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Offical Press Release: Ministry of the Exterrior, Kanuckistan;

"Esteemed members of the international comminuty," a tall, caucasian male of tanned complexion began from behind a podium, ice blue eyes watching the crowd reporters befor him.

"I come befor you to relay news of a most heinous act, commited by the Federal Navy of Germanische Zustande in the Godularn system of Thorn."

He doesn't turn as a screen to his right comes to life, displaying a sensor plot of the Thorn system; civilian and military vessels of Godular, a lone, Kanuckistani vessel, and a Federal battlefleet some 500 strong present.

"After verbal attempts to annex the system from their own allies, followed by attempting to evict, and then extort the prospector KCV Daggerfall after it had been authorised to continue mining operations by the rightful authorities of Godular, Federal forces fired upon the vessel within intent to murder it's crew for daring to defy them."

The sensor plot comes into motion, the GZ fleet closing with and firing upon the Daggerfall, itself engaged in mining operations. The Daggerfall is hit repeatedly befor it managed to jump, not away, but amoungst the Federal fleet.

Missile plots explode from the prospector as it dumps it's magizines amoungst the heart of the enemy, mauled further by hostile fire, and finally managing to perform an emergency jump to where a large Godularn tastforce has arrived; the plot blurring, contacts and data markers vanishing, befor what is indicated as only a passive gravitic plot centered on the Daggerfall reforms - her other sensors either fried or offline from a mix of enemy fire and the emercency jump. The ship is tractored by a Godular vessel, which then jumps roughly a light-day away with the prospector in tow. The plot freezes.


"They failed, but the Daggerfall paid dearly. We will not, however, tollerate acts of piracy against our people, even when they do fail. Not from independents, and certaintly not from interstellar governments."

He paused then, letting the weight of his accusations sink in befor continuing.

"It is thus that I must demand that the government of the United Federation of Germanische Zustande turn over the commanders responsible for these most heinous of acts for prosecution and sentencing by Kanuckistani courts. An opertunity to show the peoples of this galaxy that they do not abide pirates amoungst their officer corps."

Another pause, shorter this time; his voice grave as he continued.

"If they refuse to comply, we will have little choice but to take that as affirmation that this action was sanctioned by their government. If so, then we will not - can, not, abide this blaintent Act of War against our people."

Silence followed, befor he collected his notes, and the raucous noise of a hundred voices sounding as reporters filled the air with all manner of question. But he would have none of it - Bob McBob, Minister of the Exterrior, simply turned, and strode from the stage, leaving reporters and networks to their own speculation.


EDIT:

OOC Link:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=395966

OOC: *chants while pumping fist in air* FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! :D

IC:
We are most displeased with the performance recently of UFGZ, and urge them to pursue the correct course of action to prevent war.

~ State Department response.

OOC: *Continues chanting*

OOC: Tag. I will issue a statement from the UFGZ High Council sometime later tonight. I will provide my own propaganda, in response to yours. Don't ya just love misinformation and spin?

IC:

The UFGZ requires time to prepare an official statement. Word will be sent to the Kanuckistani as to the decision of the High Council, as well as the afore mentioned statement. We do however, cordially invite a representative of the Kanuckistani Fleet to the Federal Military World of Normandeicht. We believe you are aware of the coordinates...

-The UFGZ Foreign Ministry Office

Statement from Adjutant General Achaedus:

We feel it necessary to apologize to Kanuckistan for the poor treatment of their vessel within the confines of Thorn. We had previously allowed the Kanuckistani vessel to mine the system for as much as it required to fulfill its mission.

We were unaware of any claim GZ held upon the system, and are still somewhat skeptical of the buffer-zone claim, being that there was no recognizable sign of prior visitation in any way before the arrival of our initial occupational force. Nine-Tenth's rule being what it is...

However, the issue is somewhat moot. We were not inclined to assist either side of the conflict, as one side was simply there on business we had allowed, and the other was an ally from ages past. We do not turn on allies or visitors, and were only able to take action "After the Fact".

We also must apologize for the following:

As of this moment, due to escalating tensions between both Kanuckistan and the UFGZ, all non-diplomatic vessels from either side are restricted from entering the system of Thorn for a period of one-year or until we can be satisfactorily assured that no conflict will break out within the confines of our system between the two nationalities. This is for our own protection more than anything, and again apologize for any inconvenience this might cause.

If necessary, Thorn may be utilized as a Neutral Ground to commence whatever diplomatic actions are required, as we would very much prefer to see this disagreement ended peacefully.

In protest of UFGZ's actions within our system, we will have no part in any conflict regarding this matter, save the provision of whatever sensor logs either side would require in accordance with whatever investigative purposes they are needed for.

Respectfully,

Adjutant General Achaedus, High Commander of Godulan Fleet, Thorn System

OOC: Tag. I will issue a statement from the UFGZ High Council sometime later tonight. I will provide my own propaganda, in response to yours. Don't ya just love misinformation and spin?


OOC:
Actually, unless one recognises your rather thin claim on the system, my story is pretty much the straight truth.

So :p

Taggy for ESUS treaty section IIIa matters.

Tagged, in preparation of ESUS Constitution, Section 3, Subsection A.

The plot thickens.

Tagged, in preparation of ESUS Constitution, Section 3, Subsection A.

TAG for same reason.

Tagging, maybe I'll finally get to save GZ's butt this time, instead of the whole thing ending in one big ignorefest.

Tagging, maybe I'll finally get to save GZ's butt this time, instead of the whole thing ending in one big ignorefest.

OOC:
I take it you're going to convince him to give up the officers that attempted to bully and murder my civvies, then?

;)

OOC:
I take it you're going to convince him to give up the officers that attempted to bully and murder my civvies, then?

;)

Hardly, there needs to be SOME knowledge of my ships and their appearences for what I plan to go off correctly.

ooc: Typing up response now... during commercials...

And no, actually, everything is from perspective. The whole premise upon which our disagreement was based was our claim as a fringe buffer system. Other than that, pretty much all of your release was propaganda... Oh, the recounting of the sensor logs was almost accurate...

Anyway, I wonder why none of the Dagerfall's communications were included... Hmm... I wonder...

ooc: Typing up response now... during commercials...

And no, actually, everything is from perspective. The whole premise upon which our disagreement was based was our claim as a fringe buffer system. Other than that, pretty much all of your release was propaganda... Oh, the recounting of the sensor logs was almost accurate...

Anyway, I wonder why none of the Dagerfall's communications were included... Hmm... I wonder...

OOC:
Because the communications would have taken too long; I tried to keep it fairly streamlined - the Daggerfall was rude and insulted you, that was it; words don't justify murder. And the sensor logs were suposed to be a direct transcript from the Daggerfall; it's close enough.

As for the dispute itself, if one doesn't recognise your claim to the system, you had no legal standing from which to 'fine' or attack the the prospector, and thus it was extortion, attempted piracy, and attempted murder.

Your entire case rests on you having jurisdiction over a system in which you had no markers or presence at all, and which had already been settled by Godular for some time. Those are extreamly shaky grounds.

Face it; your guys were in the wrong, even if they thought they were right.



And you can consider an full transcript of the event to have been given to the press after Bob McBob left. I've nothing to hide; the truth only condems you.

ooc:

*ahem*

The truth as YOUR people see it.

:D

ooc:

*ahem*

The truth as YOUR people see it.

:D


OOC:

No, the truth unless one recognises your far fetched claim on the Thorn system - even then, you agreed to 'let' Godular have it, which would give them final say.

Besides, he did 'pay' you as best as he was able; his mining operations were, effectivly, the locating and trans-shipping rich asteroids to a distant smelter, where they'd arrive well after he'd left Thorn. Detonating a mining charge on one and saying 'Ok, that's yours' was really the only thing he could do.

ooc: And did he warn the Federal Fleet of this fact? No. He used it as a chance to incite war.

ooc: And did he warn the Federal Fleet of this fact? No. He used it as a chance to incite war.

OOC:
Warn them of what? He failed to inform them that he couldn't deliver on what he viewed as extortion in a conventional fasion.

He did not 'incite war'; he insulted you officers and, at most, would apear to be refusing to pay your 'fine' - which by most acounts, you had no legal right to issue.

And so Mr. Rightous McTriggerhappy decided to kill him. For over words and a fine. Knowingly it would likly start a war with a major interstellar power.

Sorry, but he did nothing which would justify your attack, and it was your attack which would be the action to 'incite war'.

Of course, your government can still avoid war by turning over the officers responsible for the attack and washing their hands of the matter. It would save countless innocent lives.

ooc: I seriously doubt your people are innocent, Kanuckistan.

By the way, I just want to say it now... No hard OOC feelings... these are just OOC IC barbs... But, how else were we supposed to deal with the Prospector, eh? Laugh it out of the system?

ooc: I seriously doubt your people are innocent, Kanuckistan.

By the way, I just want to say it now... No hard OOC feelings... these are just OOC IC barbs... But, how else were we supposed to deal with the Prospector, eh? Laugh it out of the system?

OOC:
Maybe realise you had no recognisible claim to the system prior to just then showing up, and leave it alone as Godular had already cleared them to continue operations?

I mean, geeze; you didn't even try to tractor or board first to 'arrest' it, you just suddenly decided to blow it out of the sky for little more than verbal provocation.

And the only thing my guy's possibly guilty of is being rude and not recognising your aparently-after-the-fact claim to a system settled by 3rd party nation.

OOC:
Warn them of what? He failed to inform them that he couldn't deliver on what he viewed as extortion in a conventional fasion.

He did not 'incite war'; he insulted you officers and, at most, would apear to be refusing to pay your 'fine' - which by most acounts, you had no legal right to issue.

And so Mr. Rightous McTriggerhappy decided to kill him. For over words and a fine. Knowingly it would likly start a war with a major interstellar power.

Sorry, but he did nothing which would justify your attack, and it was your attack which would be the action to 'incite war'.

Of course, your government can still avoid war by turning over the officers responsible for the attack and washing their hands of the matter. It would save countless innocent lives.


Well, to be fair, starting a war over this is just as rash.

Well, to be fair, starting a war over this is just as rash.

You mean starting a war over one of your ships being attacked is rash? At any rate, Kanuckistan has provided GZ a way out. If GZ wants to avoid a war, he'll take it. If not, then we may be in for an interesting RP in the near future.

Communique to the Kanuckistani Imperialists:

If the KCV Daggerfall, its crew, its AI, and any other Kanuckistani citizens/property involved are turned over to Federal Courts, the UFGZ will release Commodore L'Salle, and Lieutenant Commander Verstummel to your Dominion.

If these terms are unacceptable, then we are at an impasse.

The next move is yours,

-Foreign Ministry Office

ooc: My official statement: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=402574

OOC: Don't send them GZ, you can win against Kanuckistan! The battleplates are only big targets.

OOC: Don't send them GZ, you can win against Kanuckistan! The battleplates are only big targets.


I know I can win. :D But my Bismarcks are even bigger targets.

^jest^

You mean starting a war over one of your ships being attacked is rash? At any rate, Kanuckistan has provided GZ a way out. If GZ wants to avoid a war, he'll take it. If not, then we may be in for an interesting RP in the near future.

Shall I name the slew of RL examples where a nation's ship was attacked (and I may note, this is warships, not a private prospector) and the victim did NOT declare war?

Shall I name the slew of RL examples where a nation's ship was attacked (and I may note, this is warships, not a private prospector) and the victim did NOT declare war?

Shall I point out that Kanuckistan is not a RL nation? And is thus not governed by RL precedent? Shall I point out that the Kanuckistani are very protective of their property and regard the destruction or near destruction of one of their ships as being a very important thing?

RL politics=/= NS politics!

Shall I name the slew of RL examples where a nation's ship was attacked (and I may note, this is warships, not a private prospector) and the victim did NOT declare war?

An attack against a Warship is an attack on enlisted men, who were willing to die for their country. An attack on a civilian, is a dishonorable, cowardly action, and should be persued with utmost vigilance. If you yourself are out fishing near cuba, and your fishing vessel was attacked, would you not wish the US to take action to prevent it from happening to someone else?

I know I can win. :D But my Bismarcks are even bigger targets.

^jest^

OOC:
Eh, you better be justing; I'm more than twice your size, have alot of toys never shown, and Battleplates and Superfortress' have never been fully and properly utalised. ;)



Communique to the Kanuckistani Imperialists:

If the KCV Daggerfall, its crew, its AI, and any other Kanuckistani citizens/property involved are turned over to Federal Courts, the UFGZ will release Commodore L'Salle, and Lieutenant Commander Verstummel to your Dominion.

If these terms are unacceptable, then we are at an impasse.

The next move is yours,

-Foreign Ministry Office


To: The Triggerhappy Pirates of Germanische Zustande

After careful consideration, it's been decided that your proposed agreement would sufficently discourage future agression against our people when abroad without necessitating further loss of life.

You are free to take what remains of the Daggerfall, and those that survive aboard her, into custody, in exchange for Commodore L'Salle and Lieutenant Commander Verstummel - the Daggerfall's coordinates are enclosed, and a transport will arrive there shortly after confirmation to accept the transfer of the accused. They will also insure the Daggerfall's surrender.

However, I must urge caution when aproaching and boarding the Daggerfall; befor we lost her feed, we monitored extensive damage to her reactors and fuel containment systems. There was too much damage to internal sensors to be sure, but our analysts belive that there's a fair chance those systems may be rather volitile, and the last thing anyone needs is an accident of that kind in an already fragile political climate.

Also, I must insist that the bodies of the dead amoungst the Daggerfall's crew be turned over to their relatives to be laid to rest as their belifes requior.

Signed:
http://tinypic.com/1y1t79
Minister Bob McBob,
Department of the Exterrior,
Kanuckistan

The screen flickered to life as a gretchin slave increased his speed, turning the oversized hampster wheel that charged a turbine that in turn powered the Orkish vidscreen. Warlord Brunk settled into his Big Boss Kommand Throne, chomping down on a unidentifiable peice of meat as he did so.

A news report crackled over the sub-etha, an anchorman with a vapid look to him filling the screen. Brunk was about to change channels, perhaps Ultimate Survivor Meat-packing Plant was on, when a word caught his and every other Ork on the bridge attention. "Tensions seem to have reached a peak between the two powers, and arms dealers are eagerly expecting a war between GZ and Kanuckistan in the next few weeks. The latest round of talks however-"

At this point the gretchin, already malnourished and mistreated, completely collapsed and was immediately set upon by his kin. Brunk took no notice of the gory feeding-frenzy playing out behind him though, he was thinking about that magical word the newz-man had said. If there was going to be a war anywhere, he and his Boyz were going to be damn-sure they were in it.

OOC: Taggerz.

OOC: I'd like to point out that most civilian vessels do NOT carry thousands of Military-Grade missiles...

And secondly, I'd like to point out to Kanuckistan that what he mentioned does not guarantee a swift and easy victory. Especially size... Nothing to do with it... For instance, how did the Germans manage to stave off the Americans, British, and Russians for 4 years before eventually beginning to lose due to idiotic tactical maneuvers/mistakes?

IC:

Communique to the Unlawful Imperialist Kanuckistani:

We will NOT fetch your vessel ourselves. We expect the Daggerfall to be delivered to Normandeicht by a barge or equivalent. We also require that the vessel delivering the Daggerfall be completely unarmed, save for defensive systems incapable of use as offensive weapons. Once the Daggerfall is turned over to Federal Forces above Normandeicht, and far from any Federal Vessels, we will hand over the Commodore and Lieutenant Commander to the vessel which has delivered the Prospector.

Secondly, we demand the right to Due Process of Law in Kanuckistani Courts for our Officers, and we also demand a Judge Advocate General team be allowed to defend them. We also demand that our officers have the right to appeals should the outcome of the courts be unfavorable. We also demand Federal Evidence to be admissible in Kanuckistani Courts.

Good day,

-Foreign Ministry Office

OOC: I'd like to point out that most civilian vessels do NOT carry thousands of Military-Grade missiles...


OOC:
Nearly all Kanuckistani vessels, civilian or not, are outfitted with military surplus armament to discourage pirates and to facilitate their use in defence of homeland should the unthinkible happen - as a people, we're fairly paranoid with defence. And we like 'sposives. :D ;)

Also it wasn't thousands; rather, a single thousand.



Communique to the Unlawful Imperialist Kanuckistani:

Our sensor logs indicate communications between the Prospector and an installation somewhere on Earth. We have inferred that whatever was on Earth was the source of many of the instigating messages, and is therefore also a party to the unlawful actions of the Prospector, and could also have caused the eventual deaths of both the Prospector's crew, and Federal Personnel.


OOC:
All long-term networking is done via entanglment, and hence can't be 'detected' as there is nothing transmitted to intercept.

In other words, connection to anything outside the ship is, ICly, unknowible. Except for the feed that the High Gaurd had, because they told you of that. Of course, they have a feed from all Kanuckistani vessels.

ooc: Heh. I really wanted my war. Dern. DERN DERN DERN. Evil. Alrighty.

ooc: There's your message. :D

To: The Self-Righteous Triggerhappy Pirates of Germanische Zustande

Your damands regaurding legal matters are all either inapplicible given how our courts operate, or unnecessary. The defendents shall simply be requiored to recount the event in full under a truthoscope, and the Arbiter given access to all avalible data - all are entitled to submit anything of relivence, by the way - to consider the contributing factors, outcome, precidents, etc.

You may request appeal, and if two or more Arbiters find serious flaw in the judgment of the first after examining all the evidence, a retrial befor a Tribunal of Arbiters will be granted. If serious flaw is not found by atleast two, they can only advise the first to reconsider his or her judgment; this usually results in little more than a slight change in sentence, however. That is as far as appeal goes - charges of this magnitude are always delt with at the top levels of our justice system, so there is no higher authority to appeal to. Unless the God Emperor wishes to step in, but that's his perogitive.

As far as the Daggerfall goes, we felt you would want to take custody of it as soon as possible, and without Kanuckistani intervention. Given the aparent and unsuprising lack of trust in this matter, it was doubted that you would allow us access to the craft befor you took posesion of it.

If you still wish us to transport the vessel, I must insist that your forces observe the transport - perferibly with 3rd parties present - to insure that no accusations of tampering can be made.

Signed:
http://tinypic.com/1y1t79
Minister Bob McBob,
Department of the Exterrior,
Kanuckistan

Communique to the Unlawful Imperialist Warmongering Condescending Kanuckistani:

In light of your almost self-incriminating statement about the possibility of tampering, our Fleets will take the vessel into custody. However, the nation of Godular has banned our military vessels from our own system. Added to the fact we are rather wary of sending a Civilian Vessel unarmed and unescorted into a possible Kanuckistani trap, this may present a problem.

The UFGZ is also now sure of the excusal of all charges against our officers, as "all relivent information" would include the testimonies of our other officers, mainly those who have monitored the Kaluza system for many years, as well as sensor logs, and the minor failure of our sensors which allowed Godulan presence to go undetected for roughly a week. With said information, our officers would surely be dropped of all charges.

We present then an offer. The UFGZ send all relevent data to your Dominion, and if preliminary hearings determine the need for trial, the UFGZ will collect the Daggerfall and hand over L'Salle and Verstummel.

Lastly, from our understanding of your society/people/nation, most civilian mining vessels have an owner, or controller, not present on board the vessel. This figure usually has a hand in most of the dealings of the vessel when not present on board. We specifically asked for all involved, and if it is found that any others involved were not mentioned, it further proves your lawlessness.

-Foreign Ministry Office

To: The Paranoid Self-Righteous Triggerhappy Pirates of Germanische Zustande


Although a full light-day is generally regaurded as being beyond the edge of a system, you still have military vessels present in Thorn; they can easily pick it up on their way out. As for my comment on tampering, I was attempting to aleviatee any percived possibility for tampering; you obviously don't trust us, so it seemed a wise precaution to insure any concerns that your people may develop regaurding such are blaintently impossible.

The fact that we would raise such issues should be reassuring; one does not attempt to make it impossible to tamper with something if they intend to tamper with it. To think otherwise without atleast precident is sheer paranoia.

As far as a preliminary trial is concerned, such a mechanism is not present in out justice system - atleast not in these matters. Given the relativly expediant nature of our system, and the infrequent nature of crimes of this magnitude, there has never been need to develop such a device to reduce case-loads.

And we will have to insist that the exchange take place at the same time. This is both fair - as matters of justice should always strive to be - and ensures neither side can back out after reciving their accused. We have no problem with deploying a disarmed vessel for this purpose, or for you to utalise an armed one.

As for the Daggerfall's ownership, it was owned by itself - or rather, it's owner/captain was perminantly intigrated into the ship's control system, rendering them effectivly the same being. Records indicate that the Daggerfall's sentience - the owner/captain and ship have the same name - is wholly contained onboard.


Signed:
http://tinypic.com/1y1t79
Minister Bob McBob,
Department of the Exterrior,
Kanuckistan


OOC:
Ya know, I'm really not in the mood for a major war.

And Kanuckistan's records have been altered, so they're being as truthful as they can; the Daggerfall has friends(and friends of friends who don't like your nation) who exploited their connections and some legislation regaurding Distributed Sentients to have his main ship-self declared a discrete person as a result of Continuity Drift between the vessel's Alpha Nodes and the rest of his net, and for the records to show this happened well befor the incident in Thorn.

'cause I'm trying to branch out into smaller scale RP and I like the character.

ooc> Tag. Luckily, things seem to be devolving peacefully. I will make an official statement when I get home and finish reading the backround.

To the Domineering, Imperialistic, Unlawful, Warmongering, Condescending, Honorless Kanuckistani:

We have attached the relevent data from the battle, as well as sensor logs of the Myternian Sector, more specifically the Kaluza/Thorn system. You may consult these from our Official Statement(http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=402574). The sensor logs of the Myternian Sector have been edited of all information which could be used to a strategic advantage against our people, thus, only the records of the Kaluza and surrounding systems have been included.

We await your expedient reply as to whether or not trial is required. The evidence shows that we have monitored the system for many centuries, and that we were rightfully in jurisdiction of the system. However, if trial is required by your laws after even reviewing the overwhelming evidence, we will prepare the Commodore and Lieutenant Commander for Interstellar Trial, to be conducted over a virtual court. Upon delivery of your verdict, they shall either be overturned for punishment, or released back to their original lives.

-UFGZ Foreign Ministry Office

ooc: I haven't had time to respond lately.

ooc: I haven't had time to respond lately.

OOC:
You couldn't spare five minutes to ask that the RP be put on hold because you're too busy to RP?

You've left me hanging for three fricking weeks; I considered this RP dead, and had long sense moved on.

So much so that I now consider this RP untenable.

ooc> I have to agree with Kanuckistan. Such poor forum tact is unacceptable, especially since this has happened before with you.

ooc: Yeah... okay... bad habit... untenable... alrighty then. At least this means I get to keep my commanders, free of "charge". Excuse the pun...

ooc: Hey, Kanuckistan? Would you mind if we finished this thing up? I won't let what happened happen again. And if, for whatever reason, I can't post, I'll inform you so you don't have to get mad waiting for a reply.

ooc: Hey, Kanuckistan? Would you mind if we finished this thing up? I won't let what happened happen again. And if, for whatever reason, I can't post, I'll inform you so you don't have to get mad waiting for a reply.

OOC:
I don't really have alot of time to RP, and I'm not really feeling up to it in most cases, anyway. It's not really viable anymore anyway; Kanuckistan is changing, fundimentally.

ooc: Alrighty then. But if you ever feel up to it, can we do a Back-RP and finish this up? I hate having it just sit, half-done... If you only ever feel like it... By the way, I don't believe I apologized for leaving you for three weeks, so I do so now.

ooc> Wow, people sure have mood swings around here.

BTW, Kanuckistan: how is your nation changing? Are you going away from the police nation and more towards something else?

ooc> Wow, people sure have mood swings around here.

BTW, Kanuckistan: how is your nation changing? Are you going away from the police nation and more towards something else?

OOC:
Long story short; Kanuckistan is leaving, eventually. Kanuckistani aren't.

Atleast, that's the plan; it's still subject to change.