefully, it would work out.

I agree with the majority of people on the thread right now that WMD's should be a last resort only, something to use on people invading deep into your country.

That's pretty much all I have to say. We just have to make sure this idea doesn't get bogged down when it comes to details, we need to find a core of RPers to push it through.
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The Lightning Star

Peace beforhand would be better. Then we could build up our armies to prepare.
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+ tag for later +

I think we've got a potential powderkeg (I like that term) in Kenya and Tanzania. We've already got four armies fighting there and The Knights Templars has called for aid from The Roman Confederacy.



1. Do we want to have peace for a week & then war? Do we want to have tensions & then war? Do we just want war?"

Don't there have to be some tensions for war to break out at all? All I'm saying is we pick a few key locations, find a reason for them to go to war and let them go at it. The tangled web of alliances will eventually drag everyone in.

2. Do we want to do this in one big thread or one central thread and many smaller threads?

I think we should have one OOC thread like this one and several other threads representing the different theatres. One thread for the European Theatre, one for the Pacific Theatre, American Theatre, and so on and so forth.

Myself and TLS will most likely go on with the plan we made a few days ago (the invasion of TLS). But Pelep bring up a good suggestion to the outbreak in war. I'm all for it.

As for the seperate threads for the theatre of operations, I wonder if it's better for us to make threads for every skirmish we have, all listed in one central thread where they are listed after which part of the world it occurs in.

Example

Africa:

War thread #1
War thread #2
War thread #3

Europe:

War thread #4
War thread #5
War thread #6

etc, etc, etc.

Just my $0.02

Well if we started this soon it would be better for me; at this time I can devote my full attention to it.

As far as the threads, I like Cotland's example. I think that would work best.

Well if we started this soon it would be better for me; at this time I can devote my full attention to it.

As far as the threads, I like Cotland's example. I think that would work best.

Indeed as, do I. I think we should just have everyone submit the threads to the main, central thread along with the region. In addition, we could use the central thread to announce things like victories, retreats, major battles, etc. It could be something like a news thread, so to speak.

What's the say on everything being "Operation xxx" and such so we don't have like Cotland Take Macedonia. Or something like that? This way it sort of grants the feel of a giant war, no?

You guys can ponder this, I don't intend to be an aggressor....yet.

Personally, I think that a week of peace, several days of tensions, and THEN a war would be best. Still, with everyone jumping headfirst into war, this doesn't seem to be the majority opinion.

One central thread with a lot of little ones sounds good to me. My stance will be simple: Go ANYWHERE NEAR me and you will spend the rest of your very short existences pondering the full meaning of "obliteration." The TOA is exempt from this until conflict and internal strife breaks it up. Then it'll be just NG will enjoy safety. I'll give you all fair warning: any hostile act on me is suicide, plain and simple.

Still, that's all OOC musings. I have no solid plan yet, aside from enlarging my territory somewhat to connect with NGs. So...you guys plan it out and I'll move accordingly. It should be a good bit of slaughter, at any rate.

To be honest, I was hoping that if in the event of a World War a Confederacy member is the aggressor rather than the attacked, though I'll accept any situation. I'm not about to bail on my allies.

Pelep: Well, when I founded the Confederacy I wasn't worried about unity issues- big alliances have worked solidly in the past (e.g. NATO), even though the bigger the alliance the more likely there will be problems. However, since I founded it there's been quite a bit of confusion over who's a member of the Confederacy, so I see what you mean.

Do you have an official list of members anywhere? It might help if people could go and check who they're allied to through the Confederacy.

Member list:

Rome (RomeW) {Italy, Switzerland, Bulgaria W Libya, Syria, Jordan, Egypt}
Cotland {NE Egypt}
Greece (Nikolaos The Great) {Greece, Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan}
Liebermonk {Liechtenstien}
USSR (Hogsweat) {S. Iraq}
Andrehervia {The Crimea}
North Germania {Austria, Germany, France, N Iraq}
Duke Barol {N Algeria}
Euroslavia {Yugoslava}
Kriegograd {Britain}
The Lightning Star {Tunisia, E Sicily}
Hawdawg {E Libya}
The Knights Templars {Friuli, Vatican City}
Gintonpar {Iberian Peninsula}
Elephantum {W Sicily}
Pantheaa
Chinkopodia
Binthor
Baretta

Uh, Rome? I control a helluva lot more land than you gave me.

In the Mediterranean I own Numidia(N.E. Algeria), a city in Sardinia(Cagilia, methinks). I also own alot of South Asia.

But you already knew that.

couldnt the week of peace be the tensions at the same time? When the war starts it might end up as a free for all with people bashing everyone else, regardless of good (or any) reasons why.

Also, Rome, the charter says ARTICLE 7:

a] The alliance will hereby declare that an attack on any nation inside the Confederation will be taken as an attack on all nations.
b] Each nation must provide military aid of some kind to the nation being attack, but this contribution will be based on what the nation will be able to contribute


The only things in my airforce that can reach to the warzone are my cargo airships. I will send medical aid, but they are not designed for combat troops. Should this be in its own thread or maybe in the war thread?

Pelep, I don't want to help him, sorry

Pelep, I don't want to help him, sorry

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.

1. Do we want to have peace for a week & then war? Do we want to have tensions & then war? Do we just want war?"

Tensions then war. I'm not sure how we're going to do that though. Are we going to post a bunch of threads that show the mobilization of airforces, navies, and of armies or what?

2. Do we want to do this in one big thread or one central thread and many smaller threads?

The second one.

Here's a question, why would this war be fought? We have to give a reason, whether it's limiting the amount of oil from the Middle East being exported, or because of a military invasion something needs to spark this war.

Voting ends Tuesday at 1500 EST.

I like Cotlands Idea of seperate threads for each specific battle with a central thread for ech theatre serving as a news thread. That way, you could subscribe to all the main theatre threads and have easy access to information about what's going on in various places.

I like Cotlands Idea of seperate threads for each specific battle with a central thread for ech theatre serving as a news thread. That way, you could subscribe to all the main theatre threads and have easy access to information about what's going on in various places.

Indeed. That seems very logical you are correct. The central thread would be like [Earth II] World at War

and in it we could have like [Earth II] WW: European Theater and so on and so fourth and under each theater could be a list of battles going in throughout that theater.

Okay. We need tensions, then war. So it makes sense. But only about a week of tnsions, max. Then, on to the first skirmishes.

But it seems right now like people are hung up on one flashpoint starting this. It doesn't need to happen that way and would probably work out better without one massive tigger. Smaller ones would work just as well and enable a plot to be built.

Small fights between rogue commanders over African nations. A slow and steady expansion of territory in the Americas by a nation. Border incursions along the Russo-European border of two other nations. Mercantile shipping beginning to be sunk at sea. Small-scale declerations of war on battle zones all across the world. Alliances brought into play, but sometimes unable to come to the aid of overseas territory because of strife near the mainland of the nations called upon.

Lots of tiny things building up to one massive, world-wide war, with fighting on every continent (except possibly Australia, but even then...) not abettng, not slowing until borders are irrevocably changed. That way, nations can begin to get involved at their own pace until everyone is fighting. It just seems like it would work better.

Thank you, Samtonia. That's what I've been trying to say all along but considerably less articulately. You are a gentleman and a scholar, sir.

There's no way I'm letting peace come to Kenya and Tanzania, so we'll definitely have that area of combat when the war comes.

And as you already know, I do not want to be part of this.

As for reasons to start a war, imperialism and conquest work just fine, and i'll be willing to play that part. Other things could be border disputes, embargoes, etc.

And as you already know, I do not want to be part of this.

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*pulz ot a $h0tgn 4nd k1llz TIOR, t3h n00b*

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Back to all seriousness though, it's a pity you won't join in. Your posts bring alot of flavor to the RP's.

Ah well, we can't force ye.

Eh... I meant not actively. I'll be neutral so any exiled Governments are welcome.

Which nation will start this?

Also, can some nations remain neutral? I really need to revise my armed forces, and i am always too lazy to take time and do it, plus i got a lot of new technological advances coming. Ah, screw it, i'll revise my army tomorrow.

People, can you please give me a breef 2 sentence thing of what is going on for sure?

Pyschotika-World War on E2, a bunch of people fighting each other, preferably on as many fronts as possible. Sounds like one week of peace/tensions then war will begin

Pushka-I have 2 different fronts i'm willing to start wars on.

No offence Elephantum but i don't think your nation can replace Germany in this one. We need someone big to get cranky and go attack someone smaller, after which the alliance systems will suck everyone in.

Thanks.

No offence Elephantum but i don't think your nation can replace Germany in this one. We need someone big to get cranky and go attack someone smaller, after which the alliance systems will suck everyone in.
Well then hopefully i can ally myself with the biggest cranky person i can find. I do need some revenge...hehehe

No offence Elephantum but i don't think your nation can replace Germany in this one. We need someone big to get cranky and go attack someone smaller, after which the alliance systems will suck everyone in.
That's sort of what is happening in Kenya.

Can you give me a link to that Kenya thread?

Please TG it to me if its not too much trouble, i am gone till tommorrow. Cya.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=407357

I sent a TG too.

How about this, we all seem like were land hungry, I am still feeling unfulfilled in East Asia. So it all starts with people warring each other for land and respectful acknowledgement world wide. So, people start talking with other nations with same poitlical and or religious beliefes. They all start allying, alliances are everywhere now. ( Note: Of course we will still have base alliances, like me and Lay or me and Cotland or me and Marimmai for example, but like people who never saw it comming just ally up to take down a common foe or for land or for money or just to back stab. )

Anyways, thats my 2 cents.

Pushka and everyone. Yes you may be neutral and I would like to ask everyone to please, try their HARDEST to respect that neutrality.

Pushka and everyone. Yes you may be neutral and I would like to ask everyone to please, try their HARDEST to respect that neutrality.

If they want to be neutral, it doesn't bother me. I don't mind working around them.

I'll respect their neutrality.

As long as they don't supply arms and support to my enemies. That would make them Green Targets(that means I'd probably bomb a few of their key military installations, but not alot of 'em.) If they retaliate the same way, they become Yellow Targets(bombings of cities, bombing of ports, limited ground movement). They fight back big time, they are Red Targets(all out war).

Just a warning for those who think they can supply mein enemies.

I'll respect their neutrality.

As long as they don't supply arms and support to my enemies. That would make them Green Targets(that means I'd probably bomb a few of their key military installations, but not alot of 'em.) If they retaliate the same way, they become Yellow Targets(bombings of cities, bombing of ports, limited ground movement). They fight back big time, they are Red Targets(all out war).

Just a warning for those who think they can supply mein enemies.

I think if they were neutral, they wouldn't be supplying arms or support to anyone. That's my understanding of neutrality, anyway (which, of course, is more likely flawed than not).

I think if they were neutral, they wouldn't be supplying arms or support to anyone. That's my understanding of neutrality, anyway (which, of course, is more likely flawed than not).

You don't know much about the real world, do ya? ;).

In every case of "neutrality" (save Switzerland, of course), the "neutral" people sent some sort of weapondry to the parties that they favored most. The most famous example, of course, is probably the World Wars. The Americans armed most of the allied forces, and they hadn't even entered the war yet!(in both cases).

You don't know much about the real world, do ya? ;).

In every case of "neutrality" (save Switzerland, of course), the "neutral" people sent some sort of weapondry to the parties that they favored most. The most famous example, of course, is probably the World Wars. The Americans armed most of the allied forces, and they hadn't even entered the war yet!(in both cases).

Switzerland accepted a LOT of Nazi gold and officers. So they aren't really neutral. When countries supply arms to belligerants they are no longer neutral, albeit it doesn't really work that way in real life.

Neutality is a joke. No nation can be truly neutral in any conflict, it's just not possible. Public opinion will invariably sway to one side and drag the government in with it.

Switzerland accepted a LOT of Nazi gold and officers. So they aren't really neutral. When countries supply arms to belligerants they are no longer neutral, albeit it doesn't really work that way in real life.

True 'dat.

I say that there should be a lot of tension developed first. Peace with mild tension for a few days, then moderate tension for a few, then severe tension for one or two days, then fighting begins.

As well, I don't think everyone should just join in at the same time. Wouldn't be very realistic.

Personally, I think this war would be VERY interesting if, say, a member of one alliance went to war with another member of the same alliance. It would probably lead to disruption within that alliance, and possibly wars between multiple alliances.

As far as my role in this is concerned, I'm definitely going to be in it.

I think everyone in E2 knows my stance towards foreign policy and invading lands. That's surely got to irritate SOMEONE.

But at the moment I'm developing massive defense lines and patrolling the waters almost constantly.

Secret alliances would definitely make this even more fun.

Initially, though, I won't be taking any military actions unless I'm attacked or one of my allies is.

Don't expect inactivity of any sort in this war from me though. ;)

Well, we already have two troublespots. Kenya (Yelm vs TKT) and the upcoming war between me and TLS (won't start untill the peace time is over though). You might get involved there....

Kenya is considerably more complicated than that, Cotland. We've got, at last count, four separate armies all fighting each other with a possible Yelm-New Jyrian Alliance.

Hello all, im back from DC, what did we decide, i have alot of posts to go through, so if someone could bring me up to speed, ill greatly appreciate it. im also putting this on Revitilazition. (ugh, sp.)

Kenya is considerably more complicated than that, Cotland. We've got, at last count, four separate armies all fighting each other with a possible Yelm-New Jyrian Alliance.
I see... well, I was just giving the general impression, because the conflict is primarily between Yelm and TKT. Or have I completely misunderstood the writing there?

Anyway, I have a sneaky little sub there that you don't know about that can do a LOT of damage if it has to.... *devilish laughter* j/k

I had an idea about one of the preliminary conflicts. I am at a state of semi-alliance or friendliness with all of my neighbors except one. There are still some bad feelings in Squornshelous over the invasion of British Columbia by Yelm. The Squornshelan military might find Yelm's distraction with the war in Kenya a perfect opportunity to strike back.

Yelm, let me know what you think about this.

Y'know, I might just deploy a few subs to commit piracy on the high seas in this little shindig. Hell, paint on a national flag of some other country and I could provoke a war... XD

We could also use layartebs only in time can pain fade thread, use the terrorists and have them steal a sub, nuke some countries, or not, just have a chase on the high seas.

We could also use layartebs only in time can pain fade thread, use the terrorists and have them steal a sub, nuke some countries, or not, just have a chase on the high seas.
If so, Layarteb have to RP them, unless he allows someone else to RP them for him. But I don't quite see how that is going to start a war other then all nuked nations attacking Kaliningrad....

I had an idea about one of the preliminary conflicts. I am at a state of semi-alliance or friendliness with all of my neighbors except one. There are still some bad feelings in Squornshelous over the invasion of British Columbia by Yelm. The Squornshelan military might find Yelm's distraction with the war in Kenya a perfect opportunity to strike back.

Yelm, let me know what you think about this.

It's an idea. The Kenyan War hasn't really been going that great though, I launched one 30 missile attack and that's it. But if you're going to attack you have to realize that my satellites will pick up military movements in the DMZ Zone. Also we both agreed to lower our military to half strength in the region to prevent future war, so if you're going to be assigning more units to the Canadian Provinces I'm going to notice that too. But if you really want you can start the war back up. Doesn't really matter to me.

Aight, here's what I've decided:

-I'm one of the biggest and baddest nations on E2. No need to brag, no bluffing, this is a solid fact. Only three or four guys can compare to me, and I'm allied with just about all of them. This means that I have very little to be concerned about when everyone else declares war on everyone and their brother. I'm fairly secure, I just need to keep it that way.

-I'm not going on a conquest rampage, that's for despots and maniacs. It really hasn't worked for anyone in history, it won't work for me. All great empires crumble, true. This is generally because all great empires pissed off the rest of the world and it bit them in the ass.

-This is going to be a land game for me. I need more land, pure and simple. When I signed on for E2, I was under the impression that I would be RPing as my puppet. This is not so, it seems. The land I have is sufficient for a nation of 1.5 billion, but not for one of the "Big 3".

The following people in Russia have land near me. Land that I might want:

~Pushka
~Lightning Star
~Cotland (Safe, because he's been a generally good fellow)
~Nerotika
~Gintonpar (I was gonna crush him anyway, war with him is a certainty)
~Hogsweat
~Neuvo Rica

I'm obviously not going to kill off every one of these people. These are just possible expansion spots. Keep in mind, this is totally OOC.

I also wish to expand into Europe, to join my lands with NGs. That is our main goal for this World War. Together we are invincible. I'll probably claim whatever he doesn't in Europe.

The Americas are safe, I have no wish to expand there.

That's what I've outlined thus far. The rest will be based off of whatever you guys come up with.

Aight, here's what I've decided:

(...)

The following people in Russia have land near me. Land that I might want:

~Pushka
~Lightning Star
~Cotland (Safe, because he's been a generally good fellow)
~Nerotika
~Gintonpar (I was gonna crush him anyway, war with him is a certainty)
~Hogsweat
~Neuvo Rica

I'm obviously not going to kill off every one of these people. These are just possible expansion spots. Keep in mind, this is totally OOC.

I also wish to expand into Europe, to join my lands with NGs. That is our main goal for this World War. Together we are invincible. I'll probably claim whatever he doesn't in Europe.

The Americas are safe, I have no wish to expand there.

That's what I've outlined thus far. The rest will be based off of whatever you guys come up with.

Mange takk skal du ha.

Translation from Norwegian...

Thank you very much.

I appreciate that you won't attack me. In return, I will not try anything against you.

-I'm one of the biggest and baddest nations on E2. No need to brag, no bluffing, this is a solid fact. Only three or four guys can compare to me, and I'm allied with just about all of them. This means that I have very little to be concerned about when everyone else declares war on everyone and their brother. I'm fairly secure, I just need to keep it that way.

I could take you. But I really have no reason to waste troops just to stop you and North Germania from linking up.

Anyone see the Mexico-USA game? Goddamn, I'm pissed off.

I could take you. But I really have no reason to waste troops just to stop you and North Germania from linking up.

You have no claims in Russia, which is what I was talking about when I mentioned expansion. Why you'd bother to post if you have no claims there is beyond me. If you really want to try it, go ahead and see what being a ten-mile wide crater is like. Remember: You may be 4.whatever, but the OA is well over 12 billion.

But there's a time and a place for this sort of thing. It is neither now nor here. Let's be good gentlemen and stop this little discussion.

Cotland: Not a problem, my friend. You've been an invaluable ally and have helped us out immensely. Not attacking you is the very least that I can do to show my gratitude. However, I don't just settle for the least that I can do, no. As of now, you have rights to full trading with the Dominion, and if you find yourself under attack...well, I'm sure I can find some excuse to help you out (And flatten whoever was assaulting you). Cheers.

Cotland: Not a problem, my friend. You've been an invaluable ally and have helped us out immensely. Not attacking you is the very least that I can do to show my gratitude. However, I don't just settle for the least that I can do, no. As of now, you have rights to full trading with the Dominion, and if you find yourself under attack...well, I'm sure I can find some excuse to help you out (And flatten whoever was assaulting you). Cheers.

Thanks. I appreciate it, my friend. Consider yourself granted full trading rights to Cotland as well as free passage for any vessel and airplane (provided that they don't fly over a military installation). I might call for reinforcements from you when the war begins. It depends. Anyway, thanks.

You have no claims in Russia, which is what I was talking about when I mentioned expansion. Why you'd bother to post if you have no claims there is beyond me. If you really want to try it, go ahead and see what being a ten-mile wide crater is like. Remember: You may be 4.whatever, but the OA is well over 12 billion.

But there's a time and a place for this sort of thing. It is neither now nor here. Let's be good gentlemen and stop this little discussion.


If you feel it necessary to take such offense to an offhand comment like that was then that's your perogative. But don't expect me to be afraid of you or any of your butt-buddies in the OA. And why I bothered to post? You claimed nigh-invincibility when that is clearly not the case.

The following people in Russia have land near me. Land that I might want:

~Pushka
~Lightning Star
~Cotland (Safe, because he's been a generally good fellow)
~Nerotika
~Gintonpar (I was gonna crush him anyway, war with him is a certainty)
~Hogsweat
~Neuvo Rica



Keep walking, buddy. There ain't no way your getting your grimy little hands on my part of Russia.

Unless I give it to ye....

See my problem is that I don't despise anyone on E2, which sucks. I don't get along with some people but I wouldn't go an invade them.. :: sigh ::

North Germania. I think I'm going to invade Baffin Island on you. What? You don't mind? Really? Gold? Awesome...

The Lightning Star: The land breakdown when I listed the Roman Confederacy members was simply the land that you had in the Mediterranean. I believe in your case I simplified your holdings, but I haven't had time to really mark everything the way it should be. I'll make those changes (though I'm not sure when because I have a lot of other work to be doing).

Elephantum: Ah...the devil is in the details. I see. Well, medical aid is okay in any form. Though again I want to say that if you have issues with The Knights Templars we do need to work it out for the alliance's unity.

EDIT- Again, I stand with The Island Of Rose: I'd like to stay out of the war. In fact, I may throw some wrenchs into the war process by fighting for peace. That can play in here somehow.

The Lightning Star: The land breakdown when I listed the Roman Confederacy members was simply the land that you had in the Mediterranean. I believe in your case I simplified your holdings, but I haven't had time to really mark everything the way it should be. I'll make those changes (though I'm not sure when because I have a lot of other work to be doing).

Elephantum: Ah...the devil is in the details. I see. Well, medical aid is okay in any form. Though again I want to say that if you have issues with The Knights Templars we do need to work it out for the alliance's unity.

Ah,okieday.

I can't do anything in the Kenya War until TKT posts again and he hasn't done so for a while. Yelm and New Jyria are too far away for me to fight and I've been engaged in an air battle with myself for three days. Argh, I hope he posts here sooner rather than later.

The Lightning Star: The land breakdown when I listed the Roman Confederacy members was simply the land that you had in the Mediterranean. I believe in your case I simplified your holdings, but I haven't had time to really mark everything the way it should be. I'll make those changes (though I'm not sure when because I have a lot of other work to be doing).

Elephantum: Ah...the devil is in the details. I see. Well, medical aid is okay in any form. Though again I want to say that if you have issues with The Knights Templars we do need to work it out for the alliance's unity.

EDIT- Again, I stand with The Island Of Rose: I'd like to stay out of the war. In fact, I may throw some wrenchs into the war process by fighting for peace. That can play in here somehow.
Rome, where should we sort it out? the war thread? Layertebs forums? this would be beneficial for you to sort out in case the rc needs aid in the war, so you do not have to go to all out combat, but provide aid to people.

just an aside. my goal from this war, is to become a sea power. and many thanks will go out to those who can help me get to this point. what i eventualy plan on doing, if its fine with all of you, is basicaly moving my entire millatery and a good part of my population (for human recources[eg mill.]) onto the sea.

But anyway...

We need to set a d34d line for this conflict to begin. no offence to any one, but, quite frankly, we need to make battle lines, we need to decide weather this will have n00ks or bi0 warfare. and we should decide soon.

Agreed. We need to get moving on this issue. I appreciate the fact that not everyone has break from school or work this week and are considerably more occupied than I am, but really start thinking about who you don't like and/or would like to attack for land or resources.

Alright. Basically the plan looks as such: Peace -> Tensions -> War

I like the idea of the multiple conflicts sprouting a major World War. It would make sense that way. After all, before 1939, there was fighting in China, Ethiopia, Spain, and elsewhere throughout Europe and Asia. The significance of having multiple wars create something large means that this doesn't just come out of the blue and that this actually has something behind it.

Alright. Basically the plan looks as such: Peace -> Tensions -> War

I like the idea of the multiple conflicts sprouting a major World War. It would make sense that way. After all, before 1939, there was fighting in China, Ethiopia, Spain, and elsewhere throughout Europe and Asia. The significance of having multiple wars create something large means that this doesn't just come out of the blue and that this actually has something behind it.

alright, im for it.

Oh yeah...

Terrorists are allowed, correct?

Oh yeah...

Terrorists are allowed, correct?

All is fair in love & war.

All is fair in love & war.

Yay!

You know, Baffin Island is just there. I'm not really sure why, but it makes a good water route between Layartebian and Germanian lands.

And about who you don't like and might want to attack, I have a few names on a list I prepared a long time ago. Some are newer than others.

As long as I'm allowed to drop hundreds of thousands of incendiary bombs on someone's capital, I'm cool.

As long as I'm allowed to drop hundreds of thousands of incendiary bombs on someone's capital, I'm cool.

Ppppfffffffffffffffffftttt.

That are t3h lamz0rz.

Gas Bombs(I.E. Mustard Gas) are where it's at ;).

we can have tensions during the peace, right?

Of course, start beginning military build-ups if you want and the like. I will be starting them soon.

we can have tensions during the peace, right?

Ahh...to what degree of peace shall be our peace?

There's no such thing as peace, just slow times in war.

Rome, where should we sort it out? the war thread? Layertebs forums? this would be beneficial for you to sort out in case the rc needs aid in the war, so you do not have to go to all out combat, but provide aid to people.

On Layarteb's forums, or, in a seperate thread here if Layarteb's forums are not good enough.

This looks pretty interesting... I'd like to participate it, if needed. I do hold claim to a fairly decent sized part of Europe.

Just to let you know, the North Atlantic Ocean is controlled by three countries (American side). Each of which has a defensice alliance with each other (North Germania, Layarteb and Celtayoshi) and each of these nations has huge military resources.

If you are looknig for a reason for tensions to begin perhaps it could be over the dominance of the North Atlantic?

But definately there must be a spark of some sort. Hsitory dictates europe has always been a battle ground, and looking at the E2 map of europe I see much room for conflict. Also a battle for pacific islands (the map also needs updating).

Furthermore, who says the war needs to be started by invasions, perhaps a diplomatic incidents (or series of) such as a space shuttle crashing down after takeoff on a major city, or some nation developing a major new fighter technology?

Layerteb, it could be like US-Germany pre-WWII, we weren't fighting, just unhappy with each other

Rome, i'll make a thread on Layerteb forums

As for reasons, we can have incidents, we can have north atlantic control, we can have imperialism, those all work, but somebody needs a leader with a few screws loose who invades someone because the voices in his head tell him to or something

EDIT-A pair of national leaders could go after each other US congress style (beating each other with canes)

EDIT-A pair of national leaders could go after each other US congress style (beating each other with canes)
LOL! :P

There are many factors that can be used for the start of the war. It could be an assassination WW1 style.... Who want to let their head of state get assassinated?

if neccessary, the High Sultan can go "bye-bye"

if neccessary, the High Sultan can go "bye-bye"

I could do that. I had an idea about selling a nuclear attack sub to a terrorist organization based in Squornshelous and that could be their target.

If you remember, Elephantum mad e a comment about Squornshelous during the Yelmish Invasion:

Official Communication from bunker below Royal Palace, Manama, Bahrain
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
We would like to congradulate Yelm and wish him luck in fighting the foul Canadian Menace.


Now a comment like that wouldn't cause our government to take any action, but terrorist groups are kind of crazy and given the right kind of firepower, they'll do just about anything.

Keep in mind, I'm just throwing ideas around to see what people think, this isn't anything I had my heart set on do feel free to speak your mind.

I could do that. I had an idea about selling a nuclear attack sub to a terrorist organization based in Squornshelous and that could be their target.

If you remember, Elephantum mad e a comment about Squornshelous during the Yelmish Invasion:


Now a comment like that wouldn't cause our government to take any action, but terrorist groups are kind of crazy and given the right kind of firepower, they'll do just about anything.

Keep in mind, I'm just throwing ideas around to see what people think, this isn't anything I had my heart set on do feel free to speak your mind.
just to let you know, i beleive you were eligible for decree 12 at the time, it was less directed at you than to show support for an up and coming country. I dont know what you're saying about the sub, but before he dies I'd like to get his son Hiraz married.

North Germania: Baffin Island would make a very LAVISH military point for me and allow me to close off most of the Hudson Bay. :) :: begins to place my Earthquake Class BBs off the coast with 12x 18" guns each! ::

Elephantum: He was Decree 12 but he's back now so under the allowance that I put in so that members can have it renegged, he's good to go!

Just before this war begins I will have a major fixing of the forums. The alliance forums will remain there and the security will remain as such, unfortunately I don't think I can make it any more secure than the PWs. I am going to try to limit it just to members of the alliance through special groups but I am not entirely sure that will work as there is overlap.

North Germania: Baffin Island would make a very LAVISH military point for me and allow me to close off most of the Hudson Bay. :) :: begins to place my Earthquake Class BBs off the coast with 12x 18" guns each! ::

Who says you need Baffin Island to close off Hudson Bay, with the recaputring of Southampton Island the palce is patrol night and day by the Celtayoshi Navy ;)


Also, if you want the Celtayoshi leader, King Németh, could be assasinated, he is very popular and an angry nation would demand blood.

Who says you need Baffin Island to close off Hudson Bay, with the recaputring of Southampton Island the palce is patrol night and day by the Celtayoshi Navy ;)


Also, if you want the Celtayoshi leader, King Németh, could be assasinated, he is very popular and an angry nation would demand blood.

If I had Baffin Island I could just set up a pickett line from southern Baffin to northern Dnalkrad and walla! To get into the Hudson there would be only one route and that's all the way around to the north & west of Baffin.

If I had Baffin Island I could just set up a pickett line from southern Baffin to northern Dnalkrad and walla! To get into the Hudson there would be only one route and that's all the way around to the north & west of Baffin.
Not if you have a massive fleet wanting to pass...

i have a couple of spanners im willing to throw into the works (mosstly metaphorically, but if a spanner ended up in the engine of a space shuttle, i just might be responsible

Not if you have a massive fleet wanting to pass...

Torpedoes work wonders for those pesky problems. Also, land based artillery, aircraft, more torpedoes, and anti-ship missiles.

Torpedoes work wonders for those pesky problems. Also, land based artillery, aircraft, more torpedoes, and anti-ship missiles.
Heh. That's what you have submarines, arsenal ships and interceptor aircraft from carriers for. ;)

Heh. That's what you have submarines, arsenal ships and interceptor aircraft from carriers for. ;)

But then we grab our allies and throw more torpedos, now, back on topic :)

We don't actually need to paln anythnig to happen, all we need to do is get two sides to agree to start a conflict, and gradually, if nations wnt to, they can join in...

You know, there's too much talk being passed about my land.

You know, there's too much talk being passed about my land.
Ja, aber ich will dir hilfen wenn du kommen unter angriff nach ausen.

( I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. German isn't my strongest side.. )

Ja, aber ich will dir hilfen wenn du kommen unter angriff nach ausen.

( I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. German isn't my strongest side.. )

Ihre ganze Unterseite alle gehören uns!

You know, there's too much talk being passed about my land.

Indeed :D

As for German, ah, erm, what are they saying?

Are you saying anything important, i only understand english, and various amounts of latin, french, and arabic, so you might as well be speaking greek

Are you saying anything important, i only understand english, and various amounts of latin, french, and arabic, so you might as well be speaking greek

Not really.

the voting deadline ended, by my clock, 29 minutes ago, does the week of clam before the storm begin now?

Eh, we need a start to the storm...

the voting deadline ended, by my clock, 29 minutes ago, does the week of clam before the storm begin now?

No. When I get back from work tonight I'll have this sorted out. Remember, we want to let the current wars end. We have to give them some time. I'll think about it while I'm at work guys.

Celtayoshi has no current wars, we will not be claimnig any more territory fo a while, mearly consolidating our forces.

Even though voting has ended, I think there are some things that need to be considered:
1: Kenya- while it was going slowly, it was only because i was a tad busy. Its gonna heat up real fast, and I do plan on pressuring for Confederacy help. As far as fairness, I have no problem with a world war coming up while im in africa. It is a disadvantage, but i dont think we shuold think to hard about this. Wars can be very random.

2: Armies- everybody who has posted here so far has claimed to be "one of the biggest, or baddest or most powerful" of the nations in E2. Evrybody has a huge military. In small, isolated conflicts I think we've been able to rely on honesty, but i a huge world war stuff i s going to go wrong. The time we have before war breaks, I should think we should nail out the size of our militaries. Everybody, and completely. I myself am guitly of this, but this week of peace needs to be used for this. Third Geek statistics will be useful for this

3:Results- We will HAVE to have a semi-omniscient moderator. A nuetral country, or otherwise, this war will NEVER end. We could possibly even have a set end date, since we seem to be into sorting this out to details. IF done wrong, this could kill E2, so there is my concern

Even though voting has ended, I think there are some things that need to be considered:
1: Kenya- while it was going slowly, it was only because i was a tad busy. Its gonna heat up real fast, and I do plan on pressuring for Confederacy help. As far as fairness, I have no problem with a world war coming up while im in africa. It is a disadvantage, but i dont think we shuold think to hard about this. Wars can be very random.

2: Armies- everybody who has posted here so far has claimed to be "one of the biggest, or baddest or most powerful" of the nations in E2. Evrybody has a huge military. In small, isolated conflicts I think we've been able to rely on honesty, but i a huge world war stuff i s going to go wrong. The time we have before war breaks, I should think we should nail out the size of our militaries. Everybody, and completely. I myself am guitly of this, but this week of peace needs to be used for this. Third Geek statistics will be useful for this

3:Results- We will HAVE to have a semi-omniscient moderator. A nuetral country, or otherwise, this war will NEVER end. We could possibly even have a set end date, since we seem to be into sorting this out to details. IF done wrong, this could kill E2, so there is my concern

(1) Are the participants willing to sit down and talk regarding Kenya? I'm really trying to avoid a war there. Plus you haven't been attacked in Tanzania yet, right?

(2) My only concern with Third Geek is that I don't believe it's accurate. The NS statistics are rather incomprehensible to begin with, and expanding upon them will provide even more headaches (I'd also argue trying to fit your entire NS population on Earth II is also EXTREMELY problematic given the area and resources that we have, but that's another matter). We should set more realistic limits- e.g., having armies that have no more than 1 million men, 100,000 tanks, etc.- basically, armies that are only moderately better than the US'; and, yes, you're right, someone needs to keep track on that (more on that later).

(3) I'll offer to moderate the whole conflict. I plan on staying neutral through this, so I'll offer to make sure everything runs smoothly.

1: I have agreed to said conference, and so has everyvody else, but for some reason it hasnt happened. So, unless you object, Im just going to start rping the conference (in Rome, isnt it?) in hopes of getting the ball rolling

3: Not that I doubt your honesty, or skill as a moderator, and not to impose, but as at least the figurative head of the Confederacy, wont that be a little hard? I will of course wait for the decided time limits, and I dont want to step on any toes, but my future plans, even within WW3, involve the middle east and confederacy members. YOu might be needed in some stuff, seeing as how the confederacy could be a focal point of the war, sad to say
also, i dont want to lose a good ally on the eve of total war :cool:

1: I have agreed to said conference, and so has everyvody else, but for some reason it hasnt happened. So, unless you object, Im just going to start rping the conference (in Rome, isnt it?) in hopes of getting the ball rolling

3: Not that I doubt your honesty, or skill as a moderator, and not to impose, but as at least the figurative head of the Confederacy, wont that be a little hard? I will of course wait for the decided time limits, and I dont want to step on any toes, but my future plans, even within WW3, involve the middle east and confederacy members. YOu might be needed in some stuff, seeing as how the confederacy could be a focal point of the war, sad to say
also, i dont want to lose a good ally on the eve of total war :cool:
i hope you're not talking about me

on a separate note, am not claiming to be one of the biggest armies, but i want to be an active participant, particularily in europe, theres a few choice pieces of land i want

i admire your honesty regarding your army
and you have Bahrain, right? No,I'm not talking about you. Although it could be very beneficial for both of us to talk about said countries (within the confederacy) in the middle east . . .

(2) My only concern with Third Geek is that I don't believe it's accurate. The NS statistics are rather incomprehensible to begin with, and expanding upon them will provide even more headaches (I'd also argue trying to fit your entire NS population on Earth II is also EXTREMELY problematic given the area and resources that we have, but that's another matter). We should set more realistic limits- e.g., having armies that have no more than 1 million men, 100,000 tanks, etc.- basically, armies that are only moderately better than the US'; and, yes, you're right, someone needs to keep track on that (more on that later).

I think we should just use our regular NS military, some of us, if not all of us have worked hard buying and making our own military equipment and all. Plus in terms of equipment the U.S. lacks far behind technologically wise to some E2 nations so basically their equipment is considered inferior.

I think we should just use our regular NS military, some of us, if not all of us have worked hard buying and making our own military equipment and all. Plus in terms of equipment the U.S. lacks far behind technologically wise to some E2 nations so basically their equipment is considered inferior.
ive kept track of just about everything ive bought, i use you for my army an layerteb for everything else

The Knight Templars: Yes good idea. A truly neutral country will be the moderator of this, which basically means that me and Marimaia won't be moderating this. TIOR professed he wished to have nothing to do with this. I believe someone else did as well. Perhaps they wouldn't mind that. However, I would stress that nobody attack the mod if they are neutral, in the truest of sense. When do you think the Kenya war will be over by?

Special Note: I have never claimed to have the biggest & baddest military.

The decision on when peace/tensions/war will begin will be based on TKT's response for the end of conflict in Kenya.

My quarrel with setting a limit on military size, power, ability, etc is that nations with larger land claims, larger populations, better economies, more efficient government spending programs, and the need to have a stronger more able military than other nations.

Realistically, without doing such any nation with large land claims, and even with large populations and great economic power, would still be able to be easily crushed by an efficient, powerful, and large enemy military force.

Even in history, this was so. In World War II, Germany had to maintain an extremely powerful and effective military to control the territories they conquered, and to attempt to keep their former power.

Apart from the size and ability of any such nation, technology plays an invaluable role in the sovereignty, power, and ability of a nation.

As a historical example, the Wehrmacht in WW2 crushed the Polish military -- a country equal, if not larger, in size and I believe higher in population -- within two weeks due to their vastly superior military technology, efficiency, and ability.

To maintain realism in E2, I do not agree with setting boundaries on a nation's military ability, unless within reason. In any case, I do not believe it to be a necessity. For example, even if a larger nation with a much superior army, superior economy, and larger population invaded a much smaller nation which lacked in the aforementioned categories, that smaller nation could gain the support of allies and make the fight fair.

On a separate note, and as The Knight Templars wisely stated about ruining Earth II, I agree completely with this, as NationStates is still only a game lacking the limitations of real life, especially in times of war. However, I do not believe that setting a time limit is a good idea. Things will end soon enough, and the war will not drag on forever.

While I don't mean to worry people to the extent that they may become hesitant of continuing this war, I felt that these ideas needed to be more extensively analyzed.

Personally, The Teutonic Order (North Germania) will be engaged in no conflicts until it is deemed necessary for the protection of allies, either aligned through Autonomous Agreements [e.g. Germania and Hawdawg, Germania and Pyschotika], through Defense Treaties [e.g. Layarteb, Germania, Celtayoshi], or Mass Alliances [e.g. The Roman Confederacy, The October Alliance, etc.]

Furthermore, The Teutonic Order will be doing nothing be building its defenses and counterstrike abilities during the peace/tensions period before the actual war begins.

I will make a post about this very soon.

On a lighter note, I'm sure this war will go down in E2 history forever and will be a great and fun experience for all involved parties. In the future, I suggest that any nations potentially conquered during the war become a Client State of the nation by which they were invaded and defeated - meaning, that they are still active in E2, but will have no real power during the war.

After the war has ended, if treaties and agreements can be made, those nations potentially conquered be given back their former lands and powers. Of course, even during the war, those theoretical nations defeated could always plot, say, an uprising of sorts to keep the war even more interesting.

Just some thoughts. :)

- Tomas K.

I agree. Any nation that gets defeated / occupied can RP undergroud resistance, exile government and military, puppet governments, etc. The fact that the nation is occupied don't mean that all resistance have been crushed.

A good example on this is WW2, when Polish, French and Norwegian ( just to mention a few ) governments fled to Britain and maintained an exile government and military ( even though the exile militaries were integrated in the British military and used accordingly ). Therefor, we shouldn't automatically dismiss the defeated governments, because they will likely have a stronger will to fight to get their nation independent and free again.

So there are still hope for those who get defeated. I am for the proposal of letting each nation defeated be returned their land when the war is over, unless the two ( or more ) parties agree on something else.

The last thing we want is to ruin Earth II.

<snipz0rz>
Special Note: I have never claimed to have the biggest & baddest military.

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Well, Layarteb, your allies claimed that the October Alliance had the biggest and baddest military, which is disputable. They also claimed to be the most advanced, which is also disputable.

Well, Layarteb, your allies claimed that the October Alliance had the biggest and baddest military, which is disputable. They also claimed to be the most advanced, which is also disputable.
His allies did, he didn't.

As a historical example, the Wehrmacht in WW2 crushed the Polish military -- a country equal, if not larger, in size and I believe higher in population -- within two weeks due to their vastly superior military technology, efficiency, and ability.


One minor bone of contention here. tHe only reason it was accomplished so swiftly was that the Polish forces dispersed themselves along the border, allowing minute penetrations to turn into full-scale advances due to lack of proximity of reeinforcing troops. The Poles had more men, the Poles had much better morale, indeed, the Poles had an airforce near their cities which was equal in nhumber to the Luftwaffe.

However, lack of heavy armor near the front in divisional form and the large spread of the defenders meant Poland was doomed. Bu7t Germanty wasn't that good. The furthest-reaching divisions even began to run out of supplies due to lack of supply lines at one point in the campaign! Only that sheer luck on Germany's behalf in the openeing moments of the campaign gave them that swift and easy conquest. But things could have easily been much different.

Hijack aside, occupations are good for the RP. And the other stuff mentioned, as in large militaries and the like. Righto.

The Knight Templars: Yes good idea. A truly neutral country will be the moderator of this, which basically means that me and Marimaia won't be moderating this. TIOR professed he wished to have nothing to do with this. I believe someone else did as well. Perhaps they wouldn't mind that. However, I would stress that nobody attack the mod if they are neutral, in the truest of sense. When do you think the Kenya war will be over by?

I did. It's The Island of Rose and I who have stated that we don't want anything to do with the war. In fact, I've offered to take the job myself. I know, I'm the figurative head of the Roman Confederacy, but I've also caught myself into a tangled web of alliances and diplomatic relations (for example, I'm on good terms with Yelm, who is fighting against The Knights Templars in Kenya), so it's probably within my own interests to stay neutral- plus I'm not sure how my economy will be able to handle being at war all the time. I'll also be trying to defuse every situation that I can, because that's in my nature.

I guess my situation is a little precarious because I'm active in the RC, but I hope something can be arranged where I *can* be neutral in this war.

Uh, Rome? I control a helluva lot more land than you gave me.

In the Mediterranean I own Numidia(N.E. Algeria), a city in Sardinia(Cagilia, methinks). I also own alot of South Asia.

But you already knew that.

how much do you want for N.E. Algeria?

how much do you want for N.E. Algeria?
Soemhow, I doubt that he will sell it. Especially after all the trouble he had getting it.

ooc:im putting this here so i dont have to make a thread about it. i realize that its not realy ooc. but it relates alot. by the way, i can read and undersand german, just not speak it.

5 out of the 10 Carrier fleets of the Dominion met up with 5 out of the 10 naval expeditionary forces. this floatilla will be stationed near the galapagos islands.

the other half of the Dominion's navy will be located in the mediterranian sea near algeria.

im working on getting my website online. when i do, ill put up my millitary componants.

I have made a peace offering in Kenya, so its really on Yelm to trully decide when the conflict ends now. That said, I should think it will end in a day or two at the most. Also
I completely agree with what North Germania said, and I think it makes a point. Bigger, richer nations need to have bigger armies. Thats why we need some sort of scale before the war starts.
Also, i thought the prospect of nations returning after the war was a given. If not, it should be. It's like war always has been (to draw an example, the game Victoria ) where victories over a country dictate how much land you can extract from them in a peace treaty. Occupation does not mean ownership.
And lastly, I want to say this before the war starts, so people dont take it the wrong way. Im rping as the Knight Templars, so some of my moves will be religously motivated. Just play though people, so dont get offended.
I hope I didnt just give away my plans . . .

*/me prepares Suez defenses for remaining neutral when TKT invades Israel*

do people mind if i begin tensions soon (tomorrow)

TLS, check your tg's

Regarding this world war about to kick off:

As soon as hostilities begin, I'll assume a neutral stance and continue on with my own affairs. However, the military will be bolstered up to Orange Alert (second highest alert status) and any attacks against my territory will be regarded as an act of war.

(I was thinking of perhaps expanding this to do with my Ukrainian territory - anyone in Europe want to try and seize Ukraine?)

Bigger, richer nations need to have bigger armies. Thats why we need some sort of scale before the war starts.

I think that, according to Thirdgeek, Hogsweat has the largest defense budget, I have the second largest, North Germania has the the third largest, and The Order of Reptiles has the fourth largest. Granted, I didn't check everybody but it seems the majority of you are under 15 trillion. Perhaps I can print out the list of participating E2 nations and get their GDP and Defense budgets, to help out with determining the size of everyone's militaries.

Are we setting limitations on our armies? I'm sort of confused.

Soemhow, I doubt that he will sell it. Especially after all the trouble he had getting it.
*feeling totaly out of the loop*
ok.

Are we setting limitations on our armies? I'm sort of confused.

It's been suggested. But I don't think it's at all fair for, say, a January 2004 nation to have the same size army as a January 2005 nation. You should operate with what you've earned.

The Lightning Star: They did. The October Alliance is autonomous within itself.

Teh Ninjas: Limitations on army sizes? We're not going to institute a policy of limiting the armed forces, populations, or other aspects of one's nation. I mean if you have a nation of 1 billion people and an army of 400 million people then that'll be godmodding but those types of limitations are a no-no.

Me and Marimaia will be discussing who will be the independent people of E2 but thus far we have RomeW on the list and possible TIOR.

Elephantum, are your royal family still in Cotland?

Elephantum, are your royal family still in Cotland?
they went to the funeral of Mike Feldinchii and now the Sultan's in Bahrain (the invasion's over), and the others are in Sicily

they went to the funeral of Mike Feldinchii and now the Sultan's in Bahrain (the invasion's over), and the others are in Sicily
Ok. Just making sure. *erase idea of holding Elephanti royal family hostage for Elephanti loyalty in the WW off the list*

Ok. Just making sure. *erase idea of holding Elephanti royal family hostage for Elephanti loyalty in the WW off the list*
we'd still have the High Sultan, and country comes before family here

While the treaty may not be signed, hostilities have ceased and only certain points are being said. I can say the fighting in Kenya is over with reliability now, so in the interest of movin on, you can start the waiting period when you wish, Layarteb

Well, Layarteb, your allies claimed that the October Alliance had the biggest and baddest military, which is disputable. They also claimed to be the most advanced, which is also disputable.

Remember that the biggest and baddest military on the battlefield is the one that has been defeated once. Why is that? Because they know where their weakness is.

The OA may be somewhat powerful together but individually, with the exception of North Germania, there's really nothing to fear. But I suppose that's the entire point of an alliance, eh?

(I was thinking of perhaps expanding this to do with my Ukrainian territory - anyone in Europe want to try and seize Ukraine?)

Not by me, my friend. I might put an offer on the table to buy in exchange for lands in Russia, perhaps. But no invasion coming from me.

Also, a ridiculously huge cockroach chased me around in my kitchen. Damned old house.

Off topic, one of the big reasons Layarteb and I founded the OA was because we didn't want to tango with the member nations.

As an example, long ago in the months of November - January 2003, there was a nation called "Smolny" who had a civil war in which the country was divided between people loyal to the government and Slavic Socialist freedom fighters.

Note: This was before TOA.

Anywho, me and Layarteb sided with the current government while Mr. Soviet Bloc sided with the Slavs. Well, to sum things up, all the Socialism present in the rebellion died and was replaced by Islamic Fundamentalism. Soviet Bloc then switched sides.

Well, after the war, Layarteb and I decided that due to our losses we didn't want to fight another nation like that, and thus The October Alliance was formed (Layarteb, NG, SB, and Hirgizstan).

The point is that when it all boils down to pure war, my allies in the OA are fierce bastards. Soviet Bloc was fighting Layarteb, myself, and Hirgizstan and was barely losing.

Just defending my dear friends on NS.

Who would this war be between? ... please forgive the stupid question, I'm sure the discussion has moved on from this by now...

Many, many nations. I can't be more specific, because I don't know yet.

I'm not sure. I lost track a few pages ago.

fair enough... I never asked that question...

Whoever kicks the whole thing off and his allies, against whoever he kicked it off against and his allies, thats who is fighting.

Remember that the biggest and baddest military on the battlefield is the one that has been defeated once. Why is that? Because they know where their weakness is.

I've been defeated more than once ;).

I've been defeated more than once ;).

I haven't so...

WORLD WAR ANNOUNCEMENT

Everything is set. Me and Marimaia have come to a conclusion and the following will be so:

1. RomeW will be the official moderator of World War as he will be neutral and instrumental in the peace processes.

2. The week of peace & tensions will begin on Sunday, April 10th, 2005 at 0000 GMT.

3. The week will conclude on Sunday, April 17th, 2005 at 0000 GMT.

4. Following this, World War will begin at the discretion of those involved (i.e. not everyone goes to war at the same time, they can go to war on Monday or Tuesday or Friday, if they wish).

5. In doing so, during the week of peace & tensions all Decree 12 & 21-day invasions will be suspended. If you wish to have them, begin the fight once the World War begins.

6. RomeW will start the thread and maintain the central thread. With that, all nations will be required to submit their intentions (neutral or belligerant). You are NOT locked into this submission. I do ask though that people please respect the wishes of those declared neutral. Naturally, I'm not going to demand it but I just ask that you please do it. The Nazi's didn't so how can I tell you that you have to.

this is gonna be good...

6. RomeW will start the thread and maintain the central thread. With that, all nations will be required to submit their intentions (neutral or belligerant). You are NOT locked into this submission. I do ask though that people please respect the wishes of those declared neutral. Naturally, I'm not going to demand it but I just ask that you please do it. The Nazi's didn't so how can I tell you that you have to.

Well, *my* neutrality has to be respected at all costs, and I'll be pretty particular about the neutrality issue, because my biggest pet peeve is being dragged into something I didn't want to be a part of. What I may do is make a list of all the nations who will be neutral and divide it into those that want no part in it and those that *may* want to be in it. I'm going to define "neutrality" differently than RL neutrality- here, neutrality means nations who are not interested in participating in the actual war itself.

WORLD WAR ANNOUNCEMENTall nations will be required to submit their intentions (neutral or belligerant).

Put me in the belligerant column. :mp5:

WORLD WAR ANNOUNCEMENT

6. RomeW will start the thread and maintain the central thread. With that, all nations will be required to submit their intentions (neutral or belligerant). You are NOT locked into this submission. I do ask though that people please respect the wishes of those declared neutral. Naturally, I'm not going to demand it but I just ask that you please do it. The Nazi's didn't so how can I tell you that you have to.

Hate to be the devil's advocate here, but lets just suppose a nation doesn't proclaim neutrality or belligerant status (we all know this is gonna happen), are they fair game? Just a question, I have an idea what I plan to do and I don't want it screwed up on a technicality.

I will wait for a ruling.

Oh and put me in the Belligerant column RomeW.

Thanks,

-Hawdawg

Just a little question from someone who don't speak English as a first language. What does "belligerant" mean?

Euroslavia will be neutral, that is, unless we see any good situations to take land. But for now, we'll stay neutral.

My stance is that you're belligerant until you state you're neutral.

With regards to who has made a clear distinction on which side they're on:

Belligerant (i.e. participating, either at the start or later- other words: land is fair game):

-Layarteb
-The Lightning Star
-Cotland
-North Germania
-Hawdawg
-Squornshelous
-Pelep
-Yelm
-The Order Of Reptiles
-The Knights Templars
-Elephantum
-Celtayoshi
-Tyrandis
-Marimaia

Neutral (i.e. *not* participating- other words: land is *not* fair game)

-RomeW (moderator)
-The Island Of Rose

Just a little question from someone who don't speak English as a first language. What does "belligerant" mean?

"Eager To Fight" (Dictionary.com)

Ok thanks Rome. I see you have me listed as belligerant. Keep me there, could you? ;)

Ok thanks Rome. I see you have me listed as belligerant. Keep me there, could you? ;)

Okay. I'll make sure you're neutral ;)

Okay. I'll make sure you're neutral ;)
LOL

All Confederacy members, check the Confederacy forum at Layarteb's. Kinda important..

OMFG! Ha0 d1d j00 n0 t4ht 1 w$ "belligerent"?

r j00 t3h pychich?????!?!?!?!?!?!?!!111!!!!!!111!!1

Back to reality, thanks for the list. Now I know who I can invade...

heh heh...

I haven't been keeping up with this thread much, so excuse me if this has been asked before: Will Hf-178 bombs w/ an X-ray trigger be considered WMD? If so, I will need to begin stockpiling some RDX...

OMFG! Ha0 d1d j00 n0 t4ht 1 w$ "belligerent"?

r j00 t3h pychich?????!?!?!?!?!?!?!!111!!!!!!111!!1

Back to reality, thanks for the list. Now I know who I can invade...

heh heh...

Yes. I also know that you have a confused personality but deep down inside you really want what's best for everyone. Oh, and that your mother is calling you. :D

I haven't been keeping up with this thread much, so excuse me if this has been asked before: Will Hf-178 bombs w/ an X-ray trigger be considered WMD? If so, I will need to begin stockpiling some RDX...

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Will munitions that use the hafnium-178 effect be banned?

For reference, the Hf-178 effect is thus: A sample of the long-lived isotope is bombarded with X-rays. After this happens, the electrons in the metal get exciting and release HUGE amounts of gamma radiation. If I remember correctly, the ratio of input X-ray energy to output gamma energy is 1:220-something. Since gamma radiation will penetrate through pretty much everything, especially in such huge quantities, its effectively a miniature neutron bomb that will kill the operators of a vehicle but leave the nonbiological parts intact.

Will munitions that use the hafnium-178 effect be banned?

For reference, the Hf-178 effect is thus: A sample of the long-lived isotope is bombarded with X-rays. After this happens, the electrons in the metal get exciting and release HUGE amounts of gamma radiation. If I remember correctly, the ratio of input X-ray energy to output gamma energy is 1:220-something. Since gamma radiation will penetrate through pretty much everything, especially in such huge quantities, its effectively a miniature neutron bomb that will kill the operators of a vehicle but leave the nonbiological parts intact.

I was just puzzled aboout what Hf-178 bombs were. Thanks for that. With that understanding, I think it's WMD and thus can only be tactical. Other thoughts?

We haven't banned anything to be honest. By the way my official status will be belligerant but to the point that I am also neutral. Perhaps we should have 3 categories:

Belligerent, Neutral, and Not-Participating

belligerant tis I

We haven't banned anything to be honest. By the way my official status will be belligerant but to the point that I am also neutral. Perhaps we should have 3 categories:

Belligerent, Neutral, and Not-Participating
what does that mean? are you gonna attack both sides in a conflict?

what does that mean? are you gonna attack both sides in a conflict?

I was trying to go with the way RomeW explained it, that neutral will have nothing to do with the conflict. I personally wish to be neutral but not to the point where I would not participate. That's why I suggested the three categories.

Throw me under the neutral portion of belligerants. Like Layarteb. Unless we're not having that. Then belligerant.

And I am of course assuming I can throw myself in at some point into the conflict, right? The way a neutral nation would when choosing a side- wait a bit, observe, then act.

Yes. I also know that you have a confused personality but deep down inside you really want what's best for everyone. Oh, and that your mother is calling you. :D

Damn! How did you know?!?!?!

Oh, and I like how you used the term "confused" instead of "My god! You are so insane it's not funny! You should be locked away or something!" :D.

Damn! How did you know?!?!?!

Oh, and I like how you used the term "confused" instead of "My god! You are so insane it's not funny! You should be locked away or something!" :D.

Actually, it's not very hard to be a psychic- it just takes careful studying of the individual at question (their mannerisms, the way they look and the way they talk, among others) and then making an educated guess about them (oh, and being *very* vague, because the less narrow you are the more likely you'll be able to guess correctly how that person is feeling and/or how they are thinking). I learned this from Skepdic.com and I've actually applied it in real life- my girlfriend and I found this book "Psychics for Kids" and she opened this page to this list of symbols and she asked me if I knew which one she was looking at. I remember one of the symbols was a lighting bolt symbol, and another was a sun (there were four others but I don't remember them), but before I answered her, I examined her. She was very antsy repeating her question to me, after which I correctly identified that she was thinking of the lightning bolt. She was surprised, but I told her that she shouldn't be because it's not hard- all it takes is A LOT of analysis.

We haven't banned anything to be honest. By the way my official status will be belligerant but to the point that I am also neutral. Perhaps we should have 3 categories:

Belligerent, Neutral, and Not-Participating

We'll have two *main* categories (belligerent and neutral) with two sub-categories each: belligerent (1) (invading/invaded, or will be at war from the beginning), belligerent (2)- (neutral, won't join the war until later), neutral (1) (non-participating, state/land is out of bounds for the duration of the war), neutral (2) (may-participate, state/land is fair game as they may want to join later)

In which case the new list is as follows:

Belligerent (1):

-The Lightning Star
-Cotland
-Hawdawg
-Squornshelous
-Pelep
-Yelm
-The Order Of Reptiles
-The Knights Templars
-Tyrandis

Belligerent (2):

-Layarteb
-North Germania
-Elephantum
-Marimaia (status unknown- needs clarification)
-Celtayoshi (status unknown- needs clarification)
-Samtonia
-Euroslavia

Neutral (1):

-RomeW (moderator)
-The Island Of Rose

Neutral (2):
-Zeeeland (status unknown- needs clarification)

Let me know what you think, or if I have anyone in the wrong group.

As soon as hostilities begin, I'll assume a neutral stance and continue on with my own affairs. However, the military will be bolstered up to Orange Alert (second highest alert status) and any attacks against my territory will be regarded as an act of war.

Put me as Neutral (2) if you could, Rome. Also, as I've said, I plan on using an invasion of my Ukrainian/Russian territories as the spark that'll kick my nation into war. Anyone interested at all in doing that?

New list:

Belligerent (1):

-The Lightning Star
-Cotland
-Hawdawg
-Squornshelous
-Pelep
-Yelm
-The Order Of Reptiles
-The Knights Templars
-Tyrandis

Belligerent (2):

-Layarteb
-North Germania
-Elephantum
-Marimaia (status unknown- needs clarification)
-Celtayoshi (status unknown- needs clarification)
-Samtonia
-Euroslavia

Neutral (1):

-RomeW (moderator)
-The Island Of Rose

Neutral (2):
-Zeeeland (status unknown- needs clarification)
-Andrehervia

Let me know what you think, or if I have anyone in the wrong group.

Alright, this I like. Neutral (2) for me please.

Belligerent 2 confirmed for Celtayoshi

Belligerent (2) confirmed for Marimaia

This is really looking good. :)

New Jyria will probably be Belligerent(1). Though I can't be sure because he's having trouble with the forums and I haven't talked to him since the weekend. I'll try and get an update from him.

I need to decide who I want to attack.

Yeah, Belligerent (1) sounds right for me.

Belligerent(2) for me, unless i misunderstood and this means that i am out of the war completely then put me in whichever one which makes me neutral at first but there is an assumption that i will enter the war later.

Please post me as Neutral (1) I am prepared to retaliate to any assault though.

Yeah, Belligerent (1) sounds right for me.

Any news on unlocking your nation yet?

Since Marimia is gonna get involved, I might get involved if North China is attacked. But that's it.

I'll join in if the conflict allows me to grab some land in Russia or may be if Cotland is attacked, but thats just a may be.

I'll join in if the conflict allows me to grab some land in Russia or may be if Cotland is attacked, but thats just a may be.
You could take on TLS in Russia....

I am into research of new military technologies right now, on a verge of a breakthrough. I will probably join in but not from the start, and thanks for giving me ideas.

New list:

Belligerent (1):

-The Lightning Star
-Cotland
-Hawdawg
-Squornshelous
-Pelep
-Yelm
-The Order Of Reptiles
-The Knights Templars
-Tyrandis
-New Jyria

Belligerent (2):

-North Germania
-Elephantum
-Marimaia
-Celtayoshi
-Samtonia
-Euroslavia
-Pushka

Neutral (1):

-RomeW (moderator)
-The Island Of Rose*

Neutral (2):
-Zeeeland (status unknown- needs clarification)
-Andrehervia
-Layarteb
-Neuvo Rica ("Neutral (1)" means that you won't be participating AT ALL, meaning that no one can attack your land. You indicate that you'll respond to an attack so you'll be put here)

*Rose: I thought you wanted no part of the war, but now I'm confused- do you want me to put you in my group (where you can't get touched at all) or do you want me to put you in "Neutral (2)" where you can?

Let me know what you think, or if I have anyone in the wrong group.

You could take on TLS in Russia....
I'm trading my land for, well, land!

-Neuvo Rica ("Neutral (1)" means that you won't be participating AT ALL, meaning that no one can attack your land. You indicate that you'll respond to an attack so you'll be put here)


My mistake...

Belligerent (1):

-The Lightning Star
-Cotland
-Hawdawg
-Squornshelous
-Pelep
-Yelm
-The Order Of Reptiles
-The Knights Templars
-Tyrandis

Belligerent (2):

-Layarteb
-North Germania
-Elephantum
-Marimaia (status unknown- needs clarification)
-Celtayoshi (status unknown- needs clarification)
-Samtonia
-Euroslavia

Neutral (1):

-RomeW (moderator)
-The Island Of Rose

Neutral (2):
-Zeeeland (status unknown- needs clarification)

Let me know what you think, or if I have anyone in the wrong group.

im b1

Alright, this I like. Neutral (2) for me please.

Could you move me to this RomeW?

that new list makes more sense, thanks

New list:

Belligerent (1):

-The Lightning Star
-Cotland
-Hawdawg
-Squornshelous
-Pelep
-Yelm
-The Order Of Reptiles
-The Knights Templars
-Tyrandis
-New Jyria
-Duke Barol

Belligerent (2):

-North Germania
-Elephantum
-Marimaia
-Celtayoshi
-Samtonia
-Euroslavia
-Pushka

Neutral (1):

-RomeW (moderator)
-The Island Of Rose*

Neutral (2):
-Zeeeland (status unknown- needs clarification)
-Andrehervia
-Layarteb
-Neuvo Rica ("Neutral (1)" means that you won't be participating AT ALL, meaning that no one can attack your land. You indicate that you'll respond to an attack so you'll be put here)

*Rose: I thought you wanted no part of the war, but now I'm confused- do you want me to put you in my group (where you can't get touched at all) or do you want me to put you in "Neutral (2)" where you can?

Let me know what you think, or if I have anyone in the wrong group.

Could you move me to this RomeW?

You already are.

I guess beligerent 2 is the best option for me as I will be supplying mercenaries (read terrorists) to paying nations of good standing. I will also entertain attempts to invade me, just pm me first to work it out.

Coolio...So yes the EOL will be neutral but will participate if I must ;).

So then is this starting?

I guess beligerent 2 is the best option for me as I will be supplying mercenaries (read terrorists) to paying nations of good standing. I will also entertain attempts to invade me, just pm me first to work it out.
I am a paying nation of good standing <hint hint>

So then is this starting?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8610143&postcount=147

In a week...

if you guys need someone to kick it off, i'll do it.

if you guys need someone to kick it off, i'll do it.

Well uh, four of us are preparing to divide up Saudi Arabia, so I think you'd rather be on the offensive.

And we aren't n00bs, BTW. We all have more than 1,000,000,000 population, and Greenmanbry is on our side.

Ph33r us.

Of course, if you surrender Saudi Peacefully, we won't have to rip your entire empire apart...

******************IMPORTANT***************************

To all people marked as "belligerent": you MUST post your COMPLETE forces in the thread linked below by Sunday:

Earth II Defence Sheet (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412071)

Will do RomeW, work keeps me busy until tomorrow afternoon, then I will post forces.


-Hawdawg

******************IMPORTANT***************************

To all people marked as "belligerent": you MUST post your COMPLETE forces in the thread linked below by Sunday:

Earth II Defence Sheet (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412071)

Thats funny because he doesnt mean me ... yet ...

Will do RomeW; I won't have much time tonight or tomorrow, but Friday for certain.

Yikes! I haven't noticed this thread at all for the past half month or so! :(

Since I'm an integral part of the TLS alliance, I definately want to join the world war! Put me as belligerant 2 please.

Terribly sorry for my unexcusable tardiness. :(

Heheh...I don't recall declaring belligerent status, but that works for me.

One thing I absolutely MUST point out before I enter a fight: My tech IS acceptable. No bitching from anyone will be tolerated. I've defended it too many times before and have no wish to waste valuable war time doing it again. If anything, it is only slightly post modern. I signed up for the war long before strict Modern tech was agreed upon, so I'll be keeping my stuff just the way it is. I go by a strict honor system and avoid godmodding at all costs. You can trust me not to cheat (But with an army like mine, I hardly need to), so I don't want to hear any complaining.

Heheh...I don't recall declaring belligerent status, but that works for me.

One thing I absolutely MUST point out before I enter a fight: My tech IS acceptable. No bitching from anyone will be tolerated. I've defended it too many times before and have no wish to waste valuable war time doing it again. If anything, it is only slightly post modern. I signed up for the war long before strict Modern tech was agreed upon, so I'll be keeping my stuff just the way it is. I go by a strict honor system and avoid godmodding at all costs. You can trust me not to cheat (But with an army like mine, I hardly need to), so I don't want to hear any complaining.

If it's somewhat normal and feasible, then I will be fine with it. If it's godmodded uber-planes no one can hit, I'll sure as hell have a problem. Post the stuff if you think there will be a problem. But you can't just say we have to accept tech that we don't even know about. Go post it on the OOC thtread dealing with armed forces numbers. The rest of us have the right to know what it is you're so concerned about us arguing over.

Heheh...I don't recall declaring belligerent status, but that works for me.

One thing I absolutely MUST point out before I enter a fight: My tech IS acceptable. No bitching from anyone will be tolerated. I've defended it too many times before and have no wish to waste valuable war time doing it again. If anything, it is only slightly post modern. I signed up for the war long before strict Modern tech was agreed upon, so I'll be keeping my stuff just the way it is. I go by a strict honor system and avoid godmodding at all costs. You can trust me not to cheat (But with an army like mine, I hardly need to), so I don't want to hear any complaining.

That may not entirely be up to you. Just post everything (including what you believe will be problems) and we'll take a look. You may need to defend it in the Forces thread though.

Thats funny because he doesnt mean me ... yet ...

Well, if you do intend on being a part of the war effort (even it's just later), then you should be listed as "belligerent". "Neutral 1" is meant to be for those who are not interested in being in the war but will join in if they have to (e.g. they were invaded).

So what exactly is the difference between Belligerent 1 and Belligerent 2?

Since I'm listed under Belligerent 2, and have no plans for aggressive actions, I'd like to know.

So what exactly is the difference between Belligerent 1 and Belligerent 2?

Since I'm listed under Belligerent 2, and have no plans for aggressive actions, I'd like to know.

"Belligerent" means that you want to be a participant in the war or plan on being one- "1" means that you'll participate from the get-go, "2" means that you'll join later. "Neutral 2" is basically for people who are unsure if they want to be a part of the war, whereas "belligerent" people definitely do.

This is may be a bit late, but how can I get involved?
My ties have become ever increasing as my nation signs and applies to join alliances. This could further propel the confilcts..

Thanks for the clarification, Rome. :)

Thanks for the clarification, Rome. :)

You're welcome.

bump

My World War plans have kinda stalled out, I currently have a rogue submarine in the South Pacific, but there's no plausible target for it. If anyone has an idea about what I can do, let me have it.