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Since time inmemorial the main school of throught behind tank guns has been, "Bigger!" On the other hand, the Imperial Army is of the opinion that the practical limit of turreted main guns is probably 150mm. It is also of the opinion that the more practical and cheaper upgrade path is simply upping the velocity. However, even that is becoming problematic, because Imperial tank guns are close to reaching the practical limit of 2.6 km/s.

With that in mind, the Imperial Army decided to embark upon a limited gun upgrade program, focusing entirely on its Heavy Battle Tank. A minimum velocity of 2.5 km/s was the established short term goal of the program, with the possibility of further R&D if the program could be completed successfully was hinted at. After many years of often tedious work by the R&D labs of both the Imperial Army and AVS, a solution was found that would allow the Vapire to mount an even more potent gun. The solution was simple; tighter barrel tolerances, a more efficient metal to plasma conversion process, and a slightly larger disk allowed for reliable velocities at the required limit, and oft times spikes as high a 2.55 km/s in the best of conditions.

The end result is roughly 23.74 million joules delivered on target and an equivilant RHA penetration of 2,966mm. Previously the 135mm gun of the Vampire delivered 21.63 million joules and penetrated 2,734mm of Rolled Homogenous Armour. A modest improvement to be sure, but every Imperial tanker is aware of the fact that every millimeter of penetration matters in a battlefield where he who fires first kills first.

Since time inmemorial the main school of throught behind tank guns has been, "Bigger!" On the other hand, the Imperial Army is of the opinion that the practical limit of turreted main guns is probably 150mm. It is also of the opinion that the more practical and cheaper upgrade path is simply upping the velocity. However, even that is becoming problematic, because Imperial tank guns are close to reaching the practical limit of 2.6 km/s.

With that in mind, the Imperial Army decided to embark upon a limited gun upgrade program, focusing entirely on its Heavy Battle Tank. A minimum velocity of 2.5 km/s was the established short term goal of the program, with the possibility of further R&D if the program could be completed successfully was hinted at. After many years of often tedious work by the R&D labs of both the Imperial Army and AVS, a solution was found that would allow the Vapire to mount an even more potent gun. The solution was simple; tighter barrel tolerances, a more efficient metal to plasma conversion process, and a slightly larger disk allowed for reliable velocities at the required limit, and oft times spikes as high a 2.55 km/s in the best of conditions.

The end result is roughly 23.74 million joules delivered on target and an equivilant RHA penetration of 2,966mm. Previously the 135mm gun of the Vampire delivered 21.63 million joules and penetrated 2,734mm of Rolled Homogenous Armour. A modest improvement to be sure, but every Imperial tanker is aware of the fact that every millimeter of penetration matters in a battlefield where he who fires first kills first.


((I think you should make the Vampire able to suck blood from its target.))

[Since you're obviously new here, I'm not going to rip you a new one, especially considering that your comment was kinda amusing. In the future, don't comment in threads unless you have something of substance to contribute to the IC or OOC discussion, okay?]

OOC: Hmm, interesting. You also thinking about something like an armour upgrade or an electronics upgrade? Also would be pretty nice to either have a modular weapon mount or a remote turret for things like .50cals and auto grenade launchers for urban combat.

On the otehr hand, are you considering to possibly offer it for export to other allied nations? I'm thinking about an army expansion soon (which will involve increasing the number of heavy armour divisions), and this tank is probably the one I'm looking for to counter the recent wide-spread sale and poliferation of other heavy armoured tanks.

Is there a specific price? Is there a page to find the original tanks stats? Possibly a picture?

Or are you just bragging about your newest toy?

[Omz, yeah I'll export it to allies, with the same package as the Imperial Army has. All of my tanks recieved an armour upgrade, but I haven't calculated the new stats. I'll get back to you on that.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7826074&postcount=17

Lesser Scythia: Sorry, there's no export version of this tank. And this is an FYI thread so I can quickly reference things should the need arise.

This is a nice tank, Scandinavian. A little too, well, good for my tastes, but nonetheless a capable and lethal fighting machine by my standards.

*Drives away in T-55*

Hmm...do you think I could perhaps aquire some of these guns to stick on gunboats?

Lesser Scythia: Sorry, there's no export version of this tank. And this is an FYI thread so I can quickly reference things should the need arise.[/QUOTE]


Wise ministers of the Scandavian States I greet thee.

I know little about such things as war and weapons and view such displays of power as childish. But there is wisdom in such displays. Pride in your people and a warning to thy enemys are needed in any country.

My minister of defence seemed impressed with your statistics. But informed me that higher volocity was acheved in our weapons by going back to smooth bore guns. Also using fin stabilized rounds with a disguarding sabot. Our armor penitration is not as impressive as your own. But with the use of our new laser guided smart round, we can always get the first shot.

Just a childish display on this ones part. I bid thee aloha.

To whom it may concern in Lalani Slaaneshi,

To the best of the Imperium's considerable knowledge, and that of its allies, the top speed of a sabot round fired from a smoothbore gun using conventional powder charges is roughly 1.8 kilometers per second. Indeed, top speed and penetration figures of the Vampire are for sabots fired from smoothbore guns.


[LRR, sorry, don't sell individual tank turrets. Besides which, these wouldn't exactly make good naval artillery. However, I have a program which can come up with some stats for a naval arty gun for your gunboats, just let me know what you need.]

OOC: That's nice. Current requirement for my army sets in the range of 2600-2800 tanks for 7-8 divisions, including a portion for attrition reserve. If you want, this deal could also include the shipment of things like osmium, tungsten, and uranium to you (I have a large mining industry) for a reduced price. I'll also be getting the fighter of mine over by or shortly after spring break (next week).

[Thing is, I have all of those things in abundance. However, if you have lots of alumina, that'd be great, because the frames of my tanks are made out of a superceramic that uses alumina. Do that and you can cut the price of the tanks be 1/10.]

OOC: If you mean aluminum oxide, then that's not a problem with my fairly large reserves of bauxite, and the necessary facilities to make use of them. /OOC

As the Omzian government and military expresses a strong interest in the products of the armaments industries of allied Scandavian States, we send our congratulation for an exceptional example of an instrument of armoured warfare. As the Omzian military is seeking ways to counter the wide-spread poliferations of heavy armoured vehicles around the world (which may threat Omzian allies and even Omz itself), and as the Omzian government and military places their trust on their counterparts at Scandavian States following a series of successful aircraft technology trades, the Omzian government wishes to propose the following:

-The purchase of a total of 3,100 units of the M2A1 Vampire MBT, with the gun and armour packages installed. However, it is wished that a series of modifications would take place. One would be the removal of the Korento ATGM launchers, in which the Omzian Army has deemed it to be unnecessary for service in the Omzian military, according to Omzian requirements. However, a series of additions would also take place, taking advantage of the freed-up space, which will include the installation of active defence suites (to protect the tank against ATGMs and HEAT warheads) of imported designs, and an additional external weapon mount for a .50 cal machine gun or an automatic grenade launcher.

-The purchase of additional maintenance and support equipment for the 3,100 units, which will be employed in a total of up to 9 divisions, including 2-3 for the elite Honour Guard formations.

With this, as well, we would expect the deal to involve the shipment of additional (processed) alumina and bauxite to the arms contractors and military of Scandavian States. As we wish for the deal to successfully result in a solidification of the bonds between Scandavian States and the Omzian Democratic Republic, we are eagerly awaiting for a response.

Regards,

Omzian Ministry of National Defence,
Omzain Democratic Republic

Weapon Systems Procurement Office,
Omzian Army,
Omzian Forces

Procurement Department,
His Omzian Excellency's Omzian Honour Guard,
Omzian National Guard

[LRR, sorry, don't sell individual tank turrets. Besides which, these wouldn't exactly make good naval artillery. However, I have a program which can come up with some stats for a naval arty gun for your gunboats, just let me know what you need.]

OCC: Well, the Robotstani Navy generally intends to use its gunboats in the direct-fire role against enemy forces in support of landing craft, so tank turrets are somewhat common forms of armement aboard these gunboats. They're supposed to be essentially floating tanks, and wheather this is a good or horrible idea has never been tested.

A codified naval artillery system would be useful, however, since RN boats are armed with a very wide range of weaponry. Such a system would preferably be a mortar, with a range of at least 15 kilometers and fast reload time.

OOC: Well, not in a hurry really, but on the one-month anniversary, a small bump in case SS did not have a chance to look at the order. Thanks.

[consider it confirmed]