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Here is a general idea of a superlaser that I've been toying with for quite some time, at least since... well, 6th grade when I was writing my Sci-Fi english class assignments for my teachers. Anyways, here is the general idea and a picture of the aftermath explosions.

The IMPLODING NOVONIC RAY

The Imploading Novonic Ray, or more comonly known as the INR, is a super weapon exclusive to the HGE. A giant object, a mobil spacestation or a mothership, carries this destructive beam. With four points in the shape of a circle, electricity emmits from the tips and is activated through a hole within the center and is shot at any target. Preferably a planet or a star and a blast radius from a minimum distance of 5,913,520,000 kilometers up to a maximum of 1.5 light years, destroying everything within it’s path. There is no chance of recovery.

The Process :

1 Charge of INR takes aproxamitly one hour.

2 Beam fires at target.

3 The target successfully implodes upon itself, destroying everything on the target.

4 The target reaches the maximum diamiter (.01 µm (mircometers)), and is sustained for about thirty seconds. Then the matter becomes unstable, then it explodes, or more scientificly speaking, it goes “nova.” The total shock waves come out in three spheres.

5 First sphere is aproxamitly 150 million km killometers (distance from sun to earth)

6 Second is 5,914,520,000 kilometers(distance from sun to pluto)

7 The third and final sphere reaches at a maximum length of 1.5 lightyears.

Here is the problem. Though as powerful as this weapon is, it has two essential drawbacks. The first being that the INR effects everything within the three spheres. Then the second drawback is that it takes up to one hour to charge. The cannon is HUGE, not to mention all of the energy that it would take up to just maintain the gun without even charging it.

The Implosion
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/img/space/hypernova.jpg

The Explosions
http://www.geocities.com/ryanilahi/HubblePix-01.jpg

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OOC: interesting... what do you suppose would happen if this weapon were used on an already super dense object (like say a black hole)? [Has evil ideas :D ]

OOC: interesting... what do you suppose would happen if this weapon were used on an already super dense object (like say a black hole)? [Has evil ideas :D ]
That could be very, very bad.

Considering my empire is made up of mostly Sith-like people, it would be typical. But, black hole's aren't solid are they?

EDIT:

Cosidering my empire is in a midst of a Revolution; I'm thinking that when, and if, I creat it I'll use it as a demonstration on a captured rebel leader and demonstrate it's power on her home system...

5 First sphere is aproxamitly 12,756 killometers (distance from sun to earth

Umm, the distance from the earth to the Sun is 150 million km. What you posted is the diameter of the Earth.

But, black hole's aren't solid are they?
OOC: well, they are extremely dense collections of matter, I would think it would be solidish (kindof like concentrated plasma, think a compressed star, if this weapon works on stars it could work on a black hole). If your weapon works the way you describe it I think this would cause quite the bang... :D

OOC: well, they are extremely dense collections of matter, I would think it would be solidish (kindof like concentrated plasma, think a compressed star, if this weapon works on stars it could work on a black hole). If your weapon works the way you describe it I think this would cause quite the bang... :D

If you could compress a black-hole to an even smaller state it would not release any energy. Considering that light can't escape, and that light is energy, you would just get a smaller black hole.

I'm sorry, how in the hell is this weapon supposed to have a blast radius in the light year range? It would take more than a year for the wave to reach its maximum explosion radius. The blast wave would run out of energy long before then.

Come to think of it, I'm not clear on how this thing works. How does it induce stars to go nova?

And finally, you may want to eliminate the 'can't be blocked' aspect of it, because that is getting dangerously close to godmoding, IMO.

Black holes basicly consist of two 'parts':

1)The event horizon; this is the point at which gravity becomes so strong that nothing can escape. It is not an actual 'thing', but rather just the point in the black hole's gravitational feild where the force gradiant becomes steep enough to suck in light.

2) The singularity: this is where all the matter is. It is also a single, non-dimentional point, with zero volume and infinite density.

Hence, you can't implode a black hole.


And finally, you may want to eliminate the 'can't be blocked' aspect of it, because that is getting dangerously close to godmoding, IMO.


Actually, most folks will call anything that's insta-kill a godmod.. because, well, unless it's an OOCly agreed-upon plot-device, it is.

(OOC: I just read above that your ships are coated in something that makes it possible for them to go into the sun? Oh, and you have yet to edit your incorrect distance measurment for distance from Earth to Sun.)

I'm sorry, how in the hell is this weapon supposed to have a blast radius in the light year range? It would take more than a year for the wave to reach its maximum explosion radius. The blast wave would run out of energy long before then.

Technically, you're right. It would run out of it's destructive energy by the time it reaches 1 light year. I suppose that it could still stay so that ships who receive the remnents of the blast would know something terrible has happened in a nearby system. After all, this is a terror weapon.

Come to think of it, I'm not clear on how this thing works. How does it induce stars to go nova?

This is from what I know about stars and the like (so please correct me if I'm wrong):

When a star goes nova, it typically means it has run out of atoms to complete the fission process (Breaking the atoms down to hydrogen).
Well, this weapon "Helps" speed up the process very rapidly. Depending the size, the star would either collapse on itself and create a black hole, or it would explode, creating a Nova sometimes a Super Nova.

The imploding part for the laser I'm honestly not sure how it would work.
All I know is that the star couldn't hold itself together due to so much pressure so it explodes with a huge amount of energy. Hence the "Imploding Novonic" part.


Actually, most folks will call anything that's insta-kill a godmod.. because, well, unless it's an OOCly agreed-upon plot-device, it is.

I'll give you that. The INR is suppose to be a plot-device for Huntaer (me) which is supose to be an intimidation for the Huntarian Alliance (also me) who are waging a rebellion. Huntaer is my evil "Sith-like" nation and Huntarian Alliances is the good guy "Jedi-like" nation.

(OOC: I just read above that your ships are coated in something that makes it possible for them to go into the sun? Oh, and you have yet to edit your incorrect distance measurment for distance from Earth to Sun.)

Thanks for the reminder.

And thank you Xess for correcting my measurements.

I'm sorry, how in the hell is this weapon supposed to have a blast radius in the light year range? It would take more than a year for the wave to reach its maximum explosion radius. The blast wave would run out of energy long before then.

Come to think of it, I'm not clear on how this thing works. How does it induce stars to go nova?

And finally, you may want to eliminate the 'can't be blocked' aspect of it, because that is getting dangerously close to godmoding, IMO.

And how do your weapons work, come on give me the exact science. This is sci fi CF, not quantum mechanics, it’s freeform and I think the weapon is an interesting idea.

And he never said it was an instant blast wave.

Once again great Emphasis on the Sci Fi part, most of what we have is unrealistic and godmoding.

And how do your weapons work, come on give me the exact science. This is sci fi CF, not quantum mechanics, it’s freeform and I think the weapon is an interesting idea.

Once again great Emphasis on the Sci Fi part, most of what we have is unrealistic and godmoding.

Another good point. As most of us know (I'm just repeating you Sith)
Sci-Fi is techically GODMODING in general.

I hope the post I gave to CF somewhat helped clarify how the thing works.

(OOC: You'll have to explain this whole "can withstand the pressure and heat of our sun without 'breaking a sweat'" business. I just think that even in Sci-fi, for all intents and purposes of RPing reasonably, is slightly godmoddish. No normal ship weapon would be effective if that were the case. And you'll also want to edit that part about scientifically speaking "nova" part. Stars go nova, not every bit of matter.)

The whole "Without Breaking a Sweat" part was actually a error on my part. When I typed this, it was before I even knew about nationstates so I didn't take any sort of realism into acount.

This is from what I know about stars and the like (so please correct me if I'm wrong):

When a star goes nova, it typically means it has run out of atoms to complete the fission process (Breaking the atoms down to hydrogen).
Well, this weapon "Helps" speed up the process very rapidly. Depending the size, the star would either collapse on itself and create a black hole, or it would explode, creating a Nova sometimes a Super Nova.

The imploding part for the laser I'm honestly not sure how it would work.
All I know is that the star couldn't hold itself together due to so much pressure so it explodes with a huge amount of energy. Hence the "Imploding Novonic" part.


Stars go nova when the outward pressure of the star's constituent matter becomes somewhat greater than the star's gravitational pull, causing the star to inflate to several thousand times its size.

Big stars go supernova when the fusion process (not fission) has hit the point at which the star is fusing everything into Iron. The unfortunate side of iron is that it is a very stable element, and fusing it would actually COST energy, rather than generate it. As a result of this conundrum, the star undergoes what can only be termed as a catastrophic chain reaction in which the gravitational power of the star goes freakin' NUTS ('n stuff), a goodly portion of the star's matter gets ejected into space, and the star becomes so hot that it fuses matter into the elements up to and including Uranium and trace amounts of higher stuff.

The remnants of this explosion are either a neutron star/pulsar or Black Hole, depending on the size of the star.

Now, my main (and only) beef with this weapon would be that... well... the beam wouldn't be able to penetrate that far, it would be disrupted long before it actually hit the core. I would simply say that if ya want a terror weapon, just stick with planet-killers. Better yet, just planetary siege vessels would be better. Despite one's connection to 'The Dark Side', whiping out an entire star system just to bag a few insurgents ain't intimidation, its psychosis. And poor planning, too. What's the use of conquering a system if there's no system left to conquer?

But that's just me.

Stars go nova when the outward pressure of the star's constituent matter becomes somewhat greater than the star's gravitational pull, causing the star to inflate to several thousand times its size.

Big stars go supernova when the fusion process (not fission) has hit the point at which the star is fusing everything into Iron. The unfortunate side of iron is that it is a very stable element, and fusing it would actually COST energy, rather than generate it. As a result of this conundrum, the star undergoes what can only be termed as a catastrophic chain reaction in which the gravitational power of the star goes freakin' NUTS ('n stuff), a goodly portion of the star's matter gets ejected into space, and the star becomes so hot that it fuses matter into the elements up to and including Uranium and trace amounts of higher stuff.

The remnants of this explosion are either a neutron star/pulsar or Black Hole, depending on the size of the star.

Now, my main (and only) beef with this weapon would be that... well... the beam wouldn't be able to penetrate that far, it would be disrupted long before it actually hit the core. I would simply say that if ya want a terror weapon, just stick with planet-killers. Better yet, just planetary siege vessels would be better. Despite one's connection to 'The Dark Side', whiping out an entire star system just to bag a few insurgents ain't intimidation, its psychosis. And poor planning, too. What's the use of conquering a system if there's no system left to conquer?

But that's just me.

If I stick with just planet killers, I'm already bad enough then. Who wants to mess with a guy who can destroy an entire planet with the Force?

And I'm not making this up. In KOTOR 2, one of the Dark Lords of the Sith (Nihilus) has the power to destroy a planet but with an essential flaw;
He has to feed every now and then on a force-sencitive planet. If he feed on a planet (such as earth lets say) he would only use up his energy and make him weaker. He's also a wuss when it comes to lightsaber fighting.

That is how I intend one of my characters to be like.

I may just scratch the whole INR idea just from this force power.

Been playing KOTOR myself, so yeah, I know about that bit.

And how do your weapons work, come on give me the exact science.

I merely asked for an explanation of how this weapon would destroy a star, I didn't ask for any major discussion of the physics involved. But to indulge you;

The exact science for my railguns: A small hunk of metal propelled by extremely powerful electromagnetic launch rails. Specifically, the rails, when active will repel the slug and accelerate it out of the barrel, with the slug gaining more speed for each electromagnetic ring it passes through.

Now how does that electromagnetic repulsion work? Simple. Think of a magnet, how it repels similarly charged poles. Now expand that magnet's power by a few billion times.

This is sci fi CF, not quantum mechanics, it’s freeform and I think the weapon is an interesting idea.

I think it's an interesting, although dangerously near godmoding idea. I never said that it wasn't. What I questioned was the stupidly large blast radius and idea that it couldn't be blocked. The query about how it induces novas was just an intellectual curiousity on my part.

And he never said it was an instant blast wave.

No, he said it had a blast wave of a bit more than a light year. And since even a blast wave moving at c would take a year to cross a lightyear, I thought it prudent to ask him if he actually expects it to affect a lightyear radius within a reasonable timeframe.

The exact science for my railguns: A small hunk of metal propelled by extremely powerful electromagnetic launch rails. Specifically, the rails, when active will repel the slug and accelerate it out of the barrel, with the slug gaining more speed for each electromagnetic ring it passes through.

That sounds more like a combo railgun/coil gun. And railguns depend on a connection between the two rails for electric current. The current is in opposite directions in each rail and this forms a magnetic field which accelerates the connector.

That sounds more like a combo railgun/coil gun. And railguns depend on a connection between the two rails for electric current. The current is in opposite directions in each rail and this forms a magnetic field which accelerates the connector.

I see. Thanks, I've never been too clear on the difference between rail/coil guns. Of course, I'll still call them railguns because that is the common term for them amongst my troops ICly (Similar to how a 'rifle' has mutated from a gun with a rifled barrel to any type of long arm in general. ;))

(Also note that it was Me, Central Facehuggeria who said that, not Kyanges. :p)

I see. Thanks, I've never been too clear on the difference between rail/coil guns. Of course, I'll still call them railguns because that is the common term for them amongst my troops ICly (Similar to how a 'rifle' has mutated from a gun with a rifled barrel to any type of long arm in general. ;))

(Also note that it was Me, Central Facehuggeria who said that, not Kyanges. :p)


No problem. And I changed it so it is correct

I'm still going to go ahead with the INR production. However, due to some
of the responses, I'll change some of the statistics (like, the 1.5 light year thing. I'll still have it, but kindof as a aftermath wake or something like that. It wouldn't have any effect).