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The Kahta situation is a mess, quite frankly. We have people invading him, people discussing it, Kahta RAWRz n00kz0ring t3h w0rzlds and frankly this isn't good RP. I think that everyone involved in the Kahta situation should discuss how to RP is to progress, plan something that is mutually agreeable and also fun to RP.

On the issue of CMDAVE lands and people being absorbed into Kahta, I say we Rp this realistically. Obviously, CMDAVE's people won't disappear into nothing, nor will his land be insta-snapped up by people on "Earth RB". What will happen, however is complete and utter chaos. With the suddenly loss of government, CMDAVE will fall into disarray. There WILL be ultra-nationalists in the army especially who will oppose Kahta, and there will also be elements of the CM military who will come over. In the end, it will take Kahta a long time and a lot of troops to restore order, and since he's about to come under attack from about ten nations I don't think he's in much of a position to do that. Of course, he can go ahead if he wants, but then his armed forces wont be able to defend his own shores very well.

Now, the "Operation Eagle" is just a "omfg n00k t3h w9rol,xk"!22!" thread. It is bad RP, it is not fun and it should be ignored by everyone. It will not earn Kahta any respect, nor will it save his nation. All it will do is kill lots of people's nations. On the other hand, you can see why Kahta has done it - he's going to be smashed into the ground by ten nations. I think the best answer to this is for Kahta, and the attackers, to get together and discuss what will happen to Kahta if he loses, and leave him some scope to RP. That doesn't mean let him off lightly and give him his nation back, but it means not annexing him / nuking him. That isnt good RP either, and that isn't fun RP either.

In the end, I see two alternatives to this RP. It can go down the "Let's arrange this OOCly like friends because as people we're all on the same side and want a fun RP" route, in which case this will be a good story and fun RP, or it can go down the "RAWR kill t3h racist bastard / I'm going out in a n00kular blaze of glory" godmoded piece of trash that will go ignore fest.

The Kahta situation is a mess, quite frankly. We have people invading him, people discussing it, Kahta RAWRz n00kz0ring t3h w0rzlds and frankly this isn't good RP. I think that everyone involved in the Kahta situation should discuss how to RP is to progress, plan something that is mutually agreeable and also fun to RP.

On the issue of CMDAVE lands and people being absorbed into Kahta, I say we Rp this realistically. Obviously, CMDAVE's people won't disappear into nothing, nor will his land be insta-snapped up by people on "Earth RB". What will happen, however is complete and utter chaos. With the suddenly loss of government, CMDAVE will fall into disarray. There WILL be ultra-nationalists in the army especially who will oppose Kahta, and there will also be elements of the CM military who will come over. In the end, it will take Kahta a long time and a lot of troops to restore order, and since he's about to come under attack from about ten nations I don't think he's in much of a position to do that. Of course, he can go ahead if he wants, but then his armed forces wont be able to defend his own shores very well.

Now, the "Operation Eagle" is just a "omfg n00k t3h w9rol,xk"!22!" thread. It is bad RP, it is not fun and it should be ignored by everyone. It will not earn Kahta any respect, nor will it save his nation. All it will do is kill lots of people's nations. On the other hand, you can see why Kahta has done it - he's going to be smashed into the ground by ten nations. I think the best answer to this is for Kahta, and the attackers, to get together and discuss what will happen to Kahta if he loses, and leave him some scope to RP. That doesn't mean let him off lightly and give him his nation back, but it means not annexing him / nuking him. That isnt good RP either, and that isn't fun RP either.

In the end, I see two alternatives to this RP. It can go down the "Let's arrange this OOCly like friends because as people we're all on the same side and want a fun RP" route, in which case this will be a good story and fun RP, or it can go down the "RAWR kill t3h racist bastard / I'm going out in a n00kular blaze of glory" godmoded piece of trash that will go ignore fest.

I agree with Prae. Let's go with the former alternative.

The problem arises when any mutual agreements for RPs go awry, because in the end Kahta is going to be invaded by various nations, and in the end Kahta will lose the war. From my own experience, that is when I invaded Kahta, Kahta is not one to agree on losing and anything RP will, in the end, turn into a nuke fest, and in turn an ignore fest.

As a result, I suggest that everyone just drops the entire thing and allows Kahta to 'eat up' Mississipian territory. We should all ask ourselves, "Why do we care?" and stop using Kahta's thread as a justification for an attack on Kahta, for it will reap little reward.

I don't know, but it's giving me a damned headache. Prae, if it ain't too much trouble, could you add a poll, so people can vote and decide how it should be settled? (Of course, whether the votes will be considered, or just tallied out of curiosity, is up to you)

See my comment in the "Golden Eagle" thread.

I'd like to pause everything in regards to this until DAVE's appeal is denied or granted.

I agree, leave Kahta be...

A) Why do you care? (most people ignore him/her/it (Sorry I don't actually know since DA said He and She lots).

B) Dog Piles are going to be ignored.

C) Does this affect you? Probably not.

As long as Kahta doesn't go around trying to destroy the World on some uber power craze I don't see why we need to take Kahta out.

Besides like Prae said Kahta RP some dissent (if you have ignore this) and have a mini civil war or some defections or something.

On another note, we should plan something out in the event that DAVE is not allowed back.

OOC: In the previous thread Kahta made, FC had solid evidence that VE gave him, rather than Kahta his territories.

On another note, we should plan something out in the event that DAVE is not allowed back.

I am sure most nations would be willing to go along with that.

OOC: In the previous thread Kahta made, FC had solid evidence that VE gave him, rather than Kahta his territories.

Let them squabble between themselves...

Yes, we need to plan something out. Oh and TMG, as much as I sympathise with your point of view this:

C) Does this affect you? Probably not.

As long as Kahta doesn't go around trying to destroy the World on some uber power craze I don't see why we need to take Kahta out.

Could be applied to any war.

Mac is right, Kahta will lose, and unless CMDAVE gets back (which to be perfectly honest is looking unlikely) he will be invaded. Now, I think we should agree on the maximum Kahta can lose, if he lsoes the war (I mean, he might win, who knows?). Kahta, what would you say is the maximum you'd be prepared to lose?

EDIT: Having spoken to DA on MSN and AIM, Kahta is getting his territories officially.

He just cancelled it.

So, let's all think of rules that must be applied before something like this happens again.

OOC: In the previous thread Kahta made, FC had solid evidence that VE gave him, rather than Kahta his territories.


http://s7.invisionfree.com/LOEL/index.php?showtopic=53

From MSN:

Czar Sam Fabus (Kahta) says:
Did you give FC any land?
Czar Fabus http://s7.invisionfree.com/LOEL/index.php?showtopic=51 says:
no

He just cancelled it.

So, let's all think of rules that must be applied before something like this happens again.
He cancelled the ub3r n00ks o' d00m, not the RP. It's not Kahta choice about people invading him.

Thankyou Kahta for doing the right thing with the nukes and everything, now I hope that the "other side" (including me I suppose) is willing to help this too.

Yes, we need to plan something out. Oh and TMG, as much as I sympathise with your point of view this:



Could be applied to any war.

Mac is right, Kahta will lose, and unless CMDAVE gets back (which to be perfectly honest is looking unlikely) he will be invaded. Now, I think we should agree on the maximum Kahta can lose, if he lsoes the war (I mean, he might win, who knows?). Kahta, what would you say is the maximum you'd be prepared to lose?

EDIT: Having spoken to DA on MSN and AIM, Kahta is getting his territories officially.

Actually as a point, I apply that rule generally so I don't tend to get involved where it is out of IC.

The point I was making is that, that attack would have been joined by more nations without IC connections to Kahta or any of the DA crew. Thats what I am anti as well as Dog Piles and 'We destroy you' RP's.

I merely phrased it badly.

But yeah, a maximum loss for either side should be agreed.

Yes, we need to plan something out. Oh and TMG, as much as I sympathise with your point of view this:



Could be applied to any war.

Mac is right, Kahta will lose, and unless CMDAVE gets back (which to be perfectly honest is looking unlikely) he will be invaded. Now, I think we should agree on the maximum Kahta can lose, if he lsoes the war (I mean, he might win, who knows?). Kahta, what would you say is the maximum you'd be prepared to lose?

EDIT: Having spoken to DA on MSN and AIM, Kahta is getting his territories officially.

I agree. To be honest, all I think that, should he lose, he should lose is New Jersey and Pennsylvania- but that's just a thought.

I'm not going to listen to people in this whole debate unless I have RPed with them in the past, they are named "Roach-Busters", or I have discussed this with them on MSN or AIM. Otherwise, they do not fully understand the situation regarding DAVE and his people.

I agree. To be honest, all I think that, should he lose, he should lose is New Jersey and Pennsylvania- but that's just a thought.
M'yes. I'd say something like this:

1) Loss of 1/3 of territory of homeland and all colonies.

2) Reparations.

3) Mandatory arms limitations.

4) Handing over of the Fabusses to be tried in an international court with the maximum sentence being imprisonment for life in a "nice" prison.

5) Installations of a democratic government in Kahta. Note Kahta that this WILL mean a change in RP style, at least for a bit.

6) Protection of the new government against further attack.

EDIT: Kahta this is the problem, you HAVE TO BE WILLING TO GIVE GROUND. I dont want to engage in a philosphical argument about how you cant make everyone in your country believe exactly the same thing and act in exactly the same way, which is defined by the leadership even when there is no leadership, but I really cant be bothered. For the sake of good RP please just give some ground.

Is there talk of DA/VE being revived? If he is revived, Earth RB and Earth DA will henceforth be two separate Earths (Earth DA will be exactly the way it was prior to VE's deletion). But that's only if VE comes back.

Sevaris it seems, is using this situation to take advantage of things ICly. I've controlled Pennsylvania for 2 months and New Jersey since Earth DA was started.

Sevaris it seems, is using this situation to take advantage of things ICly. I've controlled Pennsylvania for 2 months and New Jersey since Earth DA was started.
Yes... when you lose you will lose something Kahta. You wont just kill loads of their troops, then they can be happy with saying "we won" whilst you go abck to normal.

This is going to be a bit messy.

Anyway...as to this situation with Kahta...

As is known or should, Communist Louisana is just south of what was CM/DA/VE. They had a portion of the U.S. chopped up. This effects him, though at the moment he's not on. In one of the threads, CL was going to take this fall as a chance to gain land for reasons of, we could say, defense...issuing a warning to Kahta giving him 48 hours. CL actually already had plans in the works for this area had a possible war struck up between him and DA/VE.

Where do I come into this? I've been watching this situation somewhat due to my being in close proximity and an ally of CL. Close proximity as in for most of my existance I've held territories within the Gulf of Mexico. This is something that affects us.

Figured I'd just throw that in as I watch this.

CL has already issued his warning to Kahta.


EDIT: Sorry, just reviewed your post, and saw that I just reiterated the fact.

Kahta, that's all well and fine, however, you control such a portion, with DAVEs land, of the world that you'd have almost no way garrison your landmass. Not only that, but you are not willing to RP an invasion or resistance. Why would all of his people be loyal to Sam? He's not the only Fabus out there. If you're willing to actually be sensible, I wouldn't ignore you.

EDIT: Kahta this is the problem, you HAVE TO BE WILLING TO GIVE GROUND. I dont want to engage in a philosphical argument about how you cant make everyone in your country believe exactly the same thing and act in exactly the same way, which is defined by the leadership even when there is no leadership, but I really cant be bothered. For the sake of good RP please just give some ground.


I am willing to turn over any Fabuses if I see enough evidence to prove they were convicted of crimes. I will not however, sign a repeat of Versailles.



Kahta
I wouldn't be "tied up"
Sevaris ! says:
Yes, you would
Sevaris ! says:
You'd have to send troops to all his NA territories to link up with remaining MS army units
Sevaris ! says:
And try to get into Africa
DA/VEsays:
what remaining units? They're all there
DA/VEsays:
idiot
DA/VEsays:
you say remaining like most are gone
DA/VEsays:
they're all there
DA/VEsays:
hell, the paramilitaries are still there
Sevaris ! says:
Even though my navy would sweep you out of the water so quick it wouldn't be funny
DA/VEsays:
the WKMCK is in control
DA/VEsays:
the VG is in control
DA/VEsays:
SRG is in control
DA/VEsays:
RGISA is in control
DA/VEsays:
the activation of Project Valkeryie is in control
DA/VEsays:
indeed the revived NEMA is activated
DA/VEsays:
National Emergency Management Agency
DA/VEsays:
suspected leftists in MS are being put into NEMA camps
DA/VEsays:
we've activate NEMA REX 04, a plan drawn up by Curtis and Dieter Thaller
Kahta
hmmm
DA/VEsays:
all private airfields are being taken under RGISA control
Sevaris ! says:
In any case,
Sevaris ! says:
Kahta would be stupid to set foot outside of his borders
DA/VEsays:
the RGISA and NEMA are firmly in control of the MS Federation
Kahta
I have quite possibly, the largest military in NS
DA/VEsays:
anyway, if my appeal is granted, then all of your bubbles are bursted
Kahta
yeah
Sevaris ! says:
To DA's comment, all I can say is I seriously doubt that will happen
Sevaris ! says:
And, to Kahta's, everyone has agreed that you have to use your population as it stands
Kahta
I still have 3 billion people
Kahta
3.2 actually
Sevaris ! says:
And let's consider those who would be fighting against you.

Please read what I actually wrote before you reply. I've had these arguments with DA and you. Just give some ground for the sake of the RP.

Ok, lets just talk this out on MSN, with DA/VE present.

Is there talk of DA/VE being revived? If he is revived, Earth RB and Earth DA will henceforth be two separate Earths (Earth DA will be exactly the way it was prior to VE's deletion). But that's only if VE comes back.

*cough*

As of now, we are discussing a binding conversation on MSN. Message me or praetonia if you want to be involved.

I just wasted 1 hour and 50 mins trying to reason with Kahta, eventually this is the deal I proposed:

1) Kahta loses no territory, government is not affected. No reparations. No colonies lost. No arms limitations.

2) No joining up with the Mississippi Federation.

3) MF / Kahta border to be patrolled along a 5 mile wide DMZ by coalition forces.

4) MF neutrality to be ensured by the coalition.

He refused this. How? Just how?

If you want more details TG Kriegograd. Kahta is IGNOREd.

I told you guys!

I kept the chat logs... I might post them. I dont know.

Can you send them to me over MSN? puto_poeta@msn.com

Just to let everyone know, I'm invading Kahtra in a different thread for different reasons. I hope none of that changes because of this >_>.

Look, here is what I'm going to say to everyone:

I have not lost a war, so I'm not going to give up any of Kahta's rightful territory, until I've lost a war. When I lose a war, then we'll talk.

Look, here is what I'm going to say to everyone:

I have not lost a war, so I'm not going to give up any of Kahta's rightful territory, until I've lost a war. When I lose a war, then we'll talk.

Fine, you'll lose your war against me.

BTW, other People in Earth RB, if we both exist in RB, and I'm FT and he's MT, but my FT is able to be defeated by MT, can I still invade him!?

OO:They are not your 'rightful territories'. You have four choices...
1:Be ignored by every single person on NS.
2:Absorb Mississippi but you DO NOT get his military and civilian people.
3:Leave the Mississippi Federation alone.
4:Get SOME of Mississippis territories(not a majority, but some) while other nations get to take control of the others(you still may not add any population from that territory to your own).

As for you Goa-uld. If you are FT and he is MT, its HIS choice whether he wants to RP with a FTer or not. I am MT, yet I do not rp with FTers.

Fine, you'll lose your war against me.

BTW, other People in Earth RB, if we both exist in RB, and I'm FT and he's MT, but my FT is able to be defeated by MT, can I still invade him!?

No, thats not how it works. Your FT does not exist to me, because I live in modern times, and you live in future times.

OO:They are not your 'rightful territories'. You have four choices...
1:Be ignored by every single person on NS.
2:Absorb Mississippi but you DO NOT get his military and civilian people.
3:Leave the Mississippi Federation alone.
4:Get SOME of Mississippis territories(not a majority, but some) while other nations get to take control of the others(you still may not add any population from that territory to your own).

As for you Goa-uld. If you are FT and he is MT, its HIS choice whether he wants to RP with a FTer or not. I am MT, yet I do not rp with FTers.

OOC: No, its been made quite clear that I can have everything from his nation. I am not however, going to get drawn into a huge war for the African territories, which make up a majority of my claims.

[OOC: Kahta would you accept a diplomatic RP that leads into a war RP...basically Communist Louisiana and the IADF are soon to issue an ultimatum ICly.]

[OOC: Kahta would you accept a diplomatic RP that leads into a war RP...basically Communist Louisiana and the IADF are soon to issue an ultimatum ICly.]

Possibly, my main problem is time, since I have driver-ed 3 times a week for the next 4 weeks. That means that the 2 hours I usually spend doing homework (4-6) will be spent in driver-ed, and I'll do my homework from 6-8 instead.

I don't see a problem with that..my main posting will occur during the weekends anyways.

Look, here is what I'm going to say to everyone:

I have not lost a war, so I'm not going to give up any of Kahta's rightful territory, until I've lost a war. When I lose a war, then we'll talk.
FFS the whole conversation was about what will happen to Kahta when you lose. You're the only one being difficult here. Does ANYONE think that the compromise I proposed is unreasonable? You... you didn't even think it was a compromise. You wanted a compromise to the compromise. I've wasted enough of my life talking to you.

*added to Jolt ignore list*

FFS the whole conversation was about what will happen to Kahta when you lose. You're the only one being difficult here. Does ANYONE think that the compromise I proposed is unreasonable? You... you didn't even think it was a compromise. You wanted a compromise to the compromise. I've wasted enough of my life talking to you.

*added to Jolt ignore list*

Did I ever say it was unreasonable? No.

I oppsed it in principle, because I hadn't lost a war yet, and I'm planning on losing any.

Kahta whats your MSN? Mine is vhayek18@hotmail.com contact me please.