NationStates Jolt Archive

[OOC: This is the beginning of the long diplomatic role-play with this Kahta thing. If we're going to have a roleplay, we might as well due to it the long and interesting way.]

Public Ultimatum to Kahta on Behalf of the Director of Military Affairs of the IADF
The IADF presents you with this ultimatum concerning your recent aquisition of the territories left clean by the apparent breakup of Communist Mississipi due to 'strange events'. The power vacuum left after the fall of the fairly large and fairly well known Communist Mississipi was a nutural start for the expansion of the Kahtan Empire, and it isn't suprising that a member of the Fabus dynasty would just as soon as eat from the carcass of another fallen family member. Indeed, it is dispicable, and if that wasn't all you are intent on spreading your oppressive regime, built on your twist on the morals of Calvanism, stretched to give a greater justification to the being of Kahta. Perhaps your citizens have been brainwashed, as it is too late for them to become learned in how the real world operates, however, the international level will not be easily fooled by your thin veil, and in fact, the world is already turning against you.

Face it, your days as a powerful, sovereign, nation are numbered, especially when you refuse change. Your dogmatic policies will see the eventual fall of what you thought was a stable expansionist ideology - it has always proved to be so. Do not think that you can stand against the might of the free world, for already proved a failure against it during the First Great Mississipian War, and had it not been for the general benevolence of the Second Empire at the time your lands would been overrun and your dynasty raped of all its titles and your men slaughtered to make sure not another Fabus rose again. And, with this in mind, should you cause another Great Mississipian War, or more properly, a Great Kahtan War, we will not give you such easy, and such light, terms of peace, and we will not end our pursuit of the destruction of the Fabus line even if it means that every single citizen of the Kahtan Empire is killed.

However, because we are not tyrants, because we support peace and unity, we offer you these terms of peace, and be wary because should you decide to reject such benevolent terms you may not be so lucky as to have the Macabees around to protect you for long with thin promises of peace. Yet, without further adue, here are the terms:

1. In order to ensure the safety of Communist Louisiana the border with said nation must have a de-militarized zone with a depth of twenty kilometers. This DMZ will not take up Communist Louisiana's space, just Kahta's, as Kahta has more to spare.
2. In order to ensure the safety of Sevaris the border with said nation must have a de-militarized zone with a depth of twenty kilometers. This DMZ will not take up Sevaris' space, just Kahta's, as Kahta was more to spare.
3. Ergo, should Kahta decide that it is within the the best interest of its nation to begin to deploy armed forces to the prescribed DMZs then such an act will be taken as belligerent, and will be replied by a swift military excursion into Kahta spearheaded by the IADF.
4. The nuclear-biological-chemical weapons of Kahta must be destroyed. However, since this renders Kahta defenseless against NBC attacks on Kahta then there will be a pact signed, put into effect by the ratification of this treaty, stating that if Kahta is attacked by NBC warheads then the attacking nation will be consequently attacked by the NBC forces of the nations who signed this treaty.
5. Every year you must allow IADF, and allied, inspectors into any border of Kahta in an attempt to hunt for a NBC/WMD warhead in order to make sure that this treaty is upheld to its word. If any of the like is found they will be destroyed and Kahta would have officially broken the treaty, allowing ground for a subsequent invasion of Kahta.

This treaty, as it stands, cannot be altered. These are the words of the IADF, and this is how it stands. However, should the treaty be ratified by all parties then the treaty can be altered through a subsequent discussion. For example, in twenty years, should we feel that it is right to take down the DMZ zones due to a cool off of relations between Communist Louisiana and Kahta then there will be a discussion and if the majority rules to take down the DMZ zones then that will be the case.

We hope that all parties, including the nations of the IADF, as well as those in the anti-Kahtan coalition, and those allied to Kahta and Kahta itself will sign this treaty as a show of love, compation, and a general friendly attitude towards peace.

The Macabees considers this signed.

Signed.

Also Signed.

East Lithuania considers this treaty signed as well

Can I sign it?

You can consider our signature upon this existant, and ratafied.
We support our IADF allies.

The Commonwealth signs this treaty with one stipulation, the clause declaring that the removal of NBC weapons from Kahta leaves the nation defenceless against NBC threats less-than-accurately describes the defensive abilities of non-NBC weapon systems. In order to merely defend against an NBC attack, no NBC systems are actually required. They are more useful in a counter NBC attack, something to which the Commonwealth cannot and will not accept from any party. Our interpretation of this document suggests that the IADF is attempting to take the moral and philosophical high-ground in this clash of government systems and their inherent beliefs. The high ground, the Commonwealth believes is the universal respect for human life on all sides; and the retaliatory deployment of NBC weapons does nothing but hinder, impede, and abandon this respect for human life. We would thus urge that the IADF reconsider its pledge to retaliate in kind against those who launch NBC attacks agaisnt Kahta, and instead seek a conventional form of retaliation that will surely punish the leadership which authorized such attacks.

Ivan Valovich
Minister of Foreign Affairs

I will not sign this. Kahta is a fascist, terror run regime. It must be stopped by force and punished. Diplomacy has been tried and has failed. The Coalition has proposed peace via disarmament of weapons of mass destruction and the turning over of the Fabus family to a war crimes tribunal, but the Czar has denied it.

Thus, it is out sacred duty...: To resist! I propose, that by any means needed, the evils of the Kahtan regime be taken down, the entire regime destroyed, and the ideaology of National Socialism and other Fascist beliefs eradicated. For if it is not, it will spread like an unholy plague.

Sincerely,
Premier Charles Hayden

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We've tried diplomacy and peaceful terms. Now is the time for the people to suck it up, and fight. Comrades, we need to unite under a just cause: The liquidation of the evil, Nazi regime of Kahta. -- Nikolai 'Tetra' Ulyavin, People's Commissar Of The Central Soviet Of The Communist Party Of The Armed Union

This document has been signed by all members of Novikov's Parliament, Military Director Maj. Gen. Pripevski, and Prime Minister Ulyanov. We will inforce this treaty is need be.

The Commonwealth signs this treaty with one stipulation, the clause declaring that the removal of NBC weapons from Kahta leaves the nation defenceless against NBC threats less-than-accurately describes the defensive abilities of non-NBC weapon systems. In order to merely defend against an NBC attack, no NBC systems are actually required. They are more useful in a counter NBC attack, something to which the Commonwealth cannot and will not accept from any party. Our interpretation of this document suggests that the IADF is attempting to take the moral and philosophical high-ground in this clash of government systems and their inherent beliefs. The high ground, the Commonwealth believes is the universal respect for human life on all sides; and the retaliatory deployment of NBC weapons does nothing but hinder, impede, and abandon this respect for human life. We would thus urge that the IADF reconsider its pledge to retaliate in kind against those who launch NBC attacks agaisnt Kahta, and instead seek a conventional form of retaliation that will surely punish the leadership which authorized such attacks.

Ivan Valovich
Minister of Foreign Affairs

Your issue has been understood, and perhaps here you are in the right, but as for now the treaty will remain as is. If said treaty is ratified we can make crucial changes and expansions to it later.

With the understanding that future debate upon appropriate courses of action will follow the dreadful circumstances provided in the treaty; the Commonwealth at this time has no more immediate reservations concerning this declaration of policy.

Henceforth

The IADF presents you with this ultimatum concerning your recent aquisition of the territories left clean by the apparent breakup of Communist Mississipi due to 'strange events'. The power vacuum left after the fall of the fairly large and fairly well known Communist Mississipi was a nutural start for the expansion of the Kahtan Empire, and it isn't suprising that a member of the Fabus dynasty would just as soon as eat from the carcass of another fallen family member. Indeed, it is dispicable, and if that wasn't all you are intent on spreading your oppressive regime, built on your twist on the morals of Calvanism, stretched to give a greater justification to the being of Kahta. Perhaps your citizens have been brainwashed, as it is too late for them to become learned in how the real world operates, however, the international level will not be easily fooled by your thin veil, and in fact, the world is already turning against you.

Face it, your days as a powerful, sovereign, nation are numbered, especially when you refuse change. Your dogmatic policies will see the eventual fall of what you thought was a stable expansionist ideology - it has always proved to be so. Do not think that you can stand against the might of the free world, for already proved a failure against it during the First Great Mississipian War, and had it not been for the general benevolence of the Second Empire at the time your lands would been overrun and your dynasty raped of all its titles and your men slaughtered to make sure not another Fabus rose again. And, with this in mind, should you cause another Great Mississipian War, or more properly, a Great Kahtan War, we will not give you such easy, and such light, terms of peace, and we will not end our pursuit of the destruction of the Fabus line even if it means that every single citizen of the Kahtan Empire is killed.

However, because we are not tyrants, because we support peace and unity, we offer you these terms of peace, and be wary because should you decide to reject such benevolent terms you may not be so lucky as to have the Macabees around to protect you for long with thin promises of peace. Yet, without further adue, here are the terms:

1. In order to ensure the safety of Communist Louisiana the border with said nation must have a de-militarized zone with a depth of twenty kilometers. This DMZ will not take up Communist Louisiana's space, just Kahta's, as Kahta has more to spare.
2. In order to ensure the safety of Sevaris the border with said nation must have a de-militarized zone with a depth of twenty kilometers. This DMZ will not take up Sevaris' space, just Kahta's, as Kahta was more to spare.
3. Ergo, should Kahta decide that it is within the the best interest of its nation to begin to deploy armed forces to the prescribed DMZs then such an act will be taken as belligerent, and will be replied by a swift military excursion into Kahta spearheaded by the IADF.
4. The nuclear-biological-chemical weapons of Kahta must be destroyed. However, since this renders Kahta defenseless against NBC attacks on Kahta then there will be a pact signed, put into effect by the ratification of this treaty, stating that if Kahta is attacked by NBC warheads then the attacking nation will be consequently attacked by the NBC forces of the nations who signed this treaty.
5. Every year you must allow IADF, and allied, inspectors into any border of Kahta in an attempt to hunt for a NBC/WMD warhead in order to make sure that this treaty is upheld to its word. If any of the like is found they will be destroyed and Kahta would have officially broken the treaty, allowing ground for a subsequent invasion of Kahta.

This treaty, as it stands, cannot be altered. These are the words of the IADF, and this is how it stands. However, should the treaty be ratified by all parties then the treaty can be altered through a subsequent discussion. For example, in twenty years, should we feel that it is right to take down the DMZ zones due to a cool off of relations between Communist Louisiana and Kahta then there will be a discussion and if the majority rules to take down the DMZ zones then that will be the case.

We hope that all parties, including the nations of the IADF, as well as those in the anti-Kahtan coalition, and those allied to Kahta and Kahta itself will sign this treaty as a show of love, compation, and a general friendly attitude towards peace.

is agreed upon by the Prime Minister of the Royal Commonwealth of Azazian Republics on this day March 06 in the Year 2005.

Alistair Tetley
Prime Minister of the Commonwealth of Azazia

Although we doubt that the Kahtans will approve, the Sevarisian Parliament has ratified this treaty.

Not signed.

Signed.

In the interest of peace, the Empire of Xeraph agrees with the terms of this edict, and wishes to consider it signed by our representative, Vlad, Prince of the Empire.

Not signed.

What a shame.

Though the Republic of Skinny87 is not a part of the IADF, it has been following the Kahta situation with some trepidation. The treaty created by the IADF seems more than reasonable given the situation, and if it is allowed The Republic will sign it. If not, The Republic still wishes its support for this treaty to be known.

It is with a heavy heart that the Democratic Peoples Republic of Mekugi signs this document. We will sign it with our own blood that our belief and determination may stand clear, but we fear what might come of this.

For it is not the people of Kahta who have sinned, but a devil who has lead them astray...

Signed,
Donovan Alexander
Eliza Meraz
Sean Roberts
Donald Lemay
Samuel Redfield
Marcus Raveshaw

OOC: Watching... if Kahta signs he might regain the scrap of respect I had for him at 8:00pm yesterday.

What a shame.

I personally am of the opinion that Kahta should get what CM/DA/VE left him, minus the military. That is just my opinion, and I don't think we will be getting militarily (sp?) or politically involved if you go to 'aggressive neotigations' over this.

Once again, if the Empire of Layarteb did not have Kahta on it's now 2 person ignore list then it would support, to a point this quest. However, we would be wary of diplomacy and recommend that the Kahtan state and military be destroyed given the lack of friends in the world that Kahta has.

Secret IC

To: The Macabees

Lest it be known of any monetary or military help the EOL can provide through indirect measures it shall do so but not for the co-existance with Kahta but for it's eradication!

I personally am of the opinion that Kahta should get what CM/DA/VE left him, minus the military. That is just my opinion, and I don't think we will be getting militarily (sp?) or politically involved if you go to 'aggressive neotigations' over this.

This treaty guarantees the old territories of Mississipi for Kahta.

To: The Macabees

Lest it be known of any monetary or military help the EOL can provide through indirect measures it shall do so but not for the co-existance with Kahta but for it's eradication!

Encrypted Databurst to Layarteb
We have the feeling that this money will be put to use soon enough. Kahta has not had a past of cooperation, so it is highly expectable that this will be thrown away and war will ensue. If said war does happen there will be no Fabus family member left...it will be another case of the Romanovs.

...it will be another case of the Romanovs.

[OOC: Seems that way.]

OOC: Has anyone TGed this to Kahta? So as to prevent some excuse of not seeing it?

Though Malkyer is not a member of the IADF, we hereby declare our support for this treaty, and hope the Kahtan leadership follows up on this gesture of good will.

[OOC: I'm on a school computer so I can't TG him.]

We thank everyone for their support in the matter. This is not only open to the IADF, but to all nations of the anti-Kahta coalition.

This is not only open to the IADF, but to all nations of the anti-Kahta coalition.

In that case, we consider the treaty to be signed.

I am going to refuse to sign this treaty at the current time, however, I will consider it in the future. I will however, be willing to enact reforms within Kahta to avoid war. I will make these reforms public when the committe I have chosen, shows them to me.

Respectfully Signed,
Czar Sam Fabus

I am going to refuse to sign this treaty at the current time, however, I will consider it in the future. I will however, be willing to enact reforms within Kahta to avoid war. I will make these reforms public when the committe I have chosen, shows them to me.

Respectfully Signed,
Czar Sam Fabus


Public Response:
Although you have shown some sign of cooperation the IADF is afraid that time is not too Kahta's advantage, and that Kahta should not waste the little time the IADF has reaped for her. Indeed, we fear that with your refusal of the treaty you have refused perhaps the lightest terms that could have been offered to you...for you would have escaped with all your territory.

Should you fail to immediately begin peace talks in which you are willing to re-consider your decision you will most likely face war, a war in which all the nations which comprise those who signed will take part. A war, in fact, that you would not be able to win.

So, choose wisely. You have twenty-four [RP] hours.

I have reconsidered my decision, and I would like to enter negociations with the IADF nations regarding this treaty. Please contact me at the earliest possible time. I'm willing to restrict my ICBM stockpile. I already have a DMZ between Kahta and Sevaris, its called the Sir Sam Fabus line. There is also a quasi-DMZ between CL and Kahta, and I am willing to make it thicker, if the need arises. I am willing to talk about all of terms of the treaty, additionally, I am willing to sign non-aggression pacts with every IADF nation, as a notion of goodwill.


Signed,
Czar Sam Fabus

Frankly, I dont want to sign this because his borders are far to close to our nations capital. I want a DMZ zone consisting of all of Mississippi (state only)
or I will continue to not allow Kahta's ships from entering the Mississippi and the Pearl River.

I may also move further to involve Neo-Soviet Russia who controls the Bahamas as well as Florida and have him possibly step up military numbers in Flordia and help blockade the entire Gulf region to all of Kahta's ships as well as ships with destinations to Southern Ports controlled by Kahta.

To tell you the truth, I would rather a third party nation control the states in Kahtaian control along the Mississippi River. I do not want another damn facist nation threatening(sp?) the Fatherland and I will not tolorate it. I will move towards war if thats what it takes to show this damn facist I mean business. The Empire will not be threatened by a nation of infidels.

Premier Daniel C. Dufour
Premier of the CCP of CL
New Orleans, Louisiana, CL

I have reconsidered my decision, and I would like to enter negociations with the IADF nations regarding this treaty. Please contact me at the earliest possible time. I'm willing to restrict my ICBM stockpile. I already have a DMZ between Kahta and Sevaris, its called the Sir Sam Fabus line. There is also a quasi-DMZ between CL and Kahta, and I am willing to make it thicker, if the need arises. I am willing to talk about all of terms of the treaty, additionally, I am willing to sign non-aggression pacts with every IADF nation, as a notion of goodwill.


Signed,
Czar Sam Fabus

Novikov, and doubtless the other IADF nations, is relieved at Khata's decision. We do feel, however, that negotiations ought to be kept to a minimum and we must warn the Khatan People that we will strongly support the removal of the Fabus family from power. Certain concessions must be made on btoh sides in order for this treaty to work, and we belive that this ought be the foremost objective of negotiation between the IADF and Khata.

In the hope of peace, we have also issued a decree recognizing Khata's territory at her current borders, provided that our ally of Communist Louisiana is protected by an extended 25km DMZ across the Khatan-CL border. We make these recognitions and will hold to them only until a revised IADF Treaty is signed by Khata and the IADF, and will then respect the borders laid down in that document.

For peace.

Signed,

Prime Minister Fredric Ulyanov (Novikov)
Minority Leader William Kartashova (Novikov)
Maj. Gen. Ivan Pripevski (Novikov People's Military)
Novikovian Parliament
President Eric Zinov (Czechzenia)
Lt. Col. Yuri Gershenkov (Czechzenian Combined Defence Forces)
Czechzenian Senate
Maj. Gen. Daniel Yevgeny (C-in-C Novikovian Isles Regional Commonwealth Military Forces)

Said negotiations are completely possible and we are aware of your disagreement with the idea of the full shake down and destruction of your NBC/WMD arsenal. However, as you were willing to at least cut said NBC weapons down this will be the main focus of any negotiations we go into. We would also like to make it clear that any negotiations would be between Kahta and the entire IADF, including Communist Louisiana and Novikov.

We must sadly state that although SafeHaven2 is part of the IADF, and he has launched an offensive into Kahtan African territory, we cannot order him to stop because the IADF stresses national sovereignty and the right of nations to wage war on their own whims. However, we will make sure that our aims are clear to SafeHaven and we will stress as much as we can the need for peace during meetings between SafeHaven and the Macabees. In any case, the IADF as a whole will most likely not support the Havenite offensive into Kahtan Africa for the idea of international peace.

We would like Kahta to start the negotiations by making public messages of what they think is right, and of what they think they should get. But, we must again stress that such public negotiations are to be centered around the Kahtan NBC arsenal and how the IADF will respond to any NBC attack on Kahtan territory after the treaty is ratified by Kahta.
[signed]Jonach I

OOC: Hasn't been an invasion yet, just some groundwork I set down, still SIC for now.

[OOC: That deserves a major 'do'h'!]

Consider it signed.

" The Soviet Republic of Mesazoic is apualed by the actoins aginst the Father Land of Loisiana. If war is to break out, You will be a sheet of Glass. "

Mesazoic has little room for such blatant belligerence against Communist Louisiana considering the support Louisiana holds, especially with the entire IADF arrayed for a fight. You might also be considered as an ally to Kahta by the antire anti-Kahtan organization, although that would be beyond or jurisdiction.
[signed]Jonach I

The Federal Republic of Canada will not support the IDAF ultimatum against the Kahtan Empire in anyway, even though Kahta formerly was a sworn enemy of the Canadian Republic for a decade with the fall of the Mississipian Federation. The Department of State is developing a new open door policy towards Kahta.

The suggested ultimatum goes against internatonal law and can be noted as 'violation of the sovereignty of a nation'. We admit, the MacDonald Regime has broken international law themselves, but they'll be given a second chance. We suggest that other nations follow suit.

Secretary Darren Temple, State Secretary
State Department, Federal Republic of Canada

Mesazoic has little room for such blatant belligerence against Communist Louisiana considering the support Louisiana holds, especially with the entire IADF arrayed for a fight. You might also be considered as an ally to Kahta by the antire anti-Kahtan organization, although that would be beyond or jurisdiction.
[signed]Jonach I
OOC: You must have read that wrong, im SUPPORTING THE FATHER LAND! I'll turn Kahta into a plate of Glass, not my close freind.

A second chance was given time and time again. The chance for a new 'policy' concerning Kahta is long gone. Should Kahta fail to show promise in these ongoing negotiations then Kahta will be the butt end of a series of invasions - and should this end in the long Kahtan policy of nuking the attacking armies then there will be not an ant alive in the old territories of Kahta, from the United States to North Africa.

We are not violating sovereignty, for Kahta violated sovereignty. We are merely protecting the sovereignty of the old Mississipian territories, which should be technically freed. No, we are being to modest for ourselves - indeed, we ensured Kahta the Mississipian territories in exchange for an enlarged de-militirized zone.

The fact that you fail to recognize the validity of this treaty ensures that you are not one which supports the idealogy of international peace. Your un-cooperative nature, furthermore, will not reap you any rewards when this ordeal is over, one way or the other.
-Jonach I

OOC: You must have read that wrong, im SUPPORTING THE FATHER LAND! I'll turn Kahta into a plate of Glass, not my close freind.

[OOC: Another Do'h! Two in a single day! It's my record so far...nevermind, sorry for the mistake.]

Due to location of Neo-Soviet Russia with the Fabus controlled nation of Kahta, though not a member of the IADF I wish for my nation to take part in any negotiations that may arise as well as be included as a nation that is bordered by a demilitarized zone. Misgivings and distrust of one Fabus regime shall carry over to another.

As to the thoughts proposed by Communist Louisiana's Premier Dufour on a stepped up military presence in the province of Florida, we must admit moves have already been made for defense due to earlier crisies involving the former Fabus ran state and the forces relocated shall stay present for the time being until it's seen fit.

To the idea of blockading the Gulf region to Kahtan shipping and trade destined for Kahta, that will be looked into and discussed. Determining factors will include how this situation grows and how Kahta proceeds.

We have been and shall continue to monitor the situation at hand as we speak to close friends as well as parties involved.

Premier Estridge
Premier Of The USSNSR
Havana, Cuba, Neo-Soviet Russia
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(OOC: Macabees, you just have a hard time with interpreting what people say... >_>.)

The government of Neo-Soviet Russia has a full right ot participate in the ongoing discussion and negotiations. Consider yourself at hime and make your opinion known. As for the general deployment of troops in Florida we must stress that you don't move them to the border with Kahta just yet, as there is no need for a sign of belligerence by either party.

We thank you for any cooperation you give.
-Jonach I

The Federal Republic of Canada has not given Kahta a 'second chance', I am sure that your nation, Jonach has given several 'second chances' to Kahta. I'll clearly outline the goals for the Canadian State Department to come to, maybe we'll be able to encourage the MacDonald Regime to accept the proposed ultimatum without negotiations. However at this time, we do not support neither side.

If Kahta uses is the first to use aggression, the Federal Republic of Canada will send a member of the State Department to sign the ultimatum after requesting to join the IDAF. The Canadian Republic at this time does not have any form of diplomatic contact presently with either party. We are pressing for a democratic change in Kahta immediately after King MacDonald returns President Wittrock's phone calls.

Secretary Darren Temple, State Secretary
State Department, Federal Republic of Canada

The Macabees respects this decision, however, as for our last message to the Canadian administration we do not want to encourage simpathy for Kahta. Indeed, the best way of cajoling Kahta to sign this ultimatum is through a united front against her, including a full blockade and placing economic barriers on Kahtan imports, as well as increasing an export tax on goods flowing to Kahta.

Moreover, publicly, the Macabees wishes to make it known that a full blockade of Kahta's coast may ensue, although the Macabees are unsure whether pursuing such a policy is wise. But, we do support what we said to the Canadian administration - placing barriers on Kahtan importans, and taxing your exports to Kahta. Kahta's economy will begin to feel the pressure soon enough.

I have requested a report from the Department of Trade of the Federal Republic of Canada for information regarding our trading policies with Kahta and spoken with him about placing tarriffs and embargoing Kahtan products.

The Report I just recieved, entails that we do not have any existing trade treaties with the Kahtan Empire. However we will not join the blockade of the Kahtan shoreline at this time.


Secretary Darren Temple, State Secretary
State Department, Federal Republic of Canada

Your increasingly cooperative mood is much appreciated, and as you have sovereignty over your own decisions the IADF will not force you to join any blockade or economic embargo on Kahta. However, we wish that you consider it as a possible action to take in the course of future events.

The Secretary of Defense supports sending our navy to join the blockade however he has not persauded me nor the rest of the cabinet, nor have I recently debriefed on the President on his decision, however within a few hours his announcement will be made public to the international community on this current issue with Kahta.

Secretary Temple

Signed by Credonia

Novikov regrets to inform our fellow members of the IADF that we will be unable to deploy any naval assets to blockade duty, should the IADF decide that a blockade of Khatan ports is necessary. The combined forces of the Novikovian Isles Regional Commonwealth Navy are either stretched to the breaking point in deployment to defend our home waters and to aid the Second Empire in their war against Malgeria, or are preparing transport for forces to Communist Louisiana, preparing to maintain the preposed DMZ.

We also wish to make the statement that we in Novikov do not support the blockade of Khatan ports, as it has recently been preposed. This blockade we see as being a simply hinderence to further taks as the said goal of these negotiations is to A) Remove Czar Sam Fabus and his family from power, B) Establish an acceptable DMZ between Communist Louisiana and Khata using the old Missippian territory, and C) Effect the disarmiament of Khata's ICBM and NBC weapons programs. A blockade will simply starve the people of Khata and, as we do not feel the Khatan government is responsable to the needs of it's people, this will cause no change but the starvation of Khatan citizens.

Those of our Commonwealt member Czechzenia has expressed a more tenative support for the blockade preposal, but still side with the Novikovian Government on much of the issue. Their support, if it comes, will be seperate and minor.

-Prime Minister Ulyanov (Novikov)
-President Zinov (Czechzenia)

This stance will be taken into consideration in the decision making, and as an important nation to the IADF your views are held in high regard. Moreover, the points you make are valid enough and any proposed blockade would come in the event that Kahta absolutely refuses to cooperate, which as proved to be the case in previous attempts.

However, a point should be made that the Fabus dynasty, according to official government records and polls ran by those inside the borders have all pointed towards an 'anti-foreign' attitude which might be prominent within the Kahtan population. Accordingly, it is the population's fault that they have not taken advantage of the overwhelming anti-Kahtan attitude which have sprung up across the board and have instead decided to remain under the flawed Fabian leadership. Indeed, we would go as far as to say that this was the hand of Kahtan brain washing programs which have been proved due to slip of the tongues by the Kahtan government when boasting to others.

Forces within Florida shall remain at their current locations and not proceed to the borders meeting with Kahta's acquired holdings. They will though remain on alert incase they are needed. As stated, the men and material placed within the territory of Florida were meant for defensive purposes, having been rebased to their current positions due to an increase in tension between nations including allies of the USSNSR and DA/VE.

Premier Estridge
Premier Of The USSNSR
Havana, Cuba, Neo-Soviet Russia

We in Novikov likewise understand the position the Second Empire is in and can certainly sympathize. However, we would like to keep any loss of life to a minimum, and this blockade may still be a spark which ignites war. Mind you, we do not want to pressure Khata overmuch (at least at first). Understand too their position, surrounded by enemies. To them, it is a cruel world with few friends.

At this time, we would also like to announce the official preposal of the Novikovian Isles Regional Commonwealth for the deployment of the 1st Novikovian Expeditionary Force, 1st Novikovian Strike Wing, and 1st Division, 2nd Brigade Czechzenian Defense Forces to Communist Lousiana in preperation for the mantianence of the preposed DMZ between CL and Khata, as well as the protection of Commonwealth assets in the area.

If this is acceptable, we encourage the government of Communist Louisiana to respond in a positive manner and make their ports open. We also hope this does not come as a suprise to our allies, as this has been a preposal locally for some time, and we have already expressed interest in deploying troops to the area.

-Maj. Gen. Daniel Yevgeny (C-in-C Novikovian Isles Regional Commonwealth Military Forces)

The Commonwealth of Azazia, recognizing her position as an outside party to this treaty, respects the position of the IADF regardless the outcome on the decision for a naval blockade of Kahta. However, at this time a full naval blockade would be the grounds for a declaration of war from Kahta – a move which would be entirely detrimental to the drive to peacefully reform the Kahtan government. However, since the mere imposition of tariffs on goods leaving for Kahta is not a hostile action, we are at this time willing to consider economic sanctions upon the Kahtan government – although it should be noted there have been no treaties signed and little to no stress will be placed on Kahta through our actions.

Again, the Commonwealth wishes to press the IADF into reconsidering any naval blockade, as that step is tantamount to a declaration of war. Economic sanctions must be carried out in another fashion that does not hinder the sovereignty of the Kahtan government.

Ivan Valovich
Minister of Foreign Affairs

Official Memorandum

The Military Republic of Jackbootz

Incidents of this nature are always extremely troubling. However, this is a conflict between to essentially sovereign nations or national blocks. It appears that both alliances are well able to defend themselves and need no outside interference or aid. Jackbootz will, therefore maintain its policy of neutrality in this matter provided that its diplomatic personnel, facilities and citizens are respected.

Immigration records show that 1127 individuals who are citizens of Jackbootz are residing for either pleasure or business within the areas involved in this altercation. They are to leave immediately and the government will provide transport by commercial air or ship. Because that may not be possible two Jackbootz naval vessels have been dispatched to evacuate Jackbootian citizen to the capital of Wellington. The ships dispatched are the Hospital ships JNSS109 and JNSS110. They are hospital ships. They are unarmed, they are clearly marked and they are flying our flag. If the need arises to evacuate our citizen with these ships we seek assurances that they will be granted safe passage and not attacked by either side. These ships will only evacuate neutral civilian and diplomatic personnel. They will not be used for any military or espionage purpose.


Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Military Republic of Jackbootz

No naval assets of Jackbootz will be harmed by any party, the Macabees assures you of this, and we will follow our word to the end, including taking any such attacks on your vessels as not only hostilities against the peace process but against the Macabees in general. Of course, should your operations turn into operations which are designed to give an advantage to Kahta then our offer will be rebuked.

To all others the blockade is a consideration, and as of now we have decided that a pursuit of such a policy, as Azazia said, would be tatamount to war. So we will refrain from said blockade.

Jackbootz has always followed a policy of allowing nations to solve their own problems. The only possible expansion of the operation would be to extract the citizens of other NEUTRAL nations. We will not embark any citizen who displays a passport from a belligerent unless that person is a child or spouse of a citizen of Jackboots. Jackbootz has no outstanding orders for military hardware with these nations and will also suspend considering any future sales of armaments to either side until all neutrals are evacuated.

Thank you for your cooperation

The Military Republic of Jackbootz

Understood. Proceed as you wish.

Kahta would like to know if this agreement will be rewritten (new thread) with some of the changes discussed, such as the DMZ's, and reduction of WMD stockpiles as opposed to their elimination.

Signed,

Czar Sam Fabus

The agreement can be re-written.

[OOC: I rather do it on the same thread though]

The agreement can be re-written.

[OOC: I rather do it on the same thread though]

OOC: I'd rather do it in a new topic, because its going to be confusing when someone enters the RP and responds to the first treaty, and just posts "Signed"

OOC: I'd rather do it in a new topic, because its going to be confusing when someone enters the RP and responds to the first treaty, and just posts "Signed"

[OOC: My setiments exactly. Please, let's have this discussion here and post the revised Treaty in a new thread.]

My countries demands have already been stated. We will not have any further talks on getting rid of any of our demands.

Premier Daniel C. Dufour
Premier of the CCP of CL
New Orleans, Louisiana, CL

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We would like to make the following preposals for a compromised treaty to be signed by both the IADF and Khata. We feel that these are the bare minimum required to achieve a peaceable settlement:

1) Czar Sam Fabus will remain in power, but he will be officially limited by a new Khatan constitution which must incorperate the following elements:

a) The Czar's power will be limited to authority regarding internal affairs.
b) The Czar will maintain no control over the military of Khata for deployments outside the nation.
c) All other affairs will be governed by a Senate or some form of legislative body which will be responsable to the people through regular elections made available to all Khatan citizens.

2) The Khatan military is to disband it's ICBM, Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical weapons programs or otherwise limit them in such a manner as to conform to the provisions laid out in the preceeding treaty.

3) A De-Militarized Zone will be established in former Mississippian territory no less than 120 kilometers from the Communist Louisiana border. This DMZ will be maintained by IADF troops provided by natios other than Communist Louisiana. Additionally a no-fly zone will be established over the whole of Mississippi, again maintained by IADF forces other than Communist Lousiana.

4) The Khatan military will be fully and completely inventoried every two years by IADF personell to insure the provisions of this treaty are being kept and to insure that no threat to Communist Louisiana exsists. If records are not wholly provided, it will be seen as a breach of conditions and Khata will be punished as such.

If these conditions are broken, it is preposed that a full military/diplomatic effort be mandated by all IADF nations to restore Khata to the conditions of this treaty, using all force short of Nuclear arms.

These preposals submitted by:

-Prime Minister Ulyanov (Novikov)
-President Zinov (Czechzenia)
-Maj. Gen. Daniel Yevgeny (C-in-C Novikovian Isles Regional Commonwealth Military Forces)

The only major problem I can see whith the treaty Novikov has pushed forward, is that the DMZ is quite large. 120km is quite a distance, and perhaos should be scaled back?

Head of State,
Feild Marshal Peshtur Namtar

Also, Kahta has already refused to destroy its NBC weapon stockpile. I think that we're going to have to agree on some sort of arms reduction policy.

Communist Louisiana has made it clear that they wish the whole of Mississippi to be a DMZ. We feel that such a DMZ, while ensuring protection of our ally, cannot be feasably maintained. Thus, we preposed the maximum sized DMZ we can see being maintained by the IADF. This allows a great level of protection to Communist Lousiana while still being small enough to be (theoretically) maintained.

Secondly, yes, a policy of arms reduction must be made, but we feel that the goal of those policies should be the virtual halt of all NBC programs, though we are prepared to settle for the complete destruction of all Biological and Chemical weapons as well as a signifigant reduction in ICBM development and proliferation throughtout Khata, alloing the Nuclear program to go more-or-less unhindered.

Credonia, is prepared to, should Kahta refuse to reduce its stock pile of WMD's, perform surgical strikes using precision guided munitions to take out these stockpiles ourselves in the best interests of the international community.

Upon the advice of my government, I write to the signatories of this treaty with regards to the proposals of my colleague, the right honourable Prime Minister Ulyanov.

The concerns of the Commonwealth relate to the first provision limiting the power of the Khatan monarchy to internal affairs. However, I would provide for strict regulations of those affairs over which the monarch can exercise his authority. The abstract portfolio of internal affairs could be construed as internal judicial cases, in which the monarch would be given free reign over judges, juries, and prosecution and defence.

Instead of such provisions, I would propose that the monarch be given specific duties by this treaty modifying the Kahtan constitution.

The monarch's power is limited to oversight of budgetary policy, the issuance of "monarchial pardons" - though these are to be limited in number and scope to forbid war criminals or violators of human rights from going free at the monarch's whim - and non-binding decrees on how he or she feels the government should be run.

This would in effect create a constitutional monarchy, which will allow Czar Fabus to save some face and remain head of state while acknowledging the other terms of the treaty.

Alistair Tetley
Prime Minister

Signed

Credonia, is prepared to, should Kahta refuse to reduce its stock pile of WMD's, perform surgical strikes using precision guided munitions to take out these stockpiles ourselves in the best interests of the international community.

OOC: This would
1. constitue an act of war
2. Release thousands, if not millions, of tons of biological and chemical weapons
3. Release massive amounts of radioactive matter into the air, which would fall onto IADF nations because of air currents.

Credonia will take no such action if it will cause the death of Novikovian personel in Communist Lousiana or elsewhere.

-Prime Minister Ulyanov

Here is my proposal for a treaty (edit from one proposed against me)

We would like to make the following preposals for a compromised treaty to be signed by both the IADF and Khata. We feel that these are the bare minimum required to achieve a peaceable settlement:

1) Czar Sam Fabus will remain in power, but he will be limited by a new Khatan constitution which must incorperate the following elements:

a) The Czar's power will be limited to authority regarding internal affairs.
b) The Czar will maintain control over the military of Khata for deployments outside the nation.
c) All other affairs will be governed by a Senate or some form of legislative body which will be responsable to the people through regular elections made available to all Khatan citizens.

2) The Khatan military is to limit its ICBM's to 75,000, strategic warheads to

3) A De-Militarized Zone will be established in Kahta no less than 25 miles from the all countries that border Kaha. This DMZ will be maintained by Kahtan troops. The DMZ however, will be paid for by IADF forces.

If these conditions are broken, it is preposed that a full economic/diplomatic effort be mandated by all IADF nations to restore Khata to the conditions of this treaty, using all force short of war.

Signed
Czar Sam Fabus

75,000 thousand warheads!!! That's more than me without restrictions! Would there be any possible way that you can expand that DMZ?

Sevaris also believes that another clause should be added, something along the lines of:

D) Any and all race laws shall be repealed, and freedom of religion will be guaranteed.

Well, as a member of the IADF I don't like to tamper into nation's internal policies, just policies which effect the international world. But we can certainly discuss that.

[Another revision, we have a lot of bureaucratic channels between the two nations Novikov represents, so finalizing stuff takes a while.]

it has been agreed upon that these are the conditions Novikov and Czechzenia's combined governments will accept:

1) Czar Sam Fabus will remain in power, but he will be limited by a new Khatan constitution which must incorporate the following elements:

a) The Czar's power will be limited to authority regarding internal affairs.
b) The Czar will maintain control over the military of Khata for deployments outside the nation.
c) All other affairs will be governed by a Senate or some form of legislative body which will be responsible to the people through regular elections made available to all Khatan citizens.
d) No governmental funds, laws, or other policies may be established for the benefit of any racial or religious group.

2) The Khatan military is to limit its ICBM's to 18,000, tactical warheads, not exceeding a 25kt maximum yield, and an additional 1,500 strategic warheads, not exceeding 1.5mt maximum yield.

3) The Khatan military will destroy 65% of it's Chemical and Biological weapons stores and will limit funding for further NBC development and production to 2/3rds it's original amount.

4) A De-Militarized Zone will be established in Kahta no less than 27 miles from the all countries that border Kaha. This DMZ will be maintained by IADF troops (Communist Louisiana excluded). The DMZ however, will be paid for by both Communist Louisiana and Khata.

If these conditions are broken, it is preposed that a full economic, diplomatic and/or military effort be mandated by all IADF nations to restore Khata to the conditions of this treaty, using all force short of tactaicl deployment of NBC weapons.

75,000 thousand warheads!!! That's more than me without restrictions! Would there be any possible way that you can expand that DMZ?

I forgot to finish typing. :(

Ok, I'll edit this to what I see fit.

1) Czar Sam Fabus will remain in power, but he will be limited by a new Khatan constitution which must incorporate the following elements:

a) The Czar's power will be limited to authority regarding internal affairs.
b) The Czar will maintain control over the military of Khata for deployments outside the nation.
c) All other affairs will be governed by a Senate or some form of legislative body which will be responsible to the people through regular elections made available to all Khatan citizens.
d) No governmental funds, laws, or other policies may be established for the benefit of any racial or religious group.

2) The Khatan military is to limit itself to 50,000 ICBM's, with no more than 3 warheads each.

3) The Khatan military will destroy 25% of it's Chemical and Biological weapons stores and will limit funding for further NBC development and production to 3/4ths it's original amount.

4) A De-Militarized Zone will be established in Kahta no less than 30 miles from the all countries that border Kaha. This DMZ will be maintained by Kahtan troops. The DMZ however, will be paid for by both Communist Louisiana and Khata.

5) IADF nations agree not to attack Kahta

If these conditions are broken, it is preposed that a full economic, diplomatic and/or military blockade be mandated by all IADF nations to restore Khata to the conditions of this treaty, using all force short of war.

Czar Sam Fabus

OOC Note: I will not allow foreign troops in Kahta under any circumstance. Nor will I sign a treaty authorizing attacks against me.

The Macabee Empire regretfully is forced to agree with this ultimatum because there are more pressing matters than Kahta. So, we consider it signed.

We will sign if these conditions are met:

1) The yield of all Khatan nuclear missiles (total warhead power, not individual warhead power) is limited to 1 megaton or less.

2) Khata does not deploy artilery within the DMZ. This condition will be monitored by Novikovian satalite passes once every three hours.

"Considering in essence the Kahtan takeover of the former state of Mississippi, we find it necessary to contain the threat that Kahta presents to the world stage, and see this as a necessary step to international peace.

Consider it signed."

Signed
O Presidente Juan Osvaldo Hernadez
http://www.worldpress.org/images/0602chavez.jpg

Kahta, it makes no sense for YOUR troops to patrol the DMZ. That would mean its NOT a DMZ. You know DMZ stands for De-Militarized Zone. That would mean none of our nations troops.

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