NationStates Jolt Archive


What's with all the OOC bad feelings?

The Zoogie People
16-03-2005, 22:49
Way too many roleplays have deterioated due to bad OOC feelings and arguments. Look around. All the time - OOC accusations, godmodding, whatever. Naturally, there is no weilding of thirty-foot tall maneating giants allowed anywhere, save for a fantasy RP, but seriously, guys - chill. It's just a game. Walk outside. Poke a bee hive or two. There are more important things to life than Nationstates.

No, really, there are.

Come on. This isn't General. There, flame wars are understandable. Not acceptable, but understandable. Here? It's a game. You are playing with a virtual nation. Nothing - nothing is at stake. So what gives?

When a nation is invaded and conquered, what happens? What's to stop you from picking up right where you left off two weeks later and start roleplaying as if nothing's happened? Why can't it be that way? There is nothing at stake. The winners gain nothing tangible, and the losers lose nothing tangible. When the last of your forces raise up the white flag, that doesn't have to take away your right to roleplay.

Correct me if I'm wrong. A roleplay is supposed to be a fun, enjoyable experience. Win or lose, your nation in its ideal (i.e, peacetime, non-destroyed ) state doesn't have to be affected. You don't die, physically (at least, I hope not.) This isn't the real world. You have the opportunity yo shake hands afterwards, congratulate each other, blah, blah. All that is taken from a roleplay is enjoyment. Not new lands to hold as yours forever. As the NS FAQ states, 'what is winning, grasshopper?' How does one 'win?' How does one 'lose?' Neither can happen.

Suppose another nation, called Cherubdom, decided to invade Zoogiedom. Cherubdom's forces are legion and quite terrific. They defeat Zoogiedom, pillage its cities, nuke its military bases, and rape all its citizenry. Zoogiedom surrenders in utter defeat and ruin. Cherubdom adds a win to its dossier. Zoogiedom adds a loss. A few days later, Zoogiedom goes on roleplaying, as if nothing had happened.

Isn't that system so much easier? - so much more relaxed? - so much more enjoyable? Aren't having fun and weaving tales that are enjoyable to read the whole point, rather than winning all the time?
Inkana
16-03-2005, 22:57
Wow, you have a point ther Zoogie. Good job, we should all listen to you.
Shenyang
16-03-2005, 23:17
Not that you can hear it, but right now I'm applauding you.
I admit that I have been in my fair share of flame wars in II. But your philosophy is truely a good idea. I plan to implement those ideas from now on, their just that good.
Malkyer
16-03-2005, 23:18
Bravo, Zoogie!
Jenrak
16-03-2005, 23:21
I guess what happens sometimes is that alot of people tend to rub it in. They win, and they bring it over to another RP, especially if the person they beat is also in it...the opposite happens for the people who lose. They don't take it very well, or ignores people and such...

Anyways, that's just me talking. :rolleyes:

On another note, Zoogie, you're an inspiration to us all
Borman Empire
16-03-2005, 23:30
I hate you Zoogie! No but seriously, you're right. I've been in and witnessed 2 really good RPs go down the toilet becuase of OOC bickering.
Ramissle
16-03-2005, 23:49
Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends.........
Personally, I've only been in three major war RP's, and they ended without OOC arguments just because I didn't care at all. But you are definatly right, people need to lighten up.
Roach-Busters
16-03-2005, 23:51
Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends.........
Personally, I've only been in three major war RP's, and they ended without OOC arguments just because I didn't care at all. But you are definatly right, people need to lighten up.

Yeah, all this OOC hostility is taking a lot of fun out of the game. :(
The Fedral Union
16-03-2005, 23:54
The Zoogie People are actually right . rps turn in to flame fest’s godmoddeing fests and get locked because of that , but I suppose it was always that way just no one has played any attention to it until now…
The Zoogie People
17-03-2005, 03:01
I hate you Zoogie! No but seriously, you're right. I've been in and witnessed 2 really good RPs go down the toilet becuase of OOC bickering.

"Fine!" snarled Dailey, using his amazing ability to hop out of ICness into OOCness. "No hugs for you!"

;)


Yeah, all this OOC hostility is taking a lot of fun out of the game.


Hey. Don't you think about leaving, too. The roaches would take over.

Thanks all. I'm almost positive this has been raised before. It might just be II. *shrug*
Green Sun
17-03-2005, 03:05
I've always wanted to be part of this huge war RP, but none of them kick off. Can't we just take a reason and go from there? Every major war RP should have an equal number of nations and the number of people in it should be restricted. These huge RPs in which people pile up on one another is just stupid. I usually leave them when that happens.
No endorse
17-03-2005, 03:09
THANK YOU! I know too many RPers who completly loose sight of this.
Borman Empire
17-03-2005, 03:12
"Fine!" snarled Dailey, using his amazing ability to hop out of ICness into OOCness. "No hugs for you!"

;)

"NO!!! HUGS!!! I was joking! Sorry!"
Green Sun
17-03-2005, 03:20
I really think people should stop dogpiling. It's really annoying.
Sllabecaps
17-03-2005, 03:23
Hmmm I think Allanices are WAY too easy to comeby. I think there sude be alout less and small allanices. this would also fix the problem of dog dogpiling.
The White Nations
17-03-2005, 03:27
I think that the whole OOC concept ruins more things than just the games. I have found myself in this situation before, getting in giant arguements that really have nothing to do with the concept of the game. Of course, we are all human and we are all stubborn and opinionated, so it's bound to never stop.

But I agree completely, and in character we need to act mature and refrain from name-calling (another issue I've had a problem with). It's immature and I SERIOUSLY doubt that you will see any major real-life politician look at another politician and call him/her a 'n00b' or a 'jerk-face'.

Although that would be quite funny.
The White Nations
17-03-2005, 03:30
I really think people should stop dogpiling. It's really annoying.

I know I'm new so I'm going to get the questions out of the way, what is dogpiling in accordance to alliances?
The Zoogie People
17-03-2005, 03:39
I think that the whole OOC concept ruins more things than just the games. I have found myself in this situation before, getting in giant arguements that really have nothing to do with the concept of the game. Of course, we are all human and we are all stubborn and opinionated, so it's bound to never stop.

But I agree completely, and in character we need to act mature and refrain from name-calling (another issue I've had a problem with). It's immature and I SERIOUSLY doubt that you will see any major real-life politician look at another politician and call him/her a 'n00b' or a 'jerk-face'.

Although that would be quite funny.

Ha. Ha. Ha. :)

Politicians? Mature? ;)

As for dogpiling, I'm pretty sure that is the practice of pulling in every alliance you're in into a war.
The White Nations
17-03-2005, 03:41
Ha. Ha. Ha. :)

Politicians? Mature? ;)

As for dogpiling, I'm pretty sure that is the practice of pulling in every alliance you're in into a war.

I stand corrected. LOL
Nellisland
17-03-2005, 03:45
OOC: Someone using the word n00b incorrectly...sounds like me...I too have been immature in some of OOC posts...I now intend to be a lot nicier in them...not just to look good but for the bettermeant of the game...by the sorry for the OOC bickering yesterday (:
Anarresa
17-03-2005, 15:50
*a well deserved bump*
Roach-Busters
17-03-2005, 16:58
bump
Green Sun
17-03-2005, 16:59
I'm just going to stick to my one, small FT alliance. I'm not going to participtae in alliances bigger than 8 members. Too much crap with bigger alliances.
The Zoogie People
17-03-2005, 21:46
Green Sun, didn't you use to be in NATO?