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"and these people who have declared these ludicrous policies have a presence in Praeton itself!" The MP hammered home his point to the jeers and shouts of the other members of the House, "Seversky, a nation which has declared complete and utter contempt for Praetonian national sovereignty has a presence right here in the capital of our great Imperium. I declare that if they shall not respect our borders, we shall not respect theirs! I move that the Severskian embassy in Praeton is to be stormed!"

The other MPs cheered raucously in support of the Liberal-Imperialist back bencher who had just finished speaking. An opposition speaker stood up, the Social Democrat Shadow Minister for Defence, and began to speek:

"Although I agree my friends that we should take action to oppose their violations of our rights as a nation state," the House cheered him on, "I do not believe that another violation should be used to counter that," the cheering died down somewhat, although some of his own party still cheered as they did before, "we should inflame the situation by attacking another sovereign nation," by this point most of his support had fallen away, apart from his own rather small party. He decided it best to bring his speech to a close quickly, and sat down.

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The next day, Embassy Square was closed off to the public, and a line of Imperial Guardsmen, Imperial Horseguards, resplendant in their full dress uniform, and a small scout tank moved in. The infantrymen took up firing positions outside the embassy and the tank pointed its gun out at the embassy, hiding mostly behind a concrete wall of another embassy. Meanwhile, armed Imperial Police escorted all who wanted to leave away from other foreign embassies.

A man stepped forwards with a megaphone, "Severskian Embassy. You are ordered to surrender to the military of the Democratic Imperium of Praetonia immediately. You will not be harmed."

His Omniferocity's government is alarmed at the apparently rash actions of the Praetonian government.

The actions of Seversky thus far do not require such a dramatic response. To date, no incursions into Praetonian territory have taken place, they have only been threatened.

Until a state of actual hostilities is in place between your two nations, it would be prudent to refrain from violating the soveriegnity of Seversky's Embassy. Expuslion of the Ambassador and closure of the Embassy would be a more reasonable reaction.


Eternal Arch-Villain Psychopompos
Minister for Pre-Subjugation External Affairs

The Commonwealth does not now nor has ever maintained embassies in foreign nations.

The Commonwealth does not now nor has ever maintained embassies in foreign nations.

OOC: You maintain at least one (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=352723&highlight=Seversky)

OOC: You maintain at least one (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=352723&highlight=Seversky)
Upon reading this, Chancellor Upton was heard to utter "Damnit! there are no plotholes!"

Seversky had maintained them in the past, but never had under the new, post civil war government.

We echo the concerns of our colleagues in His Omniferocity's Government.

Should Praetonia carry out this hostile takeover of a sovereign nation's ambassadorial establishment, should they use military force against the Seversky Embassy, the Republic will be forced to consider taking measures of it's own, against Praetonia, including declaring all Praetonian diplomats within the Republic persona non grata.

Memo

The Burnsian Desert, however recognizing Seversky's actions, condemns this blatant disregard for a nation's sovereignty by Praetonian citizens and military personnel. We demand that both forces come to terms at once.

Official Statement of the Imperial Government of Praetonia

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"We, like ay other sovereign nation, reserve the right to expel any ambassadorial staff inside our nation at any time and for any reason. We would also accept the removal of Severskian ambassadorial staff by a Severskian aeroplane, but if that is not accepted by the Severskian government we will have no choice but to continue with our takeover in order to remove personel from a hostile power from Praetonian territory. If a takeover goes ahead, the staff will be held in comfortable conditions until they can be deported to Seversky.

We should also state that we care very little for the opinion of "The Burnsian Desert" a nation with known links to the Fabus regimes of VoteEarly and Kahta, and we should also point out to Eredron that there are currently no Praetonian diplomatic staff inside your hitherto unknown nation."

OOC: Please note that I have not opened fire upon the embassy, and all these people who are OMGz condemning me probably dont even know about it.

OOC: Please note that I have not opened fire upon the embassy, and all these people who are OMGz condemning me probably dont even know about it.

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You are apparently completely unaware of the existence of cell-phones, fax machines, and satellite communications systems. Assuming these devices are not completely banned, any of a wide variety of people would almost certainly have transmitted the information to news networks and foreign intelligence services- mine among 'em. However, even if such devices are non-existent in your nation, the clearing of normal traffic from an area in a nation's capitol and the presence of a tank (however small) would be the sort of thing noticed by surveillance satellites.


TEO

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You are apparently completely unaware of the existence of cell-phones, fax machines, and satellite communications systems. Assuming these devices are not completely banned, any of a wide variety of people would almost certainly have transmitted the information to news networks and foreign intelligence services- mine among 'em. However, even if such devices are non-existent in your nation, the clearing of normal traffic from an area in a nation's capitol and the presence of a tank (however small) would be the sort of thing noticed by surveillance satellites.
Currently the RP is set just as my tanks and troops have moved in. No one has done anything. Also, you appear to be saying that you have satellites permanently looking down into my Embassy Square and indeed every single part of every capital city in the world which can auto-detect any type of tank always. Sounds a little farfetched to me.

[center]Official Statement of the Imperial Government of Praetonia
We should also state that we care very little for the opinion of "The Burnsian Desert" a nation with known links to the Fabus regimes of VoteEarly and Kahta, and we should also point out to Eredron that there are currently no Praetonian diplomatic staff inside your hitherto unknown nation."


RE

We are shocked, no, appauled at this blatant ignorance of Burnsian policy. We inform you that The Burnsian Desert has been publicly and privately anti-Fabus and anti-Mississippi for quite some time, especially after the Hogsweatian liberation of our nation from William and Sylvia Fabus.

and we should also point out to Eredron that there are currently no Praetonian diplomatic staff inside your hitherto unknown nation."

OOC: I took liberty in that respect. Also, although people generally respect RPs that are secret, or classified, do you really want or expect people to just let your RP sit, while they "wait" for their satellites to come over your nation?

Also, you appear to be saying that you have satellites permanently looking down into my Embassy Square and indeed every single part of every capital city in the world which can auto-detect any type of tank always. Sounds a little farfetched to me.

Not at all- even if it were possible. There are some facts behind my posts, however.

The Dominion has hundreds of surveillance satellites in orbit. In the absence of actual major interest in any given country (which would result in coded orders being sent to the recon birds), general surveiilance of anything in the satellite's flight path would be in order. The data from the satellites is broadcast continuously to satellites in higher orbits, which relay the data to geosynchronous satellites even higher, which relay the data to another geosynchronous satellite near my country, which relay it down to the External Security Department, Reconnaissance Bureau. Data from untargeted nations would be compared with previous imagery from the same times and seaons in the past by computer to determine if there are significant discrepancies. The absence of normal civilian traffic in an area of a foreign nation's capital would be a fairly low-order discrepancy. The unmistakable presence of an armored vehicle in the same area would probably be only slightly more significant. The combination of the two data (slightly more significant) probably would not cause any alarms to activate ... assuming nothing else was happening.

You posted a link to this thread on a thread I (in my IC capacity as the ruler of the Dominion) was watching. As far as I know, you did not label the post as Secret IC or some other means of informing all and sundry that the information could not yet be acted upon.

Unless your parliament was meeting in secret session (not stated); and your news media is completely and utterly under the thumb of your security services (possible, but also unstated); and cell-phones, fax machines and other means of communication are not available to the average citizen (or random visitors, foreign sailors aboard ships in your ports, airline passengers on layover for connecting flighhts, etc); then somebody would have notified Great Aunt Matilda, their editor at the West Armpit Picayune, or their 'control' officer for EOE's External Security Department (just to name a few possibilities) to announce the news. In other words, the news would very likelyhave come to the attention of my ES personnel, who would send orders to the computers to keep a closer eye on your nation- especially the capitol. Recent imagery would have been consulted, and the discrepancies would have been noted, and conclusions would have been drawn. All of the above assumes that my nation was not already closely watching your nation for a completely different reason, of course.

Furthermore, since I was paying attention to Seversky, their reactions could have been observed by all of the same means I have already listed, and it could have still revealed the situation to anyone who decided to look.

Multiply this by the number of Modern Tech nations in NS, and practically everybody could have had a chance to know what was going on within a few hours or a day at most. I allowed a RL hour or so before posting, to allow for this delay.

It was therefore very likely that my nation (and others) could have known about the situation in your capitol and made IC comments about it.

And now, I will retire back into the shadows and merely watch. Sorry to waste so much time in your thread for OOC stuff.

TEO

Monetistan

"You know..."

"Hm?" Sakura looked at Manfred, who was her (Temporary, for as long as she was gone) superior.

"Sometimes, things amuse me... I mean... besieging an embassy? They could just, I dunno..."

"Tell them to move out?"

"Yes. But no... Apparently, some 'Leaders' seem to believe that playing Rambo is the better idea. Despite the impression being that they are untrustworthy retards who should be shunned, effectively ruining their nations reputation, in a political and, effectively speaking, also economic way, given that, well..."

"FOQNE's like us, as well as more... 'Normal' systems wouldn't exactly risk investing in an effectively lawless nation like..."

"Praetonia. Yes, exactly. I mean, sure... I can understand that they don't want contacts with the more, uh... Irrational regimes out there, but..."

Sakura chuckled. "But besieging an embassy, effectively declaring diplomatic immunity and basic courtesy to be irrelevant, proving that they aren't willing to follow even the most basic etiquette and so on isn't exactly a good idea, given that they could just tell them to remove their embassy, and then, say, force a boycott or something."

"Exactly." Manfred nodded. "Alas, they don't seem to get it. As such, well..."

"Meh. We are a part of the civilised world, they aren't. Where's the problem?"

"Point taken."

Novacom expresses it's support for the Soverigns State of Praetonia's actions.

OOC: *sigh* This thread is going down the drain. Pardon me for trying to make an idiotic thread about declaring stupid rights over other people's nations interesting.

Public Statement

Kriegorgrad is involved in few world issues but this one does not escape our notice, we pledge our full hearted support for our comrades in Praetonia, we would proffer you some more material support other than goodwill but there are minor instabilities in Kriegorgrad that will need to dealt with before more concrete help can arrive.

We will aid Praetonia another time but good luck with the fascist scum on your soil!

Comrade Leader Nikolai Fedorenkov

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ENCRYPTION...15970120570776....CLEARED....COMSEC REROUTED....SECURE LINK ESTABLISHED.

To: Whomever it may concern, Praetonia
From: COMSEC, Kriegorgrad
Subject: Fascist Scum

Fascist scum are on your soil. Give the word. COMSEC Kill Team will be dispatched.

OOC: *sigh* This thread is going down the drain. Pardon me for trying to make an idiotic thread about declaring stupid rights over other people's nations interesting.

Nope. My fault. I took umbrage when I shouldn't have.

This thing is still salvageable. I'll be happy to delete my intrusive posts if you'd like.

TEO

OOC: Having surrounded an embassy of another nation is a probable cause to start a war between both parties, or even end up being an International Conflict.

The Republic of Skinny87 fully supports the actions of the Praetonian Government and pledges its full support.

OOC: Having surrounded an embassy of another nation is a probable cause to start a war between both parties, or even end up being an International Conflict.
OOC: No, I dont think that they would start a full scale war over an embassy. Still, this is NS I suppose.

Anyway, dont reply to this anymore, I've requested lockage/