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The F-22 was a very good aircraft, stealthy, good electronics, but it had its weaknesses and when put up against the fighters flown by the Havenite airforce, or the Macabean and Tyrandean birds it was a generation or two behind. To add to that the Kahtans had just made a bad mistake.

They had first fired on the missiles acting as fighters taking out most of them but now they turned and fired on the sub launched missiles. They basically had their backs turned when the fighters jumped on them. The E-33 Watchman flying behind the fighters distributed the Kahtan fighters equally passing out targets to the waiting fighters. From a range of 120miles the F-121's let loose a wave of 150 Divinebolt long range missiles. The missiles were guided by both the E-33 and the fighters radar and Lidar systems and when they got closer their own radar/Lidar systems wouldhelp guide them in giving them a good kill ratio. Each F-22 had 3 missiles coming at them fast. To add to this 2 Divinebolt missiles were launched at the Kahtan AWAC's bird directing their F-22's. Those two shots were long(Im assuming the AWAC's is like 20mls behind your fighters?) but still within the Divinebolt range. It was unlikly the AWAC's bird would be shot down but it would have to shutdown and start pulling manuevers thereby taking away the Kahtans ability to "see" in this battle for a bit.

The Rain fighter bombers took this opertunity to hit Jamaica. They flew wide avoiding the air battle completly. It would take a while but they were to come in from the other side of Jamiaca and hit Jamaica from the north.(Air battle south of Jamaica.) The Kahtans, hopefully so busy with the fighters down south and with their AWAC's bird under attack, probaly wouldn't notice them till it was to late. 40km out a salvo of Kraven missiles was fired at Jamaica, each missiles would home in on any SAM or radar on Jamaica civilian or military. This was to knock out any remaining defenses before the Rain hit.



The men on board the mercheant waited and watched as the SH-60 came in. A message had been sent to the Leviathen below telling of what was happening but know all they could do was wait. It looked like the Leviathen might not have gotten the message but then missiles began bursting out of the waves, ten in all. They were Artemis SAM's sent from the Leviathen below. They targeted the Kahtan planes flying around the mercheants each plane getting two missiles to its name. The Kahtan helo was a different story, that was the job of the mercheant ship to take care of. Two shoulder fired missiles fired from the deck shot out heading to the the incoming SH-60. From the fleet a sqaudron of fighters was inbound to clear out any remaining Kahtans.


OOC: Continuation of this thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8236802#post8236802

OOC: SafeHaven2 any way you can get on AIM? [tag]

OOC: Again, I'll state this: It is not possible for an F-22 to be a generation or two behind, unless you are post-modern. Please clarify, and I'll reply.

[OOC: The F-22 was completed with 2003-2004 technology, and the United States did not make a fighter jet with the capabilities a fighter jet built my a nation with an open GDP could built... meaning, my MMA-A2 Hawks, and the much newer MMA-A3 Falcons, produced by a nation with a population ten fold that of the United States and an economy manifold more powerful, is a generation or two above that of a real world jet - meaning the F-22 and the Su-37s. All the technology on my Hawks and Falcons though are 2005 (perhaps some aspects are 2007ish, but only minor details which you can ignore for this war), but with my GDP I was able to put the full load out of technology on them, unlike the F-22, which although powerful, was made to be affordable in large quantities also.

OOC: Same way VE's Good Ole Boys or whatever their called are. His fighters are more advanced than a F-22, no F-22 is gonna reach those kinds of speeds. No Im not Post modern Im MT but being MT doesn't mean I have to use weapons rl militaries use hence people on these boards have made their own designs and Ive bought a few of them. Some stuff I use is pushing it being almost post modern but I haven't used anythig that isn't MT in this war and I don't plan on dong so.

OOC: Same way VE's Good Ole Boys or whatever their called are. His fighters are more advanced than a F-22, no F-22 is gonna reach those kinds of speeds. No Im not Post modern Im MT but being MT doesn't mean I have to use weapons rl militaries use hence people on these boards have made their own designs and Ive bought a few of them. Some stuff I use is pushing it being almost post modern but I haven't used anythig that isn't MT in this war and I don't plan on dong so.

His stuff is feasible, and on par with F-22's technology wise. The materials he uses are possible in modern tech, just very expensive, which is reflected by the cost of them.



[OOC: The F-22 was completed with 2003-2004 technology, and the United States did not make a fighter jet with the capabilities a fighter jet built my a nation with an open GDP could built... meaning, my MMA-A2 Hawks, and the much newer MMA-A3 Falcons, produced by a nation with a population ten fold that of the United States and an economy manifold more powerful, is a generation or two above that of a real world jet - meaning the F-22 and the Su-37s. All the technology on my Hawks and Falcons though are 2005 (perhaps some aspects are 2007ish, but only minor details which you can ignore for this war), but with my GDP I was able to put the full load out of technology on them, unlike the F-22, which although powerful, was made to be affordable in large quantities also.

A generation or two behind the F-22 is an F-4, what you're saying is that the F-22 is the F-4, and your aircraft is the F-22.

OOC: My fighter is also feasible and is also MT, and VE's Mig is definitly a generation ahead of an F-22 from what I've seen. It was a simple figure of speach, an F-22 can still kill my fighter. Whats more important are its missiles, you can have a shitty fighter but a good missile will make that thing pretty good. Everything Im using in this war against you is either used now or projected within a few years. You also have to factor in it has a mix of Russian and American tech, best of both worlds. And like Mac said the F-22 doesn't have everything possible nowadays for the simple fact that it would cost to much $$. Its already the most expensive rl fighter out there, they wouldn't be able to afford it in any real numbers if it got anymore expensive. Thats not a problem for nations on NS who are 10times the size of America and thus can afford more expensive weapons. Plus, you can't look at American rl tech and just take that as the best of the best out their, hell the new Russian SU fighter is supposed to be more manueverable and cheaper than the F-22 among other things, just the F-22 has more electronics exc.

and which earth would this be? or is it a earth thread?

Earth DA

OOC: My fighter is also feasible and is also MT, and VE's Mig is definitly a generation ahead of an F-22 from what I've seen. It was a simple figure of speach, an F-22 can still kill my fighter. Whats more important are its missiles, you can have a shitty fighter but a good missile will make that thing pretty good. Everything Im using in this war against you is either used now or projected within a few years. You also have to factor in it has a mix of Russian and American tech, best of both worlds. And like Mac said the F-22 doesn't have everything possible nowadays for the simple fact that it would cost to much $$. Its already the most expensive rl fighter out there, they wouldn't be able to afford it in any real numbers if it got anymore expensive. Thats not a problem for nations on NS who are 10times the size of America and thus can afford more expensive weapons. Plus, you can't look at American rl tech and just take that as the best of the best out their, hell the new Russian SU fighter is supposed to be more manueverable and cheaper than the F-22 among other things, just the F-22 has more electronics exc.

OOC: Ok, yeah, just to clarifiy, I use mostly my own technology, but the body and chassis of an F-22. I have my own engines, electronic equipment, radar, missiles, etc.

The russians always talk about how good something is, but they usually bluff, or it hardly ever works as intended. Ok, I'll post the losses, when I get some time later on.

Bump for Kahta

They had first fired on the missiles acting as fighters taking out most of them but now they turned and fired on the sub launched missiles. They basically had their backs turned when the fighters jumped on them. The E-33 Watchman flying behind the fighters distributed the Kahtan fighters equally passing out targets to the waiting fighters. From a range of 120miles the F-121's let loose a wave of 150 Divinebolt long range missiles. The missiles were guided by both the E-33 and the fighters radar and Lidar systems and when they got closer their own radar/Lidar systems wouldhelp guide them in giving them a good kill ratio. Each F-22 had 3 missiles coming at them fast. To add to this 2 Divinebolt missiles were launched at the Kahtan AWAC's bird directing their F-22's. Those two shots were long(Im assuming the AWAC's is like 20mls behind your fighters?) but still within the Divinebolt range. It was unlikly the AWAC's bird would be shot down but it would have to shutdown and start pulling manuevers thereby taking away the Kahtans ability to "see" in this battle for a bit.

The Rain fighter bombers took this opertunity to hit Jamaica. They flew wide avoiding the air battle completly. It would take a while but they were to come in from the other side of Jamiaca and hit Jamaica from the north.(Air battle south of Jamaica.) The Kahtans, hopefully so busy with the fighters down south and with their AWAC's bird under attack, probaly wouldn't notice them till it was to late. 40km out a salvo of Kraven missiles was fired at Jamaica, each missiles would home in on any SAM or radar on Jamaica civilian or military. This was to knock out any remaining defenses before the Rain hit.



The men on board the mercheant waited and watched as the SH-60 came in. A message had been sent to the Leviathen below telling of what was happening but know all they could do was wait. It looked like the Leviathen might not have gotten the message but then missiles began bursting out of the waves, ten in all. They were Artemis SAM's sent from the Leviathen below. They targeted the Kahtan planes flying around the mercheants each plane getting two missiles to its name. The Kahtan helo was a different story, that was the job of the mercheant ship to take care of. Two shoulder fired missiles fired from the deck shot out heading to the the incoming SH-60. From the fleet a sqaudron of fighters was inbound to clear out any remaining Kahtans.



The E-767 as soon as the missile was detected, shut down its radar, and turned sharply down. The F-22's were alerted of the incoming missiles, and they turned and fired 3 their KAA-1's, then turned again, and sped up to mach 3, activating their ECMs, as they did so. When they reached mach 3, they dropped flares and chaff. 15 F-22's were hit. (OOC: As I said before, I use my own technology in my aircraft)

The E-767 did not miss the bombers that were trying to avoid the battle, the E-767 notified ground control, which told the SAM and radar stations to shut off their radar and move the location. (OOC: They were able to tell the type of missile that was launched) Then an attack force of 25 F-22's, all armed with 6 KAA-2's (A KAA-1 with a larger warhead), the F-22's waited until the bombers came into visual range, after being told of the bearing and location. The F-22's opened fire with 3 missiles each, and then started shooting at the bombers with their 20mm cannons.

The SH-60's were all destroyed, but not before saying "missile launched, incoming"... The high command was done with playing games, on land, a single missile was launched, it was a KSSM-3N, a surface to surface nuclear missile, it had the radar cross section of a small sparrow, and was armed with a single 20KT nuclear warhead, it would explode 2,500 feet up. The missile was a white blur, leaving no vapor trail, and a small heat signature.

The air battle was reaching a climax, whoever won now would effectively control the skies over Jamaica and in the end control Jamaica itself. The ASW perimeter of the fleet was now just 120mls off of Jamaica putting the SAM’s on the Cunningham destroyers well within range of the aircraft duking it out over the island. Rows of Macabean Preatorian IV SAM rack’s swiveled toward Jamaica. Shooting out 100 Preatorian IV missiles let fly at the F-22 fighters while another 10 focused on the single AWAC’s bird. The F-121’s hit their afterburner closing the range to 80 miles before they let loose a second salvo of Artemis missiles at the Kahtan F-22’s. Each of the sixty fighters fired two Artemis missiles at the Kahtan F-22’s that were trying to turn and engage the Rain fighter bombers.

The Rain wouldn’t give the Kahtan planes a chance to get to visual range. They were called fighter bombers for a reason and they now showed why. Watching the F-22’s flee from the F-121’s and come at them the Rain let loose their own salvo. Each of the 25 Kahtan F-22’s coming at them was targeted with 3 Artemis missiles from the rain on top of what was coming from behind them from the F-121’s and the fleet. The Kahtan fighters were caught in a vice, one that would squeeze and squeeze till it crushed the Kahtans inside.


The merchant ships had no chance, nothing they had could stand up to a nuke. They didn’t even know it was coming till they were engulfed in the giant fireball that shaped into a mushroom. Miles away the fleet could see the mushroom expand and immediately everyone knew what had happened. Safehaven would not go so low as to fire a nuke back at the Kahtans but they would remember.


Now the fleet truly got involved in the fight. The VLS racks on the fleets arsenal ships opened up and prepared to fire. Only two of the fleets arsenal ships would participate but that would be more than enough for the job. Opening up the VLS racks emptied themselves of their cargo, seconds later they fired again. Over a period of a few minutes 1,000 FastHawk II rose up over the fleet and turned over flying at Jamaica. Their targets were all remaining functional airfields, the 70 sub pens, all government related buildings and known military related positions and building including underground facilities. Another 40 missiles were fired but this time Icarus missiles. They rose up shooting into the atmosphere. Their targets were any Kahtan sats left over the area. The massive salvo was planned to fully prepare Jamaica for the invasion that would come the next day if things went well.


OOC: SOrry it took so long, been real busy.

The air battle was reaching a climax, whoever won now would effectively control the skies over Jamaica and in the end control Jamaica itself. The ASW perimeter of the fleet was now just 120mls off of Jamaica putting the SAM’s on the Cunningham destroyers well within range of the aircraft duking it out over the island. Rows of Macabean Preatorian IV SAM rack’s swiveled toward Jamaica. Shooting out 100 Preatorian IV missiles let fly at the F-22 fighters while another 10 focused on the single AWAC’s bird. The F-121’s hit their afterburner closing the range to 80 miles before they let loose a second salvo of Artemis missiles at the Kahtan F-22’s. Each of the sixty fighters fired two Artemis missiles at the Kahtan F-22’s that were trying to turn and engage the Rain fighter bombers.

The Rain wouldn’t give the Kahtan planes a chance to get to visual range. They were called fighter bombers for a reason and they now showed why. Watching the F-22’s flee from the F-121’s and come at them the Rain let loose their own salvo. Each of the 25 Kahtan F-22’s coming at them was targeted with 3 Artemis missiles from the rain on top of what was coming from behind them from the F-121’s and the fleet. The Kahtan fighters were caught in a vice, one that would squeeze and squeeze till it crushed the Kahtans inside.


The merchant ships had no chance, nothing they had could stand up to a nuke. They didn’t even know it was coming till they were engulfed in the giant fireball that shaped into a mushroom. Miles away the fleet could see the mushroom expand and immediately everyone knew what had happened. Safehaven would not go so low as to fire a nuke back at the Kahtans but they would remember.


Now the fleet truly got involved in the fight. The VLS racks on the fleets arsenal ships opened up and prepared to fire. Only two of the fleets arsenal ships would participate but that would be more than enough for the job. Opening up the VLS racks emptied themselves of their cargo, seconds later they fired again. Over a period of a few minutes 1,000 FastHawk II rose up over the fleet and turned over flying at Jamaica. Their targets were all remaining functional airfields, the 70 sub pens, all government related buildings and known military related positions and building including underground facilities. Another 40 missiles were fired but this time Icarus missiles. They rose up shooting into the atmosphere. Their targets were any Kahtan sats left over the area. The massive salvo was planned to fully prepare Jamaica for the invasion that would come the next day if things went well.


OOC: SOrry it took so long, been real busy.


The F-22's were all destroyed.

The military command center was tired of this war. Without authorization from the Czar, the commanding general in charge, took it on his own to initiave to release the use of nuclear weapons. The first round of weapons was a salvo of land based missiles. These missiles were launched at the enemy formations of bombers, fighters, incoming missiles and at the enemy naval assets. In total, 100 of his 400 nuclear weapons were fired, 10 at incoming missiles, 20 at bombers, 20 at fighters, and 50 at the ships. These missiles were KSSM-5N's, they went up to 150,000 feet, and then came down at a 90 degree angle on top of the target. The warheads were 500 kilotons each.

OOC: Its impossible to tell which sattelites are mine, so I don't really know what you want me to do.

The strike on the merchants had given the fleet ample warning to what was coming now. When the nukes started rising the F-121’s tried desperately to knock them down before they got out of their reach. Firing the last of their missiles they hit a good number of them as they rose but many still got away. The ships in the fleet pushed their engines as hard as they could to get spread out but they didn’t have much time. The nukes heading to the aircraft and missiles were useless, the missiles would still strike Jamaica and the planes would live to see another day but the ships weren’t fast enough to just move. When the surviving missiles heading for the fleet tipped over and started heading straight down at the fleet the fleet let loose a salvo of Preatorian V missiles. They only had time for one salvo as the nukes were coming in so fast but that salvo would be made to count. 400 Preatorians rose up flying straight at the nukes who were flying so fast they wouldn’t be able to maneuver much. Two nukes broke thru and struck the fleet, the first hit the third ASW perimeter while the second struck the edge of the fleets nucleus. 4 destroyers, 2 cruisers, an arsenal ship and half a dozen smaller ships went down. It would have been worse but ships are never close together their formations always leaving space.

The remaining silos on Jamaica would be destroyed, or at least sealed, by the incoming wave of missiles. Just in case the Rain were to switch from their original targets to striking the silos. The fleet’s formation was spread out even more to lessen casualties from a nuke attack if it were to happen again. Reinforcements were already coming from Africa to make good the losses and more. The fleet’s first ASW perimeter now lay 40mls off of Jamaica. At that range their ETC guns were well within range of the island and they got their revenge. Dozens of heavy ETC shells began striking anything to do with the Kahtan government on Jamaica. Soon enough the heavier railguns from the capital ships would add their weight in. Once the missiles and Rain struck the landings would begin.

you guys are right, i don't what about but you've covinced me, one way or another

:headbang:

OOC: Thanks, I'm honored to know that I convinced you to see things my way.

The strike on the merchants had given the fleet ample warning to what was coming now. When the nukes started rising the F-121’s tried desperately to knock them down before they got out of their reach. Firing the last of their missiles they hit a good number of them as they rose but many still got away. The ships in the fleet pushed their engines as hard as they could to get spread out but they didn’t have much time. The nukes heading to the aircraft and missiles were useless, the missiles would still strike Jamaica and the planes would live to see another day but the ships weren’t fast enough to just move. When the surviving missiles heading for the fleet tipped over and started heading straight down at the fleet the fleet let loose a salvo of Preatorian V missiles. They only had time for one salvo as the nukes were coming in so fast but that salvo would be made to count. 400 Preatorians rose up flying straight at the nukes who were flying so fast they wouldn’t be able to maneuver much. Two nukes broke thru and struck the fleet, the first hit the third ASW perimeter while the second struck the edge of the fleets nucleus. 4 destroyers, 2 cruisers, an arsenal ship and half a dozen smaller ships went down. It would have been worse but ships are never close together their formations always leaving space.

The remaining silos on Jamaica would be destroyed, or at least sealed, by the incoming wave of missiles. Just in case the Rain were to switch from their original targets to striking the silos. The fleet’s formation was spread out even more to lessen casualties from a nuke attack if it were to happen again. Reinforcements were already coming from Africa to make good the losses and more. The fleet’s first ASW perimeter now lay 40mls off of Jamaica. At that range their ETC guns were well within range of the island and they got their revenge. Dozens of heavy ETC shells began striking anything to do with the Kahtan government on Jamaica. Soon enough the heavier railguns from the capital ships would add their weight in. Once the missiles and Rain struck the landings would begin.

OOC: Don't state my losses.

To: Czar Sam Fabus of Kahta

We stand ready to support you with our military at a moments notice

~King Jedo~

To: Czar Sam Fabus of Kahta

We stand ready to support you with our military at a moments notice

~King Jedo~


Your help is not needed. Yet.

Czar Sam Fabus

OOC: State w/e losses you wanna take.

OOC:bump for Kahta