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Emperor Maximus IV, on behalf of Catholics, Protestants, and Christians throughout our world, is here to establish the Moral Alliance.

We shall assemble here to defend Christian and Moral principles worldwide, establishing governments, regions and cultures that enforce Christian culture:

--Establishing the principle that life begins at conception;
--Establishing that marriage is between a man and a woman;
--Establishing that the only god is the Christian God, and Jesus Christ is the Son of our Lord;
--Establishing that humans and monkeys do not share a lineage, for God created Man in his image, not from the hairy apes
--Establishing the faith in men to rest on the Sabbath and worship our Lord, fear Him, and submit themselves to Christ.
--Establishing that the will of God is supreme, and no science shall subvert His will

This alliance shall defend these principles and maintain the Faith, encouraging trade between those who are Righteous and Holy.

I hope we, the Emperors, Presidents, Kings, Czars, Rulers, and Leaders under God can join in this inter-Regional alliance in love and support.

If you are interested in making any requests or negociations with the Moral Alliance, or if you are interested in joining, we invite you to our message board.
http://s9.invisionfree.com/NSMoralAlliance/index.php?act=idx


Emperor Maximus IV of the Empire of Sidestreamer

Alliance Members
The Empire of Sidestreamer - Founder and Chair
The Commonwealth of Jagada - Vice Chair
The Principality of Acridia
The Confederacy of Miehm
The Imperial Kingdom of Moronyicka
The Nomadic Peoples of Hammers Slammers
The Holy Theocratic Empire of Rommelwood

so basically, your going to go back to the times of old, when the christian church ruled all. no one had much free will, unless it was involved in christian values. and anyone who opposed the church such as the patrons of science, to whom we owe a lot in todays society, shall be killed. is that what your saying? because i dont think i can belive in a god who would allow his own followers, to deny the will, and the choice mankind has earned. please do correct me if im wrong

so basically, your going to go back to the times of old, when the christian church ruled all. no one had much free will, unless it was involved in christian values. and anyone who opposed the church such as the patrons of science, to whom we owe a lot in todays society, shall be killed. is that what your saying? because i dont think i can belive in a god who would allow his own followers, to deny the will, and the choice mankind has earned. please do correct me if im wrong

I did not advocate the murder of those who disobey the commandments of God, for that would make us religious hypocrites. It says in the Book of Exodus that we shall not commit murder. However, this alliance shall encourage christian societies that do not encourage sin, decadence and the devaluation of life to continue the Faith, for we will support each other in trade, sociality, and war against the armies of Satan and cultural secularism.

Official Statement by the Emperor of Sinrefa

We are sorry to say that we will not follow this allience, but we mean you good well. Let it be known However if any of your missonaries comes to draw away those from the Divine Seven, without being a citizen, they shall face the Sacrificial knife.

Emperor Zakath Uagus, Lord of all that is Sumatra.

one thing though. not many of todays society wants to believe in a god, who has given no reason for us too do so. i have nothing against faith. i just feel that christianity, to be honest, is too far up its own arse. i says that there way is the only way. buhdism is a lot more. relaxed, and can modernise with times easier than the christains can. however good luck too you mate, cos hell you really are going to need it.

Sarzonia condemns the establishment of this alliance in an attempt to continue the moralist proselytizing that we have grown weary of. We serve notice that any members of this alliance shall be viewed unfavourably as it relates to establishing diplomatic or economic relations with the Incorporated States of Sarzonia.

Mike Sarzo
President
Incorporated States of Sarzonia

The Divine Reich doesn ot support this alliance, and demans it's abolishment, less the empire of Sidestreamer seek a place under the almighty Tocrowkian boot.

one thing though. not many of todays society wants to believe in a god, who has given no reason for us too do so. i have nothing against faith. i just feel that christianity, to be honest, is too far up its own arse. i says that there way is the only way. buhdism is a lot more. relaxed, and can modernise with times easier than the christains can. however good luck too you mate, cos hell you really are going to need it.

OOC: I'm not sure if you're roleplaying anymore.... if you're being serious, might want to try the general forum.

The Commonwealth of Jagada will gladly support and join such an alliance. In such times as these when the world suger-coats itself under the fictional belief that "We can solve all things" it is needed for the cold hard reality of the existance of God and the Judgement to be proclaimed.

While we are disheartened to see the vicious attacks on this alliance that have taken place. Though, I understand that if something doesn't meet up to the political correctness that many nations expect they must assault it with little mercy.

Sarzonia condemns the establishment of this alliance in an attempt to continue the moralist proselytizing that we have grown weary of. We serve notice that any members of this alliance shall be viewed unfavourably as it relates to establishing diplomatic or economic relations with the Incorporated States of Sarzonia.

Mike Sarzo
President
Incorporated States of Sarzonia

I will pray for your heathen nation. May you see the light of the Lord and may he be merciful, for you know not the evil you let into your nation's heart.

--Archbishop Ambicus, Minister of Foreign Affairs for the Empire of Sidestreamer

The Basques request that all who oppose this alliance join the Secular nations union a alliance for the freedom to practice religion and also for the freedom to practice no religion

On behalf of the fledging Alliance, we are blessed to welcome The Commonwealth of Jagada. May our new holy bonds unite us.

The Basques request that all who oppose this alliance join the Secular nations union a alliance for the freedom to practice religion and also for the freedom to practice no religion

I shall not argue this statement, yet use it as an example. The Commonwealth, while joining the Moral Alliance, will still permit our citizens to freely practice their current religion and to freely practice no religion. Though few people in Jagada practice no religion at all.

We join the alliance to merely defend the religion of Christianity, which we have seen is being increasly assaulted.

-Hunter Norris, Highest Minister of the Commonwealth of Jagada

As Jagada said, this alliance is merely one to encourage a Christian society through economic trade and military protection in times of conflict, and will have no impact on your nation's individual laws, other than to state that you support the Faith and encourage living in His grace.

the government favoring a religion (Any religion in general not just christianity) would make the followers of other religions feel pressured to join the state endorsed religion and so it would hinder the practice of other religions through both state endorsement of the religion and prejudice against non-belivers
the following is the Secular Nations Union thread link http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8487681#post8487681

To commemorate the foundation of this alliance, Kriovalian playwrights have collaborated to produce a grand work. "The Obnoxious Theocratic Prat and His Downfall" will premiere throughout Krioval and its territories next Friday. We cordially invite all nations, including those in the so-called Moral Alliance to attend. It is believed that this will be a smash hit among Krioval's populace.

Director Koro Vartek
Diplomacy and Trade
Armed Republic of Krioval

To commemorate the foundation of this alliance, Kriovalian playwrights have collaborated to produce a grand work. "The Obnoxious Theocratic Prat and His Downfall" will premiere throughout Krioval and its territories next Friday. We cordially invite all nations, including those in the so-called Moral Alliance to attend. It is believed that this will be a smash hit among Krioval's populace.

Director Koro Vartek
Diplomacy and Trade
Armed Republic of Krioval

We decline your invitation, without comment.

the government favoring a religion (Any religion in general not just christianity) would make the followers of other religions feel pressured to join the state endorsed religion and so it would hinder the practice of other religions through both state endorsement of the religion and prejudice against non-belivers
the following is the Secular Nations Union thread link http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8487681#post8487681

Your Secular Nations Union's creed has explicitly labeled itself as being anti-Moral Alliance.

We sternly warn you that while you are free to stray from the Path and the Light, you will UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE interfere with our worship and affairs. Even as you worship the petty false god of Political Correctness, you are ill-advised to attack us for our choice to operate our nations for the Higher Cause.

Archbishop Veracos, Secretary of the Moral Alliance

We decline your invitation, without comment.

I believe that counts as a comment. Do you handle your religious affairs with similar levels of deception?

~ random Kriovalian philosopher

OOC: On the record I do not hate christianity, I am a Christian myself, though I am a firm supporter of seperation of the church and state.

Theocracy just leads to tyranny

Official Message from King Ben Locksley of Acridia:

Acridia expresses the desire to join this allaince. The spark of light is increasingly growing dim, drowned out by the false lights of science and false religions in our sorry planet, and countries which hold true to the light are few. Therefore, as High Monarch of the Principality of Acridia, I King Ben Locksley I humbly ask the other members of the Moral Alliance if Acridia may join your number.

Our Grand Prince married his sister, so of course we're not going to enter this alliance!

And why not? As long as children are not the result, Acridia sees nothing immoral about your nation entering the allaince if it forefills the other criteria.

Actually, the couple already have a daughter.

Is the daughter normal or handicap?

Theocracy does not lead to tyranny. Jagada has, since its founding, had little problems keeping a stable democracy along with our nation have strong religious ties.

To whoever stated that a "State" religion pressures others is true, though that is why Christianity isn't Jagada's "State" religion, we have none. Though we do have the Criteria of Jagada which basically states that any religion that has more than five percent of the population in its religion is considered a "State" religion. Though all that is besides the point. Merely to enlighten you that "State" religions are not has evil as you believe.

Though like the laws of the Moral Alliance state we must encourage Christian morals, which we have and shall continue to do since they are already the base morals of our country.

While we have no problem with your religious views, as most of our people, as well as President Maybury, are religious, we wish to make it clear that, after Sidestreamer made it clear he completely disagrees with ViZion's stance on allowing same-sex marriage, and then stating they are forming an alliance against such beliefs, we will not tolerate threats towards ViZion's way of life, or that of our allies.

At long as your alliance does not try to press its beliefs, or force its beliefs, upon us or our allies, we have no problem with this alliance, or its members, and are more than welcome to open diplomatic and economic ties with each and every member of this alliance, aside from that of Sidestreamer, until they are willing to take back their mindless threat and 'economic sanctions' against ViZion, as well as allows our people to travel to your country if they wish.

Thank you,

President Maybury

Is the daughter normal or handicap?


Completly normal.

NSAA, while declining to join the alliance on the grounds of not having or wanting a national religion, will defend any member of this alliance that is attacked by any of the so-called secular nations. that is final.

Emperor Maximus IV, on behalf of Catholics, Protestants, and Christians throughout our world, is here to establish the Moral Alliance.

We shall assemble here to defend Christian and Moral principles worldwide, establishing governments, regions and cultures that enforce Christian culture:

--Establishing the principle that life begins at conception;
--Establishing that marriage is between a man and a woman;
--Establishing that the only god is the Christian God, and Jesus Christ is the Son of our Lord;
--Establishing that humans and monkeys do not share a lineage, for God created Man in his image, not from the hairy apes
--Establishing the faith in men to rest on the Sabbath and worship our Lord, fear Him, and submit themselves to Christ.
--Establishing that the will of God is supreme, and no science shall subvert His will

This alliance shall defend these principles and maintain the Faith, encouraging trade between those who are Righteous and Holy.

I hope we, the Emperors, Presidents, Kings, Czars, Rulers, and Leaders under God can join in this inter-Regional alliance in love and support.

Emperor Maximus IV of the Empire of Sidestreamer

Alliance Members
The Empire of Sidestreamer
The Commonwealth of Jagada

So you are advocating a return to the Dark Ages? Do you not consider this a step backwards (at the very least)?

Your Secular Nations Union's creed has explicitly labeled itself as being anti-Moral Alliance.

Which also translates to anti-slave-morality - not a bad thing, in my opinion.

Official Message from King Ben Locksley of Acridia:

Acridia expresses the desire to join this allaince. The spark of light is increasingly growing dim, drowned out by the false lights of science and false religions in our sorry planet, and countries which hold true to the light are few. Therefore, as High Monarch of the Principality of Acridia, I King Ben Locksley I humbly ask the other members of the Moral Alliance if Acridia may join your number.

We have recieved your communication and accept your invitation.

The Moral Alliance welcomes the Principality of Acridia into the brotherhood!

Excellilent. We shall establish embassies for all other Moral Allaince nations in our own country, and hope other moral allaince nations build Acridian embassies in their nations.

Acridia also expresses a desire to create stronger economic ties with other Moral Allaince members.

While we have no problem with your religious views, as most of our people, as well as President Maybury, are religious, we wish to make it clear that, after Sidestreamer made it clear he completely disagrees with ViZion's stance on allowing same-sex marriage, and then stating they are forming an alliance against such beliefs, we will not tolerate threats towards ViZion's way of life, or that of our allies.

At long as your alliance does not try to press its beliefs, or force its beliefs, upon us or our allies, we have no problem with this alliance, or its members, and are more than welcome to open diplomatic and economic ties with each and every member of this alliance, aside from that of Sidestreamer, until they are willing to take back their mindless threat and 'economic sanctions' against ViZion, as well as allows our people to travel to your country if they wish.

Thank you,

President Maybury

You and the main ViZion are invited with a sincere hope of joining the Secular Nations Union

OOC: Quick question Sidestreamer, is Coreys Land a part of the Moral Alliance

Excellilent. We shall establish embassies for all other Moral Allaince nations in our own country, and hope other moral allaince nations build Acridian embassies in their nations.

Acridia also expresses a desire to create stronger economic ties with other Moral Allaince members.

We don't condone the policies of theMoral Alliance but the SNU greets the ammbasators of all Moral Alliance nations with open arms

The Dominion of Upper Cet Kola Ytovia wishes to caution all from imposing their views upon other nations. That being said, while we have no intention of joining any alliance, we do welcome normal and friendly relations with the members of both the Moral Alliance and the Secular Nations Union.

OOC: Pterodonia, if you're going make out of character comments, at the very least label them as such, though preferably you should take them to the General forum.

The Dominion of Upper Cet Kola Ytovia wishes to caution all from imposing their views upon other nations. That being said, while we have no intention of joining any alliance, we do welcome normal and friendly relations with the members of both the Moral Alliance and the Secular Nations Union.

OOC: Pterodonia, if you're going make out of character comments, at the very least label them as such, though preferably you should take them to the General forum.

Care to exchange embassies unlike the Moral Alliance "Self-Holies" are

Speaking of embassies, all nations of the SNU, I establish embassies with you.

an also with you

We are willing to establish embassies with the members of the Secular Nations Union and the Moral Alliance.

EDIT: Never mind, I just realized you were talking about the other alliance, hehe

The First Cardinal has officially excommunicated the Emperor of Sidestreamer today, along with the Archbishop Ambicus of that nation, for "usurpation of the divine truth for reasons of petty politics" and for "the promotion of hatred in direct opposition of the Divine Will". In a scathing hour-long address to the faithful in Kingsminster Cathedral, the First Cardinal reminded the congregations of the Omnia Vincet Amor Declarations, saying that statements aired to the contrary are the vilest of heresies. His Eminence closed his sermon with the excommunication, adding that declarations like the "Moral" Alliance's Mission Statement are nothing more than blasphemy. The First Cardinal left the pulpit to the congregation chanting "not in our name!"

Independent and opposition M.P.'s have openly mocked the new alliance in open Parliament, under the protection of Parliamentary Privilege.

Secular authorities have confirmed the Empire's absolute neutrality in this matter; the External Affairs Minister has summed up the Government's position with the phrase "Macisikan does not take sides".

Analysts have agreed that any attempt by the new alliance to change Imperial Neutralist Policies, or to affect Imperial Domestic Policies will most likely be declared an assault on sovereignty, and would provoke an extreme response.

-Reuters

OOC: Quick question Sidestreamer, is Coreys Land a part of the Moral Alliance

OOC: He has never requested to join us via this thread or via telegram, so no, and we have nothing to do with what Coreys Land is doing.

We are willing to establish embassies with the members of the Secular Nations Union and the Moral Alliance.

Unfortunately, the Secular Nations Union has made it a mission to oppose us by enacting embargoes with all members of the Moral Alliance, including myself. Until the SNU drops their hostilities against us, we cannot permit you to join them and us simutaneously, and for that matter, given our contradictorary goals, I'm confused as to why you'd like to do that anyway.

Archbishop Veracos, Secretary of the Moral Alliance

OOC: If you're going to discuss SNU embassy establishments, do it on that thread, not here. Thanks.

The First Cardinal has officially excommunicated the Emperor of Sidestreamer today, along with the Archbishop Ambicus of that nation, for "usurpation of the divine truth for reasons of petty politics" and for "the promotion of hatred in direct opposition of the Divine Will". In a scathing hour-long address to the faithful in Kingsminster Cathedral, the First Cardinal reminded the congregations of the Omnia Vincet Amor Declarations, saying that statements aired to the contrary are the vilest of heresies. His Eminence closed his sermon with the excommunication, adding that declarations like the "Moral" Alliance's Mission Statement are nothing more than blasphemy. The First Cardinal left the pulpit to the congregation chanting "not in our name!"

Independent and opposition M.P.'s have openly mocked the new alliance in open Parliament, under the protection of Parliamentary Privilege.

Secular authorities have confirmed the Empire's absolute neutrality in this matter; the External Affairs Minister has summed up the Government's position with the phrase "Macisikan does not take sides".

Analysts have agreed that any attempt by the new alliance to change Imperial Neutralist Policies, or to affect Imperial Domestic Policies will most likely be declared an assault on sovereignty, and would provoke an extreme response.

-Reuters

Official Response from Ben Locksley:

The only one here who is threatening force of arms currently is your nation. Although I do not speak for all its members, the only way we would change your nation's domestic policies would be if your leaders agreed with us to change them.

The First Cardinal has officially excommunicated the Emperor of Sidestreamer today, along with the Archbishop Ambicus of that nation, for "usurpation of the divine truth for reasons of petty politics" and for "the promotion of hatred in direct opposition of the Divine Will". In a scathing hour-long address to the faithful in Kingsminster Cathedral, the First Cardinal reminded the congregations of the Omnia Vincet Amor Declarations, saying that statements aired to the contrary are the vilest of heresies. His Eminence closed his sermon with the excommunication, adding that declarations like the "Moral" Alliance's Mission Statement are nothing more than blasphemy. The First Cardinal left the pulpit to the congregation chanting "not in our name!"

Independent and opposition M.P.'s have openly mocked the new alliance in open Parliament, under the protection of Parliamentary Privilege.

Secular authorities have confirmed the Empire's absolute neutrality in this matter; the External Affairs Minister has summed up the Government's position with the phrase "Macisikan does not take sides".

Analysts have agreed that any attempt by the new alliance to change Imperial Neutralist Policies, or to affect Imperial Domestic Policies will most likely be declared an assault on sovereignty, and would provoke an extreme response.

-Reuters

OOC: Which nation or group plays the role of Catholic pope? Is that you? Otherwise, how can you excommuincate me unless you're starting your own sect?

IC:
Emperor Maximus IV and Foreign Minister Archbishop Ambicus of Sidestreamer dismissed the excommunication made by the First Cardinal from Macisikan as "frivilous" and "consistent with the hijacking of Catholicism by a radical, liberal fringe that opposes the correct and literal interpretation of the Bible," and also reassured the Moral Alliance's non-aggressive policy in response to the Macisikan government's official warning in the Emperoral press conference Monday at the Temple of the Altogether.

"From my understanding, the First Cardinal from Macisikan is not the Pope and is speaking out of line," the Emperor said. "He is effectively speaking for himself and himself alone, and bears no influence over my Catholic affiliation."

Ambicus's response was more animated.

"That blasphemous whoremongerer thinks he can twist the faith and remove me from the Church for the stances made by my colleague Veracos? Someone take his foggy spectacles and smash them upon his thick forehead! He is as ignorant of my official position as he is ignorant of our collective creed!" Ambicus exclaimed from his office at the Altogether.

Ambicus, the Foreign Minister of Sidestreamer and the interim Foreign Minister of for the Militaristic Legions and Plans, has no formal connection to the Moral Alliance, which is under the leadership of Archbishop Veracos.

Maximus IV also echoed the comments from Acridian leader Ben Locksley in response to the same report from Macisikan.

"While we hope the citizens of the world were to see and accept Christ through their own initiative with or without our guidance, they need to open their hearts and come to Christ. We cannot force it upon them," Maximus conceded. "If the governments outside our alliance open themselves, however, and take our oath, we can certainly help them in missionary and work for a new life of good and holy governance."

Unfortunately, the Secular Nations Union has made it a mission to oppose us by enacting embargoes with all members of the Moral Alliance, including myself. Until the SNU drops their hostilities against us, we cannot permit you to join them and us simutaneously, and for that matter, given our contradictorary goals, I'm confused as to why you'd like to do that anyway.

Archbishop Veracos, Secretary of the Moral Alliance

To: Archbishop Veracos, Secretary of the Moral Alliance
From: Jacinda Prime, Fure Calere of the D.U.C.K.Y.

You misunderstand. It is not our intention to join any alliance. We simply wish to stay on friendly terms with you. Ours is a mostly devoutly Christian people who value the secular nature of their government. Freedom of conscience is valued highly in our culture, as we tend to believe that only by allowing all paths can we assure that the true path is allowed. However, the majority of our citizens believe that the true path is via our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. For this reason we find something of value in the ideals of both alliances, even though we have no desire to formally join either. We'd simply like to keep talking.

Originally Posted by Macisikan
The First Cardinal has officially excommunicated the Emperor of Sidestreamer today, along with the Archbishop Ambicus of that nation, for "usurpation of the divine truth for reasons of petty politics" and for "the promotion of hatred in direct opposition of the Divine Will". In a scathing hour-long address to the faithful in Kingsminster Cathedral, the First Cardinal reminded the congregations of the Omnia Vincet Amor Declarations, saying that statements aired to the contrary are the vilest of heresies. His Eminence closed his sermon with the excommunication, adding that declarations like the "Moral" Alliance's Mission Statement are nothing more than blasphemy. The First Cardinal left the pulpit to the congregation chanting "not in our name!"

Independent and opposition M.P.'s have openly mocked the new alliance in open Parliament, under the protection of Parliamentary Privilege.

Secular authorities have confirmed the Empire's absolute neutrality in this matter; the External Affairs Minister has summed up the Government's position with the phrase "Macisikan does not take sides".

Analysts have agreed that any attempt by the new alliance to change Imperial Neutralist Policies, or to affect Imperial Domestic Policies will most likely be declared an assault on sovereignty, and would provoke an extreme response.

-Reuters

"By what right does this man have to condemn our alliance?" stated Archbishop Amitos, leader of the Catholic faith in Jagada. "The First Cardinal of Macisikan has no right to excommunicate our allies, and then threaten us with war if we anger then in any way," he continued, "This man must be suffering from something because he obviously has no idea what he is talking about."

Amitos has recently been appointed by the Religious Leadership Comittee: Catholic Branch to serve as the leader of the Catholic faith in Jagada. After hearing of the announcement by the First Cardinal of Macisikan the archbishop seemed confused and annoyed.

"Those who assault the Moral Alliance do so because they seek to make religion merely a side note in their nation. While their policies must be accepted they have no right to condemn and embargo and boycott our nations for our beliefs, these self-proclaimed defenders of social equallity are hypocrites to everything they stand for!"

While the Excommunication has caused some general discomfort by the Catholic faith in Jagada, few have taken is very seriously. Many people in Jagada have never even heard of Macisikan and thus their religious leaders have little effect upon the population.

In somewhat related news Highest Minister Hunter Norris has requested that the Secular Nations Union please end their embargo upon the Moral Alliance. He has made comments to the effect of, that while the two alliances have opposing views it is unwise for the two to be at such hostile terms with each other as it leads to war and other incidents.

Archbishop Ambicus, Minister of Foreign Affairs for the Empire of Sidestreamer: We have reflected upon Jagada's offer to the SNU, and decided, to keep in the spirit of the good will, we will independently end our embargo against ViZion, unconditionally.

While we maintain our dissaproval of their decision concerning homosexual marriage, we will no longer respond in an economically punitive manner.

This decree shall be posted in the viZion thread shortly....

To: Archbishop Veracos, Secretary of the Moral Alliance
From: Jacinda Prime, Fure Calere of the D.U.C.K.Y.

You misunderstand. It is not our intention to join any alliance. We simply wish to stay on friendly terms with you. Ours is a mostly devoutly Christian people who value the secular nature of their government. Freedom of conscience is valued highly in our culture, as we tend to believe that only by allowing all paths can we assure that the true path is allowed. However, the majority of our citizens believe that the true path is via our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. For this reason we find something of value in the ideals of both alliances, even though we have no desire to formally join either. We'd simply like to keep talking.

I apologize for the misunderstanding, and we grant permission for the construction of the embassy from Jacinda Prime inside the Altogether.

I have forwarded your memo to Archbishop Ambicus, who I believe will approve of the Embasy and will communicate with you concerning the creation of our embassy in your Jacinda Prime.

On behalf of the Empire of Sidestreamer, we hope we can share a productive and righteous relationship.

Archbishop Veracos

"By what right does this man have to condemn our alliance?" stated Archbishop Amitos, leader of the Catholic faith in Jagada. "The First Cardinal of Macisikan has no right to excommunicate our allies, and then threaten us with war if we anger then in any way," he continued, "This man must be suffering from something because he obviously has no idea what he is talking about."

Amitos has recently been appointed by the Religious Leadership Comittee: Catholic Branch to serve as the leader of the Catholic faith in Jagada. After hearing of the announcement by the First Cardinal of Macisikan the archbishop seemed confused and annoyed.

"Those who assault the Moral Alliance do so because they seek to make religion merely a side note in their nation. While their policies must be accepted they have no right to condemn and embargo and boycott our nations for our beliefs, these self-proclaimed defenders of social equallity are hypocrites to everything they stand for!"

While the Excommunication has caused some general discomfort by the Catholic faith in Jagada, few have taken is very seriously. Many people in Jagada have never even heard of Macisikan and thus their religious leaders have little effect upon the population.

In somewhat related news Highest Minister Hunter Norris has requested that the Secular Nations Union please end their embargo upon the Moral Alliance. He has made comments to the effect of, that while the two alliances have opposing views it is unwise for the two to be at such hostile terms with each other as it leads to war and other incidents.

In the Royal Palace in Groyetra City, Acridia's capital, Ben Locksley hears the response from both the other two Moral Allaince members over the radio. Immediately, the King sits down and rights another official letter which is adressed to the other two members of the Moral Allaince.

"I agree with the sentiments of the the archbishop of Jagada, as well as Emperor Maximus IV. The growing tendacy of Democratic nations of the West towards Secularisation and Pluralism is a recipe for anarchy or more likely, totalitarianism. The desire to remove God from the public square, and declare morality relative is effidence of the Enemy's work in this world, despite the outwardly harmless appearence the agenda is advanced in."

Archbishop Ambicus, Minister of Foreign Affairs for the Empire of Sidestreamer: We have reflected upon Jagada's offer to the SNU, and decided, to keep in the spirit of the good will, we will independently end our embargo against ViZion, unconditionally.

While we maintain our dissaproval of their decision concerning homosexual marriage, we will no longer respond in an economically punitive manner.

This decree shall be posted in the viZion thread shortly....
We thank the Archbishop for reconsidering. While we understand that your beliefs are against same-sex marriages, we feel that our government should leave the final decision up to the couple, and the person who is willing to marry the couple.

Keep in mind that our government is set up on the standard of higher law, meaning that there is a power higher than that of the government. We do not, however, wish to encroach upon our peoples final rights to do as they wish.

Thank you,

President Maybury

OOC [not to ViZion]: It's long been the (extremely self-righteous and presumptive) stance of my Church that everyone comes under their jurisdiction. Doesn't matter what you think; it's their opinion that matters from their point of view. Organised religion is a wonderful thing. And you should know; they're Orthodox, not Catholic. BIG difference.

btw, Holy Vatican See is the official Catholic Leader.

[and make sure you read what is posted very carefully; never did I threaten war. It was independent analysts who said that if you attempted to force your ways on my nation, there would be an "extreme response"; they don't reflect the government line. There are bigger nations with shorter tempers who think it's OK to nuke people for confusing things the way you did]

IC:
Communication sent privately to Acrida only:
Sod off. We weren't threatening anyone. Don't you know what "Absolute Neutrality" means? It means we'll talk until we turn blue, but won't do anything. Just go away.

You are watching MNB Late News

"... but the dog survived.

There has been a vitriol outpouring of anger by the several Bishops of the Maciskan Orthodox Church today at the arrogant presumption that by the Sidestreamerian (?) leadership that all Churches adhere to the western Catholic model. "We have never adhered to the Bishop of Rome" and extremely angry Bishop Serpens Aldir, M.P., snapped in an interview. "Never have, never will. The Patriarch of Navisal, of Macisikan, is vested with supreme religious authority. End of story."

The First Cardinal meanwhile has dismissed the statements by the Sidestreamians as "uninformed" and "the sort of response I would expect from a nine-year-old boy". The First Cardinal went on to say that "what is done is done. The matter is now between themselves and God. Too bad if they think otherwise." The First Cardinal has also declared that he is perplexed, as he cannot find a single point in his speech where he threatened war, saying that that would be "overstepping my authority; only Parliament can do that".

Lady Justina Valdir, His Majesty's Minister for External Affairs, has meanwhile issued a statement;

"We are the most neutral nation on Earth. We don't control what the Church says, and frankly, no-one in the secular government cares.

The First Cardinal does not now, has never, and will never control official Foreign policy.

The fools who think otherwise should understand that this nation has a little thing called Freedom of Speech. The First Cardinal can say what he likes about this matter, and the media can broadcast it. It does not reflect, or affect, government policy.

As for war, perhaps I need to spell it out for these little tin-pot nations; We. Are. Neutral. We are NOT threatening you, them or anyone else. We do not take sides. Never have, probably won't. Now go away."

Senior officials have cautioned that the Empire's Quid Pro Quo policy remains in force; as long as the Moral Alliance leaves the Empire alone, the same courtesy will be extended to them.

Independent MP's have roundly criticised the lack of diplomacy demonstrated by the Moral Alliance.

This news just in; a picture was found at the bottom of the ocean..."

IC: Then we had a misunderstanding. However, by saying that you will declare war, before any threatening actions from the Moral Allaince occur, which I assure you will never happen because it is against our nature(if we are threatened that is another story however).

IC: Then we had a misunderstanding. However, by saying that you will declare war, before any threatening actions from the Moral Allaince occur, which I assure you will never happen because it is against our nature(if we are threatened that is another story however).

Communiqué
To: Acridia (assumed leader of Moral Alliance; cc'd to it's members)
From: MinExAff

We are most pleased that this has been cleared up.

Let us restate one more time; if you leave us alone, and we will do the same for you.

We will assume that this is to be our mutual relation.

- Ministry of External Affairs

Return Statement from Groyetra:

"While the King was not availible to write a return letter to Macisikan, he wants to assure you that he isn't interested in forcing your country adopt our values(even if they are the right ones). That would have to be done on your own account.

Also, it should be known that Acridia is not the leader of the Moral Allaince, but Sidestreamer currently holds that position. We were speaking on behalf of our allies, nothing more."

OOC: On the issue of Popes, I personally adhere to the Belemish (The Imperial Empire) Pope, since he was given the Holy See by Guffingford in EII.

As for RPing Popes, I think the general consesus is you can as far as you want but try to make it realistic.

Besides in reality Arch-Bishops and Cardinals could in practice excommuniate people, they just passed the report of the offence and their proposed action well embellished to the Pope. Who is often old anyway so he just signs the things... :)

bump

OOC: If you're going to discuss SNU embassy establishments, do it on that thread, not here. Thanks.

OOC: You have a piont about this from now on the SNU disussions will be in the SNU thread

Basque Spain extends an invitation for all the Moral Alliance nations to exchange embassies with Basque Spain

Acridia take that invitation Basque.

Miehm will gladly join this alliance of devout nations.

To the scottish moors I say that science never proves anything, only disproves previously held notions. I have yet to see any empirical evidence that disproves Gods existence and so I place all my faith in the lord that we shall know the truth when we are ready for it.

We would be honored to join this alliance.

~King Jedo~

To Basque Spain, we shall consider your proposal. Though we shall wait until the other two members of the Moral Alliance make their statements.

To Moronyicka and Miehm, while I cannot offically accept you as members (such a task is left up to SideStreamer) I can say that I would support your nations joining the alliance.

A News Release by the Basque Foriegn Ministry

Basque Spain ask the Moral Alliance to help the SNU in their time of struggle. The nation of Coreys Land is a nation that is similar to the RL Nazi Germany. If the Moral Alliance is as you the members say a coalition dedicated to helping to create a world with more morality then why stand on the side of a major battle for the humanity of man. The Moral Alliance sould not merely statnd on the side of a fight to save people because of a petty theological issue. Even if this alliance is opposed to the religious views of the SNU they sould still take a stand against a moral evil like Coreys Land.

To Basque Spain, we shall consider your proposal. Though we shall wait until the other two members of the Moral Alliance make their statements.

To Moronyicka and Miehm, while I cannot offically accept you as members (such a task is left up to SideStreamer) I can say that I would support your nations joining the alliance.

Apologies for the late notice of these applications.

The confederacy of Miehm and The Imperial Kingdom of Moronyicka, the Moral Alliance welcomes both nations into the brotherhood! In numbers, our service shall be carried out and the Faith shall grow. Let's go forth under God.

Also, Miehm, I have recieved your telegram requesting air support. I have only begun to build my air force, but I can send a small tactical force of 10 F/A 18 Hornets and refit them as needed, but it will take 2 days for me to prepare them for deployment. However, I believe others within the alliance may supply additional support if needed.

A News Release by the Basque Foriegn Ministry

Basque Spain ask the Moral Alliance to help the SNU in their time of struggle. The nation of Coreys Land is a nation that is similar to the RL Nazi Germany. If the Moral Alliance is as you the members say a coalition dedicated to helping to create a world with more morality then why stand on the side of a major battle for the humanity of man. The Moral Alliance sould not merely statnd on the side of a fight to save people because of a petty theological issue. Even if this alliance is opposed to the religious views of the SNU they sould still take a stand against a moral evil like Coreys Land.

From the Palace of the Moral Alliance, The Altogether, Sidestreamer
Archbishop Veracos: Before Basque Spain has sent the news release, the Empire of Sidestreamer independently considered deploying medical and humanitarian support for each combatant. We shared the idea with the original three moral alliance members, and I we will consider the opinions of the two new members.

Keep in mind however that the SNU still has an active economic boycott against the Moral Alliance, and to provide military aid to an alliance that is boycotting us is odd, to put it mildly. Before we can even consider such aid, I request on behalf of the MA that the boycotts cease.

--Archbishop Veracos, Secretary of the Moral Alliance

How about an /immoral/ alliance?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=407482

From the Palace of the Moral Alliance, The Altogether, Sidestreamer
Archbishop Veracos: Before Basque Spain has sent the news release, the Empire of Sidestreamer independently considered deploying medical and humanitarian support for each combatant. We shared the idea with the original three moral alliance members, and I we will consider the opinions of the two new members.

Keep in mind however that the SNU still has an active economic boycott against the Moral Alliance, and to provide military aid to an alliance that is boycotting us is odd, to put it mildly. Before we can even consider such aid, I request on behalf of the MA that the boycotts cease.

--Archbishop Veracos, Secretary of the Moral Alliance

The SNU will put a temporary hold one the MA boycott if the MA considers assisting the SNU and the other nations that are helping in the struggle against the CL invasion

How about an /immoral/ alliance?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=407482

That is just wrong

The Tank Lords will join your moral alliance.

OOC: Due to the unexpected growth and requests from the Moral Alliance, I have established a new forum in order to facilitate operations, trade, negociations and requests for action.

http://s9.invisionfree.com/NSMoralAlliance/index.php

From now on, any request for action shall be sent either to this board or on this thread.

I've recieved too many telegrams and my inbox is flooding from it. PLEASE: no mas, por favor! Send 'em to this board instead.

All members of the moral Alliance, I encourage you to register using your nation's name, shorthand (ex: Sidestreamer, not Empire of Sidestreamer), and you all will be assigned the "allies" member group.

The board's still in development so pardon while I'm switching things around, but since I'm getting several telegrams, I'm opening it up prematurely.

The Tank Lords will join your moral alliance.

On behalf of the Moral Alliance, we accept you into our ranks, and together we go with God.

Archbishop Veracos - Chairman of the Moral Alliance

OOC: I'm reorganizing the MA so yes, the change to "Chairman" from "Secretary" is deliberate, not a lapse in RPing.

Excuse me, but do you claim Christians have the monopoly on morality? I am a Zoroastrian, and will gladly tell you that Zarathustra is the prophet of Ahura Mazda, who told his plan humanity must live to Zarathustra. We who follow the idea of Good Words, Good Thoughts, and Good Deeds with our heart are far better than some hypocrite like yourselves. Attempting to impose your faith on Parthia or sending missionaries to convert us from the Good Religion will be responded to by a pursecution of all fundamentalist Christians in Parthia.

-Shah Khosru III

Excuse me, but do you claim Christians have the monopoly on morality? I am a Zoroastrian, and will gladly tell you that Zarathustra is the prophet of Ahura Mazda, who told his plan humanity must live to Zarathustra. We who follow the idea of Good Words, Good Thoughts, and Good Deeds with our heart are far better than some hypocrite like yourselves. Attempting to impose your faith on Parthia or sending missionaries to convert us from the Good Religion will be responded to by a pursecution of all fundamentalist Christians in Parthia.

-Shah Khosru III

We have not made any such attempt to "impose our faith" on Parthia. However, we caution you against any threat to persecute your own Christian peoples. Doing so will not only provoke us, but will also be viewed as a humanitarian travesty, and we will join forces with the UN and other humanitarian alliances on the behalf of the oppressed.

Do NOT take my words lightly. You are hence warned.

Archbishop Veracos, Chairman of the Moral Alliance

Attention Moral Alliance members

Hammers Slammers and Meihm have requested that the Moral Alliance, on their behalf, engage in military actions against the nation of Phalanix, and before we engage in open hostilities, a vote of consensus is needed.

http://s9.invisionfree.com/NSMoralAlliance/index.php?act=idx

--Archbishop Veracos, Chairman of the Moral Alliance

We have not made any such attempt to "impose our faith" on Parthia. However, we caution you against any threat to persecute your own Christian peoples. Doing so will not only provoke us, but will also be viewed as a humanitarian travesty, and we will join forces with the UN and other humanitarian alliances on the behalf of the oppressed.

Do NOT take my words lightly. You are hence warned.

Archbishop Veracos, Chairman of the Moral Alliance


Oh, so you will invade me then? I can do what I want to the 150 Christian Fundamentalist whackos in mostly Zoroastrian Parthia. However, I'm not pursecuting anyone if you allow your Zoroastrians to come to Parthia where they can live without being pressured to convert to your rediculous brand of anti-logical Christianity from the Middle Ages.

-Shah Khosru III

OOC: Theres about 400 Catholics, 200 Protestants, 150 Fundamentalists, and 1,750,000 Armenian Orthodox in Parthia. The Armenian Orthodox are held in high regard since they do not proseletyze and willingly follow the Parthian government. In return they have full toleration. They are also more progressive.

Oh, so you will invade me then? I can do what I want to the 150 Christian Fundamentalist whackos in mostly Zoroastrian Parthia. However, I'm not pursecuting anyone if you allow your Zoroastrians to come to Parthia where they can live without being pressured to convert to your rediculous brand of anti-logical Christianity from the Middle Ages.

Please state at least five times where the Moral Alliance has attempt to impose our religious and moral beliefs upon you. I am afarid that if there are Zoroastrians in Jagada, then they are only take up a small faction of four precent. I believe I speak on behalf of the entire Moral Alliance when I say that Zoroastrians have never been withheld from going to your nation. If they wish to leave ours, then by all means they can leave.

Nor has the Moral Alliance ever claimed to hold a monopoly on morality. I'm surprised such a comment was even made. There are plently of Christians in hundreds of nations throughout the world.

Again, I echo the words of Sidestreamer, if you persecute Christians in your nation simply out of a personal grudge towards the Moral Alliance there will be retaillation on our part towards you. There is no reason for you to persecute them other then that you feel threatened by them.

Your very platform is threatening to the Good Religion and to all other faiths on this Earth. Allow me to dissect it and show you.

Emperor Maximus IV, on behalf of Catholics, Protestants, and Christians throughout our world, is here to establish the Moral Alliance.

We shall assemble here to defend Christian and Moral principles worldwide, establishing governments, regions and cultures that enforce Christian culture:

Establishing governments and cultures enforcing Christian culture in defense of the Christian faith is in its essence, Western Culture and Christian Theocracy. That is directly opposed to the Persian and Zoroastrian culture of my nation. You, by this part of the platform, declare hostility to all non-western cultures and nations.


--Establishing the principle that life begins at conception;
--Establishing that marriage is between a man and a woman;

No problem with these, our faiths coincide about abortion and opposition to same sex marriage.


--Establishing that the only god is the Christian God, and Jesus Christ is the Son of our Lord;

I don't believe that, and to try and force that gibberish on me and my nation is rediculous. I mean, besides faith, is there any proof Jesus being anything but perhaps an illegitimate child. Or even besides a few sources, one of which, Josephus, is regarded as a forgery by many scholars, that he even existed. Or perhaps the fact the old Persian Sun God Mithra and Jesus are quite similar, even though Mithra predates Jesus by over 600 years.


--Establishing that humans and monkeys do not share a lineage, for God created Man in his image, not from the hairy apes

On what evidence? Genetics says there is a definite similarity.

--Establishing the faith in men to rest on the Sabbath and worship our Lord, fear Him, and submit themselves to Christ.

That is rediculous, only faith and a poorly translated manuscript justify this and I have faith in something else anyway.

--Establishing that the will of God is supreme, and no science shall subvert His will

Laughably rediculous. Are you a diety? Do you know the will of a diety?

You are all a threat to the non-Western world.

Can I join your Alliance.I hate Atheists completely!

Yours,
The Inquisition

The Federative Commonwealth of Armany agrees with most of the principles established by the Moral Alliance, yet feel that it is not neccessary to "enforce" the Christian code upon others. We would be in complete agreement with you had your constitution stated that Christian code be "encouraged," but the enforcement of any religion is not concurrrent with our political and governmental base.

That said, however, the Commonwealth would like to considered by your alliance as a nation sympathetic to the causes that you set out to establish. We will give you verbal support and possibly at times physical support, but we cannot enter into the alliance proper with the enforcement clause present. Please make note of the fact that you can view Armany as a friend in your actions, and that we are supportive of your aims.

Thank you and God Bless,

Neil Thurman
Secretary of State, the FCA

please help me CL is taking marching on my capital. OI know that you are not involved in this but please sidestreamer help me send him a TG or something. Don't let are petty theological bickering divide us try to convince him to pull out of Basque areas. The Moral Alliance must not allow someone to bend the Good News (and by the way I am a christian though I belive that one sould come to Him through themselves not the state) to a evil and Nazi agenda like he does. Try to peacefully pull out of Basque Spain you could also help by sending an airlift of food and guns to the Basque people

Rommelwood, I believe you would be a fine edition to our alliance. I have recently been given power to accept or deny members, or so I believe that is what power has been given to me. You are accepted nonetheless.

Armany, I full understand your policy. As Jagada does not strictly follow the Moral Alliance code, in the sense that we do not "enforce" Christianity upon our people, nor does Christianity hold a monopoly in the government. If you wish to fully join (as I sense from you message more stating that you are a supporter more than interested in joining). The enforcement policy of the Moral Alliance is debated, while the other policies are generally accepted.

Basque Spain, our intervention into this war is still in discussion. (OoC: Meaning I haven't a clue if Sidestreamer intends to join in or not.)

The Holy Empire of Streleheim is a nation that endorses The Strellic Orthodox Church. We would be very interested in forming a moral alliance with other like-minded nations; however, this does not seem possible since the main populace of Streleheim disagree with several of the core principles of “The Moral Alliance.” The Strellic Orthodox Church teaches us, first and foremost, that the bible is a creation of man and may not contain the exact word of God. Therefore, we see nothing wrong with homosexuality or sciences and do believe that humans and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor. We regret that, because of our own beliefs, we cannot join this alliance.

Sincerely,
Constantine Falco,
Imperial Minister of Foreign Affairs,
Corounne,
The Holy Empire of Streleheim

Rommelwood, I believe you would be a fine edition to our alliance. I have recently been given power to accept or deny members, or so I believe that is what power has been given to me. You are accepted nonetheless.

Armany, I full understand your policy. As Jagada does not strictly follow the Moral Alliance code, in the sense that we do not "enforce" Christianity upon our people, nor does Christianity hold a monopoly in the government. If you wish to fully join (as I sense from you message more stating that you are a supporter more than interested in joining). The enforcement policy of the Moral Alliance is debated, while the other policies are generally accepted.

Basque Spain, our intervention into this war is still in discussion. (OoC: Meaning I haven't a clue if Sidestreamer intends to join in or not.)

Basque Spain offered a temporary suspension of the boycott.

We hope to repeal this in the future and make the suspensions permanent.

However, we see a humanitarian crisis, and we are compelled to respond. While I cannot compel the Moral Alliance members to declare war without their approval via a majority vote, the Empire of Sidestreamer will join you as an ally.

The Empire of Sidestreamer has declared a war alliance with Basque Spain and the Secular Nations Union, and in effect, this shall be interpreted as a Declaration of War on the Dictatorship of Corey's Land.

--Maximus IV, Emperor of Sidestreamer

Can I join your Alliance.I hate Atheists completely!

Yours,
The Inquisition

To the Inquisition,

We are not an alliance that is dedicated to "hating Atheists." We certainly disagree and oppose the secular intrusion within our world and seek to reverse it's advance, but we are troubled by what, in my personal opinion, is a destructive cause. We may be stern in the defense of the faith, but we are not conquistadores.

That said, Jagada has faith in you, and therefore I will as well.

--Archbishop Veracos, Chairman of the Moral Alliance

Armany, I full understand your policy. As Jagada does not strictly follow the Moral Alliance code, in the sense that we do not "enforce" Christianity upon our people, nor does Christianity hold a monopoly in the government. If you wish to fully join (as I sense from you message more stating that you are a supporter more than interested in joining). The enforcement policy of the Moral Alliance is debated, while the other policies are generally accepted.

Thank you for your response, although Armany shall abstain from entering at this point. Please consider or even list us as a friend, though, and we hope to hear from you in the future. Also, I may be interested in getting involved with your alliance at a later date, but as of now, we feel that it would not be entirely beneficial to our nation.

We will not be entering the Corey's Land/SNU war on either side, as we would like to keep our military involved in affairs closer to home.

Thank you!

Signed:
Neil Thurman
Arman Secretary of State

William R. Nash
Arman President

The Basque People thank Sidestreamer for the support of their army which will be sent to the city of Bilboa as soon as they reach Basque soil. We hope that this deployment does not bother you. Would you like to command the troops yourself or will you put them under Basque command

The Basque People thank Sidestreamer for the support of their army which will be sent to the city of Bilboa as soon as they reach Basque soil. We hope that this deployment does not bother you. Would you like to command the troops yourself or will you put them under Basque command

We have 20 F/A 18 hornets, 40,000 militiamen and 10,000 fully trained infantry, 2 carriers (the S.S. Emberlight and the S.S. Manitoba), each with an escort of 5-Burke-class destroyers. I wish I could supply better preparations but we are currently rennovating the armed forces and are currently in a strained state.

The F/A 18 squadron will be under the command of Commander Yersham of the Sidestreamer Air Force. Fleet Admiral Cardinale shall direct the Emberlight that will carry the Hornet squadron and the infantrymen. The Manitoba and the 40,000 miltiamen I will deploy with it, I trust to your command.

Also, for the duration of this war, the armies of the SNU shall have access to the port south of St. Jude City and at the Isle of Jenova, which are being prepared to harbor and supply allied ships. The Naval Station of the Altogether is also accessible for emergencies, but be aware that I need to keep my citizens calm and an excessive presence there would not be in the best interest of my capital populace.

OOC: This is my first war so I don't want to have too much on my hands...
OOC2: If you ever played the Elder Scrolls (any of them), I emulate my nation to look like Tarimel Province, with the Vvardenfell Island (Morrowind) being the Isle of Jenova (my most populated region, even though the entire region is under one government and no cities are formed), Cyrodiil being the Altogether (my capital), Rihad being St. Jude City, and my major Naval stations are located in the areas marked as Niberay, Alabaster, Vivec, Anvil, Daggerfall and Shimerene, although I haven't named them at this point... and. If you are not familiar with it, go here:

http://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/index.php?image=g/map_tamriel_large.jpg&p=faq

Emperor Maximus IV, on behalf of Catholics, Protestants, and Christians throughout our world, is here to establish the Moral Alliance.

We shall assemble here to defend Christian and Moral principles worldwide, establishing governments, regions and cultures that enforce Christian culture:

--Establishing the principle that life begins at conception;
--Establishing that marriage is between a man and a woman;
--Establishing that the only god is the Christian God, and Jesus Christ is the Son of our Lord;
--Establishing that humans and monkeys do not share a lineage, for God created Man in his image, not from the hairy apes
--Establishing the faith in men to rest on the Sabbath and worship our Lord, fear Him, and submit themselves to Christ.
--Establishing that the will of God is supreme, and no science shall subvert His will

This alliance shall defend these principles and maintain the Faith, encouraging trade between those who are Righteous and Holy.

I hope we, the Emperors, Presidents, Kings, Czars, Rulers, and Leaders under God can join in this inter-Regional alliance in love and support.

If you are interested in making any requests or negociations with the Moral Alliance, or if you are interested in joining, we invite you to our message board.
http://s9.invisionfree.com/NSMoralAlliance/index.php?act=idx


Emperor Maximus IV of the Empire of Sidestreamer



Official statement from first chairman Garithos of the United Socialist States of Relative Liberty, the USSRL.
Dear emperor Maximus IV of the Empire of Sidestreamer, I fart in your general direction while doing nasty and immoral things with myself.

The Commonwealth of Jagada will aid the Secular Nations Union (SNU) in its time of need. As I believe Jesus himself stated "Do unto others have you would have them do unto you."

Sadly. Jagada can only provide 1,000,000 troops, 100 Aircraft, 3 Aircraft Carriers (JGFS Silence, JGFS Jagada, JGFS Tribes), and several support ships for the carriers.

We do apologize for the lack of support we can give you. Also, out of the 1,000,000 soldiers we are able to sent. 150,000 of them are apart of Jagada elite "Crusader" divisons. We do hope this will be enough.

Official statement from first chairman Garithos of the United Socialist States of Relative Liberty, the USSRL.
Dear emperor Maximus IV of the Empire of Sidestreamer, I fart in your general direction while doing nasty and immoral things with myself.

Reading the short letter, written in crayon and addressed incorrectly to Maximus IV from The United Socialist States of Relative Liberty, Archbishop Veracos chuckles to himself...

I pity the citizens who have to live under the guidance of such a fetus.

Veracos tosses the letter into the document shredder and continues his work...

The SNU would call this a "bump." We call it, a redress :p

The secularists seek to destroy our moral traditions, spread godlessness, and impose THEIR faith in PC tolerance upon you! Join the resistance! Apply to the Moral Alliance today :)

The secularists seek to destroy our moral traditions, spread godlessness, and impose THEIR faith in PC tolerance upon you! Join the resistance! Apply to the Moral Alliance today :)

You have no right to spread the teachings of a religion which has no proof supporting it. One which is wholly based on faith, and if the people do not already have this faith then you are by no means in the right if you propose to enforce them.

I do not believe that you even have a cause here, let alone a 'moral alliance'. Moral? In whose eyes? In the eyes of the majority what you are doing is wrong. Most nations are secular. Accept it. It is the accepted form of governance, and while we would not end your theocratic regimes, you have no right to impose them upon us.

You have no right to spread the teachings of a religion which has no proof supporting it. One which is wholly based on faith, and if the people do not already have this faith then you are by no means in the right if you propose to enforce them.

I do not believe that you even have a cause here, let alone a 'moral alliance'. Moral? In whose eyes? In the eyes of the majority what you are doing is wrong. Most nations are secular. Accept it. It is the accepted form of governance, and while we would not end your theocratic regimes, you have no right to impose them upon us.

I believe you completely misunderstand our mission. We are not here to convert regimes, but rather to protect those who choose to serve a higher ruler, our Lord and Savior. Just read through the first few pages of this thread and see all the hostilities that have been directed at us for merely creating an outlet where we can defend our faith. We're only here to defend Christians amongst ourselves and humanities worldwide. In fact, we even joined the SNU's war against Coreys Land because it is our belief that Coreys Land has abused Christianity and is acting in malice by its assault on the SNU. So how are we forcing religion upon anyone? Arguably, some of us (my UN Ambassador in particular) is working to give us more national soverignty to practice our faith, but no one here is looking on declaring embargoes or war against those who support gay marriage.

God gave you the will to choose to accept and acknowledge Him. It is not our role to lead you to Him, but if you lead a nation that's already there or is interested in finding the way, we can help.

God gave you the will to choose to accept and acknowledge Him. It is not our role to lead you to Him, but if you lead a nation that's already there or is interested in finding the way, we can help.

It is you who seem to decide whether or not a nation is interested in finding 'the way'. Evangelism and the preservation of the Christian faith in itself has been deemed wrong by the Consortium of Thinkers in the Grand Duchy of Biggleses. By its very default, religion divides societies, evangelises and preserves its population in a medieval state.

I will not, however, suggest that you should change your ways. Just consider that not every nation can respect your Moral Alliance, and giving it such a name suggests that you believe the Christian Moral code to be the only one.

In itself, this is flammatory.

It is you who seem to decide whether or not a nation is interested in finding 'the way'. Evangelism and the preservation of the Christian faith in itself has been deemed wrong by the Consortium of Thinkers in the Grand Duchy of Biggleses. By its very default, religion divides societies, evangelises and preserves its population in a medieval state.

I will not, however, suggest that you should change your ways. Just consider that not every nation can respect your Moral Alliance, and giving it such a name suggests that you believe the Christian Moral code to be the only one.

In itself, this is flammatory.


But the only way to God is through His son...

So it shall be the Moral Alliance.

But the only way to God is through His son...

So it shall be the Moral Alliance.

There is no God, as far as I and my people are concerned. So this is no 'Moral Alliance' but a collection of Christian states. I do not perceive your Alliance to be a moral one, and neither do my people. Neither do many other nation states.

There is no God, as far as I and my people are concerned. So this is no 'Moral Alliance' but a collection of Christian states. I do not perceive your Alliance to be a moral one, and neither do my people. Neither do many other nation states.

So care to share with us your idea of morality without God? Granted you have a sense of Freedom having no responsibility to a supreme being, but when you stray from the straight path, what keeps you on? Or are you troubled by the wilderness?

So care to share with us your idea of morality without God? Granted you have a sense of Freedom having no responsibility to a supreme being, but when you stray from the straight path, what keeps you on? Or are you troubled by the wilderness?

No, we are not. We are guided by the wisdom of our best and brightest and inherent good of humanity. We have a responsibility, but to our people rather than a higher being.

If you continue your envagelism, The Grand Duchy of Biggleses shall launch a highly advanced nuclear warhead. The coordinates have already been punched in by our technicians, and missiles are aimed at the various members of the Moral Alliance in case of retaliatory action. Our Nuclear Defence System has been activated, and Biggleses is officially in a state of war.

If you suggest that we can not be moral without God, or attempt to evangelise us again then we shall launch.

No, we are not. We are guided by the wisdom of our best and brightest and inherent good of humanity. We have a responsibility, but to our people rather than a higher being.

If you continue your envagelism, The Grand Duchy of Biggleses shall launch a highly advanced nuclear warhead. The coordinates have already been punched in by our technicians, and missiles are aimed at the various members of the Moral Alliance in case of retaliatory action. Our Nuclear Defence System has been activated, and Biggleses is officially in a state of war.

If you suggest that we can not be moral without God, or attempt to evangelise us again then we shall launch.

My! You have accused us of forcing God down your throat, and for merely speaking, you're trying to shut us up with nuclear warheads?

I must ask you, why are you so threatened by mere words, if you think God is nonexistent? Where does the power of the verb warrant the response of nuclear physics and megadeath? I believe the side of rationality tells you to ease off the warheads, son! None of us have "evangelized" in your nation. You came to us to offer a criticism, we responded, you continued. You want to stop this conversation, the door is to your left.

--Archbishop Veracos, Chairman of the Moral Alliance
OOC:
Edit: should've looked at your profile. There's no way in hell your threats had any substance.

Why do religious theocracies feel the need to impose their religious governments on secular nations?

If you attack Biggleses, we will have all the excuse we need to declare war on you. Relations between our two governments is already in the cold zone. You don't want them to go hot.

Why do religious theocracies feel the need to impose their religious governments on secular nations?

If you attack Biggleses, we will have all the excuse we need to declare war on you. Relations between our two governments is already in the cold zone. You don't want them to go hot.

Biggleses will not attack, it was simply a threat. The Moral Alliance thinks it is the only 'moral' alliance? This seems very flammatory. Is not the UN just as much a moral alliance? is not the SNU?

Biggleses will not attack, it was simply a threat. The Moral Alliance thinks it is the only 'moral' alliance? This seems very flammatory. Is not the UN just as much a moral alliance? is not the SNU?

I realize you can't attack. I did a brief check on your economic data. There is no way you possess any atomic weapons.

Why do religious theocracies feel the need to impose their religious governments on secular nations?

If you attack Biggleses, we will have all the excuse we need to declare war on you. Relations between our two governments is already in the cold zone. You don't want them to go hot.

OOC: your character is quite contradictory. You commit genocide against atheists and liberals in your own country while forcing atheist children into retraining camps, then make a point of my Moral Alliance accusing us of forcing religion down other's throats?

Biggleses will not attack, it was simply a threat. The Moral Alliance thinks it is the only 'moral' alliance? This seems very flammatory. Is not the UN just as much a moral alliance? is not the SNU?
OOC: I was talking about Sidestreamers attacking you. If he attacks you I attack him.

OOC: your character is quite contradictory. You commit genocide against atheists and liberals in your own country while forcing atheist children into retraining camps, then make a point of my Moral Alliance accusing us of forcing religion down other's throats?
OOC: Our actions were intended to preserve religious freedom and ensure that people are not killed for their beliefs. Your actions on the other hand are designed to take religious freedom away.

As the Altek-ran Government of Afrika agress with all of you guidelines, we believe in allowing our citizens to worship as they chose. The fanitcal support Christ would cost more than it would help us impose our values on our people and other people. Many nations have already discovered this, and I disagree with being in an Alliance to protect Christ as each nation should do it on their own, according to their laws.

Madekonaddonapol de Caldecot, Viceroy of Ninevah, Afrika.

I realize you can't attack. I did a brief check on your economic data. There is no way you possess any atomic weapons.

OOC: Well, we do. How could you deduce this from economic data? Read the fact file on Biggleses.

OOC: Well, we do. How could you deduce this from economic data? Read the fact file on Biggleses.
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http://www.sunsetrpg.com/nsxmlparser.php

Biggleses's defense spending according to his nation size and economy is $2,215,356,472. He may be able to afford 2 thermoneuclear weapons, but after I withstand those attacks, I can just waltz right through his borders resisting little more than pitchforks from the rabble rousers.

As for you "fact book," that has got to be the most elegant piece of stupid GODMODing I've ever seen.

Sit back and learn how this game's done before you look like an idiot. Until then, keep off this thread.

Let's get the applications restarted!

The United Christian Capitalists of Roblicium request that their nation be accepted into the Moral Alliance as they virtually agree with everything they advocate.

The Monotheistic Republic

To: United Christian Capitalists of Roblicium
From: Alfred Rednight, Foreign Ministry

I regret to inform you that since the establishment of the Moral Alliance--that it as henceforth been dissolved due to Sidestreamer's unfortunate lack of time to properly deal with the alliance, along with Jagada's constant civil wars of the past.

However, the Republic is more than willing to ally with the United Christian Capitalists of Roblicium. Since Sidestreamer's unfortunate disappearance from the International Scene, the Republic has had to taken upon itself the overwhelming burden of trying to defend Christianity from heretic teachings, persecution, and a variety of things. To finally get another Christian ally would be a relief to the Republic.

From the desk of Emperor Octavious II, Ruler of Alta Vexus
A personal letter respectfully adressed to all those currently involved in this heated debate over morality and religion,

To all leaders, ambassadors, statesmen,etc. who currnetly hold this letter in your hands,

You hold in your grasp much more than a letter. You hold the power to end the suffering of millions. since this debate has started, all we at the parliament of Alta Vexus have heard the outcries of opposing governments over Christianity and morality and it has me very worried. I am not the youngest of emperors, nor am I the smartest, but I didn't write this letter as an application to join one of your alliances.

Moreover, I write this as a plea. Take a moment, my dear colleagues, to take a look around you. I know for many of you there's a war going on right now just outside your back door. If you're part of the moral alliance, I'm sure you're praying to Jesus Christ himself even as you read this that he will carry you through this war. But if you're the good Christians I believe you to be, take a step back for just a moment. Stop your prayers for victory and try a prayer for guidance. Do you really think that Jesus would want you to spread christianity through war and violence and nuclear warheads? The Christianity I learned about from my father was about love and kindness and compassion and forgiveness and the willingness to accept people from all walks of life.

On the other hand, if you're part of the SNU, I'm sure your scientists and scholars are all hard at work trying to design weaponry and technology to defeat your Christian adversaries. But if you all are the open-minded people I know you to be, then ask yourselves if you truly think it's open-minded to fight an idea and a whole other philisophical race of people just because they disagree with you.

My fellow nations, you can kill people. I'm sure you've killed millions so far and orphaned who knows how many children. You can kill people forever. But you will never kill an idea. No matter how many people you kill, you will never be able to control their thoughts or thier emotions or even their beliefs. Mass murder and constant war will do nothing for any of you. There will be no winner if this war continues, just endless and pointless death. Whatever you believe in, God or human wisdom or anything else ever worshipped, conceived, or invented in the history of human kind, if the bloodshed continues, then you all better start praying to it for protection, because soon your wars may even kill you.

With Utmost Gratitude,Sincerity and Hope for Peace,
Emperor Octavious II

The Monotheistic Republic

To: Emperor Octavious II
From: Alfred Rednight, Foreign Ministry

I believe you have misunderstood the Monotheistic Republic's statements in regards to the Moral Alliance--it is no more. The building which use to serve at the Alliance's meeting facility in Jagada has been closed down now for nearly forty years, and the Moral Alliance is but remebered by a few and has failed to even become a foot note in Republic history.

I would also like to remind you, with the upmost respect to your statements, that they are partly wrong. To my knowledge, no member of the former Moral Alliance, espically the Monotheistic Republic, has ever waged a Holy War, or Crusade has some prefer, in the name of God and Christianity. All wars involving religion that Jagada has fought in revolve around Freedom of Religion or Freedom in general, or prehaps freedom for all religions. Indeed, it is why we are the Monotheistic Republic and not the Christian Republic--we have tolerance for all.

Your statement about the killing or orphaning of millions is also inaccurate, to my knowledge the Secular Nations Union and the Moral Alliance has never fought one another, and neither organization has fought in the name of secularism and/or Christianity.

Though your statement does hold merit to the World in general and the Republic thanks you for your comments.

From the Holy and Venerated Parliament of Alta Vexus,

We thank all or any who have responded to our request for peace and deeply apologize for the lack of updated information. We would like to make it clear that all members of the new Monotheistic Republic as well as any other organization, no matter what its beliefs or customs, is welcome to set up an embassy in our beloved capitol and begin trade negotiations as soon as they see fit. We are a nation ever expanding through trade and diplomacy, and welcome all who read this to comtinue friendly relations with our nation.

End transmission.