NationStates Jolt Archive

I am going to re-post, because I'm 97% sure I'm going to have a snow day tommorow

Dimmimar is horrified by this weapon. If Kahta even dares uses this weapon against Dimmimar then we will not hesitate to strike back.

Baron Manfred von Konan
Minister for Foreign Affairs

From: Lord Barbarossa
To: Czar Sam Fabus
Sounds like a prion to me. Dangerous. And also extremely xenocidal. If that ting is used to kill off people with genetic diseases, it is verging on genocide. and the sister virus is worse, killing anyone not within your nation. But, killing off non-whites, that is xenocide! I cannot condone this sort of activity. miitary action will be taken should this weapon ever be used, at all

The Presidents Office, Republic of Skinny87

The Republic of Skinny87 is horrified by the development of this weapon and sees the development of all genetic weapons as unneccessary and evil. The Republic will not hesitiate to attack Kahta if this new weapon is used on the Republic or its allies.

President Martin, The Grey Office

Esatonias government is horrified by the develpment of such weapons. Who can have such ideas? :confused: That must be a very sick mind... We don't mind other nations bussiness as long as they are relatively ethical. :mad:
Sincerely
Erina Kupolov
Minister of foreign affairs, The Free Land of Esatonia

OOC: And yet another postmodern technology developed by Kahta. The technology to create such a virus simply doesn't exist. You would need to develop a different virus for every mutation you wished to eliminate, and wiould need a wholey new desease to base it on because there is no virus that kills in 5 minutes. Not to mention that because of the short period of infection, it wouldn't spread very far at all. AND, does it attack people who have a single recessive copy of a 'bad' gene? If so, you could find prominant members of your government struck down... and five minute isn't long enough to get the 'cure'... not to mention that vaccines are preventative, rarely stop an infection when you have it, and do nothing to repare the damage that has been already done.

OOC: And yet another postmodern technology developed by Kahta. The technology to create such a virus simply doesn't exist. You would need to develop a different virus for every mutation you wished to eliminate, and wiould need a wholey new desease to base it on because there is no virus that kills in 5 minutes. Not to mention that because of the short period of infection, it wouldn't spread very far at all. AND, does it attack people who have a single recessive copy of a 'bad' gene? If so, you could find prominant members of your government struck down... and five minute isn't long enough to get the 'cure'... not to mention that vaccines are preventative, rarely stop an infection when you have it, and do nothing to repare the damage that has been already done.

OOC: Post modern? Its possible, its a lot more possible than using LIDAR, which right now is a surveying tool. What was the last postmodern thing I made? And don't say it like that. I haven't released anything in months.

http://www.peace.ca/racetargetablebioweapons.htm
http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/signs_ethnic_supplement.htm (tons of links there)

Just modify the way that anti-bodies (white blood cells)attack, turn it into a virus, and program the virus to only attack certain types of blood veins. This is possible now. I'll modify the attack times though, because 5 minutes would be too fast, even though it is by all means, possible.

This virus is by all means, intended to ensure that no one will invade Kahta. If Kahta is invaded, and we are going to lose, this is what we will release. Its an insurance policy.

OOC: And yet another postmodern technology developed by Kahta. The technology to create such a virus simply doesn't exist. You would need to develop a different virus for every mutation you wished to eliminate, and wiould need a wholey new desease to base it on because there is no virus that kills in 5 minutes. Not to mention that because of the short period of infection, it wouldn't spread very far at all. AND, does it attack people who have a single recessive copy of a 'bad' gene? If so, you could find prominant members of your government struck down... and five minute isn't long enough to get the 'cure'... not to mention that vaccines are preventative, rarely stop an infection when you have it, and do nothing to repare the damage that has been already done.
OOC: Absolutely spot on. Thankyou.

EDIT: "Just modify the way that anti-bodies (white blood cells)attack, turn it into a virus, and program the virus to only attack certain types of blood veins. This is possible now. I'll modify the attack times though, because 5 minutes would be too fast, even though it is by all means, possible."

-Kahta

That wouldn't destroy enough tissue to prevent blood reaching the brain in 2 minutes (ie, you need an extra three for the lack of sugar to kill the person). Each virus might kill one cell in that time, but not someone's entire network of veins and arteries, or even enough to do any noticeable damage. I should also point out that, like Chardonay said, if it kills someone in 5 minutes it would have no chance to pass on to anyone else, and it would die. Again, I should point out that virii can onyl exist in very specific conditions, and they are generally passed on by varying levels of contact between two people. In 5 minutes there just isnt enough time.

In short, I IGNORE this.

SECRET IC
Undisclosed Location
Highfather
The Burnsian Desert

"I saw this coming."

"Yes, sir, I know, we have to strike the Kahtans. If this gets into the hands of the Mississippians..."

"Believe me, it has. I wouldn't be surprised if the Mississippians developed this themselves. All Fabus had to do was give it to his lapdog, Khata, and keep the heat off of him... ready the troops. I want five Helljumper teams at the ready."

"Affirmative, sir."

"Oh Sam, Sam... I would never even have to invade Kahta, i'll just firebomb you to a crisp, then subsequently spray my own bioweapons what's left of your populace."-The Great Leader Li

I laugh at you, Mr. Fabus. Real conquerors and agents of destiny need no "Gene Specific" weapons. Besides, we have plenty of whites working for our movement, you cannot kill us all.

Karl von Esling

OOC: Totally IC, that was. I have heard of such experiments, in RL.

OOC: *Sigh* This has such a lot wrong with it. Sounds comically familiar.

The human genome is insanely complex. The odds of identifying a single "bad" gene (which by the way would as likely as not be present anyway, unless you're going to have a race of whites without any melanin at all, in which case say "hello!" to mass skin cancer) are minute, and the odds of constructing a virion which can do so pretty much nil. Virions mainly identify cell types by protein structrres, after all (hence their ability to infect only a specific species) and NOT by "analysis" of the genes within a host organism. Why? Because analysing the genes of a host organism is quite ridiculously complex - it took the human race 20 years with masses of brain and computer power to help it along. Now although you can argue that the genes of the host organism will alter the proteins of the cell membrane, the fact is that the vast majority of human beings, even those who aren't white or who have congenital diseases ( :rolleyes: ), have the exact same cell membrane structure. Your "gene-specific" virion will most probably infect the entire human race if ever released - assuming it even works at all.

Secondly, if you think you can turn a CELL into a bloody virus, you're a fair bit more ignorant than I thought. A VIRUS and a PHAGOCYTE or LYMPHOCYTE are different things. White blood cells are CELLS! They are living organic units with their own mitochondria, nuclei and so forth. A VIRUS is nothing more than a coil of DNA surrounded by a coat of proteins. The two are wholly different. Hell, a bacterium can be infected by a virus.

Thirdly, neither of those links actually contain anything more than liberal-left paranoia codified and spread in a lovely paste on my monitor.

Fourth, PLEASE learn some biology! Antibodies are universal no matter what your bloody race! The antibody is simply a glycoprotein which exists within the human bloodstream and is secreted by the B lymphoctyes of the human body when an appropriate pathogen is recognised. The race of the human in question is irrelevant; if a black and a white man both have blood type A Positive, THEY HAVE THE SAME GODDAMNED ANTIBODIES. If they didn't blood transfusions would get a lot more tricky.

For God's sake, if you're going to make up a bioweapon, at least know something about the bloody subject.

OOC: *Sigh* This has such a lot wrong with it. Sounds comically familiar.

The human genome is insanely complex. The odds of identifying a single "bad" gene (which by the way would as likely as not be present anyway, unless you're going to have a race of whites without any melanin at all, in which case say "hello!" to mass skin cancer) are minute, and the odds of constructing a virion which can do so pretty much nil. Virions mainly identify cell types by protein structrres, after all (hence their ability to infect only a specific species) and NOT by "analysis" of the genes within a host organism. Why? Because analysing the genes of a host organism is quite ridiculously complex - it took the human race 20 years with masses of brain and computer power to help it along. Now although you can argue that the genes of the host organism will alter the proteins of the cell membrane, the fact is that the vast majority of human beings, even those who aren't white or who have congenital diseases ( :rolleyes: ), have the exact same cell membrane structure. Your "gene-specific" virion will most probably infect the entire human race if ever released - assuming it even works at all.

Secondly, if you think you can turn a CELL into a bloody virus, you're a fair bit more ignorant than I thought. A VIRUS and a PHAGOCYTE or LYMPHOCYTE are different things. White blood cells are CELLS! They are living organic units with their own mitochondria, nuclei and so forth. A VIRUS is nothing more than a coil of DNA surrounded by a coat of proteins. The two are wholly different. Hell, a bacterium can be infected by a virus.

Thirdly, neither of those links actually contain anything more than liberal-left paranoia codified and spread in a lovely paste on my monitor.

Fourth, PLEASE learn some biology! Antibodies are universal no matter what your bloody race! The antibody is simply a glycoprotein which exists within the human bloodstream and is secreted by the B lymphoctyes of the human body when an appropriate pathogen is recognised. The race of the human in question is irrelevant; if a black and a white man both have blood type A Positive, THEY HAVE THE SAME GODDAMNED ANTIBODIES. If they didn't blood transfusions would get a lot more tricky.

For God's sake, if you're going to make up a bioweapon, at least know something about the bloody subject.

OOC:
*nods*

If viruses don't live, how do they know what to do, and move... and stuff?

OOC

ok, this is what we call bad science. viral organisms find thier way to thier host cells by finding a cell with an outer protien coat that matches what they need to latch on. All humans have the same cellular structure, so all humans would be affected.

also, the virus that attacks non-khatans implies that khatans are a different ethnic group, requiring that since they have a different genetic structure from whites , they are not white, so wouldn't fall into your "master race"

OOC: Post modern? Its possible, its a lot more possible than using LIDAR, which right now is a surveying tool. What was the last postmodern thing I made? And don't say it like that. I haven't released anything in months.

http://www.peace.ca/racetargetablebioweapons.htm
http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/signs_ethnic_supplement.htm (tons of links there)

Just modify the way that anti-bodies (white blood cells)attack, turn it into a virus, and program the virus to only attack certain types of blood veins. This is possible now. I'll modify the attack times though, because 5 minutes would be too fast, even though it is by all means, possible.

This virus is by all means, intended to ensure that no one will invade Kahta. If Kahta is invaded, and we are going to lose, this is what we will release. Its an insurance policy.

Perhaps you haven't developed them. My mistake. But you do use mach 4 fighters and all kinds of lovely stuff that isn't possible today.

LIDAR, because it is a surveying tool, is proven to WORK. Genetic engineering is an extremely difficult and finicky process. Though scientists have mapped the human genome, they still have no clue what hardly any of the genes do. Also, the functions of multiple genes are linked together, which means that it may actually take a combination of genetic errors to cause a damaging condition. Further, everyone has 'bad genes'. Radiation breaks DNA strands, which reform with small errors... most of them are in irrelevant areas, but some can do signifigant damage (trigger cancerous growths). But as long as the damage is localized, it's not a problem. Not to mention that most of the genes in an organism are garbage that never turn on. 'Bad Gene' is simply too general.

As an insurance policy, it would be more effective to simply hide thermonuclear devices in your cities.

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