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Today, Federal Researchers announced that they have disproved the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principal.

In an experiment originally intended to test a new form of entanglement communication, two scientists noticed a readout on a nearby information panel. An intern conducting experiments earlier in the day had left a test program running.

The program had found 100% of the spin of one entangled particle, not concerned with the location at all. It then found 100% of the location of the second entangled particle of the pair. The scientists, knowing that by the very definition of entanglement, both particles had the same spin. They therefore knew both the exact spin and the exact location of the second particle at any one time.

Science Buereau officials have issued statements that no military applications have been discovered as of yet, but that research is only in the beginning stages.

Meanwhile, Federal Fleets continue to valiantly fight the Neo-Mekantans, emerging victorious from battle after battle.

And in other news, a Federal Battlefleet continues to attempt to resolve the situation involving the lawless Kanuckistani in the Buffer Zone...

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Hmmm... this is most interesting...

OoC: You do know that checking the location of a particle changes its other properties, meaning you don't know them, which is the base of the Uncertainy Principle, right?

Not that I'm saying you can't have this, my spookies are impossible too, but just making sure you know.

Eh, point particles are such finnicky things, aren't they?

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Still workin' on a way to overcome them ROQ shields...

Rest assured, ESUS, you are not safe for long...

OOC: Why are you bumping this for? It's wrong. Nobody "fell for it" as you put it. Also, as a sidenote, seeing as how I releasing the Gouger and Gorger soon, you're basically trying to dam the Mississippi with a couple of pebbles.

Gouger and Gorger? What are these? And why are you so assured that they will be so overpowering? Such arrogance and overestimation has led more than one superior to its downfall.

And I'm still fishing, by the way.

Oh, and, no one's posted to debate whether or not my theory is correct or not. Who knows? Perfectly logical and, may I add, law-abiding to me. (Law referring to QP laws, N laws, etc...

NO POSTING BY INDRA ALLOWED.

Because, you're working to stop one major threat. You already have various others you SHOULD deal with, but don't. And now I'm adding two more. Also, you got a rebuttle by Industrial Experiment, you just ignored it. So go, reply. Try and explain away the physics that you warp to your own whim. The funny thing is that even if you avoid the most qualified person, you still cannot defend yourself.

I idly read up on Entanglement and the Uncertainty Principle, and have made a conclusion of my since, as you find Indra's unacceptable.

First of, let me lay this out as a timeline. First, you measure rotation/spin, no problem, quite easy. Then, you go to the other particle, and are forced to use extremely short wave-length light (referred to as y-rays by one page I found) to find anything anywhere near 100% (which I'm not even sure you could do, it seems that you'd need light of infinitely small wavelength, but meh). However, with long wavelength rays, the Compton Effect (the "collision" of photons and electrons, and the subsequent transfer of momentum) kicks in. This means that the first electron gains momentum as the photons in the light used to determine position hit it. While this doesn't change position in any way, it does change momentum. This change in momentum causes the other entangled particle's momentum to change, as per the definition of entanglement.

Who says we need light to detect a particle? For heaven's sake, if we can uncurl strings, we can detect the mass of a subatomic particle simply by the disturbance it has created on the STC. Using light is very primitive, it seems, but in today's world, it's all we have.

Ok, two ways that I can even THINK of to determine the position of a particle.

1. Use light so you can make measurements, which will result in what I said.
2. Move in straight lines from another point, which will take an incredibly long time, and result in an even larger collision, and cause not only a change in spin, but also in the position you are measuring.

Particles have mass. Even if it's || that far from infinitesimal. Any mass creates a disturbance on/in the STC. This can be detected.

Simply put, if you have a microuniverse 10^100^1000^10000 miles accross, and you place a single proton in the center, the disturbance can still be detected at the edge of the universe, albeit a very small disturbance at that range. VERY small.

Now, we have Particle A and Particle B.

If we know all properties of Particle A and nothing of location;

And we know none of the properties of Particle B but completely its location;

And according to entanglement, both particles have the same properties, as was mentioned;

We can apply A's properties to B, and then we know all the properties AND the location of B.

Physical contact is not required to detect presence. Think outside the box, for goodness sake.