NationStates Jolt Archive

If you have been active on NS at all recently, you have noticed, like me, that a large number of n00bs feel that they need to make their first post some poorly thought out, insipid piece of trash about illegal mind-expanding drugs. These threads often have original names like:

Come Get Some Dope

Marijuana Legalized

Dope Legalized in [insert nation here]

Leon Czolgosz Legalizes Drug Trade

DRUGS, DRUGS, DRUGS!!!

I Love Drugs, and I bet You Do Too

I Think I'll Sell Drugs

I'm An Idiot With No Creativity

In all honesty, I made that last one up, but it would still work as a "Drug Thread" name. Even though I am a smart man, I don't understand the reason for this stupidity.

To all the pre-pubescent morons who think they're cool by talking about "dope," let me enlighten you:

YOU ARE NEITHER COOL NOR ORIGINAL

Honestly, if I see another smart-ass pig with no common sense start another pointless thread about drugs, I might have to overdose on heroin. Reading these posts literally feels like one has a swarm of fire ants attacking one's grey matter. I think I speak for everyone when I say that no one cares.

But seriously, folks, I am no enemy of recreational drugs, but I think there are better ways to announce one's stupidity than by starting a "Drug Thread." If you are a n00b and feel the need to do something stupid, piss off Generic Empire... I'm sure he'd be only too glad to remove you; the only question is whether he cares. Every character in these horrible, horrible threads is a waste of bandwidth.

There, my rant is over. Just kidding! Even if someone slightly more evil than I (like the aforementioned Generic Empire) doesn't want to destroy you, I can help in one of two ways. I can take time out of my busy schedule to annihilate you, or take time out of my busy schedule to explain to you why you should cease and desist. Do not post any sort of "Drug Thread."

Legalizing drugs is in no way creative. Countries in real life all over the world are debating, and taking action on, this issue every day. I personally think the issue of legalized cocaine, for instance, pales in comparison to killing terrorists and anti-American swine. Regardless of your stance on the issue, I'm sure most, if not all people have the cognitive function to write about something original. Find something insightful to write about, or don't write at all. Have genocide for all I care. Start a war. Do something besides write one of these awful, vacuous threads.

Now to the final part of this message. I am making a desperate plea to every decent human being on NationStates. Please do not post one of these threads. I am sure I speak for most, if not all nations when I say these "Drug Threads" are a blight on this forum, a polyp on the anus of RPing. Please do not ever write one, and if you do by accident, smash your computer with your head to eliminate the temptation of posting it. Do the right thing. Please, if you have a spark of goodness within you, and by the love of God, Yahweh, Allah, Buddha, Brahman, or the cosmic force, or any other deity, never, ever post a "Drug Thread."

Thank you for reading. I sincerely hope this helps.

If you don't like a thread, or in this case a type of thread, don't read or respond them. :)

If you don't like a thread, or in this case a type of thread, don't read or respond them. :)

Indeed, if you do not like what you're reading, just exit that thread and that'll be the end of your suffering for the time being.

~ Romandeos.

I think you misunderstand. It would be much easier on everyone if these threads, which you must admit are dirt, simply ceased to exist.

It would also be much easier if GODMODDERS and wankers ceased to excist, unfortunatly there is no rule against it so live with it or leave it.

End of story.

In P3X1299, recreational drugs are legal. That is all.

I'm not an enemy of people doing cliche things, as long as it's more than a one sentence thread. Seriously. Someone had to do something for to make the drugs legal right? :rolleyes:

It would also be much easier if GODMODDERS and wankers ceased to excist, unfortunatly there is no rule against it so live with it or leave it.

End of story.

Way to spell "exist" wrong, even when I had it written right above your post.

In P3X1299, recreational drugs are legal. That is all.

I'm not an enemy of people doing cliche things, as long as it's more than a one sentence thread. Seriously. Someone had to do something for to make the drugs legal right? :rolleyes:

That's just my point. If people would be more creative, cliches (especially useless cliches like drug threads) would be gone, and this forum would be better off.

Way to spell "exist" wrong, even when I had it written right above your post.
Ah, if only all of us had the courage to be so condecending and irritating when we make threads moaning about the behaviour of others.

OOC: Way to spell "exist" wrong, even when I had it written right above your post.

For your information, not all of us speak English as a first language and I suggest you stop trying to offend me by telling me off on my grammar.

Resorting to personal attacks if somebody doesn't agree with you is kind of childish so I suggest you stop.

Way to spell "exist" wrong, even when I had it written right above your post.

There are other forums where you can correct people's spelling and grammar all day. And of course there are also other forums where you can flip out at everyone for typing errors. Why dont you go to one of those, just google it.
Spelling errors and typing errors are not the same thing. If you would take time to notice that the "x" and "c" are next to eachother on the keyboard perhaps you would be able to calm down.

in seprioth drug dealers and drugs are killed

Listen, some of you may think I'm a hopeless idealist. I assure you that I am not. I just hold the opinion that while godmodders and other assorted dirtbags are unlikely to cease to exist, these unoriginal threads could be reduced. I'm not saying that a sterling RPer can't make a thread about recreational drugs in some way, I just think that some thought should go into it. I legitimately think that together we can eliminate such trash.

Freudotopia, meet Sephrioth, our resident.. spelling expert.


You two are perfect for eachother!
I think you should be twinned.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=374577

in seprioth drug dealers and drugs are killed

Good for you Sephrioth, but I fail to see your point. This is not a thread to discuss the drug policies of various nations, but to try to convince people to eliminate the cliche threads that tend to suck royally. This forum needs new, intelligent threads, not empty crap.

So because you don't like threads that are(in your eyes a cliche)about drugs you want them removed/banned?

What say if I didn't like blockade threads? Should the moderators lock each and every one because I say so?

That and the moderators won't police roleplaying, they've said it before and will only act if you overstep the line with very graphic posts of rape and torture.

Freudotopia, meet Sephrioth, our resident.. spelling expert.


You two are perfect for eachother!
I think you should twinned.

Ah, so you have noticed my habit of ripping on those who either can't spell or can't type, and the few that are just plain stupid. I've never talked to Sephrioth, but if he/she is not an idiot, I think we'll get along well, just like I get along with anyone who isn't an idiot.

i also hate drug threads this one nation offend me enough fir me to bust out my nukes

Freudotopia i have dyslexia

So because you don't like threads that are(in your eyes a cliche)about drugs you want them removed/banned?

What say if I didn't like blockade threads? Should the moderators lock each and every one because I say so?

That and the moderators won't police roleplaying, they've said it before and will only act if you overstep the line with very graphic posts of rape and torture.

I think you're missing my point and are being argumentative on purpose. Blockades accomplish something, and I stated in the first post that conflict is perfectly acceptable, because conflict tends to generate originality when all parties involved use their brains.

One more thing; when did I ever say I wanted these threads banned? I didn't. When did I ever say I wanted the mods to step in? I didn't. What I did say was that I would ask every member nation to avoid cliches and actually think about their threads, like I try to do with every one of my threads. If everyone made a personal resolution to stop writing empty threads, the mods wouldn't have to intervene and I think the forum would be more fun.

Ah, so you have noticed my habit of ripping on those who either can't spell or can't type, and the few that are just plain stupid. I've never talked to Sephrioth, but if he/she is not an idiot, I think we'll get along well, just like I get along with anyone who isn't an idiot.
Who are you, a one month old nation with 60 posts, to tell the rest of us how to RP? If you want drugs threads banned then post this is moderation, where it will be locked.

Freudotopia i have dyslexia

I don't care.

I think you' missing my point and are being argumentative on purpose. Blockades accomplish something, and I stated in the first post that conflict is perfectly acceptable, because conflict tends to generate originality when all parties involved use their brains.

One more thing; when did I ever say I wanted these threads banned? I didn't. When did I ever say I wanted the mods to step in? I didn't. What I did say was that I would ask every member nation to avoid cliches and actually think about their threads, like I try to do with every one of my threads. If everyone made a personal resolution to stop writing empty threads, the mods wouldn't have to intervene and I think the forum would be more fun.

Unfortunatly, this is free form roleplay, so unless you want to convince those 1 million nation owners you have nothing to stand on.

Unfortunatly, this is free form roleplay, so unless you want to convince those 1 million nation owners you have nothing to stand on.

That is exactly what I want to do, Dumpsterdam. Catchy handle by the way. Spread the word to read this thread, and then maybe people will take action.

Who are you, a one month old nation with 60 posts, to tell the rest of us how to RP? If you want drugs threads banned then post this is moderation, where it will be locked.

In case you hadn't noticed, I am only 3 months younger than you, and I have posted infrequently in the past because:

1. I have things that occupy my attention in real life
2. I tend to think my posts out and come up with something original, or not post at all.

Read my reply to Dumpsterdam. I'll tell you just like I told him: I don't want the mods to intervene. I want people to take action of their own free will.

i also hate drug threads this one nation offend me enough fir me to bust out my nukes

Good. This guy has his head on straight.

In case you hadn't noticed, I am only 3 months younger than you,
Indeed y'are, I was looking at someone else. It doesnt change the fact that you have less than 100 posts, and so you are not a long standing NS player nor can you know that much about NS. I dont think there are even many drugs threads about. Maybe two or three every couple of months? I really dont have a clue what you're going on about, or what makes you think you're in a position to go on about it.

I have a good idea. Instead of finding ways to criticise my idea and argue with me about how it couldn't work, everyone could:

1. Spread the word so people will read this thread and stop to think.
2. Find ways to argue how it could work and actually support this idea.

Everyone can agree that cliches and vacuous threads are detrimental to the forum at large, and that originality makes for a much more fun RP. So why does everyone seem opposed to this concept? I wouldn't have posted this thread if I didn't think the idea had merit.

So would it also be wrong to make a so and so leagelizes suicide thread then

I have a good idea. Instead of finding ways to criticise my idea and argue with me about how it couldn't work, everyone could:

1. Spread the word so people will read this thread and stop to think.
2. Find ways to argue how it could work and actually support this idea.

Everyone can agree that cliches and vacuous threads are detrimental to the forum at large, and that originality makes for a much more fun RP. So why does everyone seem opposed to this concept? I wouldn't have posted this thread if I didn't think the idea had merit.
BEcause you're trying to impose your own views of what constitutes good RP upon everyone else, and you aren't setting forth any ways by which you would do this. What exactly is your "idea"? That unoriginal threads arent very good? Well yes, we know that... and?

Indeed y'are, I was looking at someone else. It doesnt change the fact that you have less than 100 posts, and so you are not a long standing NS player nor can you know that much about NS. I dont think there are even many drugs threads about. Maybe two or three every couple of months? I really dont have a clue what you're going on about, or what makes you think you're in a position to go on about it.

Fine with me. I don't care whether you agree with me, I would just ask one favor: please enlighten others as to my theory, so they can decide for themselves. Thank you.

Oh, and I think I just explained to you why I have so few posts. I think there is a difference between a lazy moron who doesn't care enough to post and someone who chooses not to.

So would it also be wrong to make a so and so leagelizes suicide thread then

I don't understand you. Please make more sense.

Hey you know what I see alot of in this forum, embassy threads, wars, and storefronts!!! The II community should put a stop to that too!!! Come on people get orginal no more storefront, war, or embassy threads!!!!!!! Whee!!



:rolleyes:

Fine with me. I don't care whether you agree with me, I would just ask one favor: please enlighten others as to my theory, so they can decide for themselves. Thank you.
Errr... no. Im not going to spend my valuable time advertising a thread that's moaning about other threads that arent even made that often.

Oh, and I think I just explained to you why I have so few posts. I think there is a difference between a lazy moron who doesn't care enough to post and someone who chooses not to.
I didn't accuse you of being lazy, I pointed out that as you have not posted much at all, there is no way you can possibily know or understand NS like many of the other RPers (who have several thousand posts) who have criticised your "idea". As you are complaining about threads which, to be honest, aren't very common, I think I am right.

BEcause you're trying to impose your own views of what constitutes good RP upon everyone else, and you aren't setting forth any ways by which you would do this. What exactly is your "idea"? That unoriginal threads arent very good? Well yes, we know that... and?

My point is that I don't think people think through a lot of their posts, and if they stopped to think, "Hey, maybe a more original idea would work better."
I'm trying to convince people to make a personal choice about their threads, because I think everyone can be a good RPer if they think.

And I'm not trying to impose my own views of what constitutes good RP upon everyone else, I'm trying to encourage people to make their own decisions to enrich their threads with some honest-to-God creativity.

Hey you know what I see alot of here, embassise, wars, and storefronts!!! The II community shouild put a stop to that too!!! Come on people get orginal not more storefronts, wars, or embassy threads!!!!!!! Whee!!



:rolleyes:

Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, or you still don't see my point. Some things, like storefronts and embassies, might not be as exciting as a good war, but they're still necessary, and most storefronts are well thought out because it takes time to arrange prices, etc. And the comment about putting a stop to war was just stupid.

My point is that I don't think people think through a lot of their posts, and if they stopped to think, "Hey, maybe a more original idea would work better."
I'm trying to convince people to make a personal choice about their threads, because I think everyone can be a good RPer if they think.

Where, pray tell, is this massive sourge of bad RPers? And what makes you think you're so much better than them with your mighty 60 posts of NS RPing experience?

Errr... no. Im not going to spend my valuable time advertising a thread that's moaning about other threads that arent even made that often.


I didn't accuse you of being lazy, I pointed out that as you have not posted much at all, there is no way you can possibily know or understand NS like many of the other RPers (who have several thousand posts) who have criticised your "idea". As you are complaining about threads which, to be honest, aren't very common, I think I am right.

You just don't get it, do you? I am using drug threads as a means to illustrate my point about creativity. Unoriginality is more pervasive than drug threads.

Also, I might understand NS better than you think simply because even when I don't post, I always observe, and by watching the successes and failures of others, one can gain quite a lot of insight, so don't harp on my "lack of experience." How many posts I have is not the issue.

Where, pray tell, is this massive sourge of bad RPers? And what makes you think you're so much better than them with your mighty 60 posts of NS RPing experience?

What, pray tell, is a "sourge?"

You just don't get it, do you? I am using drug threads as a means to illustrate my point about creativity. Unoriginality is more pervasive than drug threads.

Also, I might understand NS better than you think simply because even when I don't post, I always observe, and by watching the successes and failures of others, one can gain quite a lot of insight, so don't harp on my "lack of experience." How many posts I have is not the issue.
You can look on all you want, but if you have no 1st hand RP experience (and with 60 posts you dont, at least not to any remotely meaningful degree) you really cant know as much about it as other who actually post. Meh, I'm going to leave your thread now. Moan all you want.

You can look on all you want, but if you have no 1st hand RP experience (and with 60 posts you dont, at least not to any remotely meaningful degree) you really cant know as much about it as other who actually post. Meh, I'm going to leave your thread now. Moan all you want.

I don't care. I'm not forcing you to argue with me. Just think about what I've said. Oh, and I'm not so sure you're as high and mighty as you claim to be, even if you do have more experience. Godspeed.

Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, or you still don't see my point. Some things, like storefronts and embassies, might not be as exciting as a good war, but they're still necessary, and most storefronts are well thought out because it takes time to arrange prices, etc. And the comment about putting a stop to war was just stupid.
The :rolleyes: denotes sarcasm.......

I run one of the larger storefronts, participate in a number of the embassy threads and wars.
I was attempting to show you how you come off to some of us with this thread.

The :rolleyes: denotes sarcasm.......

I run one of the larger storefronts, participate in a number of the embassy threads and wars.
I was attempting to show you how you come off to some of us with this thread.

Thanks for your concern. The sarcasm was still unnecessary. It didn't help. But I see your point.

Oh , the hypocrisy! Our world cries out for justice. Just kidding. Bump.

I agree with Prae and the others that you can't limit other people's RP, unless it breaks the Mods' rules (which drug RPs don't). I also haven't seen many of these drug RPs that you mention- one or two, yes, but not the relentless hordes that you speak of.

But I digress. If you want the forum changed, lead by example. Do something new, original, exciting. Something that no-one else has done before. Show everyone what fun originality can be, and maybe, just maybe, someone will listen. Stop bitching and start a revolution, leading from the front.

[I'm replying after reading the first post, so please excuse me if someone has already posted this]

Please understand that not all drug threads are by n00bs. In reality drugs are a powerful controlling force, and if a nation makes drugs that do just that and sells them globally, many people and perhaps a few nations may become dependant if the dealer nation is the only source of that one hyper-addictive drug.

Imagine how addictive drugs could be if mainstream U.S. government got into the drug dealing business, not counting the C.I.A.'s little escapades with cocane. There'd be professional drug labs with modern equipment all for the sake of getting people hooked and dependant on them. It's a great idea for a nation with few morals, really.

Way to spell "exist" wrong, even when I had it written right above your post.

I'm sensing an angry personality here.

No, I will not simply admit that all threads about drugs are dirt, because I have seen some in my earlier NS days that were actually pretty darn good.

[I'm replying after reading the first post, so please excuse me if someone has already posted this]

Please understand that not all drug threads are by n00bs. In reality drugs are a powerful controlling force, and if a nation makes drugs that do just that and sells them globally, many people and perhaps a few nations may become dependant if the dealer nation is the only source of that one hyper-addictive drug.

Imagine how addictive drugs could be if mainstream U.S. government got into the drug dealing business, not counting the C.I.A.'s little escapades with cocane. There'd be professional drug labs with modern equipment all for the sake of getting people hooked and dependant on them. It's a great idea for a nation with few morals, really.

Regardless of how much of an issue drugs are to individual nations, you have a good point, and I agree. Why? Because you actually thought out a good reason to write about drugs. Your argument is thoughtful, lucid, and well-conceived. But I must also point out that my main peeve is unoriginal threads in general. You have just proved that not all drug threads are unoriginal, and not all unoriginal threads relate to drugs. This aside, unoriginal threads are still the main issue I am trying to address.

I'm sensing an angry personality here.

No, I will not simply admit that all threads about drugs are dirt, because I have seen some in my earlier NS days that were actually pretty darn good.

Good job on discovering the lurking,simmering anger that I hide from everyone. Dolt! I broadcast my anger to all. You don't need to analyze me.

Good job on discovering the lurking,simmering anger that I hide from everyone. Dolt! I broadcast my anger to all. You don't need to analyze me.

Don't insult me, pal. I was just speaking my mind, just like you're doing, and it is not necessary to insult a man for that.

It would also be much easier if GODMODDERS and wankers ceased to excist, unfortunatly there is no rule against it so live with it or leave it.

End of story.
*nods while invading Dumpsterdam with 39,999,999,999 troops with rocket launchers*

I agree with Prae and the others that you can't limit other people's RP, unless it breaks the Mods' rules (which drug RPs don't). I also haven't seen many of these drug RPs that you mention- one or two, yes, but not the relentless hordes that you speak of.

But I digress. If you want the forum changed, lead by example. Do something new, original, exciting. Something that no-one else has done before. Show everyone what fun originality can be, and maybe, just maybe, someone will listen. Stop bitching and start a revolution, leading from the front.

I always lead by example. If you had read one of my more recent and involved threads, you would know that I replaced my government with a sentient A.I. known as the M.C.H.A.M.M.E.R. system, which has since disappeared, infiltrating computer networks around the world. How's that for original? It's more original than half the junk that some people post.

Oh, and I don't bitch, I incite.

Don't insult me, pal. I was just speaking my mind, just like you're doing, and it is not necessary to insult a man for that.

I'm not insulting you for speaking your mind, I'm just insulting you. Never mind. Spread the word.

I'm not insulting you for speaking your mind, I'm just insulting you.

Ha! I'm using that for everything from now on.

Ha! I'm using that for everything from now on.

Oh no you don't, you rapscallion. I hereby copywrite the phrase "I'm not insulting you for speaking your mind. I'm just insulting you." It cannot be used without my explicit written consent.

No hard feelings, Inkana

Oh no you don't, you rapscallion. I hereby copywrite the phrase "I'm not insulting you for speaking your mind. I'm just insulting you." It cannot be used without my explicit written consent.

No hard feelings, Inkana
This is where cheap knock offs come into play.

I hereby copyright the phrase: I'm not insulting what you're saying, I'm insulting you.

A small, yet significant change.

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/Dumpsterdam/418_57398_31796.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/mobrule132001/SlashFingers.bmp.jpg

Whammy.

This is where cheap knock offs come into play.

I hereby copyright the phrase: I'm not insulting what you're saying, I'm insulting you.

A small, yet significant change.

Damn you, Inkana! Seriously though, respect the awesomeness that is mine and try not to cop my phrases.

Damn you, Inkana! Seriously though, respect the awesomeness that is mine and try not to cop my phrases.

Unfortunately for you, I don't ask to quote things :)

Unfortunately for you, I don't ask to quote things :)

Fine, but always remember where you got the awesomeness which is my phrase. Godspeed.

Fine, but always remember where you got the awesomeness which is my phrase. Godspeed.

Meh, now to add to the thread:

Let them add their drug threads. I think drug threads are original. Now war threads, meh. My current war thread involves factions, yes I got that from Merceneries.

Anyway, just chillax. It's just a game. :)

TIOR, don't say 'chillax.'

Now, on to matters. You guys all seem to be ripping into this guy just because he has a problem with unoriginality, meanwhile completely overlooking his point. Don't argue just for the sake of arguing if you can help it. Frankly, I hate rant threads, and I think anyone who makes one should die, but that's just my opinion.

And that's the point. It's my opinion. just like this thread is Freudotopia's opinion. He sees something annoying on the forums and he tries to change it. Good for him. You say that if you don't like something on the forums, just ignore it. Take your own advice. If you disagree with what he's saying, you can just ignore it.

"Chillax" sounds like something you take to help with your bowels...
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Sorry for not posting for the last couple of days, there was an illness in my family...anyhow, she's getting better, so I'm back.

Anyone who still wants to argue or just theorize is still welcome. Otherwise, I think I'll close the thread in about a day.

Godspeed.