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ViZion/Allies, GE/Allies peace talks

imported_ViZion
15-02-2005, 03:56
Seeing that Generic Empire wishes these peace talks to happen as quickly as possible, ViZion has opened up for peace talks.

We request that this be held in ViZion, or on the neutral grounds of Macisikan.

Thank you,

President Maybury
New Zambuda
15-02-2005, 03:57
OOC-May we attend....
imported_ViZion
15-02-2005, 04:05
OOC: Yes... considering they said "CFA" and "Allies"... and you're both... :p
Canad a
15-02-2005, 04:10
I bet the FRC will be more then welcome to attend, maybe also Mediator?
Comdidia
15-02-2005, 04:13
Message to ViZion-
From: Comdidian World Affiars Department
Upon hearing of the peacetalks we have dispatched one of our diplomats on a militarytransport towards ViZion and would expect him to arrive within eight hours at our Naval Escort fleet. We will then contact you about confirmation on the location of these talks.
-end message-

Five minutes after the message was sent a modified C-130 departed Dakota Air Force base to fly towards the Heavy Support Fleet in the Mediterranean Sea to land and refuel before heading onto its final destination for the peace talks.
Turetel
15-02-2005, 04:40
The Turetelian Government well send Earl Watson, ex-Head of Trade, 74th Infantry, and well trained diplomat to come. Also a very good ally towards Generic Empire as he fought along and shed blood with her.
Generic empire
15-02-2005, 04:45
Official Imperial Statement

The Empire agrees to attend talks in Macisikan, and will send Colonel Aleksander Norovic to represent the Imperial Government throughout this affair. He will be accompanied by a security detail of twelve Imperial Praetorian White Guardsmen.
imported_ViZion
15-02-2005, 04:52
We now just await Macisikan to officially allow us to host it there.
Macisikan
15-02-2005, 04:55
The Empire is willing to host these talks in the city of Sar'Adat, at Sar'Adat Castle North. We are officially neutral in this matter, and most likely to remain so.

The following conditions apply to all attendees, regardless of your position with our government (some are negotiable, some are not);
1. Baron Tierce deRenci of our diplomatic corps will attend as a neutral monitor to the talks. The Baron will not participate directly in the talks, except to maintian order should it be required (similiar to the speaker's role in parliament).

2. Minutes will be taken by our Ministry of External Affairs, as well as recordings (all records may be sealed for up to forty years at the request of a party if that party's national security requires such a move; electronic recordings will be suspended during such periods); this will ensure that a relatively unbiased record will remain.

3. All attending states are required to keep their respective militaries at least 100 nm from Macisikani Territorial waters; this includes spy drones, etc.

4. All attending states' delegates are allowed an honour guard of no more than fifty (50) personnel; these are to disclose all weaponry to the Ministry of External Affairs prior to entry to Macisikan, as well as any unarmed forms of combat in which they are trained (this information will remain confidential). The honour guards will not be allowed into the conference itself; each delegate is permitted up to six (6) unarmed guards into the chamber.

5. Each delegate is permitted one (1) encrypted communications channel to their homeland, with whatever protection they wish to employ against espionage (within reason).

6. The area will be guarded by the Ministry's forces, as well as the Military to ensure blanket security.
Generic empire
15-02-2005, 04:59
Official Imperial Statement

The Imperial Government accepts these terms, and will dispatch our delegation as soon as possible.
imported_ViZion
15-02-2005, 05:03
Macisikan, we accept these terms, and thank you for your willingness to host such an event. Our delegates are now preparing to depart for their plane.
Macisikan
15-02-2005, 05:09
His Imperial Majesty's Government is most pleased at this news that both Generia and ViZion are willing to settle their differences amicably. We look forward to the arrival of your delegates in Sar'Adat.

Our invitation does extend to the close allies of both these fine nations.

- Ministry of External Affairs.
Comdidia
15-02-2005, 05:15
The Plane had touched down and was in the process of refueling as the word came in it was offically in Macisikan. The Diplomat, named Steven Argesor, radioed ahead to ViZion asking if he might be able to fly with the ViZion delegation, along with his small five man security force. The plane lifted off ten minutes later setting its heading for ViZion International Airport and planned to arrive in one hours time.

It only ended up taking one hour and ten minutes for the plane to reach and land at ViZion International, where upon it landed and waited for the next bit of information as the ramp was lowered and the security force and Steven departed the plane to get transport to the ViZion flight.
imported_ViZion
15-02-2005, 05:33
Just as the ViZionarian delegates were about to board the plane, Mariano Villian, ViZion's Vice President, arrived. "I will be going along. I am going with just one of you, however." he said, selecting one of the top diplomats in the group. "Wilson, let's go. The rest of you are to return to headquarters." he said. Seeing the Comdidian's walk over, "Hello! Come, come. Let these fine men grab your bags for you." he said, waving them onto the plane.

Five minutes later, the plane was jetting down the runway, off to Macisikan for peace talks.
Jarridia
15-02-2005, 06:29
Will Jarridia be welcome in the peace talks, if so, it will be spoken as the WWA as a whole.
imported_ViZion
15-02-2005, 06:36
We welcome Jarridia, as we are so tightly aligned that this war would, without a doubt, have a dramatic effect on your nation, thus the WWA, too.
Canad a
15-02-2005, 07:04
There will be a delegation from the Federal Republic of Canada to these peace talks, at this time the delegates will be taking a centrist poistion since we are peace building with the Generic Empire and we currently have stronger ties with ViZion.

Secretary Darren Temple, State Secretary
State Department, Federal Republic of Canada
Macisikan
15-02-2005, 13:20
Despite not being, in our view, protagonists in this issue, the delagates from The Federal Republic of Canada are permitted to attend the talks, as they are definately concerned parties.

-Ministry of External Affairs.

[sent only to Canad_a; Next time, ask us, or we will refuse to issue a visa. And then your people will end up being detained by Immigration. And that would cause all sorts of headaches we'd all rather not have.

We only say this becuase our invitation was sent to ViZion, Generia and their respective allies, and you appear not to fall in any of these groupings.]
Dr_Twist
15-02-2005, 14:37
OCC:

The Dr_Twist government would like to attend on Behalf of NWO and the RBA, as we are Vizion allies.
imported_ViZion
15-02-2005, 17:05
Despite not being, in our view, protagonists in this issue, the delagates from The Federal Republic of Canada are permitted to attend the talks, as they are definately concerned parties.

-Ministry of External Affairs.

[sent only to Canad_a; Next time, ask us, or we will refuse to issue a visa. And then your people will end up being detained by Immigration. And that would cause all sorts of headaches we'd all rather not have.

We only say this becuase our invitation was sent to ViZion, Generia and their respective allies, and you appear not to fall in any of these groupings.]
OOC: actually, to clear things up, he is considered an ally as he is part of the WWA, which I am a member of, and the CFA is allied to.
Jarridia
15-02-2005, 18:20
Marissa Stassin, a tall, tan, brunette woman of about 35 arrived, as she is the current WWA President and was previously the Jarridian Representative. Along with her are several key members of the WWA and Eric Johnson, who is the secretary of Foreign Affairs for Jarridia. Together, they formed the delegation that would, not only represent Jarrida, but also represent the Westwood Alliance's intentions as a whole.

They had been working for several days in the WWA Headquarters in Westwood, Jarridia, on key points that needed to be made to further extend peace between these three main alliances.

Item's must be in place to prevent further hostilities between the WWA, CFA, and CAD. When this meeting has begun, our points will be spelled out thoroughly, and we believe that we can come to terms with many of them. Thank you.

~The Westwood Alliance~
Inkana
15-02-2005, 20:24
The Empire would be elighted to send Admiral Alexander Stiov to attend these talks. Inkana is allied to The Generic Empire and wishes to see that the negoiations go smoothly. Accompanying Admiral Stiov will be 3 Imperial Naval Ratings.
Ramissle
15-02-2005, 21:16
The Incorporation would like to send upcoming presidential canidate, Randy Reach to these peace talks.
Generic empire
15-02-2005, 21:35
((OOC: Skipping the plane landing because it bores me.))

The motorcade bearing the diplomatic flags of the Generic Empire pulled up in front of the building where the talks were scheduled to be held. A sharply dressed chauffeur stepped out and opened the rear door to the black limousine with tinted windows. Four Imperial Praetorian Guardsmen in full dress uniform stepped out onto the curb and stood at attention, sabers hanging at their waists.

A gentleman dressed in the black uniform of the Imperial regular army stepped out. He was of average height, and sported greying hair and a sharply trimmed white beard. The sunlight reflected in the monocle that covered his right eye. He walked with a slight limp, and carried a polished mahoganony cane. The numerous medals hung from his jacket, the most noticable being the Imperial Iron Cross, proudly displayed over the left breast.

He was joined by eight more Imperial white guardsmen, and they proceeded towards the building's entrane.
Macisikan
15-02-2005, 22:28
OOC: actually, to clear things up, he is considered an ally as he is part of the WWA, which I am a member of, and the CFA is allied to.

OOC: My bad (it was the note about the "centrist position" that fooled me).

Also OOC: Assuming all security checks were done at customs at the airport.

IC:
"Colonel Norovic, welcome to Sar'Adat. If you would come this way..." numerous protocol officers (officials the empire employed to do a number of minor diplomatic functions, such as make sure foreign diplomats kept their feet out of their mouths) were stationed just outside the gates to the Castle.
One of them, accompanied by a pair of security officers, had stepped forward, and was indicating that the colonel should follow him into the castle.
"Baron deRenci is waiting for you; he's just overseeing the final preparations. The conference is being held in the castle's old Privy Council Chamber, with refreshments being served nearby in the Great Hall. Tea, coffee, and biscuits will be available during the conference itself, and we can provide you with something to eat if you have missed a meal during your trip."

The others waited to say the same thing to the other delegates.
Turetel
15-02-2005, 23:00
The nation of Turetel wishes to know if they are allowed in this peace conference. We have alot riding on the outcome, most notable to our nation is the alliance with Generic Empire and the negative effect on trade that would occur if we do not get a delegate at the meeting.

We await your response.
Wirraway
15-02-2005, 23:10
Wirraway's Secretray of State Chester Brown will be attending as an observer and confidant to The Generian delegation. 12 Marines will be detailed to his security outfit. The secretary will be in Macisikan within a day or so.
Macisikan
15-02-2005, 23:13
The nation of Turetel wishes to know if they are allowed in this peace conference. We have alot riding on the outcome, most notable to our nation is the alliance with Generic Empire and the negative effect on trade that would occur if we do not get a delegate at the meeting.

We await your response.

You are an ally of Generia?

The invitation is to ViZion and allies, AND Generia and allies.

We await your arrival.
imported_ViZion
15-02-2005, 23:36
OOC: Ahh well, it happens sometimes... also, I'll skip landing...
IC:
Mariano Villian, ViZion's Vice President, and Jack Wilson, the diplomatic-delegate, walked over to the black limousine. "Well, let's get this over with. Generia needs to sign a pact with us that they will never participate in any such 'crusade' against us, the CFA, or our allies. I don't know what the heck they were thinking. Do you think they honestly think they could rally such support and win such a war? Villian asked to Wilson, "Well, I..." he started to reply before being cut off by Villian, "That was redundant you know..." he said, flashing a glare at Wilson. "I'm sorry, just that they've got me all uptight right now." he said to Wilson. "Ya, I've got a splitting head ache from a couple of days ago because of this..." he replied as they climbed into the car.

Shortly there after they pulled up outside of the undisclosed location of the meeting. (OOC: Sorry if I missed the name of it...) They both quickly exited, having no guards around them. They knew they were safe in Macisikan, and they knew if someone took a shot at them, there would be more than enough shit to cover the ceiling. They were ready for this.
Comdidia
15-02-2005, 23:47
Steven Argesor and his detail all walked over and got into what they were accustom to riding in, nice Black SUV's. The driver ended up following the ViZion representative to Sar'Adat Castle North, and upon arrival two men stepped out dressed in just casual clothing and let Steven out of the back of the vehicle. He then walked foreward with two of his men towards the enterance to be directed as to where to go.
Turetel
15-02-2005, 23:50
OOC: Actually I am recently a CFA ally, and always anti-genocide and such, but Generic Empire is the longest withstanding alliance since the Turetelian Dictorial era.

IC: (I am also skipping both the landing and take off for times sake) Clovian Earl Watson stepped out onto the grounds of Macisikan knowing full well that he had no guard and had no real safety with the exception of his saber which was on him nearly all the times in foreign lands. He saw the vehicle that his government had ordered for him, an armoured car, looking like one of the spy cars in the movie, all black and sinister. He put his saber down and started the drive towards the location. He was faced with difficult choices, and a difficult task, support Generic Empire whom he fought besides and become an outlaw to Turetel (60% chance that that would happen) or hope that he could neogitate some fair terms for all sides. He figured that the people of Turetel would stand by his choices and the fact was that he was the most qualified for the job of Diplomat. He pulled up and parked the car... *flashback* Charging the small nest of desert machine guns set up along the Palombia coastal line, charging to his right was not another Turetelian or Balkan but a Generic Empire soldier, we had both charged and took out the entire nest together, me with my saber, and him with his weapon of choice. I also remember shaking hands with him and talking over some personal issues on war and how the family at home was, etc. etc. Then I remember exchanging some information so we could stay in contact, and that would be one of my personal ties. Or the time were a Generic Soldier and I were charging an encampent and he took a bullet for me, but that is for another memory.
Wirraway
16-02-2005, 01:31
The secretary landed quitely and without ceremony. Three jet black Audi A8s rolled onto the tarmac and quickly whisked away the secretary, his aides and security detail. Through the tinted windows of the middle car the Secretary gazed out at the passing landscape, churning over his thoughts concerning the coming meeting.

How I hope these Visionese don't ask for anything too sweeping or rash, the Generians can be dammn fickle at times and I trust they realize this; or they may find out just how angry an offended Generian Empreror can be.

He chuckled thinking back to the litany of small and large nations that had dared to defy or insult the Generians only to be enslaved the next month with Preatorians burning their cities and raping their women.

I can only pray that it all goes well, we can't afford another major war at this point

his mind drifted back to the noticable deteriotation of the Concordiat Armed forces due to the fledging Eugenics program, but he caught himself, remembering the report he had read on the flight over

Ach, we should be back to full strength and better in no time especially if the new soldiers pan out, what a fighting force it will be.

The limos swept through the street and pulled up at the conference location. Chester stepped inside and walked over the Generian delegation, hoping to create a suitable negotiating strategy.
Macisikan
16-02-2005, 04:53
The protocol officers hurried forwards, collecting delegates and hustling them deep into the Castle.

The Wirrawayian (?) secretary was foiled in his attempt to speak to the Generians before they entered to conference; first by the annoyingly efficient protocol officers, who were dividing and collecting, and then, in the castle, by the Baron himself, who had stopped yelling at a group of people in catering uniforms long enough to greet the delegates, and lead them into the old privy council chamber.

The chamber's walls were lined with old heraldic shields, far up and out of reach. Set up in it were three sets of tables; two of them faced each other across the room, while the third, smaller, was set at one end and between the other two. Places had already been set, and the delegates were guided to them. The Baron seated himself, with several aides, at the smaller table.

Catering staff asked each of the delegates for preferred choices of snacks and drinks (based on the Macisikani belief that people were more conciliatory if they were fed), while everyone waited for the last diplomats to arrive.

OOC: The tables are set up like this;
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with the Baron seated where the underscore is.
Turetel
16-02-2005, 20:36
Earl greeted everyone and sat down and asked for a Cherry Split, (thats right, a cherry split), and some saltines. Normally he wouldn't have anything with Cherries or a trace of alcohol in it, but he thought it wouldn't hurt. He knew some hard issues would be coming and his input would be valued to at least some extent. He checked his phone one last time before talking to some others: Urgent Message flashed on the screen and when he saw it his face went white. The current Head of Forces ordered him to side with Side A, not only did Earl not know what Side A was, he would be executed for Grand Treason if he didn't. He called for a new drink, a Hurricane, with double rum and some spices. This was going to be a long day.
Ramissle
16-02-2005, 20:49
Randy Reach stumbled into the confrence room.
"Yeah, thats a GOOD one Bob!" he said to an unseen man outside.
He sat down and began to drink a Screwdriver, his fifth so far. Randy reached into his breifcase and got out his laptop. He signed on his account, after about five attempts, and found what the President wanted him to say. He picked up his cell phone and called him to find out further information.
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Turetel
16-02-2005, 21:16
Looking at the menu item Earl saw something he didn't know about, he asked for a Bloody Beer Special, almost gagging on his first sip and the server smiling cruelly. "Want me to take it back sir?" "Hold on a second server." Taking another sip and then downing it all at once he noticed an off-set taste of some eggnog that seemed to be from the 60's. "Wow, that was pretty darn good, get me another will yah."

Earl took this as a sign and thought the day would be alright.
Comdidia
16-02-2005, 21:22
Steven took a seat, "Nothing for me." He said having eaten on the flight and drive over here already and didn't exactly want to start drinking anything just yet. He pulled out his cellphone and dialed up the number for the government offices back home to confirm what needed to be said.
Turetel
16-02-2005, 21:40
nevermind this post, really.
Wirraway
16-02-2005, 21:47
Chester Brown took a seat next to the Generian delegation and watched the proceedings silently while taking notes on the actions of the other delegates. They could be useful later in the negotiations.
Turetel
16-02-2005, 22:00
Earl looked at his watch, took out the saltines and ate them. Then he got out a pad of paper and made a visual list of what he stood for in this conference and what he believed in. He looked over a caught the eye of the Wirraway diplomat. Now he was starting to worry just abit. He opened up his CPU and took out a few disks and loaded them...and loaded...and loaded...
When they were finished he had the data of every country at the conference on the laptop and was ready to look into some more Turetelian laws to make sure he wasn't violating any at the moment.
imported_ViZion
16-02-2005, 22:25
Mr. Villian and Mr. Wilson both moved quickly to their seats, making sure they faced the Generians directly.

After Mr. Villian settled into his seat, then quickly flashing a devils eye at the Generians, so quickly he wasn't even sure if they saw. He then nodded to then as a hello.
Crossman
16-02-2005, 22:36
Secretary of State Lord Azrael von Dracwald shall attend to stand by our ally, ViZion.

(ooc: however I won't be on much today)
Communist Rule
16-02-2005, 23:15
The wise Premier V. Ilyenov was in the motorcade, somewhere. As the line of 7 green and red HMMWV Mk.8 rumbled to a halt outside the diplomatic compound, three men departed each vehicle. 18 of them were members of the elite Muerte Roja, the UCTCR's Black Operations specialists. These were the men who would make your brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers disappear overnight. From the second to last vehicle in the convoy came three men in suits. The Premier of 64 years was in a three piece suit and a heavy wool overcoat. He placed the suede hat over his balding head and turned to address the man beside him with unheard words. He was speaking to the Minister of Foreign Affairs, D. Kozlov, whose aid was climbing out with his papers behind him. Together the three made their way towards the conference building, annoyed at being late. The Muerte Roja followed behind quickly in their tactical black fatigues, eyes darting around constantly while hands rested on Colt M1911s, a unit favorite.
Turetel
16-02-2005, 23:47
Watson looked at several laws noting importing choices in the Turetelian House and Posts. Genocide Banned (1931) 511-3 : 38-0 (post) - this stood out most to Earl as he then found another interested one: Genocide Act of Turetel de 38 (of 1951)- All nations found guilty of genocidal intentions by a civil leader can be found guilty and sent to war from Turetel.
Thinking to himself," Wow, so many useless laws that we should repel or update...what the, whats this one?!"

Jacksonian Law : Article 3 : Section 17 (1-16 seem to be missing from the database) _-To those who are considered allies that violate laws set forth by our government during anytime should try and be peacefully persuaded to drop their laws and wrongful ways at the time. To those laws that withstand decades of corruption in Turetel that are repealed, it should be noted, that they can be re-introduced by a civil or military society.
Section 18- Acts that include slavery, rebellion (of a poor nature, radical governments, and killing of civilians in ones terrorities should be persuaded through all means to end their action.)

Wow, guess these laws make some sense, but why would Jackson place his own set of laws down, I have never even heard of them...

"A Soda Water this time sir, thanks."
imported_ViZion
17-02-2005, 00:15
Mr. Villian waved over a server, "Could I get a 21 year Chevas Regal? For your services, here, take this..." he said, stuffing a $10 USD bill into the servers pocket, then patting it. "Now, bring me my Chevas... thank you sir." he said to the server.
Turetel
17-02-2005, 00:47
When Earl got his water he handed the man a 100 USD bill thanking him for all of his "demands".

He then got up and chatted with the ViZion people and a few sidebar conversation with the Generics.
imported_ViZion
17-02-2005, 00:59
When Mr. Villian and Mr. Wilson saw Earl headed there way, they stood up to greet him.

"Hello, I am Mr. Villian, Vice President of ViZion. This is Mr. Wilson, a delegate who is attending with me. Mr. Villian said, then shaking hands with Earl, Mr. Wilson doing the same.

"You're from Turetel?" asked Wilson.
Turetel
17-02-2005, 01:03
"What a foolish question to ask, but yet just the best one. I am from a different nation all together, just like Jackson McAbb was, he was from Midwest Balka, and I came from, oh, hold on a second...waiter, could you please get me another Soda Water?"
imported_ViZion
17-02-2005, 01:33
"Oh, I see..." Wilson replied, not expecting that. After he fell silent for a moment, Villian said, "Well, quite an issue we've got here, wouldn't you say? I can't believe Generia would make such a threat. That put us on edge, and really, we took offense to that. Then hearing of some nations offering their support and aid in such a war... we had to mobilize and alert our allies. We couldn't sit there and wait for them to attack."
Generic empire
17-02-2005, 02:32
Colonel Norovic entered the conference room and sat down. The well dressed waiter approached his seat, and he waved him away.

"I don't drink."

With an eye as sharp as that of a bird of prey, he caught a devilish glance from one of the ViZionarians, and retorted with a solid, emotionless glare.
Ramissle
17-02-2005, 02:38
Randy Reach began to cough loudly.
"Oh, sorry. I had a couple too many drinks. Anyways, I would just like to say something. It appears that this situation arised during a conflict largely between The Incorporation and Doomingsland. If that is so, than why was that transmission that ViZion intercepted mostly aimed at the CFA Alliance as a whole? Obviously, The Incorporation failed to gain support from the alliance, and the Coalition took a more peaceful approach."
He sat down, apparently very drunk, as his speaking out of turn implied.
Macisikan
17-02-2005, 04:33
Baron deRenci waved one of the protocol officers over.
"I think we have everyone. Just make sure that the rest get here if they are late," the Baron's eagle-sharp eyes caught several hand movements. "Call the castle bursar; tell her to collect the tips being handed out now, before someone makes accusations of bribing the staff."
The Baron then glanced at Randy Reach. "And I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that Mr. Reach has had all the refreshments he can handle," he murmered behind his hand.
The officer nodded and darted away, while another one stepped forward.

"Your attention please. Your attention please. Thank you. My Lord?"
Baron deRenci stood.
"Thank you all for coming to this important conference. As you are all no doubt aware, we are here to settle the matter between ViZion and Generia over a certain communication made a few days ago. We are not here to throw pointless accusations at each other, or such. We are all here, and are all willing and able to find an amicable solution.
"So, if you could just take your seats, we shall begin."
He sat back down.
Turetel
17-02-2005, 05:02
Watson sat back down, but not before telling the Vizionians that he was an ex-Internationale member, and held citizenship in nearly 40 countries, New Cyprus, West Balka, Turetel, Midwest Balka, the Balka, etc. etc. The one he was born in though was a rebel torn land rescued by the Midwest Balkans during the years before they were "glassed" by a Foreign terrorist/Fascist organization. He had always held a special place for this homeland of Cyprus (both Greek and Turkish) and had gone on for a few minutes. He begin to fell a little light headed and thank god that the Baron had called an issue of ordinance. He sat down and got ready for some serious neogotiating, something that he, unlike Jackson, was not quite as smooth and serious, but rather fun loving, a little cruel, and a tad sarcastic. He stared blankly into everyones eyes that were in the room and awaited eagerly the start of his first Internationale meeting.
imported_ViZion
17-02-2005, 05:04
Mr. Villian and Mr. Wilson sat back down quickly at the request of Baron deRenci.

They waited, throwing glances around at the other delegates, and noticing they were among the view who did not have any guards. "Sheesh, those people... I'm the Vice President and I don't worry about things... they're not even as high as me, and they got guards swarming all over the place." he whispered to Wilson.
"Well, unlike us, they all seem to worry about nothing. Either that, or they worry because they feel that people will attack then, not fearing any reactions their nations can throw at them. Either way, I find it humorous." Wilson replied with a sly smile, and a humored look in his eyes.
"I agree, I agree..." Villian said with a slight chuckle. He then quickly cleared his throat, and scanned the room, and those who were in it, waiting for the next part of Baron deRenci's speach.
Turetel
17-02-2005, 05:09
Finally getting his Soda Water, and a few more Soda Waters at that, Watson put his Saber down, for the first time in hours. Looking around he let out a slight chuckle, only he and the ViZion Diplomats and Government members had no guard, chuckling again and then catching the eye of the chuckling ViZion member and then thinking they weren't much different then each other. Remember that the Baron was about ready to speak and start the chain of events that would begin the peace process Watson shut-up and waited, still having a slight smile at all of the guards he had seen so far that day and the fact that he had none, and he was the 2nd most powerful Turetelian Post (Head of Trade and Commerce) and probably the most likely to gain the Head of Forces Post next election with this diplomatic work under his belt.
Canad a
17-02-2005, 05:09
The Canadian Ambassador to ViZion, Peter MacKay and his delegation were members present for the peace conference between ViZion and the Generic Empire and their respected allies. The Federal Republic of Canada would remain as a nuetral nation but would have a representative because ViZion is Canada's second closest ally, and diplomatic relations with the Generic Empire were strengthening.

His delegation was not the only Canadian Delegation present at the peace talks, there was another Ambassador to be announced to be the leader of the Canadian Diplomatic Mission to the Generic Empire within the peace talks, however, Peter MacKay did not know any more then what the others knew.
Macisikan
17-02-2005, 05:22
The Baron noted with a smile that everyone had sat, and was waiting expectently; this boded well, as it showed that everyone was at least willing to listen.
"Once again, I thank you all for coming, to choose to talk in a bid to settle this issue, rather than choosing a more, ah, military option. I would invite the ViZioner delegate to state his case first, and then the Generians to reply, and then I think we shall open the floor to debate from all parties."
The Baron sipped from a mug of something steaming, with more caffeine in it that a coffee plantation.
imported_ViZion
17-02-2005, 05:24
Vice President Villian glanced up to The Baron for a second to make sure he wasn't going to continue before he stood up.

OOC: I would assume we do, but just to clarify, do we all have mics or do we need to go up to the front to state our case?
Macisikan
17-02-2005, 05:33
OOC: You have all have mics.


IC: The Baron returned the vice-president's gaze with a nod, then frowned into his cup.
It was empty; a horrifying sight.
A protocol officer hurried over to refill it.
imported_ViZion
17-02-2005, 05:59
OOC: alright, thanks, figured we did but needed to check...
IC:
"Hello Delegates of Generia, allies of her, and allies of our own. I would first like to start off by thanking Macisikan for her hospitality in hosting such an event that is of such great importance. We cannot say in words how much this means to us. Thank you.

I would like to state that I do fully intend to settle this by peace, and hope that Generia, and other nations who have willingly attended this meeting have the same plans. We would hate to go to war, and that is why we are here.

As you all are aware by now, this event started off with our communications intercepting a message coming from Generia. In this message, a threat was made. It was not just saying that they wished for a war upon a single nation. No. I will quote the threat made.

Lord Varus feels that the time is not quite right for the crusade against the CFA ... If we are patient, he believes that we will find the perfect opportunity to sweep the board and destroy ViZion, Ramissle, and their allies forever.

We have taken great offense from this, and became very alarmed at such a threat. Not only did they want war, they wanted a 'crusade' to destroy us, The Coalition Forces Alliance, and our allies. We will not tolerate such aggression and threats.

When we got word that some nations began offering their support to a war, we felt cornered. We began to mobilize, as well as alert our allies. Some of our allies followed suit, as they, too, became increasingly worried.

We are now here to not ask, but demand, that Generia retract such a threat. We will not tolerate threats being made to us and our allies, rather it is planned to be fulfilled, or if it is just a bunch of words combined as they try to act and sound tough.

We also must demand that Generia and her allies sign an agreement to never attack ViZion, the Coalition Forces Alliance, or our allies, without first being attacked. We cannot justify talking peace if the opposition refuses to agree to these terms in good will that they do not have plans to, nor will not embark in the future, on a crusade to destroy ViZion and our allies.

We are extremely concerned over this, and we prefer peace. When a threat comes up such as this, we are forced to look at options, including going to war. In good will, we come to the peace table to settle this matter without deaths of millions, possibly billions, in a war because the aggressors want to destroy a peaceful, loving way of life that threatens their ability to rule their people, and threatens their ability to kill their people in senseless acts of genocide.

We first ask, however, for Generia to explain why she would ever dare make such threatening and aggressive statements towards ViZion, the Coalition Forces Alliance, and our allies. We have done nothing to your nation. Yes, you are on the Axis of Evil list, but that gives you no reason to threaten a crusade against us.

Thank you."
Mr. Villian took a deep breath, brushed down his black suit, and after looking around and tossing a glare at Generia's delegates, sat down, ready to hear what Generia had to say for their actions.
Euroslavia
17-02-2005, 07:24
The diplomat from Euroslavia remained in his seat while listening to the delegate from ViZion announce the purpose of the meeting. The leader of the Generic Empire had run his mouth a bit too much, and had practically caused a massive conflict between ViZion and her allies, and Generia and her allies. It was foolish. The only thing that Generia had to do was retract their words, and promise not to attack ViZion and their allies, and the conference would be finished, however, it didn't seem like it was going to end that quickly...

Euroslavia, as it has always done in the past, was willing to stand by ViZion, one of their greatest allies, through anything. This situation with Generia is no different, seeing as Euroslavia has had previous trouble with them. Tensions between Generia and Euroslavia have been nothing short of icy...
Macisikan
17-02-2005, 07:29
"We shall now hear the delegate from Generia," Baron deRenci announced.
He fixed the Euroslavian delegate with a stare, which gave the other the erie feeling that everything he'd just thought had been heard by the Baron, before looking down and sipping his noxious brew, then sending his attention roving across the room again.
Comdidia
17-02-2005, 07:47
Steven just sat there listening thinking to himself, These folks from ViZion sure could use a little work on their peace talk skills for sure. It hadn't been the first time he had been at peace talks but it was one of the few he was actually on a side, to a degree. He just sat their relaxed in his chair waiting to hear the response to the nice speech given.
Turetel
17-02-2005, 13:59
Earl sat listening politely, knowing full well that he hoped to get an agreement between all of the nations here on a certain issue that might have sparked the conflict. It would be a simple agreement, just don't do this... or that... (something along those lines.) For now he just sipped some more soda water and thought about the ViZion speech.
imported_ViZion
17-02-2005, 17:15
Mr. Villian, after sitting down, looked around, noticing some looking at him, others at Generia's delegates, and yet others seeming to be in deep thought.

Hmm... he wondered, I wonder what they though of my little speach..., then turning to Mr. Wilson, and in a hushed voice, said, "Well, do you think they'll accept our demands?", to which Wilson only replied, "They've better..." before pulling out his pocket instant messanger, which simply read Another ally mobilized "Oh... I see... well, we'll see how this goes... Maybury knows not to demobilize the rest of our forces until peace is made."

He than sat their, gazing on, waiting for Generia to respond, wanting to hear what he considered their pathetic, lie-filled excuses to explain their reasoning behind their threats towards us, while also hoping to see Generia come to their senses, realize why the hell they were here in the first place, and accept the damands, thus creating peace.
Wirraway
17-02-2005, 20:47
Chester churned over the speech in his head attempting to understand why the Vizion representatives had come out with such strong words so early in the proceedings,

What do they want to do, scare the Generians into signing this document. If I've learned one thing when negotiaiting with the Generians its never, never to call them out publicly. I foresee a short and bitter end to these discussions.

With that thought in his mind he turned to a fresh page in his notepad and waited for the inevitably heated and controversial Generian response.
Communist Rule
17-02-2005, 23:28
Ilyenov sat with his entourage, a neutral expression on a face trained by years of politics. He approved of the speech, as it was proper for the upperhanded side in a peaceful conflict. It was direct, correct, and addressed properly. He grimaced slightly when the Vizion Vice President leaned over to make small talk--that was not a proper thing to do. The United Cuban Territories of Communist Rule had several thousand troops still mobilized incase the Generians and Allies decided to use the Peace Talks as a front for preemptive strikes. Money was being siphoned away from the UCTCR at the time, and the paused mobilization could only be sustained for a few more months. Ilyenov moved his spectacles higher on his nose and turned his head towards the Generian diplomat.
Turetel
18-02-2005, 00:13
A little forceful, but it was to the point, just the way I like these peace conferences. Hopefully both sides aren't to rash, if I don't present my plan, I run the risk of treason in my own country, but whatever way this roles I have to go with it.

Lets see, the speech overall was good, better message that to the Post back home, hopefully they don't understand it differently then I did, hopefully...
imported_ViZion
18-02-2005, 00:30
OOC: Turetel, Macisikan, check TG plz
Generic empire
18-02-2005, 00:46
A near imperceptible smile crossed Colonel Norovic's face as Vice President Villian finished. He had expected this to be easy, and had just been proved correct. He took a quick glance at the document resting on the table before him before standing. In a calm, measured tone, he spoke in English with a slight Generian accent.

"First, I will on behalf of the Imperial government thank the Macisikani government for agreeing to host these negotiations. I think I speakl for all when I say that their hospitality has proved impeccable. I would also like to assure everyone present that the Imperial government also fully hopes for a peaceful solution to this rather unpleasant business.

In response to Mr. Villian's statements, I will speak on behalf of Emperor Antonius I, Lord Varus, and the Imperial government. I will not deny that such a statement as quoted here was indeed made over private channels to the government of Doomingsland and other allied regional heads of state, but I will contest the degree to which it was interpreted.

The aforementioned statement, I assure you, was in no way a true threat of invasion, but rather a bit of bluster in an effort by the Imperial government to dissuade the government of Doomingsland from pursuing a war in Ramissle and eventually conquering and subjugating this nation after the nation had already withdrawn and requested peace. It is my view that the real threat here was the unspoken intent by the governments of other more extreme powers to make war on the WWA, and that the only reason war was averted was because of certain actions by the Generian government to put aside such measures in favor of coexistence with the WWA. In return for our efforts to avert war, the WWA responded with a mass mobilization and direct threat of hostilities against the Empire, hardly a worthy reception.

However, despite our absolute willingness to retract the aforementioned statement and to sign a permanent non-aggression pact with ViZion and the WWA, I must hereby take the time to state the extreme discontent of the Imperial government with the behavior of the supposedly ‘moderate’ governments of said nations. It is very clear to us that these nations in do not wish for peace at all, but instead would rather send millions of men to their deaths in a crusade to annihilate Generia and her allies.

This is even more evident through the implied threats against Generia brought forth by the addition of the Empire to a so called ‘Axis of Evil’ list composed by the nations of Jarridia and ViZion. The Empire in no way desires the strife that such a world war would no doubt cause, and will continue to strive for peace between the regions through signing the non-aggression pact, however we warn any and all nations who would have intent to do harm to the Empire or any of her allies, those represented at this conference and those absent, that Generia will stand for no foreign aggression whatsoever. The Empire never has, and never will capitulate to a foreign power with express intent to destroy the Empire or the Imperial government, and if attacked, will fight bitterly and to the death of every free man in Generia to destroy our enemies. Take this as a warning and a reminder that signing this pact will not blunt our awareness or blind our ability to perceive any schemes being concocted by the governments of ViZion and the WWA. The Empire will not start a war, but we will indeed finish one.”

The Colonel stared into the eyes of every foreign representative seated across from him, piercing into their very souls with his steel blue eyes. He looked back to the mediator, nodded, and calmly took his seat.
Macisikan
18-02-2005, 00:54
The Baron winced at the Generian's mispronunciation of the Empire's name.
Oh well, they all do it...

When the Generian had finished, the Baron, casting his own glance around the room, announced "We shall now throw open the floor to debate," and then paused.

"Please keep it civil," he added, remembering some of the more colourful conferences the Empire had hosted, one of which had ended with the protocol officers literally pulling the delegates away from eachothers' throats...

And this lot are supposed to be meeting to discuss a lasting peace... ah, well, I shouldn't worry; the cleaners will mop up the blood tomorrow morning...
Generic empire
18-02-2005, 01:01
((OOC: I edited my misspelling of your name, Macisikan. I apologize.))
Comdidia
18-02-2005, 01:11
Steven sat there still listening to this speech, and in fact liking this one more then the one from their 'ally' ViZion. He was tempted to send some information back to the government but he would be considerate and wait untill there was time for that, so he wouldn't exactly interupt or annoy anyone. He just watched the expressions on thep eople gathered around trying to get any information out of them that way so he might use some to his advantage. He began forming up how to word his stance exactly without seeming too one sided.
imported_ViZion
18-02-2005, 01:27
Vice President Villian stood up, and returned the piercing glare when The Colonel, who was tossing it around at everyone in the room, put his gaze upon the Vice President. He then put a stoic look on his face, and began to speak:
"Colonel, we are very pleased that you have agreed to our terms, and hope that this will remain in the future. However, I am disgruntled at the fact that you claim we are the ones who want a gelastic notion, such a 'crusade', against you. We have said nothing of the sort, and we do not have such a crazed plan.

We ask you, do not put words in our mouths. Do not say such things when we have not said we wish to commit such an act. We do not wish to 'destroy' you as you so claim. Do not twist this story to try and pin us with this claimed 'crusade'.

We would like to hear what the floor has to say of this."

As he finished, he looked around the room, still wearing the stoic expression on his face, and then sat down.
Turetel
18-02-2005, 02:07
Watson who had been warming and heartfilled at that time stood up and was recoginized by the Baron.

"First I would like to thank the Baron and his kind reception that he has given us and the two thrilling speeches by Generic and ViZion and the very polite staff. Now I would like to propose that we put aside our differences and sign a pact of anti-genocide that is very, very simple. I would like to note that this in no way at all will limit your political control within your own nation unless you are one of the few that believe in the killing of the "senses" or innocent civilians. I would like to bring this article, protocol, accord, or any form of Law that your government finds. I believe that this will end all of our future problems, but why should I keep you waiting.

The Macisikan Conference Accord
To all participating nations, including observers who do not have the "valid" option of speaking, it is requested that you sign this document.

Article I : Under no circumstance should anyone in any signed nation be allowed to execute civilians, military, or foreign people(s) without withstanding and logical reasoning. Killing people as they are a form of "non-radical*" government so that we may do so and wish so that slayings are not provoked through ones believes in politics or civil rights.
*This does not extend towards Radical Communist, or any form of Fascism.
Hippies are NOT a form of government

Article II : All nations that agree to these terms, must be at least one from each party, will also have the task of trying to convince allies that are in fact genocidal in nature to try and turn coat of this habit. If not the said nation can announce to the world to try and help end the innocent expelling of lives.

Article III : A fair trail should be required for all civil cases and Foreign cases handled jointly with the said government. If Diplomacy fails and it is apparent that said Foreign Gov. is uncooperative the said nation can torture, imprison, or kill that person, assuming they have ties to a threat to national security.

Article IV : All of the above rules should be followed, and this one should be upheld in the forefront: The case that all Civilians, even in a Dictorial State, should be allowed at least the right not to be killed without withstanding reason or consent should be allotted under commonsense. Ascension into power can occur through coup's and uprisings, but never should any nation continue to withhold the old regimes conducts for which they rebelled against and that it is a nations duty to protect the lifes of all civilians!

Signatures:


I thank you for your time, and hope you all consider what is at stake for everyone here. Thank you again."
Watson sat down, his face was ice-cold, he held a very high amount of compassion in his voice, and alas, it showed not his facial features. He gazed deftly upon every person, looking, waiting, watching...
Generic empire
18-02-2005, 02:15
Colonel Norovic stood once again.

"On behalf of the Imperial government, I staunchly refuse this document on the grounds that it is limiting in the realm of sovereignty of the national government. The Empire shall continue to do as she sees fit in managing her own internal and military affairs."
Turetel
18-02-2005, 02:17
OOC: You do know by saying that you are formally denouncing the right for Civilians to have life. This only restricts your ability to kill Civilians without due reason, if you want to you could kill a bunch just because you thought they were traitors to your nation.
Ramissle
18-02-2005, 02:18
OOC: I wonder what Doom's going to say about this when he gets back.
Well, you all know my position on this. I have nothing else to say.
Generic empire
18-02-2005, 02:18
OOC: You do know by saying that you are formally denouncing the right for Civilians to have life. This only restricts your ability to kill Civilians without due reason, if you want to you could kill a bunch just because you thought they were traitors to your nation.

((OOC: I'll explain what the Empire considers 'genocide' later.))
imported_ViZion
18-02-2005, 02:20
For the first time since the talks began, Mr. Villian had a smile on his face. Not just a smile, but a grin that seemed to never end. He stood up, straightened his jacket and tie, then spoke:

"Watson, what a brilliant idea. Genocide is what ViZion fights, it is what the CFA fights. We hereby endorse this, and wish to sign upon a formal pact being written up.

We ask that all attending nations sign this in good will to their own citizens, and to peace. Genocide cannot stand. Innocent people should not be killed senselessly.

Thank you."

With that, the Vice President nodded in agreement with Wilson as he still wore his grin. He then sat down, waiting to hear what others had to say.
imported_ViZion
18-02-2005, 02:22
OOC: I wonder what Doom's going to say about this when he gets back.
Well, you all know my position on this. I have nothing else to say.
OOC: Technically, we don't know ICly.. we might think we know, but we don't... I'd suggest your delegate speaks, because if he doesn't, he and your country are basically not giving support to what you believe ICly...
Ramissle
18-02-2005, 02:38
OOC: Oh yeah. Thanks for pointing that out. A bit tired, damn quicksand!
Oh wait, I forgot. Tuterel, as I have reminded many people in the past, that is not the definition of genocide. Genocide is the planned extermination of a people according to creed, race, or political ideals. This, of course, does not extend to traitors. Just thought I'd point that out.
IC:

Randy Reach, now fully approaching soberness and a large hangover, stood up and began to speak.

"Well, seeing as these talks seem to have reached a high point, and that I appear to have gotten an enormous headache, I would like to make my closing statement before I pass out. There will be more once I rise, but until then this is it.
The Incorporation would like to say that although we recognize Generia as a member of the Axis of Evil, we also believe the Generians when they say that they were attempting to stop a major war. We will not invade, or pursue military actions against Doomingsland. However, we WILL continue in our investigation of Doomingsland. For now, we are officially neutral to any situation with Generia. Thank You."
As he said this, his eyes twirled around in his head, and he began to stumble. Finally, he collapesed on the floor. His personal assistent, a very hot blonde, picked him up and helped him to his chair. He then proceded to sleep.
Communist Rule
18-02-2005, 02:40
As Ilyenov received his copy of the proposed treaty, his lips drooped into a frown. While this treaty follows the goal of the alliance that the UCTCR has been excited to be apart of, it limits a government's control of their people. While the UCTCR has had civil peace for years, it recognizes that there are unwanted political elements within its borders. The UCTCR remains staunchly anti-genocide, but cannot endorse this treaty. Ilyenov decided he must take a stand. He pulled his thin frame from the chair and slowly reached up to take off his spectacles and fold them. Gazing around with blinking eyes he began to speak,

"Gentlemen, the pact which has been proposed is indeed a step towards a brighter, happier future and the Generian's refusal to acquiesce is a falter backwards for World Peace. However, the conditions of this pact as it stands refuses the UCTCR certain rights which its founding fathers, myself included, deemed necessary in the event of a political or military uprising. My allies, I understand that the Coalition Forces Alliance is staunchly anti-genocide, but I must refuse my signature at this time."


Ilyenov sat down and sipped from a glass of water the Macisikan hosts had so willingly obliged to provide. Ilyenov nodded to the Foreign Minister beside him. Kozlov stood up with the pact in hand along with his notes.

"The UCTCR suggests a few renditions to the pact which would allow the UCTCR to allow a signatory:

Article I : Under no circumstance should anyone in any signed nation be allowed to execute civilians, military, or foreign people(s) without withstanding and logical reasoning clarified through the laws of the respective nation. Killing people as they are a form of "non-radical*" government so that we may do so and wish so that slayings are not provoked through ones believes in politics or civil rights.
*This does not extend towards Radical Communist, or any form of Fascism.
Hippies are NOT a form of government

Article II : All nations that agree to these terms, must be at least one from each party, will also have the task of trying to convince allies that are in fact genocidal in nature to try and turn coat of this habit. If not the said nation can announce to the world to try and help end the innocent taking and ending of lives.

Article III : A fair trail should be required for all civil cases and Foreign cases handled jointly with the said government. If Diplomacy fails and it is apparent that said Foreign Gov. is uncooperative the said nation can torture, imprison, or kill that person, assuming they have ties to a threat to national security.*
*Except in matters of immediate danger to a signatory nation which would be haltered by pursuing diplomatic means.

Article IV : All of the above rules should be followed, and this one should be upheld in the forefront: The case that all Civilians, even in a Dictorial State, should be allowed at least the right not to be killed without withstanding reason, such as inaccordance to civil or miliaty law, or consent should be allotted under commonsense. Ascension into power can occur through coup's and uprisings in a peaceful manner according to international law, but never should any nation continue to withhold the old regime's conduct for which they rebelled against and that it is a nation's duty to protect the lives of all civilians!"

When Kozlov finished his speech he seated himself, crossed his legs and awaited a response.
Turetel
18-02-2005, 02:57
Watson stood up and smiled kindly, and spoke,"Those all make sense, but if it is up to a nations law then the Article itself fails the purpose to deter a nations ability to kill a civilian(s). In a case where a law states that civilians can be killed senselessly without trial it would destroy the structure of the agreement. It also in no-way restricts the foreseeable rights of a government. It does not restrict what it does, merely how it does it. I do agree with the change of according to International Laws change (last change). The sense of this article could be summed up like this:
A nation can't kill anyone without due reason. The below just gets more specifics. My nation itself will kill Fascist without a due trail that is quick (but rather long) and Terrorist are not giving a very fair trail, but we don't go out and shoot them dead..."

OOC: Please note that, that Article does not hurt ones international laws or national laws, but merely puts in a safeguard so that as to restrict the innocent killing of civilians. ex: Doomingsland kills hippies and liberals for no reason would be avoided under the Article. The article just so happens to restrict the manner and timeliness of how the killing or executions occur.
Ramissle
18-02-2005, 03:02
OOC: Now that you put it that way....
Its fine, but we might want to change it from preventing genocide to preventing um... I can't think of the word. Rights maybe? I don't know, I'm going to bed.
Turetel
18-02-2005, 03:03
OOC: Now that you put it that way....
Its fine, but we might want to change it from preventing genocide to preventing um... I can't think of the word. Rights maybe? I don't know, I'm going to bed.

OOC: lol, alright, let me change it up a bit, or re-write it.
Turetel
18-02-2005, 03:08
After taking another sip of Soda Water, he stood up and spoke of the newly drafted version.

It simply stated this:

--No nation has the right to kill any civilians, military, or foreign people(s) without a simple due right of accusation of a crime and a trail (even if it is only 5 minutes long). This does not deter a nations laws, just simply states that the manner and timeliness in which "these executions" are done.

That is all that is now listed.

OOC: A more indepth one may be written if we can all agree on that one.
imported_ViZion
18-02-2005, 03:25
After taking another sip of Soda Water, he stood up and spoke of the newly drafted version.

It simply stated this:

--No nation has the right to kill any civilians, military, or foreign people(s) without a simple due right of accusation of a crime and a trail (even if it is only 5 minutes long). This does not deter a nations laws, just simply states that the manner and timeliness in which "these executions" are done.

That is all that is now listed.

OOC: A more indepth one may be written if we can all agree on that one.
We agree to this, however we wish to make an amendment into that:
--No nation has the right to kill any civilians, military, or foreign people(s) without a simple due right of accusation of a crime and a trail, except in self defense of the nation and its puples. This does not void national laws, just simply states that the manner and timeliness in which "these executions" are done.
Wirraway
18-02-2005, 03:27
Not being directly linked to the proceedings Chester thought it inappropriate to state his full views on the matter but instead condensed his thoughts into a single sentence which would be the Concordiat's position throughout the rest of the proceedings.

He gave a dry cough and rose briefly

The Concordiat concurs with the opinion of the Generian delegate. Words cannot be viewed as actions and as of yet the Generic Empire has yet to make any hostile actions against Vizion or its allies. To restrict the activities of the Generian government and her allies on the basis of an intercepted transmission alone is absurd. Anyway you cannot dictate the foriegn policy of another soveriegn nation state with or without evidence to shore up your position. As of now we oppose any proposal that would limit the action of the Generic Empire.

He sat once again, pulled out his notepad and waited for any responses.
Communist Rule
18-02-2005, 03:34
We agree to this, however we wish to make an amendment into that:
--No nation has the right to kill any civilians, military, or foreign people(s) without a simple due right of accusation of a crime and a trail, except in self defense of the nation and its puples. This does not void national laws, just simply states that the manner and timeliness in which "these executions" are done.

OOC: No time to make an IC post, so my suggestion is you change it to say "except in self defense of the nation and its puples in which a clear threat is IMMEDIATE and DEADLY to your people."

That would avoid someone claiming that, say, Jews were going to ruin the country and using that little loophole.
Turetel
18-02-2005, 03:44
Amended and brought forth by the ViZion Delegate:

--No nation has the right to kill any civilians, military, or foreign people(s) without a simple due right of accusation of a crime and a trail, except in self defense of the nation and its puples in which a clear threat is IMMEDIATE and DEADLY to your people. This does not void national laws, just simply states that the manner and timeliness in which "these executions" are done.

OOC: ALL nations will follow this if they sign it.
Comdidia
18-02-2005, 03:45
Steven rose slowly to speak his point before they got extremely off base of where he wanted to make his own.
"Getting back to this blame game so to speak of. And in fairness to the other side. We would like to state that it is true that ViZion and Alliens did begin the escalation of this conflict by the massive mobilizations." He took a deep breath before continuing to give a little glance over to see how the ViZion and other allied delegates would respond to this statement.

"Be a sort of decieving and fear palying to talk us all into a massive mobilization because the Generian's would in fact begin a complete destruction of us.. And though we have recalled all forces after examining this statement because it didn't seem an actual threat to our security. The damage unfortunetly had already been done and soon The other side was mobilizing in response, which did escalate and help provide more fear to support the ViZion announcement of their invasion." He took a seat then waiting for a response from either side, which he expected to be very hot. And while waiting he sent one message back to his government asking permission to reveal a few more secretive things...
imported_ViZion
18-02-2005, 04:06
Though the Vice President was rather displeased at Steven's statement, he remained calm. He stood up and addressed the floor.
"As an ally, we respect your opinion. Our mobilization may have heightened this issue to some degree, however, it was only after finding that some nations were rallying to Generia's side. Once that happened, a nation must look at the situation as hand, assess the situation, and decide how to assure that its people are safe. Mobilization was the clear-cut answer. We mobilize to defend our nation and our people, and we feel many nations who have done the same had they had the same information we had, and were in the situation we were in.

Defence of your nation and its citizens is the top priority of every leader. We would have been irresponsible not to mobilize in the face of a possible large-scale invasion. Being that the threat had also included our allies, we were required to alert our allies of the situation. Many nations mobilized, seeing there was an obvious threat. We were acting as any responsible government would have: mobilized to defend our citizens in the face of a possible large-scale invasion."
With that, he made eye contact with each and every delegate in the room, with an extended look into the eyes of Generia's delegates and Comdidia's delegates. He then sat down.
Macisikan
18-02-2005, 04:21
The Baron read the amended version of the treaty handed to him by a protocol officer, then put it down, his face a mask.

"I thank the delegate from Comdidia for bringing us back to the point. This treaty is, for the moment, beside the objective and point of this conference. Our primary aim is to secure a lasting peace, be it via a non-aggression pact, or other means, between ViZion and Generia and their respective allies. The matter of this treaty can wait until that has been secured."

The Baron didn't say what he was thinking; namely, that the Parliment's reaction, once they had stopped laughing, would be something along the lines of "you can have this treaty over our cold dead bodies". They generally did that; firm commitments from the Empire, to anything outside of neutrality, weren't so much frowned upon as used for toilet paper. If they truly wished it to be signed, ratified and royally agreed to, it would take years, if not decades of painful negotiations, to be hammered out.
Turetel
18-02-2005, 04:50
This treaty would target the reason this all got started, through acts of civilian killings, no peace can be made from a Turetelian stand-point until, and truly until, the main cause has been secured down!

"I have noticed the Baron's cool response, and I must disagree with what I can only invision him thinking. Lasting peace as some would call it is unattainable unless the root causes are attacked, most notably that of the genocidal actions of Doomingsland which brough Ramissle onto his feet, which in turn started this whole chain of events, and if you notice, the reason that he was willing to attack was genocide.

People of this conference, I feel at this point that any headway that could even be made must be made at the root issues. What some call peace what just be getting a ceasefire or a contract signed, but nay, that would only give way toward a temporary fix. Yes, it would take months to years to make a real treaty, but this treaty is a good quick fix and building ground. I believe I have made my point easily, how can one talk of being a peacekeeper if one is blind to the root causes!"

With that Watson sat down. His blood was boiling, but he had remained cool, not yelling or screaming. He knew that his training in the SOT, 74th Infantry, 1st Dip. Corp. and the Midwest Balkan Armed Forces were probably the only reason he had ever even considered coming to these meetings. He looked blindly at the Baron, and at each and every delegate, slowly, and in a very cool manner.

OOC: Please note that the Amended Treaty should only be signed by nations that are involved within the conflict, not those hosting the peace conference or overseeing (unless they do so feel to do so).
Generic empire
18-02-2005, 05:31
The Colonel, who had seemed rather disengaged for the last several minutes, spoke once again, this time remaining seated.

"I would like to first remind the Vice President that the ViZionarian mobilization began long before the Empire had rallied any form of support. Secondly, I will at this time state that I find the revised anti-genocide pact to be satisfactory, and will give the Imperial government's approval and ratification on the part of Generia."
Macisikan
18-02-2005, 06:29
The Baron sighed at Watson's remarks. He knew full well what the other meant, but he also knew that all the Opposition would have to do is wave the flag and that would be all she wrote.

The look he gave the other was tired; it simply said that he had been through more failed peace conferences than the other had had hot dinners, and knew exactly why they failed.

"Mr. Watson, prior to making such treaties to attack the root causes, as you put it, I feel that it is first necessary to get ViZion and Generia to stop pointing guns at each other. A fine treaty this will be if the very people it is written by end up as a bunch of nuclear cinders!"

The Baron's tone wasn't angry; just very, very weary.

The gaze he turned on the Generian Colonel was equally tired.
"Like most others here colonel, I'm glad to hear of your support for the lasting treaty, but first can we get both yourselves and ViZion-" here a glance was shot at the vice-president, "- to please demobilise? I think we will all have much better attitudes to this whole mattter if the military situation out there is more relaxed."

OOC: Gotcha Turetel.
imported_ViZion
18-02-2005, 06:53
Mr. Villian stood up and faced the Baron, "Seeing as that both parties have agreed to our terms, I would like to have a line set up so I may speak to Mr. Maybury... alone please. Is there a room I may go to to do this?" he asked the Baron.
Macisikan
18-02-2005, 07:02
The Baron pointed towards the door.
"The old deputy governor's office. Fifth on your left."

Agreement? Hah! The Baron thought derisively. They actually haven't committed to anything binding... good grief people, didn't you ever learn anything at the used car lots? Always, always, always, get it in writing...
But not one of these thoughts showed in his face. More emotion could be read in the stonework behind him.
imported_ViZion
18-02-2005, 07:09
"Thank you." the Vice President said, then walked out to make the call.

OOC: lol, I see I fooled you... I was not planning on asking to demobilize yet, but rather to discuss this with Mr. Maybury... and I'm a little busy atm, so I'm not gonna type up the convo, though I might add it in later on...
Turetel
18-02-2005, 22:52
Watson opened up another Soda Water and at the end of the day he would ask that they all sign it, the document, legally binding it to them. He knew that they still had a long way to go, but was sure that they could get this all resolved.

OOC: Does anyone know when Doomingsland is coming back on?
Doomingsland
22-02-2005, 01:49
OOC:Errr, someone sum it all up for me.
Ramissle
22-02-2005, 02:05
OOC:
Lets see, um.
ViZion said that GE said something about invading, and making GE sign a non aggresion pact, then GE said something about trying to avoid war with it (and I think he signed it), and then Tuterel made a treaty thing that would effectivly end genocide with all signing nations.
I thought there would be something relevent here. I guess not. Oh well. Sorry about that.
Like I said before, I wasn't paying too much attention.
Macisikan
22-02-2005, 02:29
OOC:
ViZion said that GE said something about invading, and making GE sign a non aggresion pact, then GE said something about trying to avoid war with it (and I think he signed it)

OOC:
GE agreed in principle; he hasn't acutally committed to anything yet. ViZion and GE are still pointing guns at eachother, and ViZion's VP has buggered off (for a minute or two) to go and talk to his president.
Ramissle
22-02-2005, 02:35
OOC:
Oh. Ok. Really, I wasn't paying much attention at all.