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We hereby announce the establishment of the Harlack Combined Peacekeeping Command to establish joint control over the forces now patrolling the demilitarized zone between the nations of West, East and South Harlack. The HCPC is chaired by General Oliver Stewart of the Army of Ollieland and has the commanders of each peacekeeping contingent as a member.

HCPC (15,670 men)

- Ollieland (General Oliver Stewart) (8,750 men)
72nd Infantry Regiment (4,000 men)
74th Infantry Regiment (4,000 men)
5th Company, CBW (Chemical & Biological Weapons) Containment
Battalion (100 men)
Team Two, Colonial Marine Corps Commandos (Air Insertion A) (100 men)
Ar4 ELINT Zeppelin (Colonial Air Force) (50 men)
Ar7 Air Mobile Hospital (Army Medical Corps) (200 men)
Ar9 Air Supremacy Zeppelin (Colonial Air Force) (50 men)
Ar10 Anti-ICBM COIL Laser Zeppelin (Colonial Air Force) (100 men)
Ar8 Counter Insurgency Zeppelin (Colonial Marine Corps Commandos) (50
men)
Team Three, Colonial Marine Corps Commandos (Air Insertion B) (100 men)

- Allemande (General Oliver LaCroix)
7th Mechanized Infantry Brigade (4,500 men)

- Pirate Captains (Captain Jim)
500 Pirate Volunteer Crewmen

- Skinny 87 (General Wyoming)
95th Regiment (1,500 men)

- Sephrioph (Lord Ryu)
120 Gundams

My Peace-Keepers are still active in the region, though I got confused by all the things going on in the thread after a while. My PK's are:

1,500 Lightly-Armed Troops of the 95th Regiment

35 M1A-1 Tanks
50 Bradley AFV's
100 Various Aircraft

Can we please have the name of their commander so we can include him in the HCPC.

General Wyoming

If the peacekeeping forces require any form of assistance, all they need do is ask East Harlack.

Our mission is to seperate the militaries of your three nations (although your animosity/friendliness can turn at alarming speed). Considering our mission, it would be inappropriate to accept help from your nation, although the offer is greatly appreciated.

DeVlaamseLeeuw has announced its intention to commit genocide in Harlack Mensa, murdering the Harlacker population there to clear the way for DeVlaamseLeeuw's own colonists

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8509934#post8509934

The force currently in the DMZ has its own tasks to perform. However, due to the nature of the threats by DeVlaamseLeeuw we are willing to send another force to Harlack Mensa (see other thread).

I have never heared such rubbish, I would never give green light for genocide actions. What are you people talking about? As far as i know the negotiations are still going on...
But any agression on any of my soldiers is an agression on my nation, and on my region.

The threat of killing the child population of a whole town was clearly made by one of your negotiators. It is not rubbish. The threat is clear and there for everyone to see. Our nation is bigger and more prosperous than you and your ally Gerhardt Kusterlodz (who has been strangly silent) put together. If we combined our forces with those of Greater Harlack it is clear that we would outnumber any forces that you and your region could project into Harlack.

During the entire Harlack crisis ollieland has remained strictly neutral and taken a very conciliatory tone with all nations involved. The threat of killing children (and you did make that threat no matter how much you deny) simply to extend your territory and wealth cannot and will not be ignored.

Leave Harlack - now.

(OOC can we take this to the other thread please? I'd like to leave this thread for DMZ business).

i had one wing of 120 gundams stationed thier under lord ryu's comand

This is Lt. Colonel Kraw; Gorkonian High Command is being forced to withdraw our peacekeeping forces from the area to assist in an emergency issue within our own borders. I apologise, but wish you good luck. I'm sure you can understand that the safety of our own nation and people must take priority over that of Harlack. Once again I apologise and...

*There is the sound of a silenced gunshot from somewhere in the room, a thud, and then the communication is cut short*

Department of Defense Communique

The Republic DoD is concerned with the fragile state of affairs in the Harlack Region, especially now that an act of Genocide has been openly declared as to happen. As such, the Republic will be reinforcing the Peace-Keeping Brigade currently in Harlack with the 3rd Republican Mechanised Division:

15,000 Troops
150 M1-A1 Abram MBT's
200 Bradley Fighting AFV's

The Division is currently enroute to Harlack, and will be deployed from Checkpoint Alpha, where the Republican PK Brigade is currently stationed. Accompanying the 3rd Division will be the 5th Special Infiltration Company (100 Men), and the 8th Tactical Airwing (250 Aircraft, 1000 Troops). The Republican Naval Assets will also be upgraded, as the 2nd Carrier Group will be deployed (35 Vessels including One Nimitz-Class Carrier)

The Republic also carries this message to the DeVlaamseLeeuw government from the President:

'The Republic is a democratic country free of oppression and condones any and all acts of genocide and brutality. If the government of DeVlaamseLeeuw commits any acts of Genocide or any other heinous acts, the full weight of the Republican Military will be brought down upon your country and those who commit these acts'

i had one wing of 120 gundams stationed thier under lord ryu's comand

These will be added to the force and Lord Ryu will be added to the HCPC.

Department of Defense Communique

The Republic DoD is concerned with the fragile state of affairs in the Harlack Region, especially now that an act of Genocide has been openly declared as to happen. As such, the Republic will be reinforcing the Peace-Keeping Brigade currently in Harlack with the 3rd Republican Mechanised Division:

15,000 Troops
150 M1-A1 Abram MBT's
200 Bradley Fighting AFV's

The Division is currently enroute to Harlack, and will be deployed from Checkpoint Alpha, where the Republican PK Brigade is currently stationed. Accompanying the 3rd Division will be the 5th Special Infiltration Company (100 Men), and the 8th Tactical Airwing (250 Aircraft, 1000 Troops). The Republican Naval Assets will also be upgraded, as the 2nd Carrier Group will be deployed (35 Vessels including One Nimitz-Class Carrier)

The Republic also carries this message to the DeVlaamseLeeuw government from the President:

'The Republic is a democratic country free of oppression and condones any and all acts of genocide and brutality. If the government of DeVlaamseLeeuw commits any acts of Genocide or any other heinous acts, the full weight of the Republican Military will be brought down upon your country and those who commit these acts'

OOC - Are these forces going to the DMZ or to Harlack Mensa? (the naval forces can't join the peacekeepers as the DMZ has no coastline.)

They will join Harlack Mensa and join with other Peace-Keeping Forces there. The Naval Forces will find the nearest sea and support Republican Forces from there.

Preparations are nearly complete for the peace conference concerning the crisis in Harlack Mensa.

Taking Part - (I am assuming that the members of the HCPC will take part)

General Stewart (Ollieland) - arrived
Brigadier General LaCroix (Allemande) - arrived
Lord Ryu (Sephrioth)
General Wyoming (Skinny 87)
Captain Jim (Pirate Captains)
Gerhardt Kusterholz - arrived
Count Krisrof I of DeVlaamseLeeuw - arrived
Major Tantith (Dumpsterdam)
Unnamed (West Harlack) - arrived
Unnamed (East Harlack) - arrived
Unnamed (South Harlack) - arrived
Ambassador Karl Kirstoff (Federated Harlack) - arrived
Dr Julian Oxnard (Harlack Mensa) - arrived
Moribund Carnadine (The Imperium) - arrived

Invited but yet to reply -

Hilan
Kelleghan
Neztrok

Negotiations will begin at RT Monday 5pm GMT (26 and a half RT hours from now). Please RP your arrival by then and keep personal guards to a minimum.

Hurry up and arrive! We're waiting!

*The delegates from South, East, West and Federated Harlack arrived at the same time, gave each other paranoid glances and found places to sit...far away from each other.*

*OC* Sorry, been busy, I'll come up with their names and post them soon.

Dr. Julian Oxnard, Assistant Dean of the School of Metaphysics, stepped out of the car and up to the microphones of the waiting reporters.

"Our position is simple - and non-negotiable:"The sovereignty of Greater Harlack is absolute and can never be compromised.

"Foreign troops are permitted on the soil of Greater Harlack only at the pleasure of one or more of its governments, and only for as long as we consent.

"An invasion of one nation of Greater Harlack is an act of war against all nations of Greater Harlack; all nations of Greater Harlack therefore have both a right and a duty to meet and repel it - by any means necessary.

"We Harlackers owe invaders no compensation for damages they may incure in the course of their aggressions against us.
"As I said earlier, our position is non-negotiable. The sole purpose of this conference - at least with respect to the invasion of Greater Harlack by the Commonwealth of De Vlaamse Leeuw and any allies foolish enough to support it in this criminal effort - is to facilitate an end to this invasion at the soonest possible hour. Whether the invasion ends with the invaders' withdrawal or with their surrender and subsequent repatriation through the ancient institution of parole matters not to us.

"Thank you for your willingness to hear our position."

And with that, he ducked into the hotel, followed by another professor and three graduate students.

"The xenos have exactly five hours to declare their intent to withdraw from Greater Harlack." *Ambassador Karl Kirstoff said told the assembeled delegates at the peace conference. He was from Federated Harlack and as such was the most likely to draw a hard line in the sand.* "If they fail to meet this deadline, Federated Harlack will consider itself at war."

Brig. Gen. Oliver LeCroix kept his words brief and to the point.

"Allemande supports Greater Harlack's sovereignty. We are here as guests, along with our allies from Ollieland. Anyone who is not here as a guest needs to leave and leave now."

A reporter shot back: "General, what about De Vlaamse Leeuw's claim that they deserve compensation for the losses they've suffered?"

LeCroix met the reporter's gaze directly. "Son, if a thief gets shot in the leg trying to break in to somebody's house and make off with the family silver, then paying the doctor bill is no one's responsibility but his. That's all I have to say."

Two Armored cars led a convoy of bullet proofed, black Chevy Suburbans into the DMZ peace talks. Standing behind ominous black machine guns in the command cupolas of each armored car were armored soldiers of 'Deruders Dogs', the parade guard of the Imperiam. Mostly used for show, they were still trained, professional soldiers. Each of them had black helmets with mirrored visors, the road ahead reflected perfectly in each one.

Both armored cars came to a halt just beyond the meeting grounds, the machine guns hanging limply off the passenger side of each of them, unmanned for the moment. (It wouldn't do any good to show up at a peace conference wielding automatic weapons.) The fur Suburbans slowed at the entrance and bodyguards wearing black suits and ties with red lapel pins stepped out, taking up their positions around the trucks. Last to emerge from the black vehicles was Moribund Carnadine, Deruder's personal emmisary.

The diplomat was accompanied by several assistants, male and female, with briefcases and wire-rimmed glasses.

As soon as Carnadine disappeared into the building each of the convoy vehicles pulled back and parked ebside their more heavily armed and armored fellows.

At exactly 00.14 pm, Count Kristof I of the commonwealth of De Vlaamse Leeuw arrived at the DMZ. Two marines stept out of the Douglas jet, followed by the count himself.

Gerhardt Küsterholz has arrived, but I am no count (just for the record ;-))

what are we going to talk about, cuz from my sources i heared the commonwealth is withdrawing their last forces, so what's the use of me and the count being here?
I care not too much about the unity of Harlack, their threat of nuclear bombing 24 of my towns makes me not too fond of any Harlack country. And for that matter not fond of any of the peace keeping countries. South Harlack can do or say what they want, and that's fine by the peace keepers, but when i send an army to help my allies, I have to stop them. This makes no sense, peace comes from 2 sides.
But as this is the situation, I won't press this too far, because then my country will be the bad guys, which is kinda lousy.
So why are we here?

South Harlack can do or say what they want, and that's fine by the peace keepers, but when i send an army to help my allies, I have to stop them. This makes no sense, peace comes from 2 sides."It falls in the same category with De Vlaamse Leeuw demanding to be compensated 'for his troubles'", growled Brig. Gen. Oliver LaCroix. "The Count acts likes the injured party in a war he started out of naked aggression, but thieves do not deserve to be compensated for the injuries they suffer in the course of failed robbery attempts."

"Similarly," LaCroix continued, "You can't just send troops to help De Vlaamse Leeuw out of a pickle he's gotten himself into through an act of naked aggression and expect that people will hold you blameless. Aiding a thief - even in his getaway - puts you on the same level as the thief."

Major Tantith stepped out of the transport aircraft, followed closely by two Royal Marines, he took the short walk up the steps to the conference area, bypassing the other delegates and taking a seat as soon as he arrived where his nametag stood.

what are we going to talk about, cuz from my sources i heared the commonwealth is withdrawing their last forces, so what's the use of me and the count being here?"Well, for one thing," said the General, "De Vlaamse Leeuw is taking their sweet time ending the invasion of Harlack Mensa. And don't give us this line about his not being able to withdraw: the Count was offered fair surrender terms more than once and refused to take them."

"But that's just the start. Allemande wants guarantees that De Vlaamse Leeuw will stay out of Greater Harlack altogether. Off the mainland, off the islands, out of the entire region. Your allies have been nothing but trouble, and those of us who have an interest in this region don't appreciate it," he continued.

"Don't believe what I say about the trouble they've caused?" added LaCroix, almost as an afterthought. "Look at the record."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ De Vlaamse Leeuw accuses West Harlack of "a wicked plan" against East Harlack involving non-existant offshore oil (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8415342&postcount=41). This is a blatant attempt to sabotage forthcoming peace talks.
De Vlaamse Leeuw challenges West Harlack's statement calling the above "intelligence" into question, demanding "an apology" when West Harlack was indeed correct to question De Vlaamse Leeuw's utterances about their nation and its intentions (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8415539&postcount=43) This is an attempt to intimidate another nation into silence, made all the worse by the fact that De Vlaamse Leeuw knew their accusation against that nation was wholly fabricated.
De Vlaamse Leeuw escalates his demands for satisfaction into threats against South, West, and East Harlack. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8415775&postcount=51) This is still in defense of an accusation that De Vlaamse Leeuw simply made up out of thin air.
De Vlaamse Leeuw falsely accuses South Harlack of sinking one of his warships, further indirectly implicating Allemande in the attack (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8426680&postcount=76). This is clearly an effort to pick a fight.
De Vlaamse Leeuw invades Greater Harlack, claiming the invaded territory to be "empty" and therefore "up for grabs" (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8471481&postcount=242). This is in spite of the fact that East Harlack has warned them off (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8464867&postcount=230), not once but twice (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8472414&postcount=244).
De Vlaamse Leeuw demands "compensation" as the price of giving back to Harlack Mensa what is rightfully theirs (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8502530&postcount=1). When Harlack Mensa refuses to pay up, De Vlaamse Leeuw threatens to slaughter all the children in an entire city (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8509694&postcount=7). When the international community protests, De Vlaamse Leeuw offers what can only be described as an "insanity defense": that the threats were made by an imposter who just happened to look exactly like the Count of De Vlaamse Leeuw's plentipotentiary (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8510437&postcount=15).
Not 24 hours later, De Vlaamse Leeuw's forces once more openly consider shooting on unarmed civilians (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8530945&postcount=49), even before they find themselves trapped (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8538104&postcount=57).

as far as my opinion is valuated, I think all of you are a bunch of hypocrites. When my mate had an imposter who told you guys that there was going to be a genocide, everyone was angry and was screaming about retaliation and stuff. When I, who haven't even been near Harlack, am being threatened with the use of nuclear weapons on 24 cities (this is mass genocide on a scale never seen before), i hear nothing (perhaps silent nodding).
As for this unbelievable hypocricy, the republic of Gerhardt Küsterholz will be only on the negociation table because our ally asked us.

as far as my opinion is valuated, I think all of you are a bunch of hypocrites. When my mate had an imposter who told you guys that there was going to be a genocide, everyone was angry and was screaming about retaliation and stuff. When I, who haven't even been near Harlack, am being threatened with the use of nuclear weapons on 24 cities (this is mass genocide on a scale never seen before), i hear nothing (perhaps silent nodding).
As for this unbelievable hypocricy, the republic of Gerhardt Küsterholz will be only on the negociation table because our ally asked us.

The Empire would do exactly the same, genocide calls for genocide, get used to it.
The Major sipped his glass of water, glaring at the Gerhardt Kusterholzian representative.
You would do fine to just sit and listen, while the grown ups talk.

lol kusterholz is right
if you say: we can't accept genocide from the commonwealth, than you can't accept it from the other side
anyway i have apologised for this wrong genocide thing from an imposter, and you keep going on about it, there was NO genocide, i apologised for it, what more can i do?

lol kusterholz is right
if you say: we can't accept genocide from the commonwealth, than you can't accept it from the other side
anyway i have apologised for this wrong genocide thing from an imposter, and you keep going on about it, there was NO genocide, i apologised for it, what more can i do?"Leave, and after you've left sign a guarantee that you'll never come back," snapped General LaCroix.

"As for Gerhardt Küsterholz," continued the General, "If you're going to back up your ally even when he undertakes naked acts of aggression, I would strongly suggest you keep him on a very short leash indeed."

General Stewart banged the table with a gavel, and asked for order from the delegates.

"It is plain to see that raking over old arguments of who threatened who with what will achieve nothing. Our purpose here is threefold;
- To see all uninvited foriegn military units leave Greater Harlack and her territorial waters.
- To review security arrangements for the continent.
- To investigate the possibility of future Harlack unity.

To begin with, we should examine the first item on the agenda. As far as we understand, the only military units in or in the vicinity of Greater Harlack that have not been invited belong to De Vlaamse Leeuw and Gerhardt Kusterholz. De Vlammse Leeuw's forces are withdrawing - and have been doing so for some time. The small size of the force and the ease with which they landed should have made for a fairly swift withdrawal, but this has not happened. Why? De Vlaamse Leeuw claims that the population of Harlack Mensa have blocked their withdrawal, but reports from the region do not support this.

Secondly, security for the region is something that needs to be arranged amongst the Harlack nations themselves. The international community can only do so much, and when foreign troops come to other nations, a situation like that of Harlack Mensa and De Vlaamse Leeuw can very easily happen. It is imperitive that The Harlacker nations chould be able to arrange their own security, both from each other and from overseas.

Thirdly, there has been much talk of unity for the whole of Greater Harlack, a return to the former Federal Government. Whilst we applaude such noble sentiments, we must insist that unity be reached through negotiation and compromise, not bullying and conflict.

The count rose.
"If you don't believe anything we say," the count spoke, "then why are Kusterholz and I here? I will tell you why the withdrawal wasn't as fast as you guys wanted.
1. I had rangers inland, they had to return to the hq first.
2. When they had all returned (the rangers that were still alive that is), a mob of citizens blocked our way out of our headquarter. This you can verify by asking the delegate from Harlack Mensa. After we spoke to them, they decided to form a living chain to lead us out of their country. At the moment they are on their way towards the shore, where 5 transport ships will pick them up.
3. Half of the army wasn't in the hq, and so they are all ready back on the commonwealth territory.

General Stewart gestured for the Count to resume his seat and spoke calmly.

"It is not a case of disbelieving you, merely stateing the facts open to us. What we want to know is

1 - when will your land withdrawal be complete?
2 - will you drop calls for compensation (this may have already be done, and if so, scrub this comment)?
3 - will all naval forces of both De Vlaamse Leeuw and Gerhardt Kusterholz withdraw from Harlack waters?
4 - will you sign a guarentee not to send military forces to Harlck unless invited to do so?

In fact", continued the General, "we ourselves intend to sign this guarentee and would urge all non-Harlack delegates to do likewise."

"Allemande will also sign such a guarantee," stated General LaCroix. "And agrees that the security of Greater Harlack is something Greater Harlack must provide itself."

in fact by this evening all militairy presence of the commonwealth will be gone. And as for Kusterholz, he hasn't even been there, he's still in Antwerp Port in the commonwealth.
So we won't be near Harlack anymore by this evening.
About this guarantee, I don't see the necessity. As we were threatened by South Harlack, we do not trust them and perhaps in the future there might be a need for retaliation on them.

General Stewart finally lost his temper.

"Your refusal to sign such a simple guarentee just goes to show your true nature! You invade a small undefended nation without any provocation, demand reparations when scared off by the international community, and then refuse to guaranetee not to return, claiming youv'e been threatened by an ally of the nation you invaded! Of course they threatened you! You launched an unprovoked invasion of their neghbour and ally! If we invaded you, Gerhardt Kusterholz would threaten us wouldn't they?

now kusterholz wouldn't even think about threatening with nuclear attacks on 24(!) cities in Harlack. I'm sorry but as far as I'm concerned, and I said this when that imposter diplomate was talking about genocide, genocide is not 1 bridge too far, but many bridges too far.
You ask us to sign this, when this threat hasn't been recalled? At least it has to be withdrewn, we don't even ask for apologies man, which I have done for something that i haven't even outed myself.

South Harlack made this threat in response to your own threat, whether made by an imposter or not - how were we to know this man was an imposter? All threats to your nation made by Harlack and non-Harlack nations have been made in response to your own threats or actions. When we get down to basics, your nation commited an act of naked aggression, and still refuses to live with the consequences of this. Your nation is the aggressor, you are not the victim.

lol i have apologised for this threat, i have withdrewn all my men, by this evening they'll be out of there, and still you keep supporting a threat of nuclear agression on my ally who hasn't even done anything. This threat was not adressed to me, but to Kusterholz, who hasn't ever been in Harlack waters.

Julian Oxnard leaned forward.

"Count De Vlaamse Leeuw," he began, speaking slowly. "You speak of 'trust', and then try to pull the wool over our eyes with this fantasy about an 'imposter' making the threats against our children."

"Can you produce this imposter or prove that Lord Gonzales was not in the office of our Provost making these threats?"

Silence fell across the room. Dr. Oxnard broke it by continuing.

"The fact of the matter us that your own negotiator ... Mr. Verhaegen, I believe it was ... saw Lord Gonzales up close and recognized him."

Mr. Verhaegen jumped up. He saluted Lord Gonzales, one of the most important persons in the regime of Count Kristof I.
No need for that John", Lord Gonzales said.
"Sorry mylord", John Verhaegen apologised.
"I was sent here by the count himself," Lord Luigi Gonzales explained, "and i have been granted the permission to negociate to unknow hights."I find the subsequent claim that this fellow was anything other than your right hand man unbelievable. Which would mean, Count Kristof, that you continue to lie to us."

Julian paused for only a moment before continuing: "As much as we would like to put the past behind us, General LaCroix's recitation of your misdeeds," and here Oxnard nodded slightly towards the Allemander, "Serves to remind us that any deal with your country must be backed up by more than your 'word of honor'. At this hour, as far as we are concerned, you don't have any."

There was shocked silence. It was known that nothing, nothing meant more to DeVlaamseLeeuw than honor.

"We need written guarantees. Some kind of surety would be nice, but we doubt that we'll receive anything of that sort. So for now, your word on paper - where the whole world can read it - is the best I suspect we can get."

Then Dr. Oxnard paused, and a smile crossed his lips. "But then ... perhaps ... yes, maybe there is something better than a written guarantee."

He turned to Gerhardt Küsterholz.

"Sir, your word is still meaningful. As Count Kristof is your ally, and you seem intent on protecting him even from getting spanked for sticking his hand in the cookie jar, perhaps you would be willing to guarantee his behavior in writing," said the Don smoothly.

"After all, time and again the Count has used your military might as an adjunct to his. It's always 'my ally Gerhardt Küsterholz this, my ally Gerhardt Küsterholz that, our armies from Home of the Brave, et cetera, so don't get in my way'. If you let him bully the world in your name, that should come back on you, no?

"Personally," he finished, "If you are a nation of honor as you claim to be, you are probably getting pretty annoyed at the messes your junior partner gets you in. Therefore, I ask you to curb your ward - and in doing so show the world your responsibility.

"That, or cut him off and let the rest of the world give him the beating he so richly deserves."

Hmm it is not your place to be discussing internal affairs of my region. It is our policy that when one of our members needs the militairy of the others, that they can count on it.
I see you are now critisizing the count, but only a few days ago you were on almost powerless. It is thanks to the other nations (and thanks to the count's feeling of honour to be exact) that you still have your land.
The word of the count is regarded highly in entire Home Of the Brave, and so should it be in the entire world. If the count doesn't want to sign such pacts, that is because it's a stupid concept. I don't see anyone offering me pacts because I was threatened. As i said before, this entire meeting is just a hypocrite thing and I will not sign anything here.

The count stood up again
"Mr Julian, you have a lot of talk now that we have agreed to leave your country. Still, this leaves you in no place to insult me or my nation. That's exactly why i won't sign anything, or won't give my word to not come back. It gives Harlack the right to do anything they want to any of us, without fear of retaliation. My suggestion is this: Let's start some kind of pact, in which everyone has rights and duties. This would imply this: No country will insult or attack any of the others, otherwise it's an insult/attack on all of the countries. I highly regard Ollieland, Allemand and the Pirates, and even respect Harlack Mensa for what they represent.
So the University of 's Gravenwezel, the best of De Vlaamse Leeuw and highly respected in the entire Home of the Brave, would (as i already suggested but i had no reaction on that) be honoured to start a coöperation program with Harlack Mensa.
Although I'm sure you all think we are, we aren't brutes that attack every land that looks weak. We considered this region 12 unoccupied and thought this land had good possibilities.
If you all dissagree with my suggestion of a pact, then we'll leave it at this: Me recalling but no signing of any sort.

General Stewart sensed a breakthrough.

"So in return for signing this pact, you would want a similiar "non aggression" agreement between yourself and the nations of Harlack? If this is the case and the nations of Harlack (specifically Harlack Mensa, South Harlack, West Harlack and East Harlack) we see no problem here."

We wish to remind Harlack Mensa that it is not needed for DeVlaamseLeeuw to sign any sort of pact to prevent them from attacking.
The Empire will personaly oversee the region of Greater Harlack and counter whatever threat DeVlaamseLeeuw may pose to them, but we do however feel that if they make the same mistake as before and we would not hestitate to make them see the errors of their ways.

Let me make this very clear to you count Kristof, your troops will not set foot on Harlack Mensa nor will your ships pass into her national waters lest you want to face the Empire in full-scale war.

Tantith could easily make such threats, the Empire had nothing to worry and could probably snuff out most nation's in this conference without even breaking a sweat.

that was exactly my point all along.
OOC: is it normal that my GNP almost doubled today?
General Stewart sensed a breakthrough.

"So in return for signing this pact, you would want a similiar "non aggression" agreement between yourself and the nations of Harlack? If this is the case and the nations of Harlack (specifically Harlack Mensa, South Harlack, West Harlack and East Harlack) we see no problem here."

We wish to remind Harlack Mensa that it is not needed for DeVlaamseLeeuw to sign any sort of pact to prevent them from attacking.
The Empire will personaly oversee the region of Greater Harlack and counter whatever threat DeVlaamseLeeuw may pose to them, but we do however feel that if they make the same mistake as before and we would not hestitate to make them see the errors of their ways.

Let me make this very clear to you count Kristof, your troops will not set foot on Harlack Mensa nor will your ships pass into her national waters lest you want to face the Empire in full-scale war.

Tantith could easily make such threats, the Empire had nothing to worry and could probably snuff out most nation's in this conference without even breaking a sweat.

The count smiled when he heared what Dumpsterdam had to say
"Clearly you could, and if this is the opinion of this conference, then there is no point of me being here anymore. The Commonwealths remaining forces are only 25 kilometers from the shore, and they are planned to have left Harlacks waters by 20:00 flemish time. So that's it. I wish you all a fine evening, and any nation interested in coöperation, and that is what we want to stand for, not for war, are hereby invited to come to 's Gravenwezel castle to discuss this coöperation."
And the count walked out of the room.

Major Tantith, that was not helpful! We were almost there!

well i agree to what the count said, so i'll be out too
goodbye, there is no ground for discussing anymore here.

General LaCroix turned to Gerhardt Küsterholz. "And so I suppose you're not going to do anything to restrain him, are you? If not, you have to realize that he'll get you into a war bigger than you can handle.

"If I were you, I'd tear up that blank check thing you've got going. He's too hotheaded for your good."

Then he turned to the officer from Ollieland. "I guess that brings us to the issue of a peace between the various Harlacker nations, right?"

General LaCroix turned to Gerhardt Küsterholz. "And so I suppose you're not going to do anything to restrain him, are you? If not, you have to realize that he'll get you into a war bigger than you can handle.

"If I were you, I'd tear up that blank check thing you've got going. He's too hotheaded for your good."

Then he turned to the officer from Ollieland. "I guess that brings us to the issue of a peace between the various Harlacker nations, right?"

what? What do I have to restrain him from? From leaving? He is right, and if he dies, I die too, that's because my economy lives from the import.
And what grounds for a war are there now?
I'll stay here though, seeing as there are other things to talk about.

Major Tantith, that was not helpful! We were almost there!

We are not here to make ourselves popular, we are here to make a point, we provide the leverage and other diplomats will finish up what we have started, the new conference in DeVlaamseLeeuw will allow you to easily mop the floor with any resistance the count had to offer up untill now.

I hardly see the use of talking to one so arrogant as their count, he is clearly here to get whatever he can out of his withdrawl while the only thing he should be doing is crawling in the dust, hoping that the Empire does not decide to raze both him and his pathetic country to the ground.
Now, does anyone else want to express its feelings about the Empire, since I'm sure I can convince anyone of our good intent of driving these landgrabbers from these lands.

There was no denying that he felt very disapointed, but the General had to continue.

"I suppose your right, General, that does bring us on to the next point. Peace between the Harlacker nations themselves. Do you have any contribution to make on this point, brigadier General LaCroix?"

lol he already confirmed his withdrawal hours before you came here insulting the count. You know nothing of him. Just because you are perhaps the strongest here, doesn't imply you are the leader here. In like 1 hour the commonwealth forces will be boarding. So whatever you said has no grounds, and you should learn to keep quiet when you know nothing of the situation.
So could now convince me of your good intentions...
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what? What do I have to restrain him from? From leaving? He is right, and if he dies, I die too, that's because my economy lives from the import.
And what grounds for a war are there now?
I'll stay here though, seeing as there are other things to talk about."Restrain him from getting in trouble," said the General. "Because if you have this joined-at-the-hip thing going with him, and he gets himself into another fight like this, you're going to be hurting."

"And as for your economy, I can't see how you can be that dependent on him. There are lots of people you can trade or ally yourselves with - us ($3.5 trillion GDP), Ollieland ($2.3 trillion GDP), Dumpsterdam ($79.9 trillion GDP), and many, many more. Do you really need him?" finished LaCroix

Lol since the birth of my nation after a glorious revolution, my nation and the commonwealth have been great friends, and there has devellopped a sincere trust between our 2 nations, and all other Home of the Brave nations.
We don't want to end our friendship, and for all I can see the count made an opening, which was destroyed by Dumpsterdam, which has his brains on his fists it seems.
As for trade with Allemande and Ollieland, we (and i can speak for the commonwealth as well here) would be glad to start trade relationships with your countries.

I know enough of these Belgian rebels and you are right, we are the strongest faction here but I leave most of the talking to General Stewart, I am here to provide leverage to his effort which I might say was handeled quite easily.

At the last part of the Gerhardt Kusterholzian the major crossed his hands on the wooden table.

How has what we have to say hold no ground? We are clearly making a statement that the Empire does not see the need to talk to ones clearly inferior to us. And that those people such not attempt to threaten the Empire when they are so fragile that they can be wiped off the earth by just one carrier-battle group of the Royal Navy.

*The aide of the deligate from Federated Harlack leaned in and whispered to the man for a moment. He smiled slightly and spoke to the gathered deligates.* "We would all like to see the government once again controlling all of Greater Harlack, but as of this time that is unlikely to happen, many of these nations now have one hundred years of independent history. What we propose is the establishment of the Greater Harlack Defense Force, controlled by a council of generals from all of the nations involved which will elect a commander in cheif."

hmm so far go your good intentions
I could say the same for all Harlack countries vs. me. I could kill them off with only 1 batallion as well, but that doesn't prevent me from speaking to them. And you find yourself suitable to even speak to the count in an insulting way. It's a disgrace that you are even here, seeing as the only thing YOU do is threatening, that's not what i do, and that's not what the count did today. How can anyone even think of peace when there is someone like you threatening the total destruction of the commonwealth?
Perhaps you should take a good look at yourself, and what you have become.

Incorrect, your forces would doubtly even reach Harlack but as I said, the count is considered an inferior being because he himself, is so arrogant to step to a negotiating table and expects the ones with all the aces to give them away.

Peace can be stablished, either by force of arms or by talk, in this case it was easier to force the enemy out by threats then to sit down and attempt to talk them out. Peace is what the Harlackians wanted, peace is what they got and we will continue to monitor the situation.

Now if you've had enough of bickering I'd like to turn my attention away from such trivial matters such as yourself and concentrate on the formation of a Greater Harlack Defense Force and what would be needed for such an endevour.

lol and now you're insulting me as well :-D I'm not the count, but hey, what does it matter to you huh...
well what you got to say about the Harlack unity-case? Will your opinion be the one that will count, or will in this case the real involved countries have a say?

Tantith bluntly ignored the Gerhardt Kusterholzian representative, he had costed him enough time with his funny l33tspeak and he tapped in a few things on his PDA. The first thing was a formation of a Special Forces team in Harlack, the second was a report to the DSS about the count and the third one was a report to the RWC about the current situation in Greater Harlack.

General Stewart again banged his gavel.

"Gentlemen, I think were straying off topic here. The delegate from Federated Harlack has suggested the formation of a Greater Harlack Defence Force. What say the other Harlack nations to this proposal?"

"We believe the proposal has merit," said Dr. Oxnard. "The primary issue will be how best to ensure that this force does not become an instrument for the unification of Greater Harlack by ... other means."

*The East Harlack delegate spoke up next.* "I think that's simple, each nation provides a commanding general to the form the legal commanding body of the defense force and then, as Federated Harlack stated, those generals elect a Commander in Cheif. We could place term limits on that office and dissallow officials from the same nation to be elected to the position over and over again. For instance, if an East Harlack Commander was elected for four years then all other East Harlack officials would be barred from election in the next four year cycle, and so on."

*The East Harlack delegate spoke up next.* "I think that's simple, each nation provides a commanding general to the form the legal commanding body of the defense force and then, as Federated Harlack stated, those generals elect a Commander in Cheif. We could place term limits on that office and dissallow officials from the same nation to be elected to the position over and over again. For instance, if an East Harlack Commander was elected for four years then all other East Harlack officials would be barred from election in the next four year cycle, and so on.""Mixing staffs would also help; it would make it difficult for any one nation to establish a dangerous clique in key staff positions," offered Dr. Oxnard.

"Indeed." *South Harlack confirmed.* "The GHDF will have to be quite large in size however, so how will we procure the equipment?"

"Indeed." *South Harlack confirmed.* "The GHDF will have to be quite large in size however, so how will we procure the equipment?""I recommend that each nation contribute 20% of its military resources, either in cash or kind," replied the scholar. "That will allow us to have a force immediately without having to wait for the procurement of equipment. Better equipment can then be furnished over time, as it is procured by the nations of Harlack."

He did some quick calculations, and then looked up.

"Assuming that we have Federated Harlack, East Harlack, West Harlack, South Harlack, and Harlack Mensa on board at the start, we would have $30,720,785,170.68 worth of men and material on hand for the defense of our soil. That's not great, but it's not too bad, either," he concluded.

"I would further suggest that each nation contribute to the common force according to its strength. We have no martial tradition, but could easily provide medical and logistical support, engineers, and intelligence personnel - both in the form of analyists and - because of our mastery of language, our skill in theater, and our love of athletics - rowing, climbing, marksmanship - first-rate field agents. Why, I'm sure that the young men and women of the Bull and Scones Society would be unmatched in their talent for espionage. Others among us could contribute in different ways, each according to their national talents," Dr. Oxnard offered.

OOC: I can't believe I just volunteered to create Greater Harlack's CIA - and out of a bunch of Sconesmen, no less!!!! ;)

General Stewart smiled to himself. They were finally beginning to work together...

"And we feel sure that orselves, and most likely other members of the HCPC would be willing to equip and train this new force. However, your four nations do not represent all of Greater Harlack, or even an overwhelming majority of the continent. To make this force viable, it would be necassary to recruit the other nations of Harlack."

OOC - How would I go about finding out about the "uninhabited" islands of Greater Harlack?

*OC* The islands are common knowledge, they just haven't been of interest or heard from since the civil war.

*IC*

"Indeed...there are other nations represented here, hopefully some of them will join as well. West Harlack can't provide much at the moment, but we offer up all of our Nuclear and Chemical weapons."

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"South Harlack is updating its submarine force and as we phase our old diesel submarines out we will provide those for the defense force immediatly. For now, we offer ten."

*OC* Infact, if you want to start a nation in the region as a colony, or as an independent nation you can start one on an island, just tell me which. An actual nation on the islands would be rare though, or rather small surrounded by other small nations. Whatever you want to do, let me know.

lord ryu walks in sorry im late trying to get from my air base was hell

OOC: Sorry People, it was my birthdayday and I was in Paris, just returned after getting stitches, no less. I will join in, but only to support Ollieland.

IC: General Brian Wyoming swore for what seemed like the hundreth time as his armoured Humvee finally got going again to the meeting point after having yet another puncture. He sighed inwardly. The whole journey seemed to have been a series of catastrophes, from the plane being shot-down and having to crash-land and find another, to having to go back to the Republic to recieve new orders, and finally having his convoy break down.

Finally, the convoy turned through the entrance of the meeting point and stopped. Wyoming scrambled out, composed himself and then strode into the building. He stoped, saluted and apologised for his late arrival, citing 'unavoidable delays'. He then sat down and prepared his papers, whilst listening to the debate going on.

Precis of conference so far for Lord Ryu and General Wyoming.

- After much pressure and delay, De Vlaamse leeuw forces have left Harlack. However, they have refused to guanrentee not to return.

- The other non-Harlack nations have all agreed not to send any military to Harlack unless invited to.

- Several of the Harlack nations are now making agreements on a new Greater Harlack Defence Force.

*OC* I'm looking to trim down the number of nations I control in Greater Harlack, as such I would like someone not already in Greater Harlack but with interest in the region to take control of the nations if your interested, just don't make them puppet states of external governments. The nations I'm willing to get rid of are both West and East Harlack. TG me if your interested.

OOC: Thanks Ollieland, a great synopsis.

IC: Having read the synopsis of the meting, General Wyoming stood up and cleared his throat into the microphone, giving the assembled delegates a moment to stop and hear him. Seeing the delegates turn to him, Wyoming began his speech.

'My fellow Delegates. I wish again to apologise for my absence at the beginning of the conference. However, as such, I shall cut the meaningless political drivel, and drive straight to the point. As per the agreement in this conference, the Republican forces enroute to Harlack have been rerouted to a nearby friendly country, but are ready to be deployed again, should they be needed.

The Republic supports and congratulates the efforts of Ollieland and its allies in gaining the withdrawal of all DeVlaamseleeuw forces from the region, and strongly urges DeVlaamseleeuw to give a guarantee that no more forces shall enter the Harlack region. The Republic would also like to offer the Harlackian nations military aid and training to aid in the creation of a Harlackian Defense Force to help the country as a whole

Finally Gentleman, I would advise the representative from Gerhardt Kusterholz from making threats of agression that cannot easily be enforced. I agree completely with the Dumpsterdamian representative on that point. Such an assault force would undoubtedly be destroyed before proving of any use. Surely it is better to lose a little pride than waste the lives of tens of thousands of fine men and women in a pointless and brief border-war.'

Wyoming shuffled his papers and sat down, glaring at the Gerhardt Kusterholz representative. He hoped fervently that that country would make no more trouble and retire with as much grace as it could.

*OC* I'm looking to trim down the number of nations I control in Greater Harlack, as such I would like someone not already in Greater Harlack but with interest in the region to take control of the nations if your interested, just don't make them puppet states of external governments. The nations I'm willing to get rid of are both West and East Harlack. TG me if your interested.

OOC I think I'm far too involved to play any of the Harlack nations themselves, but I would like to take over one of the uninhabited islands to set up a colony and forward military base.

*OC* Just TG me which island you want to begin exploring. You won't get the entire island at once, and may well have to fight for it, but you'll get part of the island and can expand from there.

"Here is our revision to the proposal." *West Harlack's ambassador said.* "The foreign powers willing to provide training will do so, but the Harlack Nations will provide a majority of the equipment."

Should the need be, the Empire will provide equipment aswell as instructors, meaning that Greater Harlack will recieve a discount on purchases at the Royal Tallarnian Dockyards and the purchases made from the Empire itself.

OoC: Tanks, APC's, artillery, guns, whatever you need, we have it and for a decent price.

Moribund silently stood and left the table soon after the DVL representative and his lackey departed. His disgust at their handling of a situation caused by them was obviously apparent, though he said nothing. His presence was barely noticeable during the meeting, though he did pay close attention and remained a faithful supporter of Greater Harlack. His thoughts on unification would be saved for another time, another place.

Once we know the funding of the GHDF I'm sure the leaders of the new force will be happy to purchase said equipment.

Ollieland would recommend the Portland Iron Works and the Avalon Aerospace Corporation storefronts, both run by Sarzonia. :sniper:

News Alert:

Protestors outside the West Harlack provisional government offices have grown in the past few days from a crowd of hundreds to a massive crowd of tens of thousands. The police were called in to form a barrier against any attempts to enter the building, but were not used to disrupt the crowd:

"Give us the vote!" cries protester Akira O'Bannon, before hurling another volley of eggs. "It is the right of the many to decide who leads our country, not the few! If we don't get democracy right now, we'll... we'll, uh... we'll throw more eggs, that's what we'll do! Don't say you haven't been warned!"

In the last few minutes the crowd has been seen celebrating as the provisional government announced that West Harlack's first ever elections will be held in one month.

The Republic would be more than happy to supply military aid to the creation of this taskforce in the form of military funds and equipment from the Republican military for the use by Harlackian forces.

So I believe we have solved that problem for now...what is the next item on the agenda?

The next, and last, item on the agenda, is any possible future unification of Harlack. We feel that it would be best for the Harlack nations themselves to provide the first comments on this topic.

South Harlack doesn't believe this to be possible through peaceful means, not at this time, and not likely in the forseeable future.

If that is the feelings of most of the participants here, then I would like to call an end to this conference. I would like to thank all who have taken part in these most constructive discussions and wish the Harlack nations the best for the future. Be assured that you will always have a friend an ally with the Colony of Ollieland.

OOC - When does our peacekeeping mandate run out?

*OC* Start of next week.

Feel free to TG me or post in our region if you want to do things with our nations or explore the islands. I updated the map to give you a small piece of the island you asked for, your welcome to make a colony nation there or just say there is a colony there.

Since the mandate of the peacekeeping force has expired, Allemande is withdrawing its peacekeeping forces from Greater Harlack.

The following units will remain:Neztrok: 1 Culinary Section (providing taquitos to the mad dictator of that country).
South Harlack: Logistical and deep sea salvage personnel at the Southeast Platform, which is now to be run jointly by Allemander and South Harlacker naval forces. South Harlack will remain an Allemander port of call.

Trade ties will be expanded with Neztrok and South Harlack. Scientific collaboration continues between Allemande and South Harlack in naval architecture and aerospace technology. Allemande's President will make at least one state visit to South Harlack each year, and invite its President to visit Allemande just as frequently.

Ollieland hereby wirthdraws its military units from Greater Harlack and retires in peace. The DMZ is hereby officially handed back to East and West Harlack. Our forces will be withdrawn by 12 noon sunday RL.