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"To be brief, the chellian parliament has declared two new laws with our gibraltar waters. The first is that anybody declined passage through the waters may now appeal to a specially appointed chellian committee to ask for re-admittance, this is done in response to the fact that we don't specifically see the RWC as a threat anymore, and would like to allow members that are seem to be friendly with chellis to be allowed through. The second is that Euroslavian ships will now no longer be let through our waters. We have had suspicions that they have been allowing Dumpsterdamian cargo and men through the strait on their ships, in violation of the intent of our denial of passage for Dumpsterdamian shipping. We deny this has anything to do with the UWP, and no other UWP members have been denied shipping rights at this time. We will give Euroslavian ships a one week grace period to change shipping lanes and whatnot, though we will not permit over-land shipping to them, as was the custom for RWC nations. If there are any questions, please forward them from your respective nations embassy in the capital, or by ambassador if no embassy exists."

Chellian Prime Minister, Kaeya Misho.

RWC ignores your claim on Gibralter. RWC Ignores you, and your godmoding over claiming the island in the first place.

I.G.N.O.R.E.D

RWC ignores your claim on Gibralter. RWC Ignores you, and your godmoding over claiming the island in the first place.

I.G.N.O.R.E.D

OOC: Place OOC tags on OOC messages. The RWC is an alliance, not a person. Each individual can choose to ignore me, or not. Feel free not to post in my threads if you ignore me, or telegram me if you badly need to tell me you ignore me.

[OOC: Eh, I may be going against 'RWC orders' but I personally don't wish to ignore Chellis as I haven't witnessed any 'godmodding'. My apologies to RWC alliance members, however, I don't see it as a correct path to take.]

RWC ignores your claim on Gibralter. RWC Ignores you, and your godmoding over claiming the island in the first place.

I.G.N.O.R.E.D

OOC: You may disagree with his right to make this claim, but it is hardly godmoding.

OOC: Weren't we supposed to have had some meeting about this that resolved the conflict over access to the Med?

The Eredron Ministry of Foreign Affairs wishes to make a formal request for the Chellis Government to fully document their claims of sovereignty over the Gibraltar Straits, as well as all relevant documents relating to the alleged Euroslavian-Dumpsterdamian link.

OOC: Weren't we supposed to have had some meeting about this that resolved the conflict over access to the Med?

OoC: No that kinda went into the fireplace when Chellis demaned about 20 absurd things like destruction of our nuclear arsenal. What would we get in return? Nothing exactly since Chellis still retained the right to close the channel to anyone at any given time.

Solution? Working on that.

(Gibraltar's an island, now? Hm, carry on then.)

OOC: Normally, I don't mind claims like this but sorry Chellis you and the Gib Claim are a different matter. After last time when we clearly demonstrated our point about the waters and what you needed to have to actually close them without breaking international treaties and violating waters, with you refuting it in illogical and silly ways, I refuse to acknowledge this.

Dump is quite correct Chellis demanded 20 things of which about 10 would have left the RWC crippled in it's responses since Chellis could have at any time broken or twisted them to his advantage. He even refused to guarentee his end of the bargin... despite my own and several other ranking RWC members attempts to talk to him OOC about it.

I would really suggust you give Gib. to someone else, since very few of the people you are 'blocking' actually acknowledge this. I would have had you not acted the way you did first time round.

Please note this not meant as a flame merely a statement of opinion on the matter, none of this is meant to insult or offend.

That you cant read this because you ignore me Chellis is not my problem. You are the only one here to ignore me and you do it because you cant prove me wrong when i say you godmod.

I have provided the evidence on mutliple ocassions (And i'll do it again if you wish). Just so you understand; I never make accusations without evidence.

You are a godmodder and a liar, It has been discussed by the members and everyone (There may be a single exception but who cares?) agreed to ingore you.

It will stay that way until you drasticaly change your attitude.

That is all

OOC: Give me some IC proof that you know of this. Somehow, I don't believe you when you say this has nothing to do with being denied from the UWP...

[OOC:

1. Chellis do you ignore me? I'm under the impression that you don't, but I want to make sure.

2. Euroslavia I have you on my MSN..I think...to make sure check if you have a puto_poeta@hotmail.com ... and I want to talk to you either today if you're home when I get home, or this weekend when I can get on at any time. Thanks.

RWC ignores your claim on Gibralter. RWC Ignores you, and your godmoding over claiming the island in the first place.

I.G.N.O.R.E.DI concur.

OoC: No that kinda went into the fireplace when Chellis demaned about 20 absurd things like destruction of our nuclear arsenal. What would we get in return? Nothing exactly since Chellis still retained the right to close the channel to anyone at any given time.

Solution? Working on that.

Since an overwhelming majority of nations don't even recognize his control ocer Gibraltor I think it would not be out of line for the RWC to ignore his claim and the absurd demands that came with it.

OOC: You may disagree with his right to make this claim, but it is hardly godmoding.It it godmodding when you know a 3.8 bill (at that time) is the UK - thus owning Gribraltar. Chell took it and didn't gave anyone a chance to respond; it was his and if you question it then you are a godmodder.

The general RWC policy is to ignore chell as a whole, everything that is owned and produced by him. If invididual nations don't want to, that's their business. This is not meant as a flame but a statement of fact.

Since an overwhelming majority of nations don't even recognize his control ocer Gibraltor I think it would not be out of line for the RWC to ignore his claim and the absurd demands that came with it.

OoC: Unfortunatly we can't do that, since he'll start whining about it and that we can't do it.

The only people that actualy seem to recognize Chellis's claims are either his friends and allies or a few loners(+ mac).

The only thing I can ignore is his "findings" about me and Euroslavia's agreement, and I will unless he shows me hard proof.

It it godmodding when you know a 3.8 bill (at that time) is the UK - thus owning Gribraltar. Chell took it and didn't gave anyone a chance to respond; it was his and if you question it then you are a godmodder.

The general RWC policy is to ignore chell as a whole, everything that is owned and produced by him. If invididual nations don't want to, that's their business. This is not meant as a flame but a statement of fact.

Well, if the RWC says so, it must be The Way to Go.

My contact with Chellis has been limited to a few RPs involving our respective African territories, but I've never seen him do anything to warrant claims of "godmoding" or 'I I.G.N.O.R.E. YOU LOL LOOK AT MY POINTLESS PERIODS' statements.

Now, I never saw the original RP in which he took over Gibraltar, only the first thread when he closed it down, so perhaps there is reason to question the validity of his claims - although if there is, I haven't seen anyone really make an articulate argument against it.

As such, Eredron will ICly respect his sovereign claims, until I see OOC/IC reasons not to.

OOC: Weren't we supposed to have had some meeting about this that resolved the conflict over access to the Med?

OOC: First off, Im replying to these individually, so each can be addressed in seperate ways. Just FYI all.

There are two possibilities you are talking about. One is a thread I wasn't actually invited to/involved in, the other is the negotiations I started with the RWC. I gave high demands because I was pressured not to re-open the straits by allies, and now I am willing to start letting members through again, provided they don't seem like an imminent threat to chellis.

The Eredron Ministry of Foreign Affairs wishes to make a formal request for the Chellis Government to fully document their claims of sovereignty over the Gibraltar Straits, as well as all relevant documents relating to the alleged Euroslavian-Dumpsterdamian link.

OOC: I would have to do alot of digging to get the old claims to the gibraltar region, this has been gone through before in other threads though and the argument was made in those threads.

IC: Chellis is willing to send what documentation we have on the Gibraltar, which isnt much, but details the invasion of the land, taking it from the deposed Verbotten Lufftwaffe government, and maintaining a mostly-self governing land with some chellian control.

We have very little documentation about the Euroslavian-Dumpsterdamian link, but what we have seems to be truthful. Our information is mostly from informants that must remain covert, and so little documentation. We thought nothing of the sort for a long time, but intelligence shows us that dumpsterdam has been getting supplied through the gibraltar strait, as the inflow from satelite coverage was more than the shipping through the Suez. We sent out feelers, and what we got was information from informants that the shipping was possibly coming from Euroslavia. Satellites went over data, and Euroslavian ships that were seen going through the straits were seen eventually headed to dumpsterdam. These all together lead us to believe there is a definite link, and would require evidence to be brought fourth putting down the link before the canal was opened for Euroslavia.

OOC: I saw the thread you made about doing this, Euro, but I didnt bring it up for a while. If you made a thread about stopping this deception, which I didnt see, then I will retract this.

OOC: Normally, I don't mind claims like this but sorry Chellis you and the Gib Claim are a different matter. After last time when we clearly demonstrated our point about the waters and what you needed to have to actually close them without breaking international treaties and violating waters, with you refuting it in illogical and silly ways, I refuse to acknowledge this.

Dump is quite correct Chellis demanded 20 things of which about 10 would have left the RWC crippled in it's responses since Chellis could have at any time broken or twisted them to his advantage. He even refused to guarentee his end of the bargin... despite my own and several other ranking RWC members attempts to talk to him OOC about it.

I would really suggust you give Gib. to someone else, since very few of the people you are 'blocking' actually acknowledge this. I would have had you not acted the way you did first time round.

Please note this not meant as a flame merely a statement of opinion on the matter, none of this is meant to insult or offend.

OOC: I own the bottom-most region of spain, morocco, and gibraltar, giving me control of the waters between spain and morocco(as least for a certain length). I showed that in the previous thread. If you don't acknowledge my claim, so be it. You can ignore me or accept it, but I view it as valid and I will not get rid of the claim.

That you cant read this because you ignore me Chellis is not my problem. You are the only one here to ignore me and you do it because you cant prove me wrong when i say you godmod.

I have provided the evidence on mutliple ocassions (And i'll do it again if you wish). Just so you understand; I never make accusations without evidence.

You are a godmodder and a liar, It has been discussed by the members and everyone (There may be a single exception but who cares?) agreed to ingore you.

It will stay that way until you drasticaly change your attitude.

That is all

I dont even know who you are

OOC: Give me some IC proof that you know of this. Somehow, I don't believe you when you say this has nothing to do with being denied from the UWP...

OOC: I gave basically IC proof up there, though I didn't post it in an actual thread. I realize I have taken a few liberties, but nothing serious. You cant honestly believe it could go on for months, or years, without me getting suspicious? Though, if you were to have retracted this policy in an IC thread, then I will retract this thread.

And as for the UWP thing, well, I'll leave that to conjecture.

OOC: I own the bottom-most region of spain, morocco, and gibraltar, giving me control of the waters between spain and morocco(as least for a certain length). I showed that in the previous thread. If you don't acknowledge my claim, so be it. You can ignore me or accept it, but I view it as valid and I will not get rid of the claim.

[OOC: There's one thing I have to say. When I owned Spain (before I re-started my history) Chellis claimed to own the Gibraltar. At that time nobody contested his claim, which is why I do not ignore Chellis.]

[OOC:

1. Chellis do you ignore me? I'm under the impression that you don't, but I want to make sure.

2. Euroslavia I have you on my MSN..I think...to make sure check if you have a puto_poeta@hotmail.com ... and I want to talk to you either today if you're home when I get home, or this weekend when I can get on at any time. Thanks.

OOC: Not that I can remember, I sometimes ignore people then forget. As far as I can remember, I just dont like you IC, but I dont ignore you. Appeal for passage, I'll probably give it to you if you do.

It it godmodding when you know a 3.8 bill (at that time) is the UK - thus owning Gribraltar. Chell took it and didn't gave anyone a chance to respond; it was his and if you question it then you are a godmodder.

The general RWC policy is to ignore chell as a whole, everything that is owned and produced by him. If invididual nations don't want to, that's their business. This is not meant as a flame but a statement of fact.

Post in one more of my threads and I will have to report you to a moderator. Stay out of my threads.

I took cadiz and gibraltar in a thread where I took many former Verbotten Lufftwaffe territories, anyone could have responded then. People could have contested it in Crucible, but didn't.

Just because you are part of the RWC, that doesnt justify posting here. I ignore you, you ignore me, and the RWC bit obviously is toward people I dont ignore. Now go away.

Private Communique, Chellis Government

Finding it imperative that the flow of commercial goods within the Mediterranean region remain consistent and uninterrupted, I have been directed at this time by the Consul to ask, as an official envoy of the Republic, for immediate negotiations over rights of passage through the Gibraltar Straits, both for the Republic, and for all peaceful members of the international community. The establishment of any impediment to trade and commerce, both in the Mediterranean Sea, and throughout the world, can act only to divide the international community. It is my hope, and the hope of my government, that Chellis will in it's wisdom adopt a more open policy with regards to the Gibraltar Straits.

We have had suspicions that they have been allowing Dumpsterdamian cargo and men through the strait on their ships, in violation of the intent of our denial of passage for Dumpsterdamian shipping.

You call this IC proof? How did you get any suspicions in the first place? Out of all the nations that could have aided Dumpsterdam, how did you figure out it was us, seeing as we have slim to zero communications with Dumpsterdam.

[Euroslavia: It doesn't have to be real proof, nations IRL pull crap out of their asses all the time, it's called international relations. Or, in the words of Domingo Chavez, one nation f*cking another.

Eredron: Just because the Gibralter is important IRL doesn't make it vital to trade in NS. People are far too attached to RL nations in RL and don't realize that in a world the size of NS the Gibralter is a minor waterway.

To everbody else: If you IGNORE Chellis, then get the hell out and do us all a favor by placing him on your IGNORE list. I'm sure there are a lot of us who are sick 'n tired of watching RWC nations jump down the throats of anybody remotely connected to NATO, past or present. It's getting to the point of becomming harassment and if I wasn't sure Chellis didn't have better things to do I'd advise him to sue all of your asses into the ground.

If you don't IGNORE Chellis, then thank you for being reasonable and have a pleasant day.]

Eredron: Just because the Gibralter is important IRL doesn't make it vital to trade in NS. People are far too attached to RL nations in RL and don't realize that in a world the size of NS the Gibralter is a minor waterway.

I'm trying to add to Chellis' RP. Unless you think he'd prefer this to consist of a bunch of off-topic rantings and 1 IC "Who cares" post.

You call this IC proof? How did you get any suspicions in the first place? Out of all the nations that could have aided Dumpsterdam, how did you figure out it was us, seeing as we have slim to zero communications with Dumpsterdam.

OOC: You werent the first suspect, we sent out feelers in many many nations. Our satelites watched the med and the strait, and we started tracking ships coming to and fro dumpsterdam. Its not a well proved thing IC, of course, but we have sufficient reason to believe.

Private Communique, Chellis Government

Finding it imperative that the flow of commercial goods within the Mediterranean region remain consistent and uninterrupted, I have been directed at this time by the Consul to ask, as an official envoy of the Republic, for immediate negotiations over rights of passage through the Gibraltar Straits, both for the Republic, and for all peaceful members of the international community. The establishment of any impediment to trade and commerce, both in the Mediterranean Sea, and throughout the world, can act only to divide the international community. It is my hope, and the hope of my government, that Chellis will in it's wisdom adopt a more open policy with regards to the Gibraltar Straits.

Chellis is willing to attend negotiations over this, though we are waiting to see if this slows/stops dumpsterdamian supply through the strait. If any other ships are heading through the strait, either from or too dumpsterdam, we shall try to establish any other possible links.

[Euroslavia: It doesn't have to be real proof, nations IRL pull crap out of their asses all the time, it's called international relations. Or, in the words of Domingo Chavez, one nation f*cking another.

Eredron: Just because the Gibralter is important IRL doesn't make it vital to trade in NS. People are far too attached to RL nations in RL and don't realize that in a world the size of NS the Gibralter is a minor waterway.

To everbody else: If you IGNORE Chellis, then get the hell out and do us all a favor by placing him on your IGNORE list. I'm sure there are a lot of us who are sick 'n tired of watching RWC nations jump down the throats of anybody remotely connected to NATO, past or present. It's getting to the point of becomming harassment and if I wasn't sure Chellis didn't have better things to do I'd advise him to sue all of your asses into the ground.

If you don't IGNORE Chellis, then thank you for being reasonable and have a pleasant day.]

OoC: Where also kinda sick of people pulling stupid crap on us SS, you should have known by now.

Lets see, closing of the Gibraltar, Suez(failed btw, I buggerd out IDF with hard proof) closing of the Gulf of Mexico, closing of the Panama and closing of several other major NS shipping lanes. How was that not fair? Because half of the people doing these things hadn't even heard of us and where either:

1) Convinced by Dr_Twist

2) Jumping on the bandwagon, hello Whittier, CL, Xeraph and CSJ.

Basicly, I'm sick and tired of being the target for everyone else's warmongering and or wanking needs. But every time a member of ours gets agressive you blaim it on the RWC as a whole, while this same thing doesn't seem to apply to the NWO or NATO.

So please, if you have no quarrel with the RWC, don't attempt to start a fight with us, where not interested.

[Doesn't realy apply to SS or Chellis but meh, needed to get that out.]

That and Chellis; get me hard proof or I'll just ignore it. Half of my merchant fleet belongs to Euroslavia so I don't realy think you could have found out.

OoC: Where also kinda sick of people pulling stupid crap on us SS, you should have known by now.

Lets see, closing of the Gibraltar, Suez(failed btw, I buggerd out IDF with hard proof) closing of the Gulf of Mexico, closing of the Panama and closing of several other major NS shipping lanes. How was that not fair? Because half of the people doing these things hadn't even heard of us and where either:

1) Convinced by Dr_Twist

2) Jumping on the bandwagon, hello Whittier, CL, Xeraph and CSJ.

Basicly, I'm sick and tired of being the target for everyone else's warmongering and or wanking needs. But every time a member of ours gets agressive you blaim it on the RWC as a whole, while this same thing doesn't seem to apply to the NWO or NATO.

So please, if you have no quarrel with the RWC, don't attempt to start a fight with us, where not interested.

[Doesn't realy apply to SS or Chellis but meh, needed to get that out.]

That and Chellis; get me hard proof or I'll just ignore it. Half of my merchant fleet belongs to Euroslavia so I don't realy think you could have found out.

OOC: We watched who was supplying you, and found that euroslavia was conducting major shipping with you, which seemed unparallel to actual trade. This is not concrete proof, but we are suspicious and at bad relations with euroslavia, which we felt was enough to close the strait to them. This quite possibly may be settled in negotiations, you could try RPing instead of just bitching me out OOC. Not everything is playing to win.

At the current time, the straits of gibraltar are open to euroslavian shipping for an indefinate amount of time. There is a moratorium on the current law for gibraltar halting Euroslavian shipping.

OOC: We watched who was supplying you, and found that euroslavia was conducting major shipping with you, which seemed unparallel to actual trade. This is not concrete proof, but we are suspicious and at bad relations with euroslavia, which we felt was enough to close the strait to them. This quite possibly may be settled in negotiations, you could try RPing instead of just bitching me out OOC. Not everything is playing to win.

OoC: Please lets not get into the "play to win" thing m'kay that will turn nasty.

Oh and, my merchants run goods across the world but we'd use our Euroslavian registerd vessles to do the Gibraltar route while the rest of our fleet continues our their normal routes. Don't see anything strange with that realy.

OOC: We tracked numerous ships coming from you, and found some that eventually went through the straits. We cross checked with time-dates and found that those ships were euroslavian registered. We then started looking at euroslavian ships, and it seemed to be occuring frequently.

OOC: We tracked numerous ships coming from you, and found some that eventually went through the straits. We cross checked with time-dates and found that those ships were euroslavian registered. We then started looking at euroslavian ships, and it seemed to be occuring frequently.

OoC: Well hey sure, if you say so.

I'll just have to switch registries over to Praetonia then...well after I bribe his sorry arse that is.

OOC: Go ahead, but sooner or later I will probably find out that stuff, as i'm curious about it now.

OoC: I'll keep switching, should work untill I get a final solution for the Gibraltar.