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In a surprise announcement today, Prime Minister Jesse Obed of Quinntonia held an address from the Oval Office, this comes on the eve of the expected announcement of the historic Lavragerian Peace Treaty that is to be the product of weeks of hard negotiations that were held in Washington, D.C. (Domini Christi) This is also following the calling up of two phases of reserves and the mobilization and massing of Quinntonian military elements on the Western Coast and near Quinntonian Dra-pol in response to the threatened blockade of Hamhung by the Lyong powers in cooperation with the CPRD. And, may be in response to the news that France’s King Louis XX has officially expelled all Quinntonians and Britons in France, and cut diplomatic ties to both nations, and outlawed Protestantism, leading to massive arrests in that nation.

“My fellow Quinntonians, it is at the end of a very hard month that I come to you. There have been many things that have happened in the world, and there have been many hard decisions to be made. I have had to put our navy in harms way. Even now, the South Pacific Fleet is engaging a rogue Tsarist fleet of aging Russian battleships in the Pacific, who were intervening on the behalf of the now deposed King of Tord, the war criminal King Glenn. It has come to my attention that the whole scene has been precipitated by the actions of King Louis XX of France. French, Hindustani and now Russian lives have been lost in this conflict.
In recent months, we had seen tensions rise in and around the Protectorate of Quinntonian Dra-pol. That poor nation is surrounded on all sides by hostile foreign powers. But we will stand with those regional powers against imperialism, wherever it may crop up.
On the other side of the world, a nuclear missile was detonated on Russian soil, a bloody end to the Russian Civil War, and the terrible birthing of a new Tsarist nation. Quinntonian peacekeepers have been leant to our friends the Russians in order that they may maintain order and quell the violence that we have seen in that poor, embattled nation. We as Quinntonians pledge to support Republican Russia in all of its democratic ventures and will continue to help it achive what its people dream of achieving, freedom.
The eastern European country of Lavrageria was engulfed in a war that even now claims lives, though the peace process has made incredible progress. A French Fleet stood off against our NATO allies, the British, and we had to publically show our support, and if meeded, will support our allies through military action, may God grant that it does not come to pass.
These happen just months after the Bonstock crisis, where nuclear weapons were used in combat just before that violent and evil country collapsed in on itself and splintered.
My fellow Quinntonians, it is in this world, hostile to freedom and hostile to the Gospel of Jesus Christ that we must make our way. And we have always been able to use our home, protected by the natural defensive barriers imposed by the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans that we can retreat to and continue our good works in the world.
But this is the age of technology. And evil men may try and use this technology, these wonderful gifts of God, and use them for a grim and evil purpose. ICBMs can reach the North American continent. Cities in the very heartland of Quinntonia are now vulnerable to nuclear weapon attack. And we have now been shown that there are governments and rogues out there who would be wiling to use them against God’s people.
It is in this climate of unrest that the government of France has now forcibly removed all Quinntonians and British from their soil, cut all diplomatic ties, thrown our diplomatic teams from Versialles, and declared Protestantism illegal. As of today, it is against the law in France to worship Jesus in anything but a Catholic way.
The government of Quinntonia, in conjunction with The Council of Bishops, is now issuing a formal complaint to the Vatican, on behalf of the 45 million Catholics that reside in Quinntonia. We are asking for a statement condemning this, and especially condemning the re-institution of the horrible institution known as the Inquisition. If Louis does not immediately repent of this grevious sin, we are asking for full ex-communication of all France by the Vatican, something that was already done once, during the French Revolution. I call upon all the people of the world to keep the oppressed people of France in your prayers, and may God let the martyrs that are sure to follow this announcement, die with the name of Jesus on their lips.
With this, and understanding that many of these nations are fully ready and capable of launching nuclear weapons into our sovereign territory, I am now announcing the launch of Project: Shield of Faith. This is an fully integrated missile defense system, that will utilize NORAD systems and a fully modern and comprehensive system of early detection satellites in order that our armed forces will be able to spot incoming WMDs and nuclear weapons using Inter-Continental Ballistic delivery systems. Al of these warning systems will allow our next line of defense, a missile interception grid, to find, and destroy tha missile before it ever gets to Quinntonia. This massive military undertaking has been a top-secret Pentagon project for several years now, even before it was discovered that Dra-pol had nuclear capabilities and has been the largest military endeavor ever undertaken by Quinntonia during peace-time, dwarfing even The Westgaard Line. This system will not be perfect, and we may still be vulnerable to unwarranted missile attacks. However, it will help. It will help to protect you, my people, and our closest neighbours, Mexico and Hudecia. Their sovereignty will not be compromised, and no grid units will be deployed into the territory, but we will take steps to stop missiles even if the are not aiming for us.
This will not include the militization of space, though we have integrated satellite systems, they are in no way armed for offensive capabilities. I hoped that we could hold off on this launch, but Project: Shield of Faith is our latest, best hope for security, and I will use whatever means necessary to protect and defend my nation. Thank you, good night.”


WWJD
Amen.

(Hm, interesting method of summing-up, good work.)

The command arms of the Igovian People's Soviet Defence Forces saw some mild consternation at the announcement of the Quinntonian Shield of Faith, which some Generals and Soviet representatives see as robbing the ISCBG of a strategic advantage long enjoyed thanks to Red Sky and Arawn. Civilian representations have been more positive in regard to the ostensibly defensive programme, and even the military Soviets and the People's Kosmonautical Co-operative have expressed relief on hearing that the Quinntonian missile shield does not call for the militarisation of space. This is something that the ISCBG has long been flirting with, but has stopped short of engaging in whole-heartedly, using 'limpet-mine' micro-orbiters to attack Bonstockian satellites but avoiding the deployment or even development of orbital strategic weapons of any sort.

Though Beth Gellert has no surviving Christian institutions of any sort, Portmeirion has broadly speaking joined Washington in criticism of the French decision to outlaw Protestant practices while continuing to nurture the Catholic. Rather than concern for any abstract concept such as freedom of worship, however, the Igovian contention is with what Beddgelens see as a policy of demon-creation and divide-and-rule politics on the Parisian part.

Portmeirion has also somewhat surprisingly stated through CCC comrade Chivo that it will adopt a policy of attempted moderation of Da'Khiem's stance on the reunification of Hamhung and Hungnam with the CPRD.

QNN
All across Quinntonia, massive candlelight vigils were held, spontaniously, on behalf of the new project. The mood in the nation was very grim. "It almost seems as though we are throwing up a wall, I know it's necesary, but I don't like the feel of it." said one man taking part in the vigil in Times Square.
Many have expressed concern over what the Hudecians and the Mexicans would say, now that it has become clear that Quinntonia was willing to fire missiles into their airspace to protect them, whether they liked it or not.
But overall, the feelings were that of inevitability, "I've seen this coming for a long time," said one Pastor, "It is not so much that we are withdrawing from the world, Quinntonia will always be there to stand up to the bullies of the world, but if we are going to be committed to doing that, we have to face the reality that the bullies are going to fight dirty. And, I for one, feel safer."
Project: Shield of Faith was being unvieled in major scientofic conferences around the world, and many are in awe of how such a massive undertaking was done without anyone being the wiser. NASA spokesman said, "We have been copying Russian rocketry techniques for two decades now, using them alongside our shuttles to seed space with massive amounts of communications sattelites, what most people didn't realise was, for most of that time, we were putting the sattelite grid into place as well."
As for the Pentagon, they have been holding press conferences all day, explianing how an integrated defense grid of this size would work, "We detect things like plume, temperature variance, air speed, EMP and radioactivity, among hundreds of other things, which can b relayed back to NORAD cites, who then try and confirm the information with their equipment, and we don't need to tell you how advanced and complex that is, then it is fed into the multiple command centers, all placed startegically throughout the nation so no one can be knowcked out and compramise the system, in fact, each can independently operate the system if need be, but cannot override it. At these command centers, the personel there evaluate the incoming data and determine an adequete response, whether that be interceptor missile, chaff, EMP or the many other systems like missile guidance scrambling. This entire process can take place in as little as 180 seconds. WE have spared no expense for this, and it works smoothly." said Minister of Defense Deacon Rebekah Klages.
All in all, the sytem looks will perfom like what it is, a technological marvel that is years ahead of its time and far more advanced than anything like it in the world.

WWJD
Amen.

OOC: *Wipes tear from eye* The Gipper's dream come true...Ah. Excellent summary, Quinn. Maybe you could glitz up the bit about Lavrageria with some nice quotes about a burgeoning democracy?

OOC: *Wipes tear from eye* The Gipper's dream come true...Ah. Excellent summary, Quinn. Maybe you could glitz up the bit about Lavrageria with some nice quotes about a burgeoning democracy?
Um, Aidarov is declaring himself President ofr life, what democracy, we have saved one totalitarian regime from another.
WWJD
Amen.

OOC: Well, so far, all we got indicating that was a vague hint of parliament doing such a thing. If it gets official...Things will change.

OOC: Well, so far, all we got indicating that was a vague hint of parliament doing such a thing. If it gets official...Things will change.
There was no vague hint, it was a resolution that was passed already. Read the beginning of the negotiations in Washington.
WWJD
Amen.

OCC: Might as well throw my two cents in.

IC:

The Shield of Faith program does draw interest from Hindustani officials, but the ABM system in place in Hindustan, based around the HS-200 (S-200/SA-5 Goa) SAM and a handful of CS-400s, is unlikely to be replaced soon. After all, there is only so much that can be done if the full nuclear fury of Sino or France is unleashed on WMD-free Hindustan. The strong buddhist influences on the population, especially concerning reincarnation and death, lead most people to not find it absolutely terrible to die, although it is certainly not a desired state. In short, nobody's going to be able to shoot down a couple thousand ICBMs, so Hindustan just does what it can and hopes for the best.

Hindustan has always had a soft spot for Quinntonia. After all, its certainly not a very bad place. Being significantly less hard-core than Beth Gellert and the other Socialist Asian allies, Hindustan has never had that much trouble in relations with the Christians across the sea.

Yamani officials...don't say shit! (TAG)

(OOC: Now, onwards to tonights inebration...it is a thursday after all)

Encrypted Sattelite Databurst to Quinntonian Drapol

Although the Shield of Faith program and launchings have little to do with the Macabees we do support Quinntonian Drapol's attempt to protect the faith inside her own borders and wish to hand the olive brach to Quinntonian Drapol in an attempt to establish some sort of relation between the Quinntonians and the Macabees, as both, although seperate denominations (OOC: I have my own denomination, but the central tenets are Catholic, much like the Anglican Church, although a little bit more diehard), are extremely religious and both take extreme measures to protect the survival of the Christian faith.

Should you agree with said preperations for some sort of crafting of relations between Drapol and the Macabee Empire then we would wish to receive a list or some sort of document which drafts the enemies of Drapol and the allies of Drapol so we may better gain a complete image of the world in which Drapol lives in and the ambience of danger which so prompts Drapol to launch its Shield of Faith program.

Thank you,
Jonach I

[OOC: I assume this is open]

(Nah, sorry, it's "AMW Only" (A Modern World, an RPing group based on a largely realistic earth with realistic populations and such). Unless I missed your joining AMW, in which case never mind. And just for the record, Quinntonia and Dra-pol are different nations, the former having frocibly annexed part of the later, hence the term Quinntonian Dra-pol.)

[OOC: Ah sorry! Is there any way I could join? Because this seems interesting and I'm might bored.]

(OOC: Well, there's still lots of space in our world, for reasonable modern tech RPers. This should be the sort of membership thread dealy, assuming I just copied the right address: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=376859&page=1&pp=15 so you can have a look and see who else is involved and all that. We've a few I think officially pending applications that seem to have gone dead, so it may be a tad confusing, but you're welcome to look around.

Sorry about the interruption, Q, I'll just go and get drunker, now.)

OOC-Forcibly annexed, I am dissappointed in you, BG.
WWJD
Amen.

OOC: Well, politics aside, the facts are that the region now known as Quinntonian Dra-pol was part of the CPRD, then it ceased to be under Da'Khiem's administration, then the CPRD tried to reassert that, and only Quinntonian force of arms prevented such.

(I think that statement is free of political perspective. If we were to get into that, Quinntonians would argue whys and moral obligation, and Beddgelens would generally stress the illegitimate nature of the government with which Quinntonia signed its agreements, and that even then they were co-signed at gunpoint.)

OOC: Well, politics aside, the facts are that the region now known as Quinntonian Dra-pol was part of the CPRD, then it ceased to be under Da'Khiem's administration, then the CPRD tried to reassert that, and only Quinntonian force of arms prevented such.

(I think that statement is free of political perspective. If we were to get into that, Quinntonians would argue whys and moral obligation, and Beddgelens would generally stress the illegitimate nature of the government with which Quinntonia signed its agreements, and that even then they were co-signed at gunpoint.)
Signed at gun piont? My goodness.
The actual negitation went something like, "We will give you billions of dallars, and tons upon tons of free goods, that and we will rebuild your entire country's infrastructure all on our cost, in return, we will get one city."
They didn't even hesitate, they just started signing things, thw walls, the desk, our diplomats, it was sad really.
WWJD
Amen.

http://web1.whs.osd.mil/mmid/military/ms9.pdf

I am basing my military on levels during Vietnam, at the height of the cold war.
Army- 2,000,000 c.1966
Navy-760,000 c. 1968
Marine Corps.-300,000 c. 1969
Air Force-900,000 c. 1968
Total-3,960,000



Reserve Personel-4,000,000
Phase 1-300,000
Phase 2-700,000
Phase 3-1,000,000
Phase 4-1,500,000
Phase 5-2,000,000
Phase 6-2,500,000
Phase 7-4,000,000
Phase 8-Total War Scenario

Heavy Tanks-10,000
Infantry Vehicles-25,000
Airplanes-12,000
Of those, fighters-4,000?
Helicopters-6,000

http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/org9-4.htm#1965

Battleships-3
Carriers-24
Cruisers-30
Destroyers-220
Frigates-45
Submarines-110
SSG/SSBN’s-40
Command Ships- 2
Mine Warfare-85
Patrol-20
Amphibious-160
Auxillary-215
Surface Warships-300

http://usmilitary.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site
Troops deployed in Vietnam-top amount-550,000

These will provide me with the matrix of what I am going to claim.

Each Division is going to number 10,000 troops.
So, my Army will number
200 Divisions
And my Marine Corps.
30 Divisions

I am going to claim less troop deployment levels in Quinntonian Dra-pol than RL USA had in Vietnam, with 400,000 troops.

This will be complemented by the 5 Divisions of Kenendru Royalist Troops (50,000) in ROK and another 150,000 Quinntonian troops there. I believe that must be the upper limit of what even a highly militarised and committed nation could claim there.

Now, the reason I am posting this, is that I want comments and feed-back, I have worked on this since I took over USA at the beginning of AMW, and I have been researching this quite thoroughly, and know that I can afford/support this size of military, but I want feedback, before making it official. The thing is, I am working with two problems.
i) First, all of these numbers are more or less based on numbers that have been used by RL USA.
ii) However, the tech that I am using is far more expensive and elite than what was being supported by these numbers, so that means I should scale back the numbers.
iii) However, the GDP at that time was also way, way less than the current RL USA one, meaning that I could support more tech, right?
iv) That, and I am more highly militarised than USA was even during the height of the Cold War, with mandatory draft for everyone, men and women, for two years (though many go into civil service or become aid workers, prayer warriors, etc.)
v) Also, I have a way more committed populous that believes, especially after the Dra-pol debacle that Quinntonia is in a fight for its very survival every minute of every day, and that we are the only protectors of the Gospel.
vi) WE have come out of a war, less than twenty years ago, where our enemies killed over 1,000,000 people, and that is still very fresh in the minds of the people.


With all of these things taken into consideration, I still think that I am OK for these numbers; after all, I am a super-power, right? What do you think, Godmodd?

WWJD
Amen.

OOC: Hm, on the one hand it is a little more than I had been idly assuming of Quinntonia; but on the other, the USQ has been through a lot of very serious military conflict over the last generation.

If it helps you at all to know, you have a greater militarisation of the population than has BG, but then BG has not fought a really massive conflict since the revolution in 1982, having taken only moderate roles in Bonstock and Kanendru, and rather distanced and often second-hand involvement in Korea and Africa. Given the militarisation of the USA after barely three thousand (many foreign) deaths in New York, it doesn't seem a leap to imagine marginally greater steps in the USQ after hundreds of times greater losses over a not much more extended period... even if many were military (the USA got pretty mad about the perfectly legitimate assault on Pearl Harbor (I assume it's spelled without the U, these days?) claimed so relatively few lives).

I've got better details around somewhere, but I'm in a bit of a hurry just now, but I can tell you that BG has fewer personnel, fewer warships, fewer combat aircraft, and fewer battle tanks, but more light AVs (Indian cavalry tradition, you see) and a small force of, "wing-in-ground-effect" vehicles attached to the navy.

Perhaps tomorrow I'll dig-up our figures so you can see what you're up against in our regard. I say, 'against' but we've never really seriously come to blows, but you know what I mean :)

Long story short, I don't think that you're godmodding, it's just up to you whether you want to play the USQ as the same sort of rival to BG or maybe Sino (or even UE if you wanted) as the USA was to the USSR.

It seems mostly viable, but...24 carriers and 10,000 tanks? (Then again the Soviet Union had 10,000 tanks, in disrepair though.)

LAst time i looked the US did have 6000 abrams kicking around so to be honest for Quintonia between full production rate Abrams of various models and a few reserve M60s it would be about right.

While it is true that US GDP has increased since Vietnam, so has QoL, and thus cost of living and other costs... in addition, cost increase for many new technologies isnt an even slope, but almost an exponential curve upward. Not that you seem to be godmodding, but have there been any social/economic consequences from maintaining these levels of militarization?

Excuse me if this is a bit of an intrusion, and I'll delete it and save it for another time if you'd prefer, Q, but for now I thought I'd just briefly run-down the Igovian military as it stands as probably the master of most of the Indian Ocean (especially since Bonstock's collapse). Unless Britain and UE can out-match us on the strength of Diego Garcia, that is :)

I'll be interested in coming days to figure-out whether BG's military is actually apropriate to AMW's circumstances, since it has been designed with only a vague idea of where we stand and not with detailed knowledge of what other states field.

Beth Gellert still accepts a fairly high level of militarism as the Commonwealth approaches the end of its first generation- most soldiers today were infants at the time of the revolution and grew up with the furvor of that conflict in them. Most workers are in the same position or are actually old enough to remember the struggle against the Principality.

That said, the first signs of cuts to defence's share of national output are beginning to appear... though Sinoese aggression may yet limit their extent- many Beddgelens have wanted to do away with the army, replacing it with a civilian guard of national defence, but that can unfortunatly not happen as yet, without abandoning others to the slaughter of desperate reactionaries.

Eh, but enough waffling.

For comparrison, the Igovian People's Soviet Defence Forces:

Igovian Soviet Army
680,000 personnel
172,000 infantry soldiers including 12,000 paratroopers
3,200 MBTs
41,000 AVs becoming 32,000 replacement types
4,300 Self Propelled Guns
8,800 towed guns becoming 7,700 by withdrawing one of three calibres
642 self-propelled MLRS becoming 300 replacement types
1,620 towed light rocket artillery pieces becoming 240 new SP-MLRS

850 helicopter gunships
750 medium support/utility helicopters
240 light scout/utility helicopters

47 long-range UAVs becoming 90 plus potential new lighter types

This listing does not include all vehicles (trucks, land cruisers et cetera) and crew-served arms (MANPADS, ATGWs, Mortars et cetera), but you get the idea.

Soviet People's Navy
347,000 personnel including 14,400 marines
12 fleet carriers (around 90,000 tons max)
24 light/assault carriers (around 20,000 tons)
5 strategic transport WIG vehicles
9 tactical transport/coastal defence WIG vehicles becoming unknown larger quantity
7 SSBNs
64 SSNs
30 general warfare frigates
90 fleet defence frigates
6 'gun-support' ships
120 support tankers
22 submarine tenders
8 hospital ships
135 various vessels (training, salvage, rescue, scientific)
180 various long-range UAVs
over 600 combat jets, several hundred various helicopters

This listing does not include all support vessels (because I never got around to finishing off the numbers in that regard).

People's Fighting Coast Guard
60 D/E patrol submarines becoming fewer replacements
54 mine countermeasures vessels
180 maritime patrol aircraft becoming fewer replacements
48 light transport planes

Soviet People's Air Force
372,000 personnel
1,630 fighters
1,250 attackers
84 tactical recon aircraft
124 ECM aircraft
390 medium/heavy transport aircraft
1,090 light transport aircraft
64 tanker aircraft
42 AEW aircraft

Air Defence Co-operative
Staffed by Army, Air Force, and Militia Corps
220 MANPADS becoming 460
2,200 AAA guns (semi-active)
250 self-propelled integrated gun/missile systems
100 medium-range SAM batteries
252 long-range SAM/ABM batteries

Soviet Militia Corps
354,000 personnel
over 90,000 infantry soldiers incluiding 4,400 Paratrooper Auxiliaries and 14,400 Marine Auxiliaries
1,400 MBTs
various other ex-regular service/semi-active crew-served weapons and vehicles

OCC: Well, its not exactly surprising to see that the HDFs are compelely dwarfed by most other forces. With only one occasionally used carrier, enough destroyers to count on your hands and enough frigates to do the same, and a coastal defense force that seems terribly underequipped now, the HN's most powerful assets never leave land. In fact, the Igovian army alone could more than swallow the entire Hindustani Armed Forces.

While the HDF tries to appear better-equipped than potential offenders, i.e. Chinas, France, etc., this is really only true when it comes to certain aspects of the HAF, logistical systems, anti-tank equipment, artillery equipment, SAMs, and (mabye) ASMs. The HA has about 500 tanks all together, and the majority of these are heavily modified T-72s. A handful of Hindustani-designed medium tanks are used, but these are essentially tank destroyers. The primary armored vehicle, which is a more heavily armored and more powerful copy of the MT-LB, is a good vehicle, but looses much of its utility when deployed outside of Hindustani conditions.

If BG wasn't around, I would be in big trouble.

Yeah, I was thinking of Cost of Living as well, but, I thought that there wouldn't be that much complaint from a population in the military situation that we are in.
As for consequenses, well, one of the things is that Quinntonia doesn't have any healthcare, welfare, and only the most basic of educations systems. Basically, most social programs are not funded at all, or to their most skeletal levels by the Quinntonian government.

Before all of you start yelling about how my American would have such crappy everything and all my people would hate me, let me explain.
With a population that almost universally tithes, (98%) the churches, and governed by our Council of Bishops, have an annual income in excess of 1.1 trillion Q/USD. That is above and beyond anything that is paid in taxes, so it has no effect on my national budget.

Now, the Lutheran understanding is that God rules the world in two ways, through Law & Gospel. That means, the civil authority represents the Law, and the Church represents the Gospel. So, theroretically, the church should be charged with caring for the people. And in Quinntonia, they are.

The Council of Bishops, not the government, pays for all universal healthcare, education, welfare, etc. from their tremendous budget, and that frees up more than a trillion dollars from our annual budget to spend in military items, and still offer all the services that we would normally.

So, yes, my military budget would be like twice what the US's is now, however, I have less expenses in other areas. I told, you, I have really thought this out, I just want people to repond to the idea to see if I am going way off track. I don't think I am very far off, in fcat, if I really needed to, I think that I could probably field something larger, if needed, but let's hope that situation never comes up.

Also, BG, I have always kind of thought of you as my USSR. With the back-up of Dra-pol of course. Between the both of you, we tend to mirror eachother negatively. Though combat between us would probably shake the world to its foundations, especially with your constant talk about WMDs. The biggest problem would be that we both claim a committed populous, and are so far from eachother, the force projection would be a nightmare, trying to get my military to BG would be murder, and then trying to fight such a powerful hostile nation while so far from homw would suck, and let's face it, we'de probably pull almost every other nation into it in some way or another, the thing would snowball, and probbably end in mushroom clouds and a lot of death, big death, four horsmen style death.



WWJD
Amen.

I talk constantly about WMDs? You have almost four times as many ballistic missile submarines as we have, and the world's most extensive missile shield!

BG has a disproportionately small WMD programme that leaves us only one step ahead of European nations four our five times smaller than the Commonwealth, and only maintains any to prevent Sino thinking it can nuke the revolution off the planet. Spoken strictly OOC, it is not even clear as to whether BG would return a strategic nuclear strike in anything more than tactical kind.

But yes, I can't imagine a Quinntonian fleet getting anywhere near BG with hostile intentions, and struggle to figure-out any way for BG to get more than a light force to Quinntonia, where upon it would be hopelessly out matched. It would probably turn into both powers trying to attack the other's clients and supporters, be they the ROK or Venezuala. I suppose it's one way to end AMW when Nation States finally dies somewhere in the future :)

Oh, buddy, I was making a joke at your expense, I just remember on the AMW regional board, you would metion casually that your national laeder was looking at its biological weapons cache, and so on, I didn't take it very seriously.

So, does anyone think that what I have posted is OK?

WWJD
Amen.

Yeah, its fine.

Ah, right, okay. Back when we had a leader, yes. There were rumours about Sopworth, a few specific re-education camps, and genetically modified biological agents, but nobody got around to proving anything before we did away with the heirachy.
BG's non-nuclear WMD programme is something of a focus for AMW conspiracy theorists, I'd imagine. If -on moral grounds- they don't have many nukes, why would they have bio/chem weapons? On the other hand... :)

But, yeah, I think it's okay so long as Quinntonians understand and accept that their society is quite militarised. Military bases probably have chapels, I wonder, do cathedrals have artillery ranges? ;)

that would be a new twist to the old english archery range on the church glebe...

Well, in Quinntonia, it is probably more than a chapel, as there is a highly integrated faith structure in the Quinntonian military, complete with Action Chaplians, (Pastors and Priests that go into battle with the men, unarmed and minister to them at the front lines) and Prayer Warriors, (groups of committed individuals, often laypeople, who will go into battle zones and just pray, 24/7, unarmed, and will most often not even offer any small resistnace if fired upon)


WWJD
Amen.

OOC: While we are on the issue of militarisation...Sorry to interrupt, by the way...Ahem. With a massive economic boom, heavy foreign investment, and military restructuring, what do you guys think my military levels could be? Keep in mind, I started with what Russia has today, which is almost pure and utter crap. Still, the renewal efforts have been massive, especially the development of better tech. I know I won't be able to ever regain the ability to stand toe-to-toe with Quinntonia, but I don't want to stay as a pathetic state for long, especially with both Chinas breathing down my neck. So what would be reasonable?

Oh, and Quinn, are those prayer warriors still in Russia?

Hmmm... you know, I've never actually fixed an exact amount of troops etc for Roycelandia. Partly because I cant be bothered, and partly because it's largely irrelevant, since none of them will ever all be deployed to the same place at once.

Maybe I should think about actually getting round to it sometime soon...

OOC: While we are on the issue of militarisation...Sorry to interrupt, by the way...Ahem. With a massive economic boom, heavy foreign investment, and military restructuring, what do you guys think my military levels could be? Keep in mind, I started with what Russia has today, which is almost pure and utter crap. Still, the renewal efforts have been massive, especially the development of better tech. I know I won't be able to ever regain the ability to stand toe-to-toe with Quinntonia, but I don't want to stay as a pathetic state for long, especially with both Chinas breathing down my neck. So what would be reasonable?

Oh, and Quinn, are those prayer warriors still in Russia?

Actually The russian military is actually in a surprisingly good state and is actually getting better in real life.
Yes the massive air fleet reductions have been extremely painful but on the upside the russian armed forces can finally afford new stuff (upgraded Mi-24s, the Su-27/30 family and the mi-28N). Navy wise things are a bit worse off particularly in the feild of naval aviation (its only in the last year that actual carrier fighter operations have been restarted, you unfortunatly face the problem in that you don't have a freindly ukraine to play host to your naval air base and unfortunatly i have no idea where else would be a good idea to biuld one).
ground froces wise i'm not too sure about things, did chetchnia happen in AMW? if not then your ground forces would be a better state but missing some of the equipment developed as result of that conflict (BTR-Ts etc).

persoanlly i think you need to be looking at an even more radical program of scrapping old equipment than is being followed in RL, particualrly as you will have the money to buy modern equipment and fund all those wonderful russian projects.

The scale of Beddgelen help to the Russians' military restructuring has never realllly been pinned down. We give it in exchange for Moscow having more or less entirely handed its space programme to Portmeirion, as we lack the experience required to support our own programme from scratch.

We would also like it to be on the condition of improved conditions for the Russian workers involved, and for improved democratic rights along the Igovian line, but many space-heads are too excited by the build-up to Buran's first manned flight to risk the agreement breaking-down.

I think that mainly, Beddgelen advisors are helping the Russians to modernise their tools in out-dated USSR-era factories, but even this is done somewhat grudgingly by Igovians inclined to grumble at the state in which the division of labour is applied by supposedly Sovietist structures. It's probably actually helping the present Igovian revolution to see first hand how far the USSR was from anything remotely communistic.

Probably it would only be clear once the Russians decide where they want to focus their new military. We'll be sending helpers to whatever projects are kept open. The CPCS will of course also be nudging Putin in hopes of reminding him to make sure that anyone put out of work by producing what may be a smaller, more modern military will be found new work in the growing economy and not just cast aside.

Erm, so I suppose once Russia's picked what it's going to do, it'll be able to do it faster thanks to Igovian help. Especially if it provides effective counter to Tsarist forces, or seems in any way designed to resist Sinoese tactics and technology.

Well, in Quinntonia, it is probably more than a chapel, as there is a highly integrated faith structure in the Quinntonian military, complete with Action Chaplians, (Pastors and Priests that go into battle with the men, unarmed and minister to them at the front lines) and Prayer Warriors, (groups of committed individuals, often laypeople, who will go into battle zones and just pray, 24/7, unarmed, and will most often not even offer any small resistnace if fired upon)


WWJD
Amen.

Hmm...those Quinntonian prayer warriors sound a bit similar to Hindustani medics. Unarmed and ridiculously self-sacrificing, they are obliged to treat anyone and everyone to medical care. Therefore, Hindustan has one of the world's largest collections of medical troops.

As for Russia, well...Chechnya is just a huge mess. Human rights disaster.

But I don't see why AC wouldn't let them secede. As for a naval base for a revived Russian military, I would pick Murmansk or Archangel'sk. Somewhere in the White Sea or Kola Peninsula...unless those areas are under Tsarist control, in which case you might just have to use Rostov.

A good place to start, I think, would be with the Gepard class frigates and Stereguschy class corvettes. The Tarantul also has good export potential, probably to the middle east, Africa, and South America (Hindustan already has Pakistan cornered when it comes to weapons exports, and a good deal of the Veers {Tarantuls} that have been replaced are going to Karachi.)

I would imagine that Hindustan has a small space program, centered mostly on deploying astronomy and environmental-survey sattelites, with the occasional spy sattelite tossed up as well.

(Wouldn't any White Sea fleets be hampered by ice for several months in a year?)

Quinntonian Pentegon officials have announced today that they are standing down the force on the East Coast that was building up to be deployed en masse into Europe should the Lavragerian conflict have gotten out of hand. With the signing of the Treaty of Lavrageria, and the general peace that this has brought about in Europe, Quinntonia will no longer need those troops and fleets. Instead, those troops and equipment ae now being moved to the West Coast, with the supply and support fellt heading for the Panama Canal as we speak. This is being followed with the massive fleet of Troops Transports that was being put together to move the troops, and with the knwoledge that the First two phases of Reserves is continueing to be on active duty.
This comes as some surpise given that tensions in and around Quinntonian Dra-pol have cooled to their lowest point since the early days of the Protectorate, and some military anylists beleive it may be in repsonse to the war in the Chinas. No government reponse to questions in that direction were answered.

However, anti-Sino news broadcasts were cropping up as footage of the sneak attack that began this terrible conflict starts leaking to Quinntonian news agencies. This is sparking some massive public outcry against Sino, and lead to some protests in New York, Philedelphia and Las Angleles.

WWJD
Amen.

High Minister Ye Zhao feng and Madame Xu are planning a state visit to America in an attempt to rally support from the Americans. Recently returning from Spyr in sucessful peace talks. The Xiannese have obtained several contracts in buying Spyrian equiptment, and weapons. Past war effort talks with North Yamani officials allowed Xiannese to 'rent' North Yamani air bases solely for Xiannese millitary aircraft, which lsot many airstrips and bases durin the Sinoese fake defection.

High Minister Ye Zhao feng and Madame Xu are planning a state visit to America in an attempt to rally support from the Americans. Recently returning from Spyr in sucessful peace talks. The Xiannese have obtained several contracts in buying Spyrian equiptment, and weapons. Past war effort talks with North Yamani officials allowed Xiannese to 'rent' North Yamani air bases solely for Xiannese millitary aircraft, which lsot many airstrips and bases durin the Sinoese fake defection.

The Xianese are welcomed into Quinntonia and will be given a full conference with Prime Minister Jesse Obed, and be allowed to address the Council of Bishops, though they will not be allowed to interview the members of that governing body.

It is made known through diplomatic channels that Quinntonian realises that something must be done about Sino, the question is, what would be appropriate coming from Quinntonia? We are willing to offer supplies, and we would like to talk about the possibility of entering militrailly in some kind of joint action.

Quinntonia invites Spyr, Hindustan, Yaman, Tord, Russia and Beth Gellert to send delegates to ADVISE Quinntonia as to what its foriegn policy should be.

OOC-I realise, for you the idea of the USA actually seeking advice from regional powers before barrelling in, is kind of strabge, but you pretty much have two chioces, you can advise me on how to behave, or I can do whatever I want, without regard to any but my own.
I am willing to talk about a coordinated and sustained military action against Sino.


WWJD
Amen.

((That'll be one hell of a fight, lemme tell you. I hope theres still a Tord left to restore Glenn to.))

The Xianese are welcomed into Quinntonia and will be given a full conference with Prime Minister Jesse Obed, and be allowed to address the Council of Bishops, though they will not be allowed to interview the members of that governing body.

It is made known through diplomatic channels that Quinntonian realises that something must be done about Sino, the question is, what would be appropriate coming from Quinntonia? We are willing to offer supplies, and we would like to talk about the possibility of entering militrailly in some kind of joint action.

Quinntonia invites Spyr, Hindustan, Yaman, Tord, Russia and Beth Gellert to send delegates to ADVISE Quinntonia as to what its foriegn policy should be.

OOC-I realise, for you the idea of the USA actually seeking advice from regional powers before barrelling in, is kind of strabge, but you pretty much have two chioces, you can advise me on how to behave, or I can do whatever I want, without regard to any but my own.
I am willing to talk about a coordinated and sustained military action against Sino.


WWJD
Amen.

Hindustan doesn't really have any useful advice for Quinntonia, except to watch out for Sinoese WMDs. If Quinntonia gets involved, however, there is not much doubt that Xiaguo will be in a greatly improved position to force a settlement with Sino, at the very least.

OOC: SHould there be a new thread for this? Maybe it should be held in Xiaguo? I'll listen, any suggestions?

Since the Quinntonian announcement the sacred hill, lying admist the sprawl of Mioka Ro, has been closed. Since then the Strainist Council has been holding a council to discuss the Sinoese and Western threats, and the recent politics with Moscow.

Arguments are ignited at the thought of seeking aid in Quinntonia. Many stress that the overseas nation seems too arrogant of his ability to force project, and that DC could truly threaten long term revolutionary goals. Others argue that the Sinoese monster can only be stopped by international co-operation, and that Xiaguo needs the support of neighbouring progressive nations. The scariest argument against Quinntonian involvement comes near the end of the session. Some among the council quickly agree; if Quinntonia attacks Sino, the nationalists might use their vast arsenal against the entire region.

With the end of the council, and the final confirment with High Command, the SFDNY announces it will be moving border troops previously on the Xiaguo border to stations where they could quickly move to defensive positions along the Yamani north and the Helekar coast.

Quinntonia is said that North Yaman will reserve its 'advice' for now, but is perhaps more agreeable to an international involvement. It is made quite clear that North Yaman will not be supportive of any unilateral actions.

News of Washington's attitude regarding the Chinese war has caused an uproar in the Igovian Soviet Commonwealth, with millions of comrades enthusiastically voicing their opinions.

Many are horrified by the prospect of increased Quinntonian influence in Asia, while others see a very real chance for the bringing-down of the Sinoese Junta in similar fashion to the Bonstockian Empire. The SSRC, ISCBG, and USQ combined with the already engaged Xiannese would outnumber the Sinoese probably more than two to one and all but surround them.

But the prospect of total war with the Sinoese casts a shadow of global disaster across all parties, and a Liu faced with absolute defeat would -some fear- act even more irresponsibly with his vast arsenals. Still, most Igovians are keen to make use of a potentially co-operative Quinntonia to boost the Spyrian concept of pressuring and dividing the Sinoese effort against Xiaguo.

Perhaps a united front could convince Liu to abandon his enterprise against the north for fear of invasion by India, Quinntonia, and Korea and Lyong, which if nothing else could easily take his only potential allies -the Taiwanese- from him.

I just want to piont out that I have fully pulled out of New Guniea, and the sorrounding island chains, and the people there have no Quinntonian presense to speak of, besides aid workers and missionaries, I guess. I do have bases down in that region, but that is from my US claim, you know like Guam and stuff.
I am willing to cooperate, but I will only do so on the lead and with the sanction of others, and I need to know what the goal of any involvement would be. To bring down Sino? Replaced with what? Or just to get him to back down and maintain the status quo? In short, need a goal so Vietnam doesn't happen, and need a exit strategy, so Iraq doesn't happen.



WWJD
Amen.

The Sinoese foreign minister, Mr. Zhong Tai Heng would like to visit Quinntonia for talks with the President and Yeh.

(OOC: Pardon the lack of information, but who is the President?)

"We do not wish to have any foreign troops withn China. We are hoping for monetary assistance and equitpment which is needed to arm our sons and daughters of China." said High Minister Yeh while arriving at Beijing International Airport for his long 15 hours trip to the States.

Jedu Yasung, a Spyran history professor, is dispatched with all due haste to Quinntonia to offer some advice on the Chinese situation.

"China is a most delicate matter, one which it may be difficult for the Christian West to understand. China, for much of its history, has been the Middle Kingdom in fact as well as in name. It was the bastion of civilization, the largest and most advanced nation in the world. It was twice under the rule of foreign dynasties, but after military victory these too suffered cultural defeat: they were absorbed into the greater culture of China. But Chin did not project its power. It was the centre of the world, and all came to learn at its feet. Korea, Lyong, Japan, and Vietnam all have vibrant indigenous cultures, but these are intermixed with aspects that are distinctly of Chinese origin.

This changed in the modern era, with imperialism. China was not an empire in a traditional sense, for its tributaries came to it willingly, and it did not project itself. The empires of Europe posessed the same sense of superiority, along with a will to go forth and enforce it upon the world. And, they posessed an objective superiority in military technology...

This was used to humiliate China, to enforce a system of concessions, spheres of influence, and extraterritoriality upon its government in a series of blatantly unequal treaties. And, within China, the complacency of the Middle Kingdom syndrome was broken. Never again would China fall under the thumb of foreigners. The imperialism of Japan once that country modernized was just genocidal salt in the wound.

Dealing with China today, we must keep this in mind. Our goal should never be to dictate to China, through force, what it should be, nor should we ever seek to divide the great rooster-shaped country. Both in Xiaguo and Sino, the vast majority of the population believe in 'one China', and of the four governments within the nation, none seeks to stand independant... though ethnically Chuang-han and _Taiwan, the minority natives in Tibet, and the Xinjiang muslims might give such an idea more thought than the dominant Han. If we enter as dividers, or as foreign invaders, China will unite its spirit against us.

An optimal resolution would be to somehow end the Sinoese dictatorship, but that may prove impossible without doing the very things that, as said above we cannot dare. A return to 'One China, Four Systems' is thus the best result we can hope for. This can be accomplished by non-military support for Xiaguo:

1) Loans, arms, and goods shipped to the Xiannese.
2) Fortification of the Indian/Chinese border to force Sinoese troops to divert towards defence of the south, while simultaneously demilitarizing the northern Chinese borders to free Xiannese resources for the central fighting. (Quinntonian troops might be useful in India, should Hindustan and/or Kanendru agree)
3) Establishment of ABM defences in involved nations. If Liu seeks to follow the insane path of WMDs, there must be a system to resist. Through cooperation with each other and Quinntonia, those nations around China could establish a protective shield against Liu's madness.

There is also a minor matter, Israeli-Chinese military development. In cooperation with United Elias, Qinntonia could pressure Israel to share joint development projects with China as a nation, rather than merely its Sinoese subcomponent. This will, in future, help prevent a technology gap that might make easier further Sinoese agression.

In doing this, we can express our care and support for the people of China, without violating their national pride.

OOC:Exactly

Meanwhile, the Roycelandian Defence Cabinet have been in meeting all night to decide what action, if any, to take on the "Chinese Situation"...

OOC-Though some of your "history" is suspect, (I am a history major, with a special like for Chinese history) like the claim of, "its tributaries came to it willingly, and it did not project itself." Which is just pantently fals, ask Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Japan, Mongolia, Cambodia, tec. And all of these were invaded by force of arms multiple times, and I am just thinking of the Ming Dynasty. Zhou Youngzan comes to mind. But that is neither here nor there, it is the same as when friends of mine went to Scotland and heard Scottish historians praise their wonderful Queen, Mary Stuart, who was held captive in London. Never mind that she went there because the Scottish lords were trying to kill her and place James IV on the throne.

IC-So, what I seem to be getting is that the majority of people just want my money and supplies, not direct involvement. However, some of you say that a Quinntonian build-up might not be a bad thing, putting direct pressure on Sino. I am also currentlly in talks with the other NATO powers and we are deciding, based on your recommendations, what our course of action should be. It could be that we may have a joint NATO force build-up, just in case of conflict, or we could even restict ourselves to taking on the Sinoese navy head-on and lend our air force to trying to cancel out some of the massive air superiority he seems to be wielding, I don't have to land a single soldier on China to do that.
As for force projection, should I nationalise my economy for a total war scenario, i am just going to assume that I can force project at a speed that USA did in WWII, maybe a little more, considering higher tech and all, US was able to provide 2/3 of all the supplies for all theAllies powers while projecting 100,000 troops a month into Europe. Since I already have such a large military there with a good set up of bases, I should be able to match and surpass that quite easily.
Should Hindustan and Kenandru wish it, remembering the help I gave to Kenandru during there revolution, feeding the people and all that, and Hindustans friendly relationship with Quinntonia in the past, I would be willing to deploy 200,000 troops along that Southern border.

It is up to you all.

WWJD
Amen.

OOC: Forgive this intrusion, would it be possible for someone to summarise as to what exactly is going on China? Since I joined MW I have largely ignored it, and there seem to be many factions, and its rather difficult to tell who is where if you haven't been following it the whole time.

Thanks.

The Roycelandian 8th Fleet, comprising of at least 8 Dreadnoughts, 5 Wolverine-Class Submarines, and numerous Frigates and MTBs, as well as the Sub-Capital Ship Heart of Gold (The modern equivalent of either the Yamamoto or Bismarck), and the Carrier Airship Terrordactyl have been deployed to the South China Sea.

The Carrier Airship is a uniquely Roycelandian craft, in that it carries two entire squadrons of either Spitfire Ground Attack aircraft or Harrier Jump Jet multi-role fighers in hangars in the fuselage, lowering the planes underneath the airship on cranes to launch them, and retreiving them in the reverse manner.

Roycelandia has found that the Carrier Airship provides more versatility than conventional Aircraft Carriers, and they look cool to boot.

OOC: I'd also appreciate the edited highlights of the Chinese Situation, since I too have very little idea what's going on besides the fact it's not good, and I've lost track of who's actually involved...

Hindustan is willing to host a contingent of Quinntonian troops, although in order for such a scheme to be finalized Beth Gellert will need to be consulted. After all, Beth Gellert is the dominant Indian power, both militarily and diplomatically, whereas Hindustan is often regarded as second-rate in both these categories and perfers to dabble in the third world instead of engage with the superpowers.

As for actively participating in a war with Sino, the government is not so keen to tread this path. After all, the HDF is a primarily defensive force, trained to fight in Indian and Nepalese climates, and possesses very limited power projection capabilities. While the Viraat is quite a lot more than many nations have, it is still nowhere near the Quinntonian Nimitzes, or Sinoese carriers, being a significantly smaller ship.

The HN could engage Sinoese ships if absolutely necessary, but to expect a successful outcome would be wishful thinking.

The deployment of Roycelandian military strength has sped the Final Senate's search for quorum on the Commonwealth's own mobilisation, though the true motivation may hide an actual disunity amongst Igovians. Those previously opposed to mobilising against the Sinoese have perhaps backed militarisation based on fears over Roycelandian imperial opportunism, but Portmeirion has authorised the alert of semi-active units and the hastening of casual peace-time servicing of naval assets to meet the threat posed by Liu, not Royce's involvement.

Initial surveys indicate that Beddgelens are not unduly concerned about the prospect of Quinntonian troop deployments in northern India, apparently feeling the there would be no possibility -so close to the Igovian Soviet Commonwealth- of Washington dictating terms to anybody in the region as they were accused of threatening in Lavrageria. Concerns over NATO nations are confined to the possibility of Roycelandian outposts turning up rooted to strategic reaches in the far east, or of another new Hong Kong in the model of Quinntonian Dra-pol, neither of which are realistic prospects in or around India itself as the fleet begins to put to sea in the Bay of Bengal.

The Commonwealth Chief Consul has stressed that Beth Gellert's mobilisation is nothing more than a natural response to rapidly escalating military conflict in the region, and does not represent an existing intention to engage in hostilities.

The Roycelandian Foreign Office has reassured Beth Gellert that Roycelandia's overseas ambitions do not include the Indian Subcontinent.

"Roycelandia values the close relationship with the Igovian people, and sees no reason- strategic or otherwise- to deploy forces or maintain bases outposts on the Indian Subcontinent."

Roycelandian Media have described the Naval Deployment to the South China Sea as being "part of our ongoing commitment to NATO"...

OOC: Can someone please tell me who the hell is fighting who and why? Its all so confusing.... :headbang:

OOC: Can someone please tell me who the hell is fighting who and why? Its all so confusing.... :headbang:

OOC: From what I can see, Sino (southern China) has started the invasion of Xiaguo (northern China) in order to reunite China under Sinoese rule, Xiaguo doesn't want that. Everyone in the immediate area is lining up to oppose Sino in one way or another except for _Taiwan, who is currently undecided (I could be wrong on _Taiwan's position though).

Taiwan is with Sino under the Taiwan-Sino Treaty.

(I am a history major, with a special like for Chinese history)

OOC: Me too! Four years of studying the bloody place, and (to borrow the imagery of a certain Taiwanese artist), the weight of its train pulls even me down.

OOC: Thanks Peru, but may I ask, what are the respective government styles of Sino and Xiaguo?

OOC:Try this forum.
http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?act=idx

I Am a moderator there. Its pretty good forum to discuss on Chinese history.

OOC: Thanks Peru, but may I ask, what are the respective government styles of Sino and Xiaguo?

Sino is ultranationalist/bordering on fascist, complete with very conservative domestic policies.

Xiaguo was a left-leaning monarchy last time I checked, but that may have changed.

Although its quite different in explaining Sino, since its always better for Liu himself to explain it for us.

Sino is a country ruled by an iron fist. Sino is a military superpower and is a Republic. I believe there are no elections there either. Sino is a more of a dictatorship with Liu as the main figurehead of power within the government, and a slight leaving to another country is always seen as a leader leaving the country behind.

Xiaguo is a country ruled by a Federal government with several figureheads in power so that representation can be used for policy making. The country is based on a Federal Socialist Democracy.

OOC: Hmmn, a facist and a socialist, well it would seem the only reason we would have to get involved is simply to preserve the balance of power, which is not necessarily such a bad cause, after all from our perspective two Chinas are definately better than one....

OOC: Me too! Four years of studying the bloody place, and (to borrow the imagery of a certain Taiwanese artist), the weight of its train pulls even me down.
OOC-A fellow history buff! Outstanding.



IC-So, seeing that BG seems to have no major onjections to Quinntonian involvement, the readting of a military force begins on the West Coast, with San Francisco buzzing with activity not seen since Bonstock, and troops and ships lining the wharfs.
In Los Angeles, a huge arir contingent is being readied for its first part trek towards the Indian sub-continent, preparing to land forst in Hawaii.

The Pentagon is forwrading logistical information to BG and Hindustan, though asking them to keep them somehwhat confidential for security reasons.


WWJD
Amen.

OOC: Hmmn, a facist and a socialist, well it would seem the only reason we would have to get involved is simply to preserve the balance of power, which is not necessarily such a bad cause, after all from our perspective two Chinas are definately better than one....

OOC: Actually, there's a balance of four Chinas: Sino, Xiaguo, _Taiwan, and Chuang-han.

IC: Spyran diplomats begin circulating a draft statement to various world governments, essentially a statement of international support for 'One China, Four Systems' according to pre-war divisions... it is hoped that if enough states sign such a statement, Sino might become more inclined to suspend its invasion.

Message sent to NATO military command

Based on the possibility of major military enagagements in the South China Sea, SEACOM (South East Asia Command), has ordered that all Elias military forces in Brunei go to REDCON Charlie. This readiness condition will mean that the significant force present will abandon any ongoing traning exercises and be ready for a military deployment within several days. Additionally, it is possible that the Defence Ministry will augment these forces, most likely in the form of a larger naval deployment, or stationing strategic bombers in the protectorate. It is expected that the Vizier of Brunei will also be asked to place Brunei's own self defence forces on an increased readiness posture, with a particular focus on safeguarding maritime passage to and from Brunei.

These moves are a fairly routine reaction to an emerging crisis, designed purely to safeguard our regional interests, and should in no way be interpreted as an indication that United Elias wishes to become involved in a forthcoming conflicted, a decision that has yet to be made.

Spyran diplomats begin circulating a draft statement to various world governments, essentially a statement of international support for 'One China, Four Systems' according to pre-war divisions... it is hoped that if enough states sign such a statement, Sino might become more inclined to suspend its invasion.

OOC: When the Mainland strikes back on the Taiwanese separatists, is that invasion too?

OOC: When the Mainland strikes back on the Taiwanese separatists, is that invasion too?

OOC: When you drop thousands and thousands of bombs in a country that has declared itself a nation independant from Sino, yes...that could be said to be an invasion. Usually policing actions don't require napalm strikes.

IC: Yamani support for the Spyran draft is immediate, though the High Command remains pessimistic as to Liu backing down from his campaign.

OOC:

Taiwan is to Sino what Finland was to the USSR during the Cold War. (Or Austria to Germany...actually somewhere between the two cases)

Although Zhang is hesitant about supporting the Sinoese effort, as Xiaguo was one of Taiwan's main trading partners before the war, Taiwan has offered moral and technological aid to the Sinoese.

And there's a whole side plot about Taiwanese mercenaries under the payroll of the Xiannese (secretly) and trying to kill Liu, but that's for another day.

While speaking of Chuang Han, it seems like he hasn't been on for a while...

RBC World Service

"The Roycelandian Government has today condemned Sino's attempts at reunification of China by Military Force, and has urged for a speedy resolution to the conflict. Meanwhile, the Imperial Trading Company's shares fell 4 points today after losses in the Far East market, beleived to be a direct result of the war..."

OOC:I've talked to Chuang-Han, he said Chuang-Han will be neutral, but would tend to lean to Sino, since Sino has proven to leave it alone, since Xiaguo had many times, tried to open the region up to modernization.

Hundreds of ships begin to stream out of San Fransisco Harbour, loaded heavily with troops and equipment bound for the front. They are met by a massive fleet that will be providing escort that will inclde a large sub escort and many AEGIS Cruisers that will try and stave off any submarine incursions.

They are bound for Hawaii, and are being raced by hundreds of jets and long-range strategic bombers, aircraft of all kinds taking off from Las Angeles, blackening the sky and eafening the people with constant take-offs. They, too, are headed for Hawaii, but will most likely be deployed in ROK so that they can provide air assistance to the region.

WWJD
Amen.

Largely sidelined in all matters not connected with tax dodging, gambling, custom automobile over-pricing, and contraband smuggling, Liberation has made a shrill peep of an effort to join the chaos over China. President Eustace F.Brown has implied that NATO and other such forces moving into the Asia region from without may be granted temporary basing rights in the Andaman and Nicobars. It goes without saying that the qualifier, "from without [the region]" is meant to preclude the possibility of the communist annexation that Nicobarese media peddles as the thing only Brown can prevent.

Yes, if you want somewhere that's almost a bit close to China, sort of, but possibly less exposed than the South China Sea, more or less, probably, then the Andamans might just be nearly perfect for you!

(And can we have a good deal on a squadron worth of high performance interceptors, Liberation doesn't openly say!
I know that ISAN isn't around all that often, but then there isn't usually much need for us to be. Let's face it, this is pushing it!)

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OOC: Hmmn, a facist and a socialist, well it would seem the only reason we would have to get involved is simply to preserve the balance of power, which is not necessarily such a bad cause, after all from our perspective two Chinas are definately better than one....

OOC: I'll give you a reply of better understanding once I get back. I'm currently going to a funeral.

[QUOTE=Quinntonian Dra-pol]Hundreds of ships begin to stream out of San Fransisco Harbour, loaded heavily with troops and equipment bound for the front. They are met by a massive fleet that will be providing escort that will inclde a large sub escort and many AEGIS Cruisers that will try and stave off any submarine incursions.

They are bound for Hawaii, and are being raced by hundreds of jets and long-range strategic bombers, aircraft of all kinds taking off from Las Angeles, blackening the sky and eafening the people with constant take-offs. They, too, are headed for Hawaii, but will most likely be deployed in ROK so that they can provide air assistance to the region.[QUOTE]

For once, Quinntonian plans for placing more troops in Korea doesn't receive the regular Yamani insults and cries of Imperialism. Though not viewed positively in Mioka Ro, the american movements could possibly make Sino think twice of attacking outside of China. One thing is clear though, the unification of China has been completed. Sino is now in control of one of the largest and most militarized nations in the world...easily a rival to Quinntonian and Russian interests.

In a special announcement from Washington, the Minister of Health, Dr. Danil Levesque, M.D., finally declares what the Quinntonian people had long feared, "After over twenty years as Prime Minister of Quinntonia, steering us through some of the darkest days of history such as the Dra-pol crisis that blew up into the Three Years War, Mr. Obed is finally going to be leaving office, this will not be because he is calling an election yet, though that may be happening soon, PM Obed is dieing. He has an inoperable tumour in his cerebral cortex, and he has been given 3-6 months to live, he has decided that he will not recieve treatment yet, as there is a critical juncture in world politics going on, and his first love, after Christ, is Quinntonia. He will most likely, however, be calling an election in the next three months, and is going to be tabling some impressive new legislation before he goes. There willl be no quiestions, Thank you and God Bless."

WWJD
Amen.

The President expresses sentiments of profound sympathy for the Quinnotonian people, and congratulates the Prime Minister for his courage and strength during his illness and his determination to carry on governing, Throughout the world he has been a statesman and a highly respected figure.

You are thanked for your sympathy.
WWJD
Amen.

The Strathdonia People are most saddened to hear of Quinntonia's impending Loss, Mr Obed was truely agreat man and a shining beacon in a world of darkness, we can only dream that any successor does not find the mantle of leadership he inherits too heavy a burden to bear.


(OOC: ie lets not go handing the power over to rodimus prime and end up havign to bring Optimus/obed back from the dead by soem very tenuous link).

The Hindustani Parliament is deeply saddened to hear of Prime Minister Obed's condition. Jesse Obed is arguably Hindustan's best friend in the west (besides John Bull, and relations with Chaffins' new government haven't really developed yet), and is furthermore a real humanitarian. His contribution to global development will not be forgotten.

"In honor of Jesse Obed, I call a two-hour jam," proposes one delegate, who's motion is quickly approved.

Appropriate flower arrangements and consolation cards arrive from Versailles.

Chancellor Yeh has offered a personal message and a hand of hope to the ill leader. On the same front during the Dra-Polian crisis, Yeh has has sent several brief messages.

Several Catholic churches were holding a special prayer for the leader, although the government has officially broke ties with the Americans.

"Prime Minister Jesse Obed is a powerful figure, who excercised his strength and courage to fight the enemies of the world. However, illness, the most fatal enemy of the humankind have struck, and we offer our hope and good will toward Mr. Obed and the republic in which he has taken over two decades of his life in perfecting it." said Chancellor Yeh in a statement after the news of the ill Jesse Obed.


The Chinese government however forbids any direct contact with American officials and instead, messages were sent via different politicians.

One thing is clear though, the unification of China has been completed. Sino is now in control of one of the largest and most militarized nations in the world...easily a rival to Quinntonian and Russian interests.

OOC (since I've got nothing to say about this ICly): "Seig... heil!"* (Repeats the three cheers of Nazism twice.)



*Please take note of my sarcasm.

"Prime Minister Jesse Obed leaves behind a nation he restored and a world he helped save. He was, and continues to be, both a brilliant statesment and a humble servant of our savior. He has the confidence that comes with conviction, the strength that comes with character, the grace that comes with humility, and the humor that comes with wisdom."

"In his wise reign, Russo-Quinntonian friendship has blossomed to new heights, and his aid to our nation during our civil wars and his generous contribution, his generous efforts to aid the Lavragerian people, and his constant fight for peace have left a legacy that shall not soon be forgotten in Russia."

"The prayers of all Russians, Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Jewish, Muslim, Pagan, and more are with you and your great nation, Mr. Obed. May God grant us a miracle and spare Mr. Obed, but if He decides in His grace that Jesse's work on earth is done, none of us must despair. While his exit from the world of man will be mournful for all, Mr. Obed knows better than all of us that a shining city awaits him. Amen, and God Bless."

----President Putin

(OOC: An odd coincidence. Obed gets cancer at the same time Putin does? Weird world we live in, no?)

OOC:Dang, Putin's a worldwide religious leader.

Oh, not Obed! Hell, I remember him from the Korean war back when I was Kilean.

Ah, those were some good times.

OOC>> Hey, YOU were Kilean?! I thought you left.. Well, what do you know ;)

My wife is pregnant and going to have my baby! This is not game related, but real! Whoohoo! I am going to be a father.
WWJD
Amen.

Congratulations!

Emperor Zhang offers a message to Obed :

"When you see the gates of heaven before you, thank the lord on my behalf for all he has done for China and Quintonnia"

OOC:Congratulations! An Heir, An Heir!

Fantastic, Quinn...you are truly about to enjoy the greatest blessing of life, my best wishes.

My wife is pregnant and going to have my baby! This is not game related, but real! Whoohoo! I am going to be a father.
WWJD
Amen.


Good for you man! I still have some years before I even start thinking about that, but really man, good for you!

Prime Minister Jesse Obed collapsed today in the Oval Office. It is well known that he was suffering from a fatal affliction, and it seems that his time is vcoming to an end. He has refused to be moved to a hospital, instead having a medical team and his personal doctors come to the White House, and is sorrounded by his family.
It is well known that his Party has lost popular support, and that most political analysts are of the opinion that his continual re-elections are a result of his powerful and commanding personality and his death could mark a change in the Quinntonian political landscape the likes of which has not been seen since PM Obed took power over 20 years and 8 elections ago, when he was elected to his position as the head of a new political movement representing an Interfaith perspective and selling themselves as a new way, breaking the straglehold that the "Lutheran Party" had on the Parliament for the previous 60 years.
Only time will tell as to what direction Quinntonia will be moving in the near future.
WWJD
Amen.

The Deputy Prime Minister, Deaconess Vanessa Moerike has officially taken control of the Quinntonian government. In a press conference held from the White House, she released a statement that conmtained the sentiments of concern that teh whole nation was feeling. She declared a national day of prayer, and the people of the nation started to pour into the streets, praying and holding candlelight vigils. Troops had to be called in to contain the crowds around the White HOuse as grief stricken supporters of the Prime Minister gather to vent their frustration and be close to their leader.

WWJD
Amen.

Igovians remain utterly baffled by the level of sentimentality attached by Quinntonians nationally to a single person, while a few wonder at the democratic legitimacy of proceedings and raise eyebrows at troop deployments. Absolutely no commentary is forthcoming on a national scale over the fate of Obed, though no doubt a few Beddgelens E-mailing or telephoning friends or relatives in the USQ express less than really understanding sympathy to people who never knew the old PM.

The Roycelandian Ambassador to the USQ has made a personal visit to the White House, as a show of support for the ailing PM...

The Japanese government is quick to express their deep sorrow at the condition of Prime Minister Obed, calling him a 'true friend of Japan'. Emperor Shinseiki also sends a personal message of condolence via the Japanese ambassador to the USQ; Shinseiki describes Obed as a 'true statesman and memorable figure of our time'.

The Strathdonian Govenrment has asked its ambasador to convey both the nation's and President Livingstons own Deepest sympathies at this time of difficulty for the Quintonian people. The General Assembly of the Church of Strathdonia have anounced that a series of special prayer meetings will be held to give support to both the priem minsiter and his people at this tiem of trial.

The Deputy Prime Minister expresses thanks to all who express their sympathy, and the ambassador from Roycelandia is let in for a five minute visit with the ailing PM, who is in a hospital bed and hooked to all manner of machines, but is directing a mountain of correspondence and seeing many Spanish speaking diplomats from his bed. He sees the amassador, offering to allow him to stay on the grounds in case something more should develop, and explaining taht the Quinntonian people will note for years to come taht he was the first diplomat to come and see him.
The PM looks as though he has aged 20 yaers and is deathly pale, he seems sharp as ever, but stops in a fit in the middle of their conversation to cough until he spits blood. The doctors and atttendents are looking at eachother with eyes that show that they have already decided what the PMs fate will be. The doctors explain that he should be resting, but has refused, in order to work on what he calls his last gift to the people of the world.

WWJD
Amen.

The Roycelandian ambassador has apologised that His Majesty could not visit personally, but His Majesty is currently in Franco-Roycelandian Polynesia on some "Vital Imperial Business", but expects to return in a day or so.

Realising that the railway track will eventually reach the end of the line, so to speak, the Ambassador asks PM Obed if there is anything the Roycelandians can do to help, or anything they can provide for the PM.