NationStates Jolt Archive

Description: The MassPwnage Government got sick of trying to steal the Hoplite MBT of Praetonia, so we've actually decided to force our tank designers to do what they are paid to do. Thus here's a tank.

http://67.18.37.14/135/37/upload/p308.jpg (Cartoonish depiction of it)

T-122 "Jiang Shi" Heavy Tank

Crew: 3, or one with AI assist.
Weight: 92 tons
Length: 11m
Width: 4.5 m
Height: 3.4 m
Armament: 1, 155mm high velocity ETC cannon or 60mm Pwnage Tank Railgun available upon request (need the cold fusion engine).
2 8x60mm Tank CIWS systems
1 8x60mm Coaxial MG
1 8x60mm Minigun mounted driver's side.
16 Fire and Forget Missiles.
4 Grenade launchers, reloadable from the inside.
1 Rear facing 8x60mm machinegun.

Maximum Road Speed: 48mph

Maximum Cross Country Speed: 30mph

Maximum range: 650 miles

Powerplant: 4100 hp Turbocharged Diesel Electric Turbine or 22,000 hp "Big Boi" Cold Fusion Engine.

Protection:Buckyball Matrix Chobam covered by a layer of NxRA with Nano-Fiber anti-spall liner. Anti-Radar coating in the armor and paint. Minimum visible heat signature. Multi-layer air filtration/conditioning system. Radar, LADAR, magnetic and electric signal jamming available.

RHA Values:
Turret and Front Glacis: 3500mm
Sides: 2100mm
Rear: 1000mm

Sensors: Radar, Infrared, Magnetic, LADAR, Electric.

Cost: 15 million for the turbine, 25 million for the Cold Fusion version.

I don't know a lot about tanks but I think the weight should be much higher, and I think the speed you gave it is way to fast for a tank that size. Just my thought.

ooc: eh, it's fine, the engine bay (and engine) is huge anyway. And it's not that much larger than most MBTs, so the weight isn't that much heavier.

bUmP!

ooc: its about 20t heavier than most tanks. And how you achieve 4,100hp with a turbocharged engine for a tank, AND ITS DESIEL mystifies me.

Now when you say buckeyball matrix, Im assuming you mean the diamond armour? If so, this tank would cost roughly between 500 Million and 1 Billion.

ooc: Diesel, Electric assisted, twice the size of the engine of say a Leopard (the turret is actually rear slung), and I stole the armor design from the Macabees (sp?).

bumP!

Ooc: more tips please, i'm thinking of changing to CHOBAM.

ooc: bumP!

ooc: Yes, and macabees stole that tech from me.
Anyways, twice the size of other tank engines is going to increase speed, and weight, meaning bigger tracks, meaning more required power anyways, meaning the same speed as any other tank.

ooc: hmm....i generate more hP per ton than other tanks as well.
81 ton tank=50 hp per ton
Abrams=24 hp per ton.

Alright, but how big are the batteries for this electric assistance? I still maintain that a diesel tank engine cannot achieve 4200 HP

OOC: this design is all wrong, the weigth would be higher to have an engine that powerful (YOU CAN'T!) and at such speeds i reckon its liable to destroy itself. The weight is alright (just) for a heavy tank with a 145mm ETC gun yes, but not a tank with all those other weapons, as well as the armour.

Bassically cut back on the weapons, get the armour to something more modern, e.g depleted uranium/ceramics mixture, and give it RHA equivalents, thats what most people do.

And the one crew member thing is just not possible right now, you need someone to drive the tank, to command it and to operate the main gun, i think the minimun ammount of crew members would be two with one driver and one gunner/commander, with a gun auto-loader and a LOT of expensive electronics (waste of money if that tank gets taken out!)

This is what i would do:

Type: Heavy Tank
Crew: 3 or 2(chosse one or the other)

Length: 11m
Width: 4.5 m
Height: 3.4 m

Armament: 1 140mm ETC gun(145mm is to large, unnecessary)
2 7.62mm machine guns (your choice on size, 12.7mm is good, thats the same as some US weapons(.50 caliber)).
2 TOW Misile Launchers.

engine power: ??? 2000BHP should do it...perhaps a couple more hundred BHP to get the speed said below.

Max Speed(on road): 40MPH or so.
" " (Country): 25MPH

I guessed the power and speeds, but 2000BHP isn't Godmode but is considerably more powerful than an M1 Abrams engine

ooc: Yes, and macabees stole that tech from me.
Anyways, twice the size of other tank engines is going to increase speed, and weight, meaning bigger tracks, meaning more required power anyways, meaning the same speed as any other tank.

They better not do that to me when i announce my new armour tech!

You could i suppose put in two, lightweight engines, keeping weight down but putting power to weight ratio up(i think power to weight is actually HP to lb), although the tank would have to be quite large...tank design can be quite complicated, lol.

ooc: hmm... try to take this into account. Engine displacement is simply larger, and there are 2 electric motors in assist, allowing the tank to make more hp/tq. And there aren't that too many weapons on it.

I'm thinking about what do to about the tank.

there! I cut the speed down a bit.

ooc: Yes, and macabees stole that tech from me.
Anyways, twice the size of other tank engines is going to increase speed, and weight, meaning bigger tracks, meaning more required power anyways, meaning the same speed as any other tank.
OOC: And you stole it from Agnosticum.

OOC: And the ADBOND addition to the C60 buckyball matrix (a NiAl bondage) was my idea because a C60 buckyball doesn't bond with a diamond matrix, so you need an artificial bondage.

The Grand Ideocracy would be interested in placing an order for one hundred such tanks. Money will be wired upon confirmation.

Confirmed. BUY MORE!

Bump!

ooc: No, Agnotsticum and I made it. Then I made it with Armacor. Then you stole it from Armacor, along with our "coil". You are China.

ooc: No, Agnotsticum and I made it. Then I made it with Armacor. Then you stole it from Armacor, along with our "coil". You are China.
OOC: Gorrilla! :-P

ooc: Mac, I am not a georgian or ukrainian!

Ok, stop spamming me with ooc. Buy tanks or get out.

Artitsa, IM me with your concerns

Bump!

Could the Concordiat buy a version modified with a 12.8cm cannon coaxial with a high-veloctiy 7.5cm cannon and thicker armor? Our required top speed is only 25 miles per hour on roads, and 15-20 cross-country.

OOC:The cannon arrangement is similar to the German Maus tank...google it.

Confirmed. Our factories will modify the tanks at no extra cost to you.

Confirmed. Our factories will modify the tanks at no extra cost to you.

Thank you, the money will be wired to your coffers within an hour of delivery. Our order is: 2,000 tanks, expending 1/3 of our defense funding.

OOC: That's a helluva lotta money; they better be good! hehe

No worries there.
Delivery in 1 RL hour.

That armor is hugely think, and I mean hugily thick, or just really good in some way. Well, I guess its slow speed makes up for it.

It's really good. Remember to read what goes into the armor.

Quite nice. I might have to add some new stuff to my next tank...

It's decent at best. We'll buy one for target practice.
*money wired*

ooc: Tanuio, this is pushing the envelope of godmoding as it is, what the HELL do you use for your tanks?

Similar in dimensions to our Vanguard MBT but with far more tonnage and secondary weapons, we wish you luck in campaigns with that tank. However, we feel the cost to replace a lost unit is too high despite your claims. Because as we all should know the advancement of weapons designed for this armor is soon comming if not already in existance.

-Mikosolf Corporation

ooc: Tanuio, this is pushing the envelope of godmoding as it is, what the HELL do you use for your tanks?

I agree. Even I, a resurrected December 2002 nation, think the T-122 is almost a god-mode as is, and if you have something better, its probably powered by magic, or the souls of the damned, or something very god-modderish.

or the souls of the damned

Darn, well there goes my power plant. :p

Well, maybe not the souls of the damned, but perhaps a 'field of magical jelly beans'.

I agree. Even I, a resurrected December 2002 nation, think the T-122 is almost a god-mode as is, and if you have something better, its probably powered by magic, or the souls of the damned, or something very god-modderish.
OOC: Actually the armor is very feasable..my tank has heavier settings...it's just helluva expensive ... I plan to drop the armor since most people have ways to destroy any armor value nowadays and just produce tank killers.

OOC: Actually the armor is very feasable..my tank has heavier settings...it's just helluva expensive ... I plan to drop the armor since most people have ways to destroy any armor value nowadays and just produce tank killers.

Its not the armor that bothers me so-much, just the rail-gun and cold fusion stuff, which I barely mind. As for me, about armor. My tanks are equipped with enough armor to withstand other tanks. Bring in the spectrum of aircraft, and all tanks are powerless against aircraft, almost. I find that using a anti-laser-guidance system serves well enough to protect against most Air-to-Ground anti-tank weapons. Even then, big bombs and all non-laser guided weapons still work to kill tanks.

EDIT: Also, modular(meaning quickly replaceable, practically interchangeable) armor helps to quickly advance to new weapons technology.

[OOC: Well, many nations, such as myself, have anti-tank rounds firing out of ETC guns that can kill most, if not all, tanks out there in the MT world. However, true, heavier armor does raise your survival rate. In any case, yes, the cold fusion is a bit ahead of MT times - more like 2030 or even up to 2050 - and the rail gun on a tank is around 2080 technology. A rail gun powerplant, in terms of a conventional rail gun, would be far too large to put on a tank this size.]

[OOC: Well, many nations, such as myself, have anti-tank rounds firing out of ETC guns that can kill most, if not all, tanks out there in the MT world. However, true, heavier armor does raise your survival rate. In any case, yes, the cold fusion is a bit ahead of MT times - more like 2030 or even up to 2050 - and the rail gun on a tank is around 2080 technology. A rail gun powerplant, in terms of a conventional rail gun, would be far too large to put on a tank this size.]

OOC: Even I use ETC guns, so its practically modern tech to me. Besides that, I am trying to create a tank to stop ETC stuff successfully, or to be able to strike first...

ooc: The railgun is an option for Post Modern Nations (and for myself)