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Canadair CF-24 Falcon (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e2/300px-MiG35_line.gif)

The East Canadian Air Force have issued a requirement for a new fighter capable of the following:

-Speeds comparable to fighters such as the Typhoon and F-22
-Stealth capability
-Ability to fulfill both interceptor and ground attack roles
-Thrust vectoring
-Supersonic cruise

Many designs were submitted, but, in the end, the Canadair CF-24 "Falcon" was chosen because, in the words of Defence Minister James Klein, "The Falcon offers capability the airforce needs at a price acceptable to the Canadian taxpayer." ECAF have ordered 175 so far for testing and service, with more orders expected.

SPECIFICATIONS

DIMENSIONS
Crew: One (Pilot)
Length: 62.4 ft
Wingspan: 89.6 ft
Height: 49.3 ft

PERFORMANCE
Powerplant: 2x Orenda OE-45 Turbines (40,000 lbf thrust each)
Maximum (Afterburner) Speed: Mach 2.6 (1,720 mph)
Maximum (Supercruise) Speed: Mach 2.0
Range: 2,500 miles
Service Ceiling: 65,000 feet
Rate of Climb: 50,000 ft/min


WEAPONS
Internal Gun: One 30mm Cannon
Maximum weapon/fuel capacity: 22,000 lbs (Internal)
Weapons: Because of the Falcon's advanced construction, it is designed to accept most missiles and bombs in service with air forces today, a tribute to its engineering brilliance.

Cost: $57,000,000 per unit

Canadair CF-24 Falcon (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e2/300px-MiG35_line.gif)

The East Canadian Air Force have issued a requirement for a new fighter capable of the following:

-Speeds comparable to fighters such as the Typhoon and F-22
-Stealth capability
-Ability to fulfill both interceptor and ground attack roles
-Thrust vectoring
-Supersonic cruise


Looks like a good fighter. However, Id like to point out that neither the F-22 or the Typhoon are the fastest attack planes out there. Hell, the F-15 and MiG-29M would beat them heands down.

Looks like a good fighter. However, Id like to point out that neither the F-22 or the Typhoon are the fastest attack planes out there. Hell, the F-15 and MiG-29M would beat them heands down.

OOC: In any case, they're the most modern ones and probably most likely to be proliferated (sp?)- so we decided to compare to them. I think the Falcon would also outclass the MiG-29m and F-15 easily, as well

OOC: In any case, they're the most modern ones and probably most likely to be proliferated (sp?)- so we decided to compare to them. I think the Falcon would also outclass the MiG-29m and F-15 easily, as well

OOC Unfortunatly, thats not true. Acordding to globalaircraft.org, the F-15 has a top speed of Mach 2.5, the MiG-29 a top speed of Mach 2.3, and the Falcon with a top speed of only Mach 2.0.

IC Einhauser would like to purchase three of these fine aircraft for evaluation and testing.

OOC Unfortunatly, thats not true. Acordding to globalaircraft.org, the F-15 has a top speed of Mach 2.5, the MiG-29 a top speed of Mach 2.3, and the Falcon with a top speed of only Mach 2.0.

IC Einhauser would like to purchase three of these fine aircraft for evaluation and testing.

OOC: As I just put, the Falcon has a top speed of Mach 2.6

IC:

Your order has been confirmed for $171,000,000, and we will begin work promptly.

OOC: As I just put, the Falcon has a top speed of Mach 2.6

IC:

Your order has been confirmed for $171,000,000, and we will begin work promptly.

OOC oh! You meant YOUR plane! I thought you meant the F-16 Fighting Falcon, lol.

IC Money will be wired immediatly.

How fast can the Falcon go without afterburner?

How fast can the Falcon go without afterburner?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercruise

The Falcon, which is capable of Supercruise, does not need an afterburner.

I know what supercruise is. Theoretically you can accelerate beyond the max supercruising speed using afterburner.

ooc: I was assuming 2.6 was afterburner as well, 5 civ nation. 2.6 is a little fast for factors on the canards as they would have tremedous stress placed on them at those speeds I'd be curious to know what materials you used to negate wrinkeling as it's never a good thing to over speed a controll surface (assuming that the entire canard moves and not just the trailing edge) also will this fighter be carrier compatible ( it may be asking to much for a country with no such vessels to design such a fighter but you never know it could be an export item) none the less,

Ic: a purchasing team has been sent to Canada to negotiate the lease of five such aircraft for evaluation. Thank you and we look forward to meeting with your delagates.

Krulltor

Standard supercruise should be less than Mach 2.

ooc: I was assuming 2.6 was afterburner as well, 5 civ nation. 2.6 is a little fast for factors on the canards as they would have tremedous stress placed on them at those speeds I'd be curious to know what materials you used to negate wrinkeling as it's never a good thing to over speed a controll surface (assuming that the entire canard moves and not just the trailing edge) also will this fighter be carrier compatible ( it may be asking to much for a country with no such vessels to design such a fighter but you never know it could be an export item) none the less,

Ic: a purchasing team has been sent to Canada to negotiate the lease of five such aircraft for evaluation. Thank you and we look forward to meeting with your delagates.

Krulltor

OOC: East Canada is in no way related to the real Canada's military- we're quite armed and dangerous

IC: We are expecting to recieve your delegation soon- we're glad you've expressed an interest in the Falcon

Standard supercruise should be less than Mach 2.

OOC: I read that standard MiG-35 speed was projected to be around Mach 2.6- so that's what I went with

Please note the PROJECTED.

okay..so it is projected. I see no reason why that shouldn't have been true, tbh.

I wish to purchase 10,000 of these for a total of $570,000,000,000. I will wire the funds immediately upon confirmation of this order.

-Generalissimo J.L.

I wish to purchase 10,000 of these for a total of $570,000,000,000. I will wire the funds immediately upon confirmation of this order.

-Generalissimo J.L.

Confirmed. Canadair is very pleased indeed that they have recieved a large foriegn order- truly a testament to the hard work of Canadair engineers. We will begin production immediately. However, due to the large order, we would like to enquire as to whether or not we could set up factories in your nation to help process this order, which is competing with the ECAF's in terms of sheer volume.

-Canadair

Generalissmo, I thank you for choosing East Canadian goods- if you should need any aid at all in a war or things like that, don't hesitate to call Ottawa. We'll be there to help.

-Prime Minister Colin Graves

Confirmed. Canadair is very pleased indeed that they have recieved a large foriegn order- truly a testament to the hard work of Canadair engineers. We will begin production immediately. However, due to the large order, we would like to enquire as to whether or not we could set up factories in your nation to help process this order, which is competing with the ECAF's in terms of sheer volume.

-Canadair

Generalissmo, I thank you for choosing East Canadian goods- if you should need any aid at all in a war or things like that, don't hesitate to call Ottawa. We'll be there to help.

-Prime Minister Colin Graves

Thank you. Likewise, if you are ever in need of assistance, please let me know, and I shall do what I can.

-Generalissimo J.L.

OOC: I am interested in this design because it looks good, is simple to understand, and is clearly described. I have one question, however: What would you classify this fighter as? Would it be an ADF, more of a dogfighter, more of a multi-role (like a JAS-39), or something else?

Also, are there any limitations on who can purchase these aircraft, such as Earth memberships, etc.?

OOC: I am interested in this design because it looks good, is simple to understand, and is clearly described. I have one question, however: What would you classify this fighter as? Would it be an ADF, more of a dogfighter, more of a multi-role (like a JAS-39), or something else?

Also, are there any limitations on who can purchase these aircraft, such as Earth memberships, etc.?

OOC: I would classify it as a multirole. Oh, and no limits on who can purchase this.

OOC: Thanks!

IC:

The Department of Defense of the Federative Commonwealth of Armany is interested in procuring three CF-24's for further evaluation. The total amount of $171,000,000 will be wired to the Canadian Union upon confirmation of the order. Thank you.

Signed:
Larry Mitchell
Secretary of Defense, The Federative Commonwealth of Armany

OOC: Thanks!

IC:

The Department of Defense of the Federative Commonwealth of Armany is interested in procuring three CF-24's for further evaluation. The total amount of $171,000,000 will be wired to the Canadian Union upon confirmation of the order. Thank you.

Signed:
Larry Mitchell
Secretary of Defense, The Federative Commonwealth of Armany

OOC: My apologies for not getting back earlier, I was out for a long time

IC:

Canadair have confirmed the Armanian order, and the fighters will be built and shipped upon reception of funds.

...Purchase Order. 1,000 CF-24 "Falcon" & Production Rights if possible @ Unknow Price > Required Urgently > Ministry of Defense, Federal Socialist Republic of Hrstrovokia <Confirm?>End.

...Purchase Order. 1,000 CF-24 "Falcon" & Production Rights if possible @ Unknow Price > Required Urgently > Ministry of Defense, Federal Socialist Republic of Hrstrovokia <Confirm?>End.

We can provide you with 1,000 fighters- but not production rights at this time. Parliament must debate that.

It looks strangely similar to Mig-3.5. Hmmmmmmmm...

OOC: My apologies for not getting back earlier, I was out for a long time

IC:

Canadair have confirmed the Armanian order, and the fighters will be built and shipped upon reception of funds.

OOC: That's cool, I'm in no hurry.

IC: The Arman Treasury has wired the funds to Canadian Union authorities and would like to inquire as to the amount of time for construction to take place, if any construction is neccessary for such a small order.

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Hello,the government of The Fogarty wishes to purchase 10 CF-24 Falcons for research and evaluation.Also the fogarty wishes to know if you would permit us to make modifications on the plane if we find any that we would like to put on.

Sincerely,
Thomas Fogarty
Minister of Defense.

OOC: I've said this before numerous times, and I'll say it again. Very high speeds and supercruise are mutually exclusive, especially in stealthy aircraft. Supercruise is achieved through low-bypass turbofans, which receive less of a boost from afterburning, and produce comparatively less thrust in general compared to high-bypass turbofans. Supercruise, due to engine and airframe limitations, is generally going to be around Mach 1.2-1.6 . The higher the top speed, the lower the supercruise speed, as that higher speed comes from a higher-bypass ratio. Really, the only current Mach 2+ aircraft with supercruise only cruise at Mach 1.2-1.3, while slower ones do Mach 1.4-1.5. There's a balance that has to be struck there.
There is a way to get around this, but it's problematic in itself, and will completely kill any stealth features, and that's to have an oversized engine (think MiG-25/31), which requires huge, unstealthy intakes and control surfaces, and will kill any chance of internally stored weapons. Provide at your own risk.

As for the "MiG-35" the projected speeds I've seen are all in the range of Mach 2.25-2.35 (2400-2500 km/h) with a Mach 1.15-1.2 supercruise (1225-1275 km/h). I've never seen any statement saying that the aircraft could go Mach 2.6, nor has there ever been any indication of a Mach 2 supercruise.
Additionally, the dimensions are way off. For a high-speed aircraft, the length will always exceed the wingspan, and you'll rarely see any fighter much more than 20 ft tall, let alone 40+.
Finally, an aircraft that size with an internal weapons bay, by default, will be unable to carry a large portion of available missiles that otherwise might be carried, as they just won't be able to fit in. For example, you won't see this lugging around the air-launched version of the Yakhont and Harpoon, and the AGM-130, all of which can be dropped by an Su-27 or F-15. In fact, the F-22 can't even carry a 2000 lb class bomb.

Hello,the government of The Fogarty wishes to purchase 10 CF-24 Falcons for research and evaluation.Also the fogarty wishes to know if you would permit us to make modifications on the plane if we find any that we would like to put on.

Sincerely,
Thomas Fogarty
Minister of Defense.

Order confirmed. We shall begin work immediately.

-James Klein
Minister of National Defence

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The Armed Republic of Ardessia would like to order 500 CF-24 Falcon's. The total comes to: 28,500,000,000 billion. Money will be sent once order is confirmed.

- Ryan .M
Minister of Defense

Order confirmed. We're glad to do business with you.

-James Klein
Minister of National Defence

The Federal Republic of Canada requests permission to have access to the blueprints of the Canadair CF-24 Falcon to construct our own aircraft of this model to decrease our unemployment in the aero-defense industry.

Government Statement

East Canada is happy to give our closest ally the blueprints for the Falcon. We encourage the growth of the FRC's aerospace industry, and hope that these plans will be of help.

-James Klein
Minister of National Defence