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In yet another move of typical mod hypocracy, I was deleted at some time between when I went to bed, (2200 EST yesterday) and when I was notified of a fellow player of this decision (1545 EST today), for a reason which remains unknown to me. I have not seen a specific post in which I was "trolling", nor was I using any racial slurs, which I had been warned for in the past.

Just to clarify. I am Kahta, I am not DOS, nor am I IP banned.

On another note, I wish to maintain all my claims, and my military, I will be RPIng permanently with my final population of 3.3 billion or so.

OOC: Hmm, yeah, why you were deated remains unclear to me as well. Maybe you should ask one of them?

IC

You have been recognised.

Nikos Karagounis

OOC: I'm not really one to say yay or nay, but I'll recognize those claims. Good to see you back in one form or another.

OoC: Despite our very limited interactions, I'll give you recognition.

In yet another move of typical mod hypocracy, I was deleted at some time between when I went to bed, (2200 EST yesterday) and when I was notified of a fellow player of this decision (1545 EST today), for a reason which remains unknown to me. I have not seen a specific post in which I was "trolling", nor was I using any racial slurs, which I had been warned for in the past.

Just to clarify. I am Kahta, I am not DOS, nor am I IP banned.

On another note, I wish to maintain all my claims, and my military, I will be RPIng permanently with my final population of 3.3 billion or so.


*sighs* that’s such a god mode on so many levels but any way , the mods dont deat people just for fun they do it because said people were doing some thing wrong ,constant flaming after a deat will get you ip banned btw so id be careful if i were you

*sighs* that’s such a god mode on so many levels but any way , the mods dont deat people just for fun they do it because said people were doing some thing wrong ,constant flaming after a deat will get you ip banned btw so id be careful if i were you

It really isn't, TFU. If the mods can't suitably explain to him why he was deated he has every right to continue RPing with his old population, government and military size.

It really isn't, TFU. If the mods can't suitably explain to him why he was deated he has every right to continue RPing with his old population, government and military size.

well that’s you , that’s not me ..I rp on a different circle ,I’m not saying you cant rp with him im just saying I consider that a god mode , and he should ask the mods why they deated him , they have to have a reason .

well that’s you , that’s not me ..I rp on a different circle ,I’m not saying you cant rp with him im just saying I consider that a god mode , and he should ask the mods why they deated him , they have to have a reason .

When he gets that explanation and accepts it above all, he would probably be obliged to RP as his new nation. But not right now.

OoC: Don't you RP with a population of 50 billion, anyway TFU? Or is that outdated.

Also, he did state that if you ignore that, he ignores you, so he probably won't mind. However, we mustn't let this decay into a flame fest.

I accept his claims

OOC: The mods explained it in the Moderator Forum, I just read it.
So, I'm going with TFU here, sorry Kahta, but you're stuck with this new nation as I won't recognise your claims.
Of course if you get an appeal and get "Kahta" back, that's a different story.

Wow. I don't care. Really.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=406840 that should explaine it all...

Gee, I have no idea why they would possibly deat you

As for the Population godmod, I don't see any reason to recognise it and I'm sure any RP you do with it will turn into a massive flame fest but then agin a lot of your RPs do. (I said a lot not all. No need to prove me wrong with links.)

Hey, thi sucks, even though we've argued a few times don't wanna see you get deleted. Good luck getting your nation back.

On another note, I wish to maintain all my claims, and my military, I will be RPIng permanently with my final population of 3.3 billion or so.

And I claim that I am indeed god and *poof* your nation exists no longer!

You can make any claim that you want...but if it's a godmod...as yours is...no one will play with you.

Unrecognized, because the DEATing was legitimate.

Not recognized

Removing prior support. Didn't realize the whole story. NOT RECOGNIZED.

[Thank God I wasn't involved in that thread.]

frankly you can really do what the hell you want on ns , that’s what some people are trying to say , but no one has to recognizes what you did or rp , as for the deat I think it was defiantly warranted , that how I feel .

OOC: Never rp'ed with you, but unrecognized. TFU is right you know: the mods don't just delete nations for fun. If you lose your nation, but then just say "This new nation is just my old nation under a new name", that isn't much of a punishment, is it? If you get appealed, and Kahta returns, however, then of course you can keep all your old stuff.

OoC: Judging by your dodging of my question, you obviously do RP with your 50 billion pop. ;)

Also, what is the point in ignoring Kahta if you never RP with him? Too many people these days fail to realise what an ignore actually is...

After reading the deat-explanation topic, I have to say it was a legitimate reason. However, I still recognise your new nation.

I must admit that TFU is right. I won't be recognizing you as Kahta with your old population and claims anytime soon. It was a legitamate DEAT.

OoC: Judging by your dodging of my question, you obviously do RP with your 50 billion pop... ;)
if that was directed at me that’s only for rps how should i say this .. that warrant it ,as in an rp that deals with space empires that rp inflated pops.

Edit: basically its for exclusive rps with nations that inflate pops

Question: Should Kahta be allowed to keep his territories on Earth RB, or should they become unclaimed territory?

if that was directed at me that’s only for rps how should i say this .. that warrant it ,as in an rp that deals with space empires that rp inflated pops.

OoC: Behold, the crazy screwed up nine-dimensional-multiverse that is TFU. :D

Question: Should Kahta be allowed to keep his territories on Earth RB, or should they become unclaimed territory?

Free them >.> <.<

Oh and... un-recognized, blah blah blah.

Question: Should Kahta be allowed to keep his territories on Earth RB, or should they become unclaimed territory?

UNCLAIMED!! Of course, that's just cause I want Indiana/Ohio back... ;)

BTW, It was a legtimate DEATand I don't recodnize it.

After reading the mod's explanation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=406840) I will not recognize your claims to continue with the old stats. Too bad, but then again, you did have it coming with all the flaming, trolling and flamebaiting...

Question: Should Kahta be allowed to keep his territories on Earth RB, or should they become unclaimed territory?

Free them >.> <.<

Oh and... un-recognized, blah blah blah.

wow a lot of double posts.. :P

OoC: Don't you RP with a population of 50 billion, anyway TFU? Or is that outdated.



Yes, he did, I remember

unclaim them

If you read my previous post's you would know i dont do it genraly.

If you read my previous post's you would know i dont do it genraly.


If I recall correctly, you agreed to ignore me on NS, MSN, and AIM. Why are you still posting here?

Sorry dude, didn't know the full strory; approval withdrawn. Still, its a fresh start; you can do anything now, more flexibility to start over. Look at the opportunities :)

people need to be infomrmed this is ooc not ic

Responses:
1. He said he shoots out windows of large SUV's as a point of "moral deceny". What was I supposed to say?
2. Yes, and? What's wrong with saying that? We took the land for better uses.
3. Most natives are hard drinkers.
4. So? What's wrong with that?
5. Yes, and I've said that before, I was stating my opinion.
6. God does hate faggots, explain it to me any other why, and I'll admit I was wrong.
7. Once again, most of them are.
8. Yes, again, truth. He had already stated he shot windows of SUVs
9. Yes, true, go to Newark, Baltimore, or Detroit.

What you're saying to me is: your opinion is not welcome here.

1. How about "What's the point in that?" or "That's just dumb". Note that neither of these are particularly insulting his character, but his actions which are dumb and can be described in that manner without directly insulting him, which would be flaming.

2. I imagine the problem there was that you were baiting him back instead of simply ignoring the off topic comments he made. Afterall, you're talking about cars, not how Native Americans don't deserve any land.

3. It was a racist genralisation which isn't true of the majority of the Native American people and it's against the rules to make such racist comments in the same way it's against the rules to state that all White Southerners in America are uneducated Rednecks, which simply isn't true and is just as racist.

4. It's clearly flaming... blanking out four letters and insulting him like that is clearly a violation of the rules. If you can't see that then I have trouble beleiving your anywhere near as smart as you claim to be.

5. Again, a generalisation, not anywhere near as blantant as #3 though. Probably comes more under "flamebait" or "trolling".
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6. Probably comes under "flamebait" or "trolling", though that explaination you gave in the post above could probably be concidered against the rules... you just don't call homosexuals "faggots" on a public forum in the same way you don't call people who are black "niggers".

7. Racist Generalisation.

8. Flaming generalisation about a poster you know nothing about.

9. Probably comes more under "flamebait" or "trolling".


Truth is, you can give your opinion in public forums so long as you do it through the rules... true freedom of speach doesn't exist in Nationstates because Max Barry has chosen to place certain rules over his own private forum in order to keep it relatively friendly, including banning the use of certain deflamitory words, phrases and actions.

Being racist isn't an automatic ban in Nationstates; you are allowed your opinion just like anyone else... providing you stick to the rules and keep it civil. If you can't keep it civil then quite frankly we don't want to hear your opinion.


(Yeah... I'll admit I'm posting this here because I missed the chance to explain it in the original thread, but I would like to think that someone who is supposed to be fairly intelligent can learn from this and understand that you can be pretty racist without being deleted for it... it just requires better use of words and to follow the rules.)

Kahta why don't you just stop antagonizing everyone and start over again. You insisting you have 3.3 billion is not going to gain you friends. People are just going to ignore you.

my $0.02

The Imperial Nation of Inkana does not reconize Caelta.

The Republican Nation of Inkana does not reconize Caelta.

W00t, go Civil Wars.

Not recognized. Had it coming.

OOC:

My beef with this is that, well, Caelta and Kahta have been designated as two separate nations- and Kahta has RPed them as such (as Sevaris, I almost went to war with Kahta over his invasion of Caelta).

I honestly don't see how, if they are two separate entitites, they can be combined like this...

OOC:I honestly don't see how, if they are two separate entitites, they can be combined like this...

Well, technically it would be puppet wanking as one puppet nation can't help out a players main nation as if any new guy could do this he would just have several nations make up for his lack of population instead of RPing around it (promoting lazy RP).

However, Kahta's last nation was deleted so it doesn't really count as puppet wanking... however many could see the transferance of Kahta's states on to this nation being a godmode as it requires him pumping up the statistics of a weaker nation to make up for his loss.

This said, a godmode is only a godmode if you try and force it on someone, if people agree to allow him to have his old population and economy then to them at least he may have that population and economy. However he can't force someone who doesn't acknowledge it to accept it...

This is why TFU's 50 Billion population is only a godmod if he forces it on another player... however if you acknowledge him enough to try and RP with him and then declare war on him then technically being the attacker and as such forcing your RP on him would mean he's allowed his population regardless of your complaints... either retract the war and ignore or deal with it.

Freeform RP is an interesting beast. Personally I don't really RP with Kahta anyways so it's not really much of a problem... if I do come into contact with him I'll RP with whatever it is at the time, not what it was. Others can look at it how they like, but I agree with the mods choice to delete his last nation.

Not recognized.

:D This whole debate about accepting the old stats is why you should create puppets early. :D

If a mod deletes my main nation, I can transfer my RPing to a puppet and still retain about 70% of my pop stats. (However, I've been getting bad issues for my puppets in terms of bringing up their economy stats as of late.) Not that I do anything that would warrant a deat, but it is an insurance policy nonetheless.

Edit: I don't accept Kahta's claims to his old pop/territory either; the billions of people are now probably, from a realistic point of view, pretty much in a state of anarchy as the racists fight a civil war with the people who resented teh indoctrination, due to the collapse of the Kahtan government.

At first I was going to give Kahta the benefit of the doubt, but then I read the thread in the Moderation forum.

He ruined a thread about cars, and to me, that's very serious. :D We car lovers should stick together, not bring each other down. :)

Not recognized - legitimate DEAT.

I side with your plight, Kahta, if only because your a fellow Massachusettsian ;).

But seriously, people alot worse than you are still walking these forums. It's sad, actually.

OOC: I didn't recognize Whittier's claims of an abnormally large population and I won't recognize yours either.

yay

Not recognised, as far as I can tell, Kahta is dead. Transferring stats onto a puppet is puppetwanking, and is a grevious enough offensive in it's own.

To adapt a quote from The SLAGlands, Kahta you're dead. Stay in character.

No way. I read the thread in the mod forum. No way.

Having read the reason for your deletion I see it as justifiable. It also disgusts me. Do not talk to me in future. It is a good job I never knew you in the first place. Farewell.

'Bout damn time. Not recognized.

I'm not reconising you, you can f*** off and leave for all I care. How you can say that those things where NOT racist slurs I don't know.

Siding with the rest of NS here, not recognized due to legal DEAT.

Hell no, legal deat.

Anyone who can hold the view that the Native Americans were righteously murdered and their land raped and brutalized over their blood, and that they do not deserve recognition or their own nation, deserves to go out and see the plight of the Native Americans for themselves. I bet they'd be alcoholic too.

Not Recognised.

Not recognized. You can't force people to RP with you.

No way I'm recognising something like that. You were DEATED for a legitimate reason, and as such, your proposal is god-moding. I will not recognise your claims.

Well, technically it would be puppet wanking as one puppet nation can't help out a players main nation as if any new guy could do this he would just have several nations make up for his lack of population instead of RPing around it (promoting lazy RP).

However, Kahta's last nation was deleted so it doesn't really count as puppet wanking... however many could see the transferance of Kahta's states on to this nation being a godmode as it requires him pumping up the statistics of a weaker nation to make up for his loss.

This said, a godmode is only a godmode if you try and force it on someone, if people agree to allow him to have his old population and economy then to them at least he may have that population and economy. However he can't force someone who doesn't acknowledge it to accept it...

This is why TFU's 50 Billion population is only a godmod if he forces it on another player... however if you acknowledge him enough to try and RP with him and then declare war on him then technically being the attacker and as such forcing your RP on him would mean he's allowed his population regardless of your complaints... either retract the war and ignore or deal with it.

Freeform RP is an interesting beast. Personally I don't really RP with Kahta anyways so it's not really much of a problem... if I do come into contact with him I'll RP with whatever it is at the time, not what it was. Others can look at it how they like, but I agree with the mods choice to delete his last nation.



There’s another story to that 50 billion people . but your right I cant force any one to accept it , thus I only use it for some exclusive rps that need an inflated pop for the story.

Any way I believe Kahtas deat ,was because of his own stupidity , and racist remarks. My personal belief like I’ve stated before is he deserved it so tough .

It was justified, so no I won't recognise, though I am seldom in II.

Well Kahta is gone and we could say peace to the world that is nationstates.

Except for the 280,000 other wars going on right now without Kahta's involvement, yes, I guess you could say we're in a peaceful state now. :rolleyes:

280,000 vs 281,000; I'll take the 280,000 anyday (particularly when the 1 I'm getting rid of is the one where I have to fight an ungodly 50 billion angry, possibly brainwashed conscripts who won't die and have lots of good equipment.)

OOC: I didn't recognize Whittier's claims of an abnormally large population and I won't recognize yours either.
At least you are consistent.
I rp with the old whit's population depending on the circumstance.
Despite the reason for the deat, I recognize Khata's old population.
That is of course, if he recognizes mine which is about 3.293 billion.

come to think of it, you should have just avoided general.

At least you are consistent.
I rp with the old whit's population depending on the circumstance.
Despite the reason for the deat, I recognize Khata's old population.
That is of course, if he recognizes mine which is about 3.293 billion.

Meh, my non-recognition doesn't really matter since you and I don't RP together, but it's the principle of the thing.

Meh, my non-recognition doesn't really matter since you and I don't RP together, but it's the principle of the thing.
true. I believe our rps are different. Though, I must admit I haven't been using these stats lately.

true. I believe our rps are different. Though, I must admit I haven't been using these stats lately.

Havn't you been around long enough that your population is close to where it was, anyways?

Not recognized. You got DEATed for a good reason, and now you must serve your punishment. It wouldn't be fair for you to get of easy :rolleyes:

OOC: It was a fair deletion, and so I will not accept your claims. I do, however, recognise Caelta as a 10 million pop (or whatever) nation. Perhaps you should try to get a puppet from someone?

As a favor to your previous RPing ability, I'm willing to lend you one of my 3+ billion puppets. If you want them, TG me.

As a favor to your previous RPing ability, I'm willing to lend you one of my 3+ billion puppets. If you want them, TG me.Not a good idea. If he gets a DOS, it'll reflect on you.

As a favor to your previous RPing ability, I'm willing to lend you one of my 3+ billion puppets. If you want them, TG me.
Wow, you really must have thought Kahta was an excellent RPer to give him a 3bn nation.

In yet another move of typical mod hypocracy, I was deleted at some time between when I went to bed, (2200 EST yesterday) and when I was notified of a fellow player of this decision (1545 EST today), for a reason which remains unknown to me. I have not seen a specific post in which I was "trolling", nor was I using any racial slurs, which I had been warned for in the past.

Just to clarify. I am Kahta, I am not DOS, nor am I IP banned.

On another note, I wish to maintain all my claims, and my military, I will be RPIng permanently with my final population of 3.3 billion or so.


You know...may'be you could roleplay a reason for why your population suddenly dipped? Wait, what the hell am I saying? This is International Incidents. Yeah, I guess what you're doing sounds just about right for this forum...

Anyway. Since you were in fact deleted, Im thinking the reason behind it was probaby you being some kind of a nard or may'be even a diptard.

OOC:
No one can be 100% white. 99.9% of the people who live in the United States have several ethnic groups in them. And i'm sorry but i though Kahta was a nice guy, but with reading all the racist biggotry that he spewed out by reading the MOD's thread, it sickens me.

Heh, I remember when I RPd with Kahta...my 1,000+ posts were met by two paragraphs..but at least Kahta get's the point accross unlike other RPers.

Meh, I think everyone has the right to their own opinion and the right to express it, and that's what Kahta did. What's the difference between a liberal extremist and a right-wing Christian extremist? None at all - only liberals are much more accepted in our society... however, I do believe that Kahta could use another choice of words when explaining his/her opinions.

For example, instead of saying, "God hates faggots" you could say something along the lines of,"According to my theological teachings the Christian religion does not support gays and in fact gays have no real place within Christian society." See, one sounds like flamebait, the other one sounds semi-learned.

Heh, I remember when I RPd with Kahta...my 1,000+ posts were met by two paragraphs..but at least Kahta get's the point accross unlike other RPers.

Meh, I think everyone has the right to their own opinion and the right to express it, and that's what Kahta did. What's the difference between a liberal extremist and a right-wing Christian extremist? None at all - only liberals are much more accepted in our society... however, I do believe that Kahta could use another choice of words when explaining his/her opinions.

For example, instead of saying, "God hates faggots" you could say something along the lines of,"According to my theological teachings the Christian religion does not support gays and in fact gays have no real place within Christian society." See, one sounds like flamebait, the other one sounds semi-learned.

I agree.

He shoulda said something along the lines of, "I do not really care much for the Native Americans due to the fact that we rightfully defeated them and took their lands. This, unfortunatly, lead many of them to be heavy drinkers even to this day, so they have yet to earn my respect."

It still sounds un-kind, but it's better than what he had.

I say it's a conspirocy to rule the world that's why you never see a moderator in the open there all mindless slaves to max berry's evil plan :eek:

I say it's a conspirocy to rule the world that's why you never see a moderator in the open there all mindless slaves to max berry's evil plan :eek:

Meh, Max Berry has no evil plan. I direct this entire forum. Beware. :mp5:

Meh, I think everyone has the right to their own opinion and the right to express it, and that's what Kahta did.

He wasn't deleted for expressing his opinion, he was deleted for breaking the rules. I don't see how anyone could see it otherwise but it's been covered rather extensively that directly flaming other posters is against the rules. Yet here we are with another thread bitching about how a player is being deleted for expessing their opinion when in fact it has been well covered by the moderators that he was deleted for flamebaiting, trolling, making racist statements about at least two other ethnicities and directly flaming two other posters. In a thread about cars.

Granted that other posters were also flamebaiting, though it doesn't change the fact that he broke the rules.

If people really want to express their extremist opinions they can, providing they do so in a civil manner which is suiting of a forum designed for ages 13 and upwards. Thousands of other posters manage this every day with their own opinions. Hundreds of left wing, right wing and politically neutral players have been deleted because they failed to follow the rules... of course, it would seem most people would rather beleive the mods are against them then the possibility that calling someone a "fa--ot" (regardless of letters removed) is acceptable behavior in a forum.

As for his RP claims, thats up to others to either ignore or accept... it would seem that seeing as he incists on having his deleted population there will probably be a fair few people ignoring and some people accepting just because they want to keep RPing with him, eitherway its their choice. Personally I think I'll give it a miss, I'm happy with the way Noitan Teppup is going on its own.

meh, I guess our RP is done then. O well, it was looking to come out nice to.

I say we join my allience for um....sorrow think of it as an offer to cheer you all up

BREAKING THE RULES?!?

That would make him a Crime....inal.... a Criminal!

A Criminal that hates cars of a different colour and model type! THE MONSTER!

Aust: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8520730&postcount=4

The DEAT is fairly legitimate. I will recognize what you want for the time being though, until I decide otherwise, like if you get deated again.