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OOC: http://s7.invisionfree.com/LOEL/index.php?showtopic=53

"This is Czar Sam Fabus, speaking from Kahta City, in my palace. As of this time, I have been given total control of the entire possesions of the Mississippian Federation, through an act by ex-Czar Roger Fabus. As of now, Kahta is in complete control of the Mississippian Federation, and all of its possessions, its military, and its economy.

Furthermore, the militaries of Kahta and VoteEarly are now one, making it quite possible the most powerful military in the world. The force of Kahta is one to be reckoned with. That is all. This is Czar Sam Fabus, signing off."

Ignored!

The Sevarisian government CANNOT and WILL NOT under ANY circumstances recognise Kahtanian control of the former territories of the Mississippian Federation. It is simply out of the question.

-Ministry of Foriegn Affairs

"I'm betting the bands of half starving Ethiopian militiamen that I'm forming right now can kick your ass Sam."-The Great Leader Li.

(OOC: You can keep the land, but you can't have two armies in one. You have to be like us and use your pop, 'kay?)

The Sevarisian government CANNOT and WILL NOT under ANY circumstances recognise Kahtanian control of the former territories of the Mississippian Federation. It is simply out of the question.

-Ministry of Foriegn Affairs

Too late. His armed forces have sworn a loyalty to Kahta.

Czar Sam Fabus

"You will pay for that move with your life Sam. I suggest killing yourself now to save yourself the shame of getting tortured to death on International Television."-The Great Leader Li.

Too late. His armed forces have sworn a loyalty to Kahta.

Czar Sam Fabus

OOC: Talk about impractical...It would be like saying the ENTIRE French military swore loyalty to De Gaulle after France fell- didn't happen. It's not feasible, Kahta. Remember, the MS government has collapsed- so- how could you get word out?

(OOC: You can keep the land, but you can't have two armies in one. You have to be like us and use your pop, 'kay?)

OOC: Yeah, I will, I'll add his total population where it stopped, and add that to mine.

OOC: Yeah, I will, I'll add his total population where it stopped, and add that to mine.
OOC: Ok. Want to go to war? My nation is like 20bn when I add all my puppets together.

OOC: Yeah, I will, I'll add his total population where it stopped, and add that to mine.

(OOC: No, use your normal pop. Your choice would be godmodding.)

ooc: So the government collapses but all of the people stay where they are? And none of the army members desert? Not to mention that after being freed of one oppressive government they are taken over by another. You might be able to take it oiver, but you would have to fight off revolts against your rule, and when you took over the capabilities would be much reduced from what they were.

(OOC: No, use your normal pop. Your choice would be godmodding.)


((OOC: The Island of Rose is right. You can only use your normal population for your military's size. To do otherwise would be godmodding))

OOC: I'm confused. If we aren't to assume that VoteEarly's MS didn't simply vanish from the face of the Earth as we always do with deletions (god forbid anything VE do be normal :D), why would their fleeing leaders have any authority over the country whatsoever? For them to have been driven out of a nation as... well, paranoidly defended as MS, there must have been some sort of massive rebellion or something. Either way, they obviously wouldn't have the support of the military because otherwise they wouldn't have needed to run away in the first place. And knowing the maniacs in charge of VE, I doubt they just had a change of heart and left their power willingly. Technically they didn't, what with VE being deleted against his will...
If there has been a revolution, the military itself wouldn't go to Kahta, simply because it's so similar to MS that a people have often suspected you and VE to be the same person. So why exactly is there any feasible reason for you to have just been 'given' the whole of MS, a country which doesn't even exist anymore anyway? The same sort of question applies to people who are falling over each other to get at the Fabuses, who technically shouldn't exist anymore as is done with most deletions. Why is VE any different, exactly?
Secondly, shouldn't you be waiting to see what the result of VE's appeal is?

OOC: I'm confused. If we aren't to assume that VoteEarly's MS didn't simply vanish from the face of the Earth as we always do with deletions (god forbid anything VE do be normal :D), why would their fleeing leaders have any authority over the country whatsoever? For them to have been driven out of a nation as... well, paranoidly defended as MS, there must have been some sort of massive rebellion or something. Either way, they obviously wouldn't have the support of the military because otherwise they wouldn't have needed to run away in the first place. And knowing the maniacs in charge of VE, I doubt they just had a change of heart and left their power willingly. Technically they didn't, what with VE being deleted against his will...
If there has been a revolution, the military itself wouldn't go to Kahta, simply because it's so similar to MS that a people have often suspected you and VE to be the same person. So why exactly is there any feasible reason for you to have just been 'given' the whole of MS, a country which doesn't even exist anymore anyway? The same sort of question applies to people who are falling over each other to get at the Fabuses, who technically shouldn't exist anymore as is done with most deletions. Why is VE any different, exactly?
Secondly, shouldn't you be waiting to see what the result of VE's appeal is?


OOC:
-claps-
Good point.

OOC: Operation Valkerie (sp?) calls for the armed forces of the Mississippian Federation, in the face of a removal of power in Mississippi, to remain loyal to the next ruling Fabus monarchy, which would be Kahta. Czar Sam Fabus is married to Victoria Fabus, the daughter of Curtis Fabus. Thus, Sam has control of the military, and with it, the Mississippian Federation. If you don't understand why no one would desert, you don't understand the Mississippian Federation. Its a police state, where the state comes first.

(OOC: And that's all well and good. But RP standards state that you need to use your normal pop, not this mixed nation stuff. You need to use the Kahtan population only. Which is: 3.256 billion. Therefore, you need to base the army off that no matter what.)

OOC: It is general practise that when accounts are deleted they vanish, as does everythign pertaining to them, except Earth territories, when become available again for conquest. Kahta, I am this close to IGNORing you.

OOC: Operation Valkerie (sp?) calls for the armed forces of the Mississippian Federation, in the face of a removal of power in Mississippi, to remain loyal to the next ruling Fabus monarchy, which would be Kahta. Czar Sam Fabus is married to Victoria Fabus, the daughter of Curtis Fabus. Thus, Sam has control of the military, and with it, the Mississippian Federation. If you don't understand why no one would desert, you don't understand the Mississippian Federation. Its a police state, where the state comes first.

OOC: But why are the Fabuses leaving in the first place unless the military forced them out, thus clearly stating what they think of the Fabus legacy?
Also, what about the reams and reams of people who are ignoring VE but not you? Won't they just move that ignore on to you? Combined with the fact that few people here seem to be accepting it, that might make RPing in the future a little difficult.
I'm pretty sure it would just be a lot easier for everyone to assume the simple mysterious disappearence of MS. Experiment with a fusion power station gone awry or something.

To the people of the World.
The Teutonic Empire of Lavenrunz has not approved of certain internal policies of Kahta and of the Mississippian Federation. However, neither do we agree with the pressures being put on at present.
There is as yet no proof that Kahta has the authority claimed over the Mississippian Federation. However, I would like to suggest the following.
1. Mississippian territory to fall under international control pending a decisive understanding of the situation.
2. That threatening Kahta will be unacceptable. It will result in Lavenrunz, for instance, using all influence to intervene and prevent a war.
3. Cessation of all talk of using WMDs; we can surely discuss this like civilized people.
4. A neutral organization, such as the International Mediation Council, can help deal with this situation.

I will, rather than permit a senseless slaughter, stand by Kahta in this matter.

Empress Aurora von Sachshausen

OOC: also...you guys, it was a sudden deletion. Let's try to deal with it in character. I encourage Kahta to do so likewise. whatever he SAYS, he has yet to prove it.

We the holy republics are sworn enemies towards Kahta and its czar, we will send a command team to control the area until further notice.

ooc: Ignored

ooc:
*clouds roll over Kahta, and when they part, Kahta no longer exists*
Kahta=Ignored

]†[ Czar Charles Hayden ]†[ -- Изяществом Любезностью Бога, Императора И Великого Диктатора Всей Конфедерации says:
Howdy
Czar Fabus (Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto) says:
hey
Czar Fabus (Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto) says:
http://s7.invisionfree.com/LOEL/index.php?showtopic=30
]†[ Czar Charles Hayden ]†[ -- Изяществом Любезностью Бога, Императора И Великого Диктатора Всей Конфедерации says:
Yeah. DPUO reported it to the mods.
Czar Fabus (Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto) says:
Then there is the ultra-classified, "Project Armageddon", to be initiated only if the regime ended. So secret, Roger didn't even know. Curtis signed secret plans that if MS was defeated and all was lost, every nuclear reactor was to be purposefully melted-down, all nuclear bomb storage bunkers detonated, and MS satellite based nukes fired at all targets, MS and Commonwealth. In Curti's words,
Czar Fabus (Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto) says:
when he wrote it up, "If the Mississippian people should lose a war and become occupied, then the Mississippian people would not deserve to live."

Czar Fabus (Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto) says:
There were also orders for after the nuclear attacks, to break open all dams, flooding tens of millions of acres, cause massive chemical spills, etc. Basically his "Project Aramgeddon" would do to MS what Hitler had done to Germany in the last months of the war, only the SRG actually would have done all they were told, whereas many German units just realized the war was lost and they might as well
]†[ Czar Charles Hayden ]†[ -- Изяществом Любезностью Бога, Императора И Великого Диктатора Всей Конфедерации says:
heh.
]†[ Czar Charles Hayden ]†[ -- Изяществом Любезностью Бога, Императора И Великого Диктатора Всей Конфедерации says:
So you're not coming back?
Czar Fabus (Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto) says:
i am
Czar Fabus (Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto) says:
yes
Czar Fabus (Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto) says:
if appeal is allowed
]†[ Czar Charles Hayden ]†[ -- Изяществом Любезностью Бога, Императора И Великого Диктатора Всей Конфедерации says:
and if it isn't? Youll make a new nation?

Czar Fabus (Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto) says:
nah
]†[ Czar Charles Hayden ]†[ -- Изяществом Любезностью Бога, Императора И Великого Диктатора Всей Конфедерации says:
youll just leave for good??? v.v
]†[ Czar Charles Hayden ]†[ -- Изяществом Любезностью Бога, Императора И Великого Диктатора Всей Конфедерации says:
does this mean all of your alliances will die?
Czar Fabus (Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto) says:
if I don't get allowed to come back, you may officially take charge of all lands and alliances
Czar Fabus (Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto) says:
and armed forces of the MS Federation
Czar Fabus (Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto) says:
and if people don't agree, just ignore them and tell them they should respect my wishes
]†[ Czar Charles Hayden ]†[ -- Изяществом Любезностью Бога, Императора И Великого Диктатора Всей Конфедерации says:
Thank you...
]†[ Czar Charles Hayden ]†[ -- Изяществом Любезностью Бога, Императора И Великого Диктатора Всей Конфедерации says:
It is an honor.


That speaks for itself.

and if people don't agree, just ignore them and tell them they should respect my wishes




Uuuuuh huh, riiiiiiiiiight. Fascinating. As someone pointed out, I ignored VE, therefore the ignore goes on to whoever takes his army.

VE is dead, his nation does not exist, there was never a nation called VoteEarly. This is what a deletion does. No army, no Fabuses, no territories. He is gone.

OOC: I never said I wanted the territory. Just Kahta has pissed me off with OOC remarks, so I'm rubbing that comment in his face. Personally, I could careless if he takes the territory. He isn't a Fabus by blood either way.

The diplomatic ban on VoteEarly, it's territories and it's successor state still applies and will not be lifted despite the collapse of the VoteEarly empire.

Lord Smith
Acting Foreign Minister of Jeruselem

Communist Louisiana will not recognize Kahta as the new leaders of VE territories in North America. We will furthermore issue this warning.

Kahta forces are to with drawl from North American VE territories or face open war with Communist Louisiana. We have been mobilizing troops to the Mississippi River for some month now and now have millions ready to invade if need be.

You will have 48 hours to pull out or face open war with Communist Louisiana and possibly her allies.

Premier Daniel C. Dufour
Premier of the CCP of CL
New Orleans, Louisiana, CL

OCC: I am doing this b/c VE and I were always geographical neighbors and rped like such. I control West of the Mississippi and he controlled East of it. I will not have another racist control the Eastern US. Especially a foreign racist nation who threatens the security of my allies and the empire of Communist Louisiana.

VE never existed. You are all arguing over something that never existed. Stop.

Communist Louisiana will not recognize Kahta as the new leaders of VE territories in North America. We will furthermore issue this warning.

Kahta forces are to with drawl from North American VE territories or face open war with Communist Louisiana. We have been mobilizing troops to the Mississippi River for some month now and now have millions ready to invade if need be.

You will have 48 hours to pull out or face open war with Communist Louisiana and possibly her allies.

Premier Daniel C. Dufour
Premier of the CCP of CL
New Orleans, Louisiana, CL

OCC: I am doing this b/c VE and I were always geographical neighbors and rped like such. I control West of the Mississippi and he controlled East of it. I will not have another racist control the Eastern US. Especially a foreign racist nation who threatens the security of my allies and the empire of Communist Louisiana.

Kahta and VoteEarly have merged into one state. Vote Early has been annexed by Kahta.

Czar Sam Fabus

OOC: Everything of his is still there.

OOC: Yeah, I will, I'll add his total population where it stopped, and add that to mine.

OOC: Ignored on principal... I don't mind nations taking over land and incorperating nations into their own, but it's generally concidered god-modding to combine two nations populations in that manner as it would mean any idiot could combine all his puppets into one super nation. I concider any IC assets of his to the same as a puppet nation, combining it with the main nation is ignorable.

But meh, thats my view on it.

[OOC: Yes, I agree with Kahta's incorporation of Mississipi's old domains on Earth DA and abroad, however, I do not agree with any merging of populations.

In fact, Kahta's population is in the three billions I would assume, so perhaps it would make an interesting RP where you explain how you got so large so quickly (because face it, population increases are huge on NS), and you could add the incorporation of DAs territories as part of it...nobody has done it before and it would be a very interesting read.]

OOC: To be honest, I have no problem with him adding pops together, or adding territory together, so long as he RPs reinvading CM and so long as he is prepared to accept that there will be wide spread chaos, ultra-nationalists in the army who WILL attack his invading forces to try to keep DAVE independance etc.

Yes, that seems as the more proper channel - I advocate that Kahta does just the following, although in another thread because this one has been clogged up.

(OOC: This is going to turn out interesting. May just have to make a return from isolation)