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The Argos


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The Argos is a Battleship meant to counter the increasing threats of other large capital ships. Improving on the most imposing ship, the Doujin, we here at New Groton Industries feel we have reset the bar on capital ships.

Whole Ship Stats
Length: 2230 feet (680 meters)
Beam: 840 feet (256 meters)
Side Hull Stats
Length: 1302 feet (397 meters)
Width: 168 feet (51 meters)
Armaments of the Argos:
20 Guided Missile Launching System
12 24 Inch ETC’s
20 5 Inch Guns
84 25mm Ball Turrets (CIWS)
12 64 Cell VLS Systems
32 RIM-116 RAM Launcher Systems
5 Vertical Guns for Advanced Ships (VGAS)
52 MK 141 Launchers

Compartmentation
The Argos uses compartmentation to protect it self from hazards such as fire and direct hits. Between every compartment is 4 inches of tungsten triangle grating. Covering this is 2 inches of steel plating. This is painted by a flame retardant mixture. Each of the compartments are water tight.
Hull
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Propulsion
The Argos has a total of six propellers. Two, the larger ones, are on the middle hull, and two are on each of the outer hulls.
Aircraft
The Argos is capable of carrying a total of 12 VTOL aircraft in its hanger. This is to counter any long range bomber threats.
Power Plant
Five Pressurized Water Reactors power the Argos. This provides over 6,000 Megawatts of power.
Cost for each: 115 Billion

The Incorporation will be building two of these ships, and may be producing more in the future.

Note: The Argos is not for sale as of now. They will be availible soon.

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(OOC: How can you steer that? How can you properly distribute the weight? :o)

(OOC: How can you steer that? How can you properly distribute the weight? :o)
There are six engines, two in each hull. The center hull has the biggest propellers. The side ones have smaller ones. It could turn completly around quite easily, simply by putting one side in reverse and the other forward.

Nova Roma will soon be looking to purchase at least one of these mighty behemoths in the near future. Please, keep us updated on the progress of this warship and when it will become available for purchase.

:Qvaestor Alonivs Patricvs
;Nova Roma

We would like to assure Nova Roma that a few will be availible in the future, after a rigerous testing period.
New Groton Industries Official Statement

OOC:One good hit with a 'Falling Star' would take her right out.

OOC:One good hit with a 'Falling Star' would take her right out.
OOC: Whats that? If it's an orbital system, I don't RP with those. Seems a little FT to me.

We would like to express our intrest in such a ship. We will await further details and desire to procure one of these ships for our fleet.

ViZion requests the ability to test one or two of these supposidly grand ships. Once they are finally completed after testing, we will reassess our interest in purchasing these ships.

Thank you,

General Shoupac

OOC:Falling Star is a kamikaze sattelite... Completely MT.

I thought argos was a shop? :x

OOC: hey, arent kamikazee satelites too expensive, i think i remember one from back when i was a total nOOb, and it was too expensive for use against battleships at least, if not cities.
Oh, and one torp each up the left three props and it's a sitting duck, much too easy to kill.

OOC:How old was your nation when you used them? I have a multi-trillion defense budget and its nothing more than a sattelite filled with semtex and shielded for re-entry. The only electronics are for maeuvering and targetting. Pretty inexpensive(the project was only a couple dozen billion dollars).

I thought argos was a shop? :x

ooc: Actually Argos is a Greek word meaning literally 'House of Treasures', and the plains of Argos is a place located in mythology at macanei [sic].

OOC: i was about 2 months, and with a basket case economy, so i didnt have the money, i s'pose you have. It was the lifting it to orbit that was the problem, bit of a bu**er if you'r launch craft fails part way up, it'll probably kill a lot of people by landing in the wrong place. cont really remember why it was a bad plan, thought it was the cost but maybee not. oh well. must remeber not to get in a war w/ you...

OOC:How old was your nation when you used them? I have a multi-trillion defense budget and its nothing more than a sattelite filled with semtex and shielded for re-entry. The only electronics are for maeuvering and targetting. Pretty inexpensive(the project was only a couple dozen billion dollars).
OOC: Another word for this is a "missile" and they are used quite widly. In all seriousness... what you're proposing is basically just an ICBM, and would likely get you nuked.

Not exactly. With a ICBM you have to throw up a missile into a ballistic tragectory. This results in CEP and loss of accuracy. The 'Falling Star' follows the prinicple of a guided bomb... A big, powerful, and extremely fast moving guided bomb.

Not exactly. With a ICBM you have to throw up a missile into a ballistic tragectory. This results in CEP and loss of accuracy. The 'Falling Star' follows the prinicple of a guided bomb... A big, powerful, and extremely fast moving guided bomb.
Your "sattelite" goes up into speace via rocket with some kind of warhead attached, then drops down unpowered onto something else... sounds to me like it's an ICBM following a ballistic trajectory just renamed.

That does seem like simply an ICBM launched from an orbit - seems pretty pointless and expensive when you could just use ICBM's anyway as a lauch and attack system. Anyway, wouldn't these satellites be easy to knock out from orbit?

The Incorporation will gladly allow the nation of ViZion to test an Argos. This third Argos will be completed in 1 NS year.
New Groton Industries

No more comments about that sattilite thingy please. This is about this ship, not that.

The Argos was the ship used by Jason and the Argonauts, who hailed from, guess where, Argos.

About hitting the propeller with a torpedo, come on! A submarine wouldn't be able to get withen range, provided you have some VLS tubes fitted with ASROC. Plus, there is a reason there are six propellers, and not three.

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I may do a testing RP, like pitting it against other ships, so if you are interested, post here.

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OOC: Whats that? If it's an orbital system, I don't RP with those. Seems a little FT to me.
OOC:Hehehe, I kinda made him not like to RP with orbital weapons, didn't I, Ram?

that ship could be blown up easily by a nuke or a big rocket (and a rocket would cost less, need's less of a crew and won't cost as much upkeep :) )

OOC:Hehehe, I kinda made him not like to RP with orbital weapons, didn't I, Ram?
OOC: Yeah, you sure did.......

A big rocket eh? How would that get past the 84 CIWS Ball turrets?

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OOC: Yeah, you sure did.......

A big rocket eh? How would that get past the 84 CIWS Ball turrets?

OOC:
Bigass kinetic-kill missile - similar to a deorbiting satalite; you'll probally have a solid, sturdy chunk of something hard and fairly heavy for a warhead, and it'll be well into the ballistic phase by the time it enters CIWS range(not to mention probally going stupidly fast) so there probally won't be a whole lot you can do about it.

Alternatibly, give your missiles an intigrated decoy system, or launch dedicated decoy missiles - chaff'd play merry hell with your targeting radar. Or just launch alot of missiles - maybe use something like thermite or white phospherous in some of the warheads.

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Bigass kinetic-kill missile - similar to a deorbiting satalite; you'll probally have a solid, sturdy chunk of something hard and fairly heavy for a warhead, and it'll be well into the ballistic phase by the time it enters CIWS range(not to mention probally going stupidly fast) so there probally won't be a whole lot you can do about it.

Alternatibly, give your missiles an intigrated decoy system, or launch dedicated decoy missiles - chaff'd play merry hell with your targeting radar. Or just launch alot of missiles - maybe use something like thermite or white phospherous in some of the warheads.
OOC: Of course not. Not much can stop a kinetic-kill missle. Of course, you always could put something in the VLS cells that could take it out. Plus there are the RIM-RAM launchers. There are a whole bunch of defense systems.

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OOC: you might as well use that sat, it'll be up a long time beforehand and a lot cheaper than bombarding it with normal launch kinetics. back to the sub thing, i could drift one under you any time you're moving, you'll never see (or hear) me coming, and after you lose those props i'll just sit straight under you and use vertical-launch weaponry to kill you, job done. even if you get that sub, you won't have any way to get the big sod home again unless you waste 4-5 escorts as tugs. and you'll be repairing it for ages too.

Cost for me = 3 torps, minor risk to one sub
cost for you = one battleship out of commission for the next few months and posssibly sunk. ;)

i could drift one under you any time you're moving, you'll never see (or hear) me coming
OOC: Not really possible, especially if the thing is surrounded by escorts pinging active sonar.

OOC: Not really possible, especially if the thing is surrounded by escorts pinging active sonar.
OOC: Thats what I was thinking. Besides, there is always a risk with a large ship. That is why you have escorts. I just tried to make this ship so it wouldn't have to have as many as most others.

ooc: heard of anechoic plating? (not sure of the spelling)
i find some medium depth water, sit on the sea-bed, wait for you to cross, and sink you.
:upyours:
me = laughing
you = -1 battleship

OOC: That is a flaw of every battleship. Besides, whats to say I don't use counter measures for the torpedo, zero in on your location, and use a couple nuclear depth charges?

ooc: heard of anechoic plating? (not sure of the spelling)
i find some medium depth water, sit on the sea-bed, wait for you to cross, and sink you.

M'yes, they are used by the Royal navy, among others, and are claimed to reduce sonar return by 400%. This does not, however, make a sub undetectable and although I would probably accept the odd torpedoing of a picket-ship without you being detecting, going straight through 2 or 3 layers of ASW protection and then getting underneath a fleet command ship is extremely unlikely and pushing it a lot.

:upyours:
Me = Considering reporting you to the mods.

OOC: note, it will be sitting on the sea floor while it's at it, so it'll just look like a bit of rock, job done. also, i wouldnt use torps in that situation, i'll hit you with VLS weapons configured to hit surface shipping.
nuke depth charges will sink you as well as holing me and if the mods dont want me using the smilies, they can disable them.

OOC: A rock with a reactor in it?

Shut it down and run on batteries. not much power needed just to sit there and listen to your active sonar giving your position away

OOC: Yeah, because a 600 meter ship isn't visible at all, so I would have to worry about giving my position away. :rolleyes:

OOC: note, it will be sitting on the sea floor while it's at it, so it'll just look like a bit of rock, job done. also, i wouldnt use torps in that situation, i'll hit you with VLS weapons configured to hit surface shipping.
nuke depth charges will sink you as well as holing me and if the mods dont want me using the smilies, they can disable them.
Actually a submarine will give off a different sonar signature to rock, and there is no way that you will know which direction this is coming from to be certain of dropping your sub underneath it.

Oh, and the mods dont disable typing because they dont want you to flame. You can continue to post offensive material, but you run the risk of a warning. I have been nothing but civil towards you, and I expect the same courtesy.

Me = Considering reporting you to the mods.I've already done so.

I've already done so.
It's not that major... I was really just saying if he kept being rude / flaming or whatever.

It's not that major... I was really just saying if he kept being rude / flaming or whatever.Under the circumstances, I have zero tolerance for that kind of behaviour.

((I'm afraid that, if I was still doing MT, my Feazanthia-class would own that thing out of the water. The Feazanthia was designed specifically to counter other large battleships, specifically the Doujin and Doujin knockoffs.))

((I'm afraid that, if I was still doing MT, my Feazanthia-class would own that thing out of the water. The Feazanthia was designed specifically to counter other large battleships, specifically the Doujin and Doujin knockoffs.))
OOC: Can I see the specs?

It is rather underarmed for an SD, especially gunwise.

Think so? Thats what I was recommended in some lost thread. I think I even upped it from that. What would you say I add?

I wouldn't mind a RP test wanna fight 4 Kombayn Nikoladze Class Battleship that's about the same cost as one of them I will be back online in about an hour then we can start a very quick battle :p

I wouldn't mind a RP test wanna fight 4 Kombayn Nikoladze Class Battleship that's about the same cost as one of them I will be back online in about an hour then we can start a very quick battle :p
It wouldn't be until about a week from now. ViZion said he might help out, he's in New York until Sunday.

Think so? Thats what I was recommended in some lost thread. I think I even upped it from that. What would you say I add?

I say you stick the biggest gun you can on it that is kinda the idea when your fighting something big

It wouldn't be until about a week from now. ViZion said he might help out, he's in New York until Sunday.

tele me when it's done id love to see it beat a few battleship's I might even buy some!

here's the page with spec for Kombayn Nikoladze Class Battleship (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=342474) he he just a bit of advertising ;)

I say you stick the biggest gun you can on it that is kinda the idea when your fighting something big
I have the biggest gun on it. Anything over 20" I was told was a godmod. I really need to find that thread.

OOC: In the past, the maximum size that would be accepted would be 30" because anything beyond that sees a decline in accuracy, barrel life, range, etc. Lately, however, most SD builders are going to 24" and 25" mounts and nothing beyond that.

The largest mount I'll be building on my storefront will be the 25" gun. I might keep the 30 inchers on the Freedom-class ships I build for the ISN, but I'll wait and see on that.

OOC: I think I'll just make it 24" and leave it at that.

I would consider more deadly shell's e.g. nuclear, very powerful acid

This is just basic. I can pick and choose what shells, missles, and the like to use.

is there a chance you could also make this able to carry troop's and equitment

It would probally be crammed with amunition for the VLS cells anyways. Plus, you don't want to put all your eggs in one basket. That's what support craft are for.

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tele me when it's done id love to see it beat a few battleship's I might even buy some!

here's the page with spec for Kombayn Nikoladze Class Battleship (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=342474) he he just a bit of advertising ;)
That's a normal battleship, not an SD. It also appears to be a slightly modified Iowa and it's way too cheap. It should be $1 - $2bn

Nueve Italia will be keeping track of this ships progress, and may be interested in purchasing some once they become liscensed for sale.

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would you like to join our alliance we got a storefront discount of 50%!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=407371

I think the NWO, WTO, and CFA are enough alliances for now. No offense.

I think the NWO, WTO, and CFA are enough alliances for now. No offense.


ooc: no problem but can we be friends (offers handshake)?

(tell a friend)

OOC:
Sure
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