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The Imploading Novonic Ray, or more comonly known as the INR, is a super weapon exclusive to the HGE. A giant object, a mobil spacestation or a mothership, carries this destructive beam. With four points in the shape of a circle, electricity emmits from the tips and is activated through a hole within the center and is shot at any target.
The weapons blast radius has the distructive power of up to 5,914,520,000 kilometers. Though the blast radius reaches up to 1.5 lightyears, it doesn’t do any damage and just serves as a kindof “after math” type of reading for any ships who receive the disturbence.

The Process :

1 Charge of INR takes aproxamitly one-two hours, enough time to sage an attack on either the station or the Super Command Ship.

2 Beam fires at target.

3 The Star successfully implodes upon itself, destroying everything with in the blast radius. Ships with a strong enough instruments which could detect the energy building up from the user can go to warp, hyperspace (or whatever you call your stardrive systems) early enough to just escaping the blast though if they leave too soon, they will lose the system they are trying to defend and will loose it.

4 The star reaches the maximum diamiter (.01 µm (mircometers)), and is sustained for about thirty seconds. Then star becomes unstable and it goes “nova.” The total shock waves come out in three spheres.

5 First sphere is aproxamitly 150 million km killometers (distance from sun to earth)


6 Second is 5,914,520,000 kilometers(distance from sun to pluto)

7 The third and final sphere reaches at a maximum length of 1.5 lightyears.

Here is the problem. Though as powerful as this weapon is, it has three essential drawbacks. The first being that the INR effects everything within the three spheres. Then the second drawback is that it takes up to one hour to charge. The cannon is HUGE, not to mention all of the energy that it would take up to just maintain the gun without even charging it. The cannon’s range is up to 54,059,230 Km from the targeted star or less inorder for it to be successful.

The Implosion
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/img/space/hypernova.jpg

The Explosion
http://www.geocities.com/ryanilahi/HubblePix-01.jpg

OOC: Hopefully I made the appropriate changes that people requested from before.

(OOC: This will probably be my only post today for a while...

1: pictures
2: nice
3: tag for future comments.

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(OOC: This will probably be my only post today for a while...

1: pictures
2: nice
3: tag for future comments.

End.)

Right. Pictures. *EDITS THREAD*

Bump.

ooc:An unblockable superweapon?It smells a bit god-modey.

ooc:An unblockable superweapon?It smells a bit god-modey.

It's very powerfull. Think anything within a blast radius of a star going Super Nova will survive? Basicly this is a story Rp weapon. I still can change it... again....

Even if it is huge (The sun is waaaaaaaaaay bigger, and to mess with it you'd have to surpass the energy output of the sun.) i doubt a laser based weapon could make the sun implode, a gravitic one could probably do it, but it would have to be sustained. The blast radius of the weapon is downright ridiculous and as i read it, it looks like a last resort/suicide weapon, because the star going nova.. no one leaves. BOOM. You are dead.

My $.02 varos

IC:

You humans are pathetic. You pour such time, money, and resources into such foolish (OOC: And Godmodish...) investments. Your weapon can kill a giant, but it can't hurt a fly. And the Wratih have flies...many of them. We have no one stable system.

If you ever use such a weapon, we will hunt you down. We will Cull your people until there is nothing left, then we shall store you as the cheepest of our stock; the least tasteful.

You have been warned.

OOC:

But, seriously. Don't use that. It's just screaming with Godmod. Unless you can incorporate it skillfully, then I say drop it.

If you want, how about this: not only should the charge time increase (One to two hours!? Come on! That's way too short!) but the actual positioning time should take days, even weeks. After all, miniscule course differences (even going into nanometers off) can trully affect the course of the weapon over lightyears in distance. You need to make sure you compensate for debree in space (and there is plenty of debree), any other stellar objects that will be in the way, gravity that might alter the beam (after all, its' made of particles; not light), and thousands of other variables.

IC:

You humans are pathetic. You pour such time, money, and resources into such foolish (OOC: And Godmodish...) investments. Your weapon can kill a giant, but it can't hurt a fly. And the Wratih have flies...many of them. We have no one stable system.

If you ever use such a weapon, we will hunt you down. We will Cull your people until there is nothing left, then we shall store you as the cheepest of our stock; the least tasteful.

You have been warned.

OOC:

But, seriously. Don't use that. It's just screaming with Godmod. Unless you can incorporate it skillfully, then I say drop it.

If you want, how about this: not only should the charge time increase (One to two hours!? Come on! That's way too short!) but the actual positioning time should take days, even weeks. After all, miniscule course differences (even going into nanometers off) can trully affect the course of the weapon over lightyears in distance. You need to make sure you compensate for debree in space (and there is plenty of debree), any other stellar objects that will be in the way, gravity that might alter the beam (after all, its' made of particles; not light), and thousands of other variables.


The death star only took seconds to activate it's weapon. If the empire wanted to destroy a whole system, they could've done it in less than a day.
The sun crusher (almost the same idea as this) has the capability to destroy an entire system in a mater of minutes (and it's only the size of a starfigher!).

I'll take your comment into account though.

4 The star reaches the maximum diamiter (.01 µm (mircometers)), and is sustained for about thirty seconds. Then star becomes unstable and it goes “nova.” The total shock waves come out in three spheres.

If you did this to any star is would not explode as you would have compressed it into a black hole and no energy could escape.

As soon as the star's radius is smaller than it's Schwarzchild radius it becomes a black hole.

For the Sun that is,

Rs = 2GM/c^2
Rs = 2(6.673e-11)(1.989e30)/9e16
Rs = 2949.5 m

So a .01 μm radius star is well below the Schwarzchild radius and as such will not produce an explosion.

And yes I know supernova's occur when a star's outer layers rebound off of it's iron core. But you're shrinking the whole star, so no supernova.

If you did this to any star is would not explode as you would have compressed it into a black hole and no energy could escape.

As soon as the star's radius is smaller than it's Schwarzchild radius it becomes a black hole.

For the Sun that is,

Rs = 2GM/c^2
Rs = 2(6.673e-11)(1.989e30)/9e16
Rs = 2949.5 m

So a .01 ?m radius star is well below the Schwarzchild radius and as such will not produce an explosion.

And yes I know supernova's occur when a star's outer layers rebound off of it's iron core. But you're shrinking the whole star, so no supernova.

Hmm... This is the type of responce I need. Are you a physist or something? Or are you a guy who happens to know a lot about science and the like?

Hmm... This is the type of responce I need. Are you a physist or something? Or are you a guy who happens to know a lot about science and the like?

I'm a physics major at the Univerisity of Winnipeg.

(OOC: I'm sorry, but Xessmithia, you're definitely going to have to tone that science down a bit for him. I know him in RL, and believe me, it's WAY over his head. (Some of it over mine too, heh.) No offense to either of you.)

(OOC: I'm sorry, but Xessmithia, you're definitely going to have to tone that science down a bit for him. I know him in RL, and believe me, it's WAY over his head. (Some of it over mine too, heh.) No offense to either of you.)

You've got a point. I'm not a physist (probably wouldn't understand half of the stuff LOL.) But I like to be as realistic as possible.

Ya know... a good way to indirectly cause a star to go up in a Supernova would be to nullify gravity around the core... That sucker would go up like a firecracker... a REALLY big firecracker.

Hmmm... now that has me thinking...

Ya know... a good way to indirectly cause a star to go up in a Supernova would be to nullify gravity around the core... That sucker would go up like a firecracker... a REALLY big firecracker.

Hmmm... now that has me thinking...

you got me thinking too...

If I change it though, it would have to have a different name.
I'll be up very late at nights just to decide on a simple name.
If I still stuck with the origonal name of Imploding Novonic Ray, it wouldn't make as much sence for there would be no imploding this time around.

you got me thinking too...

(OOC: Me, too... Hmmm, maybe if I shift the gravtions from the... You know, A simple Gravtion Displacement might, blah, blah, blah...)

Would take a forkin' lot of energy tho... but it would be kinda easier than trying to put a Black Hole in the middle or turn it into a black hole.

Eh, it has to do with the huge matter pressures at the core being counterbalanced with the star's immense gravity. If one can nullify that, the core of the sun would no longer have anything holding it together, and start of the reaction like a several quadrillion megaton nuke.

Not as much as a normal supernova, but still ouchie.

Would take a forkin' lot of energy tho... but it would be kinda easier than trying to put a Black Hole in the middle or turn it into a black hole.

Eh, it has to do with the huge matter pressures at the core being counterbalanced with the star's immense gravity. If one can nullify that, the core of the sun would no longer have anything holding it together, and start of the reaction like a several quadrillion megaton nuke.

Not as much as a normal supernova, but still ouchie.

(Huntaer as a Puppet)

Yup. Major ouchie. I think it could be possible with the erra of Star Wars I'm in (we're talikg like, years after the Yuusong Vong invasion).

I'm not technically a star wars nation. I just use the tech part for my empire as well as 40k stuff (you may have already heard me say this).

OOC: It's not a godmode weapon at all!

It's more of a 'Nuke-on-a-Pushbike'.

You stated right there - the Range is 54,059,230 Km, and as such, you would need to move the giant gun to around as close as Mercury is to our Sun, charge it up, and shoot it, taking your giant gun with it.

Anyone who wants to could knock out the gun a LONG time before it gets close.

And you couldn't afford to defend it with too much of a fleet, because when it blows, it'll take everything in the system with it.

I honestly doon't believe any reasonably developed system would not be equipped with active FTLi...

OOC: It's not a godmode weapon at all!

It's more of a 'Nuke-on-a-Pushbike'.

You stated right there - the Range is 54,059,230 Km, and as such, you would need to move the giant gun to around as close as Mercury is to our Sun, charge it up, and shoot it, taking your giant gun with it.

UMm... No... a laser doesn't have to be that close. the death star was about as far away as Mars is to the sun when it fired it's laser beam. The sun crusher (similar to the INR) destroyed an entire system from a long range. It doesn't have to be close.

And you couldn't afford to defend it with too much of a fleet, because when it blows, it'll take everything in the system with it.

I agree on the fleet part. The cannon will either be a big space station, or a huge mothership (something allong the lines of a Eclipse Star Destroyer).
A large fleet would more likely be wiped out along with the rest of the system. A major bad thing for me.

Anyone who wants to could knock out the gun a LONG time before it gets close

There is a reason why it would have a longer time to charge up the weapon instead of it being several seconds to charge. I don't want it to be a total godmod, so there is enough time for a fleet to attack it while defending their system. Besides, when I make it, I don't intend to use it very often.

. the death star was about as far away as Mars is to the sun when it fired it's laser beam

Not true. It was 6 planetary diameters away from Alderaan, which is no where near the distance between the Sun and Mars.

And if you nulled the gravity of a star it would kill the fusion reaction as it requires the immense pressure generate by the star's massive gravity to keep going. So all you'd get would be a big very slowly expanding cloud of gas that would require you to remain using your gravity nullifier for days at the least to get it to double in size.

Of course, ya might need to remember that everything in the core is so close together that fusion is made possible through the sheer gravitational pressures.

Not only would you have the sun's inherent pressure at the core coming into play, you'd have a weak force reaction the size of several jupiters taking place at the sun's core, as all those hydrogen atoms that used to be pressed so close to each other to actually facilitate fusion suddenly find themselves with no force binding them that way, and a LOT of residual heat. Likely a goodly portion of the helium at the core would split back into hydrogen atoms as well, enhancing the base reaction somewhat.

Of course, ya might need to remember that everything in the core is so close together that fusion is made possible through the sheer gravitational pressures.

Not only would you have the sun's inherent pressure at the core coming into play, you'd have a weak force reaction the size of several jupiters taking place at the sun's core, as all those hydrogen atoms that used to be pressed so close to each other to actually facilitate fusion suddenly find themselves with no force binding them that way, and a LOT of residual heat. Likely a goodly portion of the helium at the core would split back into hydrogen atoms as well, enhancing the base reaction somewhat.

Helium splitting back into hydrogen? What have you been smoking? It would be ionized helium but it wouldn't transmute back into hydrogen. I don't where the hell you got that stupid idea.