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The Empire of Clarkestan, a nation of 45 million citizens, wishes to announce its presence on the world stage. Given the relatively small size of population, Clarkestan is a very economically powerful nation. Arms manufacturing and Beef Based agriculture are the two dominant industries in Clarkestan. Thanks to inflated spending, Clarkestan's military is highly advanced and top of the line, while upholding a policy of universal conscription for a period of three years, while those already through with their time remain in reserve units of varying states of readiness. The standing military stands at 4 million and increases proportionately with population increase. Private enterprise is unlimited while the government tries to keep income taxes as low as possible. A wealthy elite control the masses and have much influence over the average person. Private enterprise is relatively without limits and the individual is left to fend for himself. Clarkestan wishes to increase its international trade and is basically neutral to everyone at this point in time.

- The High Emperor of Clarkestan

Oh yeah, the start of another potential godmod... :rolleyes:

OCC: I use thirdgeek's economy calculator and population percentages to calculate my military strength. I won't godmode. While being new to the roleplaying thing, I won't overextend myself and if I do make unfair posts, I'm sure people will let me know and the user they're directed at will ignore them.

OOC: I do hope that 4 million are not all active... if so, that would be considered godmod. And even inactive, at your age, would really strain your nation. I would suggest 2 million for the time being, most of them not currently active, as I doubt you're in a war right now... ;)

OOC: I do hope that 4 million are not all active... if so, that would be considered godmod.Not really *Peers at puppet with ridiculous percentages* It would just mean that the military has to be... Appropriate. I.e. MiG 15 and Chinese AK knockoffs, with a loyality around the lines of 'Run, they have guns, too!'.

* W00ts imploded economy and regional warlords*

OOC: Universal conscription tends to yield large numbers, plus, my military budget is huge compared to everything else. It takes up over half of my nation's budget. My budget is in a deficit of about 6 billion dollars due to the spending, but my GDP is about 1/5 of my region's total income. My GDP is over a trillion dollars.

OOC: I do hope that 4 million are not all active... if so, that would be considered godmod. And even inactive, at your age, would really strain your nation. I would suggest 2 million for the time being, most of them not currently active, as I doubt you're in a war right now... ;)
They are not all active, no. 1 million are active and above 50% readiness, the rest are reserves of varying quality. (Those in the 45-55 year range are of the worst quality, those in the 22-30 range best quality reservists, etc.) I admit, I shouldn't have put "standing military". My bad. I can cut the reserves down to 1 million if it's considered godmodding?

Not really *Peers at puppet with ridiculous percentages* It would just mean that the military has to be... Appropriate. I.e. MiG 15 and Chinese AK knockoffs, with a loyality around the lines of 'Run, they have guns, too!'.

* W00ts imploded economy and regional warlords*
OOC: For someone of his nations age, it would be. 45 million people? That's nearly 10%, and at his age, he'd be bankrupt to try to train, arm, feed, pay, etc all those people, even if much of his nations money goes to the military.

As for cutting down your reservists, down to 2 or 2.5 million (and keeping it about that proportion to your population) would be ideal for now, until your nation gets on a roll. Though I might considering cutting down your active military, too, even if it's at "only" 1 million, during peace time. The US I believe doesn't have but like half of that active during peace time if I'm correct... I know there's people on here who could get the correct number, so whoever has it, please post it. I'm almost positive it's below 1 million, and that's for a 200+ million population nation. Let your country get on a roll first, then up the % of military. You're still pretty young. You need to take into consideration all the logistics. :)

Feel free to ask me any questions... I know most vets are more than willing to help you... we always are trying to improve everyone's RPing abilities to make this more fun... :)

OOC: For someone of his nations age, it would be. 45 million people? That's nearly 10%, and at his age, he'd be bankrupt to try to train, arm, feed, pay, etc all those people, even if much of his nations money goes to the military.I don't think you actually understood me... The scenario I was giving (The scenario I'm actually playing with one of my nations) looks like this:

1. Imploded economy. Lots of unemployment, corruption everywhere, starvation, plagues, crime skyrockets, various rebellious factions, constant civil warfare.

This results in

1.1 Training? What training? You give a kid or a potential criminal a gun, and you have a soldier. Warlords, regional structures, family bonds and widespread corruption to keep the nation together.

1.2 Arm? Well, cheap assault rifle knockoffs, tanks from 50 years ago, a tiny airforce, no ships larger than a frigate (If they actually have a frigate. Haven't made up my mind, yet). And an age- old frigate at that.

1.3 Feed? What do you think why they have guns and a vast, oppressed population? Really, be imaginative...

1.4 Pay? See 1.3 Replace 'Food' with 'Stuff'.

So, yes, it is possible. Of course, vast parts of this 'army' would be tiny groups, barely armed, trying to defend their villages (Think Uganda's 'Arrow Groups'. Hummm... I think it was Uganda...) Poorly trained mercenaries. Masses of abandoned guns lying around, eventually taken and used by 'gangs' made up of adolescent children trying to prevent their starving-to-death. And so on. Still, it's quite possible.

I don't think you actually understood me... The scenario I was giving (The scenario I'm actually playing with one of my nations) looks like this:

1. Imploded economy. Lots of unemployment, corruption everywhere, starvation, plagues, crime skyrockets, various rebellious factions, constant civil warfare.

This results in

1.1 Training? What training? You give a kid or a potential criminal a gun, and you have a soldier. Warlords, regional structures, family bonds and widespread corruption to keep the nation together.

1.2 Arm? Well, cheap assault rifle knockoffs, tanks from 50 years ago, a tiny airforce, no ships larger than a frigate (If they actually have a frigate. Haven't made up my mind, yet). And an age- old frigate at that.

1.3 Feed? What do you think why they have guns and a vast, oppressed population? Really, be imaginative...

1.4 Pay? See 1.3 Replace 'Food' with 'Stuff'.

So, yes, it is possible. Of course, vast parts of this 'army' would be tiny groups, barely armed, trying to defend their villages (Think Uganda's 'Arrow Groups'. Hummm... I think it was Uganda...) Poorly trained mercenaries. Masses of abandoned guns lying around, eventually taken and used by 'gangs' made up of adolescent children trying to prevent their starving-to-death. And so on. Still, it's quite possible.

The problem with that is that you forgot one part of the scenario he stated:

...Clarkestan's military is highly advanced and top of the line...

With that statement in mind, that's where I'm having trouble with. Yes, your scenario is fine and workable, but his statement throws a money in the wrench...

I see that, yes, and I would disagree, too. Your original statement however, was kinda universal, ('I do hope that 4 million are not all active... if so, that would be considered godmod.'), and that is what I went against :P