NationStates Jolt Archive

News from Mississippi, via the Five Points Radio Program.


"This is Jeremiah Cartwright, about to set off on a grand journey to Kahta to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, commonly called the Five Points of Calvinism. But before that, the Czar has a glorious announcement to make."


"This is Roger Fabus, Czar of the Mississippian Federation. I shall make this quick and to the point, we live in a world where the true followers of Christ, the Calvinists, are in constant danger and face grave peril. From this day hence, let it be known that Mississippi is the Defender of the Calvinist Faith and we do graciously accept this honor that God has predestinated unto us to claim at this time and in this place. Let it be known that we will not tolerate any attacks against the Calvinist Faith, from any nation or group of people. The Elect shall not suffer the tyranny of the Reprobate, not while we are around to stop it. That is all."

So, is this just another excuse for you to unilaterally invade countries that have an agenda not to your liking?

-Kaiserine Yuna Mannerheim

So, is this just another excuse for you to unilaterally invade countries that have an agenda not to your liking?

-Kaiserine Yuna Mannerheim


"Silence reprobate whore! We receive you not! This is a proclamation that we will defend our religious brethren! Fellow Elect need no longer worry about living under the yoke of Reprobate."

Jeremiah Cartwright

Well......we have no Calvinists in Virginia, Mr. Fabus, and the way you preach, I'm glad we have none. Any attempts to enforce this policy in Virginia or West Virginia will be met with unrelenting resistance from the Combine.

Abigail Kleinwald
Foreign Minister
Virginian Enlightened Combine

A question, Czar. How are you to know who are part of the Elect? Do you claim to know God's will?

Archbishop Maxwell Lewis,
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Malkyer

"Silence reprobate whore! We receive you not! This is a proclamation that we will defend our religious brethren! Fellow Elect need no longer worry about living under the yoke of Reprobate."

Jeremiah Cartwright

You do that. Just don't bother Sevaris or her friends, and you'll be fine.

-Yuna Mannerheim

A question, Czar. How are you to know who are part of the Elect? Do you claim to know God's will?

Archbishop Maxwell Lewis,
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Malkyer


"People who accept the Five Points are Elect, since only they can even hear the truth of God, the rest are blinded, Romans 11:7 and Matthew 13:13, just to name two."

Czar Roger Fabus

"When blind Faith rules your nation it will crash and burn, Open your eyes before the enebitbal happens"

President Tagart

"Since, according to your beliefs, we are all going to 'hell' anyway, does this mean that if we have no Calvinists you'll let us alone?"

-King Haakon IX

"People who accept the Five Points are Elect, since only they can even hear the truth of God, the rest are blinded, Romans 11:7 and Matthew 13:13, just to name two."

Czar Roger Fabus

But if God predestines people to Heaven or Hell, how can they gain entrance into the Elect? If He let those destined for Hell enter Heaven instead, would that not make God fallible, and thus unwind all Creation?

Archbishop Maxwell Lewis,
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Malkyer

Keep your preachers out of Hallad, and you'll be fine.

Premier Hasan Muhammad (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/Belovia/hasan.jpg)
The Worker's State of Hallad

OOC: Haha, its sorta ironic that Calvinism and the rest of the protestant movements originally wanted to rid the church of governmental politics and corruption, and now there is this. Heh heh, or maybe thats just me.

IC: While the Church of Nascent does not recognize papal authority, we do follow a state brand of catholicism, therefore we must say that we do not condone this type of militant action. It was those like you Czar Fabus, who created so much suffering and persecution for those Calvinists, Luterans, Anabaptists, and every other protestant religion before, during, and after the rennaisance.

May God have mercy on you and all those who share your radical beliefs.

I would like to announce that I personally support my nephews preaching and decision. It is truely and honor to call him my nephew and a member of the family. He is truely a prophet of God.

Sincerely,
Czar Charles Hayden

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We support our ally in his quest to educate the world of the evils of popery. We wish Mississippi luck on her quest. -- The Politburo

Uhm, ok.... I don't believe this junk. The one prophet is Zarathustra and the one God is Ahura Mazda, the Avesta says so quite plainly.

-Shah Khosru III

News from Mississippi, via the Five Points Radio Program.


"This is Jeremiah Cartwright, about to set off on a grand journey to Kahta to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, commonly called the Five Points of Calvinism. But before that, the Czar has a glorious announcement to make."


"This is Roger Fabus, Czar of the Mississippian Federation. I shall make this quick and to the point, we live in a world where the true followers of Christ, the Calvinists, are in constant danger and face grave peril. From this day hence, let it be known that Mississippi is the Defender of the Calvinist Faith and we do graciously accept this honor that God has predestinated unto us to claim at this time and in this place. Let it be known that we will not tolerate any attacks against the Calvinist Faith, from any nation or group of people. The Elect shall not suffer the tyranny of the Reprobate, not while we are around to stop it. That is all."

Hmmmm.......a few points.

1..It would seem to me that your beligerant attitude is eventually going to start a " Holy War"......two words that should have nothing to do with each other.

2...It's "predestined", not predestinated.

3.. The theological point of predestination does not mean that God has decided beforehand that some are to be saved, and some damned. It means that God has predestined that ALL men have the choice to accept Him and be saved. This was done through the sacrifice Jesus made on the Cross. " For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only Son, that NONE should perish."

Hmmmm.......a few points.

1..It would seem to me that your beligerant attitude is eventually going to start a " Holy War"......two words that should have nothing to do with each other.

2...It's "predestined", not predestinated.

3.. The theological point of predestination does not mean that God has decided beforehand that some are to be saved, and some damned. It means that God has predestined that ALL men have the choice to accept Him and be saved. This was done through the sacrifice Jesus made on the Cross. " For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only Son, that NONE should perish."



"Read your bible, you're bible dumb, you're bible ignorant, you need to open it up and read... Read the enclosed passage."

Czar Roger Fabus


Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

I would read mine but Im seeing how much dust it can colect.

"Read your bible, you're bible dumb, you're bible ignorant, you need to open it up and read... Read the enclosed passage."

Czar Roger Fabus


Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Ah...the Bible according to the Pharisee, those who strain at gnats and swallow camels whole.

"The nations of the world would be wise to follow our example, but most are reprobate swine and have no hope for seeing the truth, and thus have no hope for salvation."

Czar Roger Fabus

I am appalled at your hinting that all who do not believe as you are damned. I am seriously comptemplating imposing economic sanctions on your nation. All should have the right to worship as they wish.

Only a fool pretends to know what is not ment for men

N'ala R'hab
The Prophet of Alan
the True Way of Alan

I am appalled at your hinting that all who do not believe as you are damned. I am seriously comptemplating imposing economic sanctions on your nation. All should have the right to worship as they wish.

Only a fool pretends to know what is not ment for men

N'ala R'hab
The Prophet of Alan
the True Way of Alan


"When did our great Federation ever trade with your piss poor wasteland?"

Czar Roger Fabus


Ooc- Seriously though, what is with every nation always talking about stopping trade with a nation they've just met and thus it can be inferred that they have no relations let alone trade relations? Surely you could ban the possibility of trade, but really, what could you have given us that we don't handle for ourselves? We're basically a self-sufficient country.

"When did our great Federation ever trade with your piss poor wasteland?"

Czar Roger Fabus


Ooc- Seriously though, what is with every nation always talking about stopping trade with a nation they've just met and thus it can be inferred that they have no relations let alone trade relations? Surely you could ban the possibility of trade, but really, what could you have given us that we don't handle for ourselves? We're basically a self-sufficient country.

OOC: I understand. It was for the sake of the rp. I suppose I could try to send terrorists of something. But i would really like to get into a holy war rp.

IC: No ecomonic sanctions will be imposed. However, The True Way of Alan asks that Czar Roger Fabus remember the rights of all.

Dimmimar is neither amazed nor indifferent to this announcement. Our policy of letting all religious people worship who they will works.

But one final question, if a person who worked well all their life and was a great, decent person died not converting to Calvinism, would they be damned to an eternity in hell?

Baron Manfred von Konan
Minister for Foreign Affairs

Dimmimar is neither amazed nor indifferent to this announcement. Our policy of letting all religious people worship who they will works.

But one final question, if a person who worked well all their life and was a great, decent person died not converting to Calvinism, would they be damned to an eternity in hell?

Baron Manfred von Konan
Minister for Foreign Affairs



"Conversion is not a matter of free will, for man has none. Works matter none in our salvation, for by grace alone are we justified. And grace is the gift God bestowes only upon his Elect. If you are Elect, before you die, at some point in your life, you will be irresistibly drawn to accept the Five Points."

Czar Roger Fabus

Official Statement from The Rosian Christian Coalition:

Whatever happened to loving Jesus Christ? Now us humans must put rules and laws. But to be saved all you have to do is say that you accept Jesus into your life and believe in that. Obviously, these Calvinists are a perversion of Chrisitianity. Of course we're a private organization, the Catholic Church would condemn you too. But you'd probably say 'Popery is bad!' and it is. We're just getting the message out first. So let's say it again, Calvinism is bad because it complicates Jesus' special message. Accept him and you shall be saved, that's all!
Franz Junitard
Leader of The Rosian Christian Coalition

Official Statement from The Rosian Christian Coalition:

Whatever happened to loving Jesus Christ? Now us humans must put rules and laws. But to be saved all you have to do is say that you accept Jesus into your life and believe in that. Obviously, these Calvinists are a perversion of Chrisitianity. Of course we're a private organization, the Catholic Church would condemn you too. But you'd probably say 'Popery is bad!' and it is. We're just getting the message out first. So let's say it again, Calvinism is bad because it complicates Jesus' special message. Accept him and you shall be saved, that's all!
Franz Junitard
Leader of The Rosian Christian Coalition



"I'd suggest you get out your bible and read it, you're bible ignorant, you're bible dumb. Here, let me send a few passages to you."

Czar Roger Fabus


Enclosed:


Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect

Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.


2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Prime Minister Irawana was asked to comment on Jermiah Cartwright and the Missipian Federation. He answered
"When you hear about this, know that it is imperialism. The foreigners seek to get their foot in the door under the guise of religion to weaken our Motherland. There are many churches in Japan, what else could they be seeking to do. All citizens should be wary of this foreign propoganda."

Official Statement from The Rosian Christian Coalition:

The Elect in the passages are the Chrisitians. The term Christian didn't exist when it was written. Now enough of this pointless debating, take your insults elsewhere, I am off to China to lead a mission to Xinjiang. Alot of Muslims ripe for conversion.
Franz Junitard
Leader of The Rosian Christian Coalition